Wikidata:Property proposal/Kanobu numeric ID

Kanobu numeric ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

   Done: Kanobu numeric game ID (P10398) (Talk and documentation)

Description	numeric identifier of a video game in the Kanobu database
Represents	Kanobu (Q4042056)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	video game (Q7889)
Allowed values	^[1-9]\d*$
Example 1	The Last of Us (Q1986744) → 11579
Example 2	God of War Ragnarök (Q99397916) → 59970
Example 3	Alan Wake II (Q108417001) → 53282
Example 4	Senua's Saga: Hellblade II (Q78418853) → 58870
Example 5	Cuphead (Q18149495) → 13516
Source	https://kanobu.ru/games
Planned use	It's planned to be used as a qualifier for the main property.
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Robot and gadget jobs	Yes. Here it will be necessary to use a bot to try to scrape the data through the API (https://kanobu.ru/api/) if it possible.
See also	Igromania ID (P6827), VK Play ID (P9697), P8279 (P8279)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Kanobu (Q4042056)
Single-value constraint	Yes
Distinct-values constraint	Yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Video games (Q8485882)

Motivation

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Notified participants of WikiProject Video games

As I mentioned earlier in another proposal here, this should be a complementary property used as qualifier for the main property. Just like in the case of IGDB, the property would be used to keep track of games in case Kanobu (Q4042056) removes URL slugs in the future. Numeric identifier can be found by the string "game":{"id": or "element":{"id": using Ctrl+U on the game's page.

Example 1: The Last of Us (Q1986744)

Kanobu game ID	the-last-of-us edit Kanobu numeric ID 11579 0 references add reference
		add value

Example 2: God of War Ragnarök (Q99397916)

Kanobu game ID	god-war-2-ragnarok edit Kanobu numeric ID 59970 0 references add reference
		add value

Example 3: Alan Wake II (Q108417001)

Kanobu game ID	alan-wake-2 edit Kanobu numeric ID 53282 0 references add reference
		add value

Example 4: Senua's Saga: Hellblade II (Q78418853)

Kanobu game ID	senuas-saga-hellblade-2 edit Kanobu numeric ID 58870 0 references add reference
		add value

Example 5: Cuphead (Q18149495)

Kanobu game ID	cuphead edit Kanobu numeric ID 13516 0 references add reference
		add value

Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 13:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Discussion

Pinging also

MasterRus21thCentury (talk) Infovarius (talk) MaksOttoVonStirlitz (talk) evs (talk) putnik (talk) Niklitov (talk) Redboston (talk) Arbnos (talk) Erokhin (talk) Андрей Романенко (talk) AndyVolykhov (talk) Vladimir Solovjev (talk) Brateevsky (talk) Podbrushkin (talk)

Notified participants of WikiProject Russia. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 14:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

•  Support AntisocialRyan (Talk) 14:03, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
•  Support — MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 15:38, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
•  Oppose there is already an identifier for the topic in the db. --- Jura 11:03, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
  • I don't quite understand what did you mean. Can you explain? Redboston (talk) 15:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinion Jura! I will try to give a clear example of how this property should be used. Let's assume that one day Kanobu will update the database and subsequently switch to numeric identifiers. So, how can this property be useful?

Well, to begin with, thanks to this property, we will be able to track down the numeric identifiers that are contained in the database (see the instructions above on how to find them). They will come in handy as soon as the Kanobu database stops using URL slugs, which as we know are unstable and can be changed and subsequently broken at any time.

Using a SPARQL query service, we can easily detect numeric IDs and, thanks to Quickstatements, run a batch that will replace URL slugs with them. I hope I have better explained what this property is for and how it will be used. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 13:26, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Example of such a query for Internet Game Database numeric game ID (P9043):

SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?IGDB_numeric_game_ID WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q7889.
  ?item p:P5794 ?statement.
  OPTIONAL { ?statement pq:P9043 ?IGDB_numeric_game_ID. }
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}

Try it!

Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 02:57, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

•  Support Sounds reasonable ; as said there’s precedent with at least Internet Game Database numeric game ID (P9043). Jean-Fred (talk) 20:24, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
• Why do we not just use the numerical value on the other property instead? @Kirilloparma:--Trade (talk) 01:13, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Trade: The main property cannot be used as numeric ID, see the reason. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 01:41, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Are the numeral values usable at this time? @Kirilloparma: --Trade (talk) 01:49, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Trade: Yes, as a separate qualifier property (see the full discussion above). Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 02:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kirilloparma, Jean-Frédéric: Done--Trade (talk) 18:50, 1 March 2022 (UTC)