Wikidata:Requests for comment/P518 scope

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The scope of applies to part (P518) must be resolved. For years, the property's descriptions have been a mix, with some languages limiting its values to "parts", and others (notably English and Spanish) accepting any "part, form, or aspect". As such, many thousands of statements use the qualifier to express a form or aspect, not a part, of the subject item (or in some cases, of the statement value). When I have tried to make the labels reflect this, it has been rejected. Conversely, when I suggested spinning these uses off to a new property or properties, that too did not garner support. But clearly, one or the other must happen, yes? Either these uses (examples in the preceding link; I don't have a good query for them) are in scope, or they are not. If they are, then all the property's labels and descriptions must reflect that. If they are not, then another property or properties must be identified (probably created) to take the out-of-scope uses. I personally do not have the bandwidth to head up the latter approach, so if that is what must be done, I beg someone else to step up.

For the purposes of gauging sentiment, let's say:

  •  Support means harmonize applies to part (P518) on the wider scope;
  •  Oppose means spin off either "form", "aspect", or both uses to some other property(s);
  •  Neutral means satisfaction with the current situation.

(The choice of which option to call "support" and which to call "oppose" does not necessarily reflect my own position; my only position here is that the current situation is untenable. I will say, though, that if you support new property(s), I hope you will commit some of your time to that work [both proposing and migrating].)

Thank you, Swpb (talk) 14:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More info

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Maybe a query to add information for the usecases :

  • 30 000 statements with this qualifier, the main property and its values. A first look : 2 main usecases, with airports and number of passengers for destination, road length like road III/11111 (Q116899903)  View with Reasonator View with SQID, where the qualifier is used to note the length of some part othe length. Maybe a qualifier "applies in location" would be clearer in some cases, a location is not really a part of the subject item. Books also, where it is used to note the title of some edition in a country, maybe best put in the edition item. We also have Q126290042 where it seems redundant as we already have a location in the value item … a lot to discuss it seems to me. Sorry for expanding the topic but I was not sure of what we are talking about
    Also some weird stuffs, like in Earth phase (Q65015451) the "earth phases", periods of time when the earth is fully, half or whatever viewed from the moon, probably a go to way because it's hard to model, there are no real subclasses or earth it's a physical object.
    Parts of books, an author contributed to part of a book on a certain topic : Tsen-Hwang Shaw (Q21388761) maybe a "topic" qualifier should be better in such a case, the actual part is something like a chapter.
    Archives are also a usecase : Bulkington Manor (Q105775152) which kind of stuffs are archived where. author  TomT0m / talk page 15:38, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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