Talk:Giselle (Enchanted)

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On 19 May 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Giselle (Disney) to Giselle (Enchanted). The result of the discussion was moved.

Untitled

If anyone would would like to put information on this page please do. as i dont really know what to put

Merge?

Should this page be merged with the main movie article? It's only a character from a single movie. And the information seems to be more plot from the film than any kind of biography. Any information on this character could go on the film's page until there is something to expand upon the character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.212.108.241 (talk) 20:21, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Giselle is (Practically) a Disney Princess

Giselle is not officially a Disney Princess, but interest in her and the movie Enchanted puts her up there with Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty, who - along with all the other princesses - have their own pages. Merging it with the movie page will only make the movie page more cluttered and confusing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.62.217 (talk) 02:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

She is not a Disney Princess. She has no notability outside of the film at this time. As such, she does not meet the WP:FICTION requirements for having her own article. The movie page needs clean up, but that's no reason not to remove this unnecessary article. AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:27, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at the page now! I moved pertinant information from the movie page to Giselle's page. Amy Adams has received many nominations for her role in this movie and I think Giselle really will become a part of Disney legacy.

Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and we don't try to guess whether someone will be notable or not. They either are notable now or they not. Giselle is not. If she becomes part of the legacy and there are reliable, real-world verifiable sources to support her being notable, then she would pass the WP:FICTION requirement for having her own article. Right now, she does not. Nothing add fixes that issue, and the few notable bits make the movie notable, not the character. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:29, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

Just to support previous arguments and suggestions to merge the page. Her plot appearances and Disney Princess status are already covered in that article. Notability has not been established. --LoЯd ۞pεth 01:55, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Giselle (Disney)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Changedforbetter (talk · contribs) 19:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Adri-at-BYU (talk · contribs) 17:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I'll begin working on this review later today, please let me know if any notes or questions come up!! Adri-at-BYU (talk) 17:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Adri-at-BYU Thanks for your comments! All of your points below have been addressed for now. Will await further comments/instruction. Changedforbetter (talk) 15:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Changedforbetter: Thank you for your work again! I added a few responses and there's just one more thing left under 3a. Adri-at-BYU (talk) 17:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Adri-at-BYUThank you, 3a has been addressed. Changedforbetter (talk) 18:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Changedforbetter: All good! I'll go pass it off now :)

@Adri-at-BYU Thanks so much! :)--Changedforbetter (talk) 20:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review

1. Well-written

a. Y(addressed)Clear and concise prose

in the "role" section for Disenchanted, try to edit so it doesn't have "idyllic" twice in one sentence

Revised.--Changedforbetter (talk) 14:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

clarify that it's Robert's bachelor party

Oppose: unfortunately the source doesn't specify whose bachelor party Giselle was hired to perform at. Although it completely makes sense for it to have been Robert's bachelor party due to the fact that he is the male lead/romantic interest, this would almost entirely be inference, since this plot point is from an old version of the script that never materialized; Robert could very easily have been just a guest attending someone else's party, which he canceled due to their treatment of Giselle. The only details we no for certain in this context are that Robert canceled the party in order to save Giselle.--Changedforbetter (talk) 14:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I saw it in this one https://web.archive.org/web/20230609192446/https://animatedviews.com/2008/enchanted-interviews-chapter-two-doug-short/ but now I see it's not clear whether the bachelor party was Robert's or his friend's. Thanks for checking that and sorry for the misunderstanding! Adri-at-BYU (talk) 17:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

consider removing quotes from "Prince Charming" character in the Creation section

Revised.--Changedforbetter (talk) 15:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

b. Y MoS compliance

2. Verifiable with no original research

a. Y(addressed) List of references

Citation 26 is linked to a different source than it says. I think this is what it's supposed to link to https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/enchanted-at-10-revisiting-the-film-with-director-kevin-lima/

Apologies, fixed.--Changedforbetter (talk) 14:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

b. Y Sources cited inline

c. Y No original research

d. Y No copyright violations or plagiarism

3. Broad in its coverage

a. Y(addressed) Addresses main aspects of the topic

Consider: Balance Enchanted and Disenchanted more in the Role section. Enchanted is obviously more notable but either add a little more detail to Disenchanted or remove some from Enchanted in this section. (found some quick things that talk about her character in the sequel https://variety.com/2022/film/reviews/disenchanted-review-amy-adams-maya-rudolph-patrick-dempsey-1235436368/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2022/11/18/disenchanted-review-be-careful-what-you-wish-for-in-a-sequel/?sh=7bfff1c96b88

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/nov/18/disenchanted-review-amy-adams-returns-sequel

Expanded.--Changedforbetter (talk) 14:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great! I can tick this one off if you just clarify which sources the new material came from in the paragraph. Adri-at-BYU (talk) 17:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I used the Guardian and Variety sources.--Changedforbetter (talk) 18:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Consider changing Role section to "Appearances" like in Cinderella (Disney character) and Moana (character)

I'd like to refrain from doing an "Appearances" section, because unlike most Disney characters, Giselle has very few appearances outside of her two feature-length films; I've mentioned what few appearances in other media there are in the "Legacy" section. I've also always felt it made more sense to summarize the character's role in their main media before delving into all the development details about how such media was created, similar to how film articles summarize the plot before detailing production. If the character had more appearances outside of the two Enchanted films, I would create an "Appearances in other media" section.--Changedforbetter (talk) 15:00, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer consistency but I don't see a rule about how to title sections on character pages so I'm fine with leaving it. Adri-at-BYU (talk) 17:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

b. Y Focused on topic without unnecessary detail. The article is very detailed, but there are also many sources giving this information, so it seems fitting.

4. Neutral

Y Gives due weight to viewpoints presented about the character.

Thank you.--Changedforbetter (talk) 15:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

5. Stable

Y Not under any edit wars or dispute (not counting title change discussion because it won't affect the content of the article)

Thank you.--Changedforbetter (talk) 15:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

6. Illustrated by media

a. Y Pictures have relevant captions and copyright info

b. Y (addressed) The picture of Reese Witherspoon is not majorly relevant, maybe use another picture of Adams? There are a lot on Wikimedia Commons

I agree, but I didn't want to add another image of Amy Adams because she is already shown in the Infobox for the character image, since it is a live-action character. I figured if another image were to be included in the article, it would be another actor who was considered for the role of Giselle before Adams was cast.--Changedforbetter (talk) 15:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found another page with actors considered for the role so I'm fine leaving this. Adri-at-BYU (talk) 17:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Changedforbetter: I'm putting this on hold until you get a minute to look over the review, but it looks really good! Please let me know if you have any questions about my comments!

Requested move 19 May 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Giselle (Disney) → Giselle (Enchanted) – Source work in parentheses, as is usual in other articles. BrookTheHumming (talk) 23:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in the midst of reviewing this article for GA status, if the decision is made to change the title, can it wait until the review is over for sake of the template? That would hopefully be by the end of this week so it shouldn't hold anything up much :) Adri-at-BYU (talk) 15:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Adri-at-BYU I agree; this is why I haven't contributed my opinion yet. Changedforbetter (talk) 16:41, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, to follow the current format of naming other Disney character articles.--Changedforbetter (talk) 16:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.