Wikidata:Property proposal/GND-BEACON-URL

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BEACON file URL

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DescriptionURL of an online service's BEACON file
RepresentsBEACON (Q15087707)
Data typeURL
Example 1archINFORM (Q265049)https://www.archinform.net/service/beacon.txt
Example 2Image Archive of ETH Library (Q40236085)https://www.e-pics.ethz.ch/index/BEACON/epics_ba_beacon_gnd.txt
Example 3Vienna History Wiki (Q18029622)[https://www.geschichtewiki.wien.gv.at/index.php?title=Wien_Geschichte_Wiki/BEACON/Personen-Statisch&action=render]
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
See alsoGND ID (P227)
Wikidata projectWikiProject Authority control (Q88300058) WikiProject Germany (Q6871603)

Motivation

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The GND operator, the German National Library (DNB), is currently working on expanding the GND for use by many more GLAM, research and other institutions beyond libraries alone. BEACON (docs) is a simple file format that online services can use to indicate which GND entries they contain information about (more info). Beacon aggregators use it to significantly accelerate research on objects with GND entries. Currently, a list of BEACON files exists on Wikipedia:BEACON (german), but it isn’t always up to date and could, in my opinion, be better managed through Wikidata. This change would increase the visibility of these files, support the DNB’s efforts and help beacon aggregator services automatically update their datasets. – Printstream (talk) 12:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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 Support interesting and probably quite useful. Awinkler3 (talk) 18:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Questions (a) Is is expected that there's a 1:1 relationship between websites holding GND-related info and BEACON files? (b) Is there any reason why a BEACON file has a be generated by and hosted by the party hosting the website? (c) Could a BEACON file relate to a random set of third party websites or is it expected that one side of the relation all be from a single domain? (d) Is there a mine-type submission in process for this? Stuartyeates (talk) 23:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • (a) That’s up to the website operator. While most combine all their services into one file, some choose to separate different databases and provide multiple files. I made the description clearer. (b) No, although I’d prefer having the site operator provide the file especially for reliability reasons. However, Wikipedia:BEACON differentiates between "direct/official" files from site operators and "external" files provided by third parties. Both could likely be used if specified with a qualifier. (c) Technically possible, though not the intended approach (as far as I know). (d) Docs recommend text/plain. – Printstream (talk) 11:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      it is not "up to the website operator", anyone with the technical means can generate a beacon file, no need for any "website operator" to get involved. PropertyScientist (talk) 18:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have submitted BEACON to PRONOM (Q7120402). Stuartyeates (talk) 21:25, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Support In fact seems better than the Wikipedia list. @Arch2all, Wurgl: What do you think? --Kolja21 (talk) 07:14, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Emu: Wien Geschichte Wiki meldet: "Dienst nicht verfügbar." Ein temporärer Ausfall? --Kolja21 (talk) 07:19, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kolja21 Sieht so aus, das gesamte Wien Geschichte Wiki dürfte gerade nicht verfügbar sein. Der Betreiber ist die öffentliche Hand, ich würde (deshalb oder trotzdem) davon ausgehen, dass bereits an der Behebung gearbeitet wird. --Emu (talk) 12:28, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The wikipedia list is on my watchlist and every change causes a change in the tool persondata (see, https://persondata.toolforge.org/statistik/beacon.php for "active" BEACON-files) it causes also a test-run of the import because of a lot of problems (character set, some are bzipped or otherwise compressed, even the simple format is not correct).
However, I do not understand what this property should show? Does it mean "Object is referenced in BEACON-File"? But this information is different to the current wikipedia-list which says "there is a beacon list"? --Wurgl (talk) 08:45, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I understand, the property should not used for every object that is referenced in a certain BEACON file. It should be used for the whole repository, that provides the data. For example archINFORM (Q265049) will be enriched with this property with value "https://www.archinform.net/service/beacon.txt". --Arch2all (talk) 10:16, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then it is useless, because one would simply use "URL (P2699)". PropertyScientist (talk) 18:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, P2699 would be in this case https://www.archinform.net (the URL of the homepage). BEACON is a service and has a own URL. Arch2all (talk) 09:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Support Indeed much better than the actual Wikipedia list! Maybe the new property should be even more generalized as XXX-BEACON-URL, because BEACON used with other authorithies too (for example wikidata: https://www.archinform.net/service/beacon-q.txt ). A relation to BEACON (Q15087707) should be included into the proposal, too. --Arch2all (talk) 08:35, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely! Is there a suitable property that could be used as a qualifier to specify the affected ID? – Printstream (talk) 13:18, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps relative to (P2210). Take a look at Property:P642#P1659 for the alternatives: used by (P1535) etc. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:03, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Important qualifiers:

  1. Specifying who provides the file: either use something like sourcing circumstances (P1480) with values such as official (Q29509043) or unofficial (Q29509080). Another possibility could be operator (P137) linking to the person or organization or other values like third-party source (Q7784745) or unknown (Q24238356).
  2. Specifying which identifier the file is based on: relative to (P2210) with the corresponding identifier, typically GND ID (Q54506313), VIAF ID (Q19832964) or Wikidata Q identifier (Q43649390). – Printstream (talk) 16:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Oppose if you want to describe a resource then create an item for it and use "URL (P2699)" (description: location of a resource). @Pigsonthewing, Lewis Hulbert: PropertyScientist (talk) 18:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment Same sock puppet as User:Irina Nikolaevna Chandler? --Kolja21 (talk) 22:11, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a substantive statement. 213.195.163.61 12:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]