Property talk:P9533

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audio transcription
transcription of the word/text being spoken in this file

Represents	audio transcription (Q113899068)
Data type	Monolingual text
Usage notes	only for short transcriptions that fit the monolingual text, for longer ones use Timed Text
Commons example	→ Katze → chat → kat
See also	IPA transcription (P898), media legend (P2096)
Lists	Search Commons for files with property Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Database reports/Constraint violations/P9533 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 90 Main statement 5 5.6% of uses Qualifier 84 93.3% of uses Reference 1 1.1% of uses

[create Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here]

Allowed entity types are Wikibase MediaInfo (Q59712033), Wikibase item (Q29934200), Wikibase form (Q54285143): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P9533#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P9533#Scope, SPARQL

RFC on scope

Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/audio_transcription_(P9533) opened this day. Yug (talk) 21:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

As the person who proposed the property, yes it's intended to include things like signed or whistled languages.

The verb "speak" does not exclude other modalities, see the definitions/examples on wikt:en:speak. In my experience, Deaf people have no problem using the word "speak" to refer to sign language, and the claim that speaking does not include sign language usually comes from non-Deaf people (who, as a group, have a long history of discriminating against Deaf people and treating sign languages as inferior or invalid).

Having "audio" in the property name is more awkward, but over 99% of the files are audio files (I can only find around 3000 sign language videos, whereas Commons has well over 2 million audio files of words) and I can't think of a better label that would not be likely to be misused, so I don't think it would be a good idea (or very useful) to change it. More aliases would make sense though.

I don't think I would include morse code and flags, because those are codes and it seems like it would be more confusing than helpful for the primary aim of this property (which is to store transcriptions of what is being said in files in commons:Category:Pronunciation so that we can fetch examples of how specific words/phrases are said). It's also not obvious what the transcription should even be in those cases (the coded or decoded words?).

- Nikki (talk) 06:55, 29 August 2024 (UTC)