Wikidata:Property proposal/maPZS trails/locations ID

maPZS trails/locations ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Place

Done: maPZS trails/locations ID (P10592) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifiers with map points for trails and locations in the Slovenia mountains
Represents	Alpine Association of Slovenia (Q1577068)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	mountain trail (Q913398), mountain pasture (Q12798874), mountain pass (Q133056), mountain (Q8502), mountain hut (Q182676)
Example 1	Planina v Lazu (Q12798871) → poi/4694
Example 2	Lodge under Bogatin (Q12794212) → poi/892
Example 3	Via Alpina Red (Q106171807) → path/56343
Example 4	Porezen (Q1749434) → poi/5098
Source	https://mapzs.pzs.si/
Planned use	I will add IDs to entities of Slovenian mountain pastures. Latter I will start to work on Slovenian mountains.
Number of IDs in source	Probably a few thousands.
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://mapzs.pzs.si/$1
Country	Slovenia (Q215)

Motivation

This is one of the more complete database with trails and many other locations or objects in Slovenian mountains. It include also saddles, pastures, peaks, etc. The organization behind the project is Association of Slovenian Alpine Clubs, so basically the biggest corporate body possible (which facilitates long-term availability). Miha Peče (talk) 18:25, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Comment. There should probably be two property proposals that would separate points of interest and paths, so that the remaining identifiers could be entirely numerical. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:37, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I thought about this, yes. It would be better modelled in that way, but maybe at the same time there would be more mistakes by casual users. Miha Peče (talk) 19:25, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  Don't think "new" users will have problems, because there is only a small portion active on WD that is also active on slwiki. And these, who are active, are experienced editors and don't mix things up so common. A09090091 (talk) 21:28, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see that Encyclopædia Britannica Online ID has also compounded ID: term (concept) and number. But it's rare example, and on the other side you have examples of separate properties from the same authority/web site. I'm OK with two properties if everybody agree, only if somebody can give me some instructions, how should I proceed. Miha Peče (talk) 14:32, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Miha Peče: Does this identificator have different/unique IDs? If not, it may not be clear to which prefix number goes. There may be cases with poi/1 and path/1 and therefore I am against creation of two properties, because names of Ps may not be so different. A09090091 (talk) 09:54, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that IDs (numbers) are unique, so you can't find the path and point with the same number. I'm guessing that their logic is just incrementing numbers when adding new geogracphic feature. But I think that it's still confusing –if that is your main criteria–, it's more transparent if path and point are included. Only then ID looks more like URL. --Miha Peče (talk) 5:50, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
@User:Miha Peče Sorry for not seeing the answer. If you are worried about the looks of ID, let me tell you that P9163 (Obrazi slovenskih pokrajin ID) has IDs in form of string: Marco Petronio Caldana (Q104523385) → petronio-caldana-marco. I think it is important to keep ID looks unique and not as much of vorying about data type (in this case, string or an int). --A09090091 (talk) 14:34, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support, an important property for Slovenia.--Arbnos (talk) 17:11, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Support after splitting prop Germartin1 (talk) 23:24, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose please split the props Nepalicoi (talk) 08:29, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]