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Article title

Should this article's title be "The WRLDFMS Tony Williams" or "The Wrldfms Tony Williams"? dotXK 01:49, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Doubting that many people would say "the double you are ell dee eff em ess Tony Williams" or similar, I'd forgo full capitalization. -- Hoary (talk) 05:31, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

See WP:ARTICLETITLE -- probably the best criterion to use is what reliable sources use. If reliable sources (news, books, etc.) use WRLDFMS, use that. Otherwise, use Wrldfms. Mrfoogles (talk) 03:53, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

AI-generated article

What do I do if I see an article that might have been generated by artificial intelligence?GenericUser24 (talk) 02:52, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@GenericUser24 If you suspect an article to be made by AI, you can request an administrator to revision delete the edit (if it is entirely copied from somewhere)and also warn the creator of the page so that they don't repeat it. Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 03:37, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Or if it is page, you can ask for it to be deleted. Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 03:38, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

There was also this discussion on simple. If you want, you can take a look. Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 08:56, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

simplewiki is governed by different guidelines and consensuses (conensusi? consensusen?) than enwiki, is it not? Cremastra (talk) 21:07, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

I am just saying, if you want you can read it.--Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ouch} 22:16, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

"consensus" or "consensuses" consarn _{(prison phone) (crime record)} 20:40, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@GenericUser24 It's complicated. If you could link to the page or send us its name it would be much more helpful. We would start with seeing if the page fits into any of the speedy deletion criteria. If it is completely hallucinated for example, we could WP:G3 it. If not, I would check if the sourcing is correct or not. Its always good to tag {{AI-generated}} if you're not sure. Justiyaya 03:55, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

The article is Free play. I don't think it meets any speedy deletion criteria. so I added the tag. Looking at the sources, they partially (but not completely) support the text of the article. GenericUser24 (talk) 12:37, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

You may also want to mention it on Talk:Free play/GA1#GA Review. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 20:13, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

app.gptzero.me says 99% AI generated. Theroadislong (talk) 20:36, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Follow up question: Can the article creator remove the tag? GenericUser24 (talk) 02:46, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

If this was improper, I will replace this tag if anyone requests. But, as I have explained on the talk, I wrote the article myself so adding a tag saying it was AI generated and needed cleanup seemed incorrect. As I also explained, when you click on the links for most of the papers, you will only see a free preview (which may be why the sources... partially (but not completely) support the text when you click on it), you need to use WP:TWL to access the full versions which normally require payment to access, which I made sure support all claims when I was writing it. I will work on migrating all references to use {{sfn}} (which I did not know about at the time of writing the article), like in my other article Abditibacterium which make it easier to see specifically which page of the full PDF version accessible via TWL that each claim comes from. Thank you for trying to help with this and for your feedback! :) MolecularPilot^Talk 06:38, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Only the fourth and sixth source are partial versions. GenericUser24 (talk) 11:37, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

I think this one probably wasn't AI-generated, but linking WP:WikiProject AI Cleanup, which is centered around exactly this kind of work. Mrfoogles (talk) 05:52, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

User operates an AI bot. See Talk. Mathglot (talk) 16:26, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I operate a DeBERTa based bot to classify Wikipedia usernames if they violate the policy that received WP:VPT consensus for it (I am still testing it in usersapce before filing BRFA). I'm not sure how this is related to accused article generating - something completely different. MolecularPilot^Talk 21:43, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Peer review of Equality (mathematics)

I put up the article for peer review almost a month ago now, but so far no bites. My goal is to get it to GA, but I'm not sure what else needs to be done... This is my first attempt at a GA, so I don't really know what I'm doing. Any advice would be very helpful. – Farkle Griffen (talk) 17:19, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Both peer reviews and Good Article reviews have highly variable wait times. More technical topics tend to have longer wait times than more generally approachable topics. Similarly, the longer an article is the longer the wait tends to be. This article is both on the more technical side and the long side for waiting for reviews. If you want quicker feedback, I would suggest that you leave a notice on the talkpage of relevant WikiProjects (WT:WPMATH appears to be relatively active). Currently the oldest unreviewed mathematics GA nomination is from September, to give you an idea of likely wait times. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 16:20, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

(It can also help your chances of being reviewed to do your own GA reviews: there is a social component to the GA review process, and people do to some extent favour reviewing articles by people they recognise as doing their bit to contribute to the process.) Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 16:25, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Caeciliusinhorto-public, I'd like to, but since I'm still new to this, I don't wanna accidentally pass an article that has lots of issues I didn't know to check, y'know? I was hoping to get a GA done before I tried to review anything.

Do people usually do GA reviews without having a GA themselves? How big of a deal is it when someone messes up a GA review? – Farkle Griffen (talk) 16:49, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Farkle Griffen: I did 9 or 10 GA reviews before I finally had a GA to my name. My suggestion is to take a look at Wikipedia:Good article mentorship and learn how to do reviews, if you're interested. Cheers! ‍Relativity ⚡️ 00:30, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Is this a good article idea? “The Principle of Collaboration and Cooperation (TPOCo)”

Hi everyone! I’m drafting an article in my sandbox titled The Principle of Collaboration and Cooperation (TPOCo):

It’s an interdisciplinary framework that synthesizes peer-reviewed research from biology, psychology, and systems science. The core idea is that cooperation — across all life forms — is driven by energy capture, coordination, and resource sharing. The article is structured around seven key principles and includes a flowchart visual.

I’ve already shared it with related WikiProjects, but I’d love some broader feedback here.  

• Is this a suitable topic for Wikipedia?  

• Does it appear neutral and encyclopedic?  

• What would you recommend I do next?

Any help or advice is welcome — thank you! Darwipli (talk) 05:25, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Darwipli. Unfortunately, your article doesn't seem too encyclopedic to work as an article (WP:ENCYCLOPEDIA). This page looks more like an essay/research project that would belong somewhere else. I suggest you look at other high quality articles we have (i.e Philosophy, Life, Evolution) and compare. You should be able to see the difference in how you've written your draft and those pages. It'd also be very beneficial to go over a lot of our policies of how our articles should be structured including WP:Manual of Style, WP:Verifiability, WP:Original research, WP:Notability, and WP:What Wikipedia is not.

Based on those resources, determine whether this article would truly work in an encyclopedia or if it'd fit somewhere on your own website or something. Whatever happens though, thank you for contributing to Wikipedia! Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 05:37, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Tarlby, your suggested "somewhere else" may already exist: co-operatio.org. -- Hoary (talk) 07:17, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Darwipli. Synthesis is a form of original research, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. Please read No original research, which is one of three core content policies. Cullen328 (talk) 08:05, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you all very much (@Tarlby, @Hoary, and @Cullen328) for your thoughtful feedback and helpful guidance regarding my draft on "The Principle of Cooperation and Collaboration (TPOCo)." Your suggestions and references to specific Wikipedia guidelines and policies have provided clarity on how best to proceed.

I recognize now that my current content constitutes original research, making it unsuitable for Wikipedia at this stage. As suggested, the detailed documentation currently resides on my website, co-operatio.org, which indeed seems like the appropriate place for it right now.

In response to your helpful feedback, I have reached out to Professor Michael Tomasello, whose work greatly influenced my thinking on cooperation, to seek his collaboration or guidance on publishing a peer-reviewed article. This would help to establish external verification and recognition for the TPOCo framework, potentially making it suitable for Wikipedia inclusion in the future.

I sincerely appreciate your patience, guidance, and clarity. Thanks again for taking the time to help me improve my understanding of Wikipedia's standards and practices.

Warm regards, Peter Darwipli (talk) 08:15, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Good luck to you. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 16:54, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

New user on Wikipedia.

Hello there, I’m TechScience2044. I’m very interested in technology, so I might create articles based on this topic and edit articles related to them. In my opinion, Wikipedia is best used for looking on information and technology where it is accessible to anyone. For templates, anyone except for user rights, can use them for unique purposes. Can you please give me the introduction to Wikipedia and what other info do you must present to me based on newcomer contributions and the impact on encyclopedia works? •TechScience2044 (|send me a note|) 09:45, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello! I've posted a welcome message to your user talk page with some links and tips. Feel free to ask any more questions about Wikipedia on the Teahouse whenever you have! ObserveOwl (talk) 09:56, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Alright, but how do I join wikiprojects? •TechScience2044 (|send me a note|) 16:38, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

You start by finding a project you want to work on. You visit its page. There you'll find things like standards, goals, suggested tasks, active collaborations, etc. (As part of this exploration, you may stumble across some wikiprojects that are either officially or de facto inactive -- the dates of the most recent convos on the project's talk page can be a good indication.)

Some projects have a place for members to formally list themselves; others don't. Either way, joining a project mostly just means starting to work on articles affiliated with that project. The project's talk page is a good place to ask questions specifically about the project's work or about articles in its scope. . -- Avocado (talk) 16:50, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Does it include attribution? •TechScience2044 (|send me a note|) 17:19, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Does what include attribution? I don't understand what you're asking. -- Avocado (talk) 19:55, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

The Wikipedia articles that edited. •TechScience2044 (|send me a note|) 19:56, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, every article (in fact, every editable page on Wikipedia) has a "View History" tab. (On some themes it's just called "History", and on mobile it's at the bottom of the page where it says "Last edited <N> days ago by <name>").

Under the History tab, you'll see a list of all changes ever made to the article, and who made them. You can then review what was added/removed/altered with each change. You may find this guide to page history useful. -- Avocado (talk) 20:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@ObserveOwl Additionally, what is behind wiki-coding? Is editing Wikipedia just like science? •TechScience2044 (|send me a note|) 20:13, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Well, it seems you use the VisualEditor, which is a "what you see is what you get" editor that doesn't require coding for the most part. It is, I would say, a bit like making a Microsoft Word document. If you switch to the source editor, you can see that each article includes associated wikitext. Editing this way is pretty much like coding in a lightweight markup language, similar to HTML but simpler. ObserveOwl (talk) 20:53, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Editing Wikipedia is more like writing, but sometimes it's about science, which is fun. Wikitext is basically just regular writing, but if want to make something bold you write <b>bold</b> and you use == Heading name == to make something be formatted as a heading. If you want to see how people made an article look a certain way, you can open the source editor and see what notation they used (I just use visual editors for editing tables though, because the notation there is complicated). Mrfoogles (talk) 03:57, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

<b>...</b> is HTML, and while it works, it's preferable to use wikitext formatting, which is three single quotes on each side of the bolded text '''like this'''. See MOS:BOLD and WP:HTML. The H:CHEAT page lists many of the commonly used wikitext codes. CodeTalker (talk) 18:28, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@CodeTalker Yep, but how can even templates work? •TechScience2044 (|send me a note|) 19:09, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Templates rely on a feature of the mediawiki software which is explained at Help:Transclusion, which is quite technical and probably not understood by many editors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:05, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Any explanation on how to create templates? •TechScience2044 (|send me a note|) 22:34, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

See Help:Template. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:54, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Read it, but for wiki-coding, what happens if you publish you own words in an document? •TechScience2044 (|send me a note|) 08:52, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

@TechScience2044: I'm not sure what you mean. In Wikipedia, "Template" is a specific software feature. Help:A quick guide to templates is a simpler description. Maybe you have another meaning of the word in mind, or maybe you want to call existing templates and not create new ones. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:22, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

That’s fine. •TechScience2044 (|send me a note|) 01:21, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I mean that what if you published your own words after adding comments or editing an article. •TechScience2044 (|send me a note|) 09:44, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

[Outdenting] Published your own words where? What do you want to happen if you do, and what are you concerned will happen if you do?

We can probably help you better if you give us more context for your questions and describe in more depth what it is you want to do and what it is you want to know. -- Avocado (talk) 12:07, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

a page full of puffery

i found this page that has stuff like "This work was accomplished so successfully that Professor Alexander Dallas Bache, Colonel John Charles Frémont, and Senator Thomas Hart Benton used their influence with Sec. George Bancroft to have him appointed professor of mathematics in the navy." with like zero citations should this be tagged for speedy or could this article be salvaged (with a full rewrite and extensive research)

it looks like something a student would write as an essay on this persons achievements and most defiantly breaks npov so should we mark this for a speedy or try to salvage it Localbluepikmin (talk) 12:42, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

It doesn't have "like zero citations", it's cited to Appleton’s Cyclopedia vol.3 p. 292. And appears to be a copy of the text there. So it needs proper attribution, and it certainly needs editing for tone. Not eligible for speedy. Just needs editors to edit it. DuncanHill (talk) 12:50, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Localbluepikmin there are no inline citations, but Wikipedia counts a bibliography at the end (i.e., the mention of the Cyclopedia) as a citation. Therefore it can't be deleted under the WP:BLPPROD policy, which would be what would apply (not speedy deletion in this case). I went in and tried to verify that it was a copy of the Cyclopedia text, in which case I would have just put an inline citation to that on every paragraph, but I couldn't find his entry so I didn't. That might help. A rewrite might be necessary for tone -- research, probably not that much, luckily enough. Mrfoogles (talk) 04:11, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

To be honest this sort of article really annoys me. We're supposed to be an encyclopedia, summarising multiple reliable sources with balance, not just a mirror site regurgitating anything that happens to be in the public domain, word-for-word, with a lazy "incorporates text" template. We may as well rebrand ourselves WikiRegurgitation if we're going to do that. At the very least, our readers deserve to know exactly what text is merely a mirror. The current reference is in many ways worse than useless, because by sowing a general feeling that the text probably came from Appletons', it conceals the fact that any subsequent, unsourced edits, are an invisible mutation of the original text. This is just all wrong. But it's also perfectly above-board and according to policy. Annoying. Elemimele (talk) 11:57, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

How to proceed?

Hey, i was monitering recent changes and found a case of a large amount of content being removed by an account with a Battleground edit summary, ive been trying to avoid violating Civility rules and the 3RR, but i genuinely dont know how to proceed from here without either biting a newbie or possibly causing an edit war. Actual conflict is here. Im still quite rusty about how to handle disputes on WP (i mostly just stick to reverting vandalism) -I.R.B.A.T^{(yell at me) (The IRBAT Files)} 13:37, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Im really bad at this, if you supply a diff (or point to the particular edit(s) in some other way), then somebody here will be able to investigate and comment. -- Hoary (talk) 23:20, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Hoary if you would take a look at the history of the page he linked you would get a good idea what IRBAT is talking about. Yeshivish613 (talk) 11:29, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the prod, Yeshivish613. I must have somehow missed "Actual conflict is here." The IP's edit summaries are pugnacious but I don't find them rude (other than where he addresses the subject of the article). I'm unfamiliar with most of the sources within the deleted-restored-deleted-restored passages and have no great enthusiasm either for studying and evaluating them or for submerging myself in a sea of celebs, but even to me it's obvious that some of these sources are unsatisfactory. (Instagram? Please no.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:06, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

CrowdTangle draft input

Hello editors,

It looks like a bot archived my previous post thinking it was settled, but I'm still looking for constructive feedback on the CrowdTangle draft I proposed. The previously reviewing editor suggested seeking feedback here. I am eager to make this draft better, so I want to make a request for feedback again.

To recap: From the rules the replying editor linked, for corporate notability, the sources in the draft need to:

• Contain significant coverage addressing the subject of the article directly and in depth.
• Be completely independent of the article subject.
• Meet the standard for being a reliable source.
• Be a secondary source; primary and tertiary sources do not count towards establishing notability.

I think that the articles from Business Insider, The Verge and Poynter show clear interest from when CrowdTangle was first created and in use. Further articles from Bloomberg, Axios and Reuters covered CrowdTangle up until it was disbanded, showing a continuous, sustained interest in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject.

All of these articles listed are in-depth, independent, secondary, and reliable.

Could someone please offer additional guidance on how to improve this draft? The language in it is supported by these sources in a neutral, unbiased way while also trying to not violate copyright. Thank you very much!!. Brandonsilverman (talk) 17:29, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Brandonsilverman, and welcome to the Teahouse.

The Business insider piece says very little about CT that is not quoting a spokesperson from CT. The Verge piece is almost entirely quoting what FB says. This means that neither of them is independent. I didn't look further.

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 18:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you ColinFine this is exactly the type of feedback I was looking for!

I think you'll find that Axios and Reuters articles I mentioned don't lean on quotes from the company or spokesperson and the Poynter starts with a quote but provides independent research later in the article.

A few journalistic articles I did not mention above but are independent include Fast Company, the Associated Press, and more Axios coverage].

If you have a chance to check them out, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on those. Brandonsilverman (talk) 20:17, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Feedback on an article

Hi there everyone! I recently submitted this page and it was declined due to insufficient reliable sources. There are 14 sources from reputable US media outlets that span several years. Does anyone have advice about how to improve the sourcing for the page? Thanks so much for your help. Draft:Collier Prize for State Government Accountability Kapparently (talk) 19:39, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi, @Kapparently and welcome to Wikipedia! The main problem I see with your draft is that the sources don't establish the notability of the award. For example, look at the Academy Awards. It has content (and sources) about the award itself. Most of the sources in your draft talk about Χ receiving the award. If I have time later I will see if I can find you some sources. Good luck, CF-501 Falcon (talk · contribs) 00:34, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Kapparently I took a look on newspapers.com and found one useful clip, which I have saved for you. There may be others, although even this one doesn't have a lot of details about the prize. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:59, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

... and this one which relates the prize to a descendant of Peter Fenelon Collier. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:07, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

This was extremely helpful - I added some statements and links to support the notability of the award. I just resubmitted it for review. Appreciate your help! Kapparently (talk) 20:28, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

This was extremely helpful - I added some statements and links to support the notability of the award. I just resubmitted it for review. Appreciate your help! Kapparently (talk) 20:28, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Edit

I made a change to a page and I just looked at it and it says "reverted" does that mean my changed were removed? Mccoyjacob22565 (talk) 20:46, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Mccoyjacob22565! Yes, it was reverted here, with the explanation that "Controversies" sections are a discouraged section type, and that the source is not reliable (it appears to be a self-published blog). If you disagree, you can start a new talk page section explaining your changes while notifying the reverting user (SounderBruce). ObserveOwl (talk) 21:51, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Street_Football_(TV_series)

Hi! I tried to publish this article, but it was pushed back to the draft space because the resources weren't reliable enough. Can someone give me a bit of advice on what exactly is wrong with my resources? Also what other resources would I need to make the article good enough? Thank you. GrimaldiiSolace (talk) 21:39, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Would this source be something worth inserting? https://www.raiplay.it/programmi/streetfootball GrimaldiiSolace (talk) 21:42, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

I've found these sources. Would this be enough? https://www.leparisien.fr/seine-saint-denis-93/l-inspirateur-de-foot-2-rue-encourage-les-joueurs-15-05-2006-2006985155.php

https://cinecittanews.it/11-00-la-compagnia-dei-celestini-su-rai2/

https://www.20minutes.fr/podcast/4049157-20230821-foot-2-rue-dessin-anime-inclusif-raconter-vie-jeunes-passionnes-foot

https://web.archive.org/web/20241210155223/https://www.caviarmagazine.fr/foot2rueretoursurpetitecran/

https://web.archive.org/web/20191208043623/https://port.hu/adatlap/film/tv/street-football--street-football/movie-136797 GrimaldiiSolace (talk) 22:27, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

GrimaldiiSolace, it's rather odd to talk of a source being worth inserting (or anyway it's odd when the context isn't understood). Rather, you might ask whether the source says something that's worth summarizing for the article, whether it's reliable for that purpose, and whether the material within it that's worth summarizing is already in the article and adequately referenced. -- Hoary (talk) 22:34, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Worth inserting, meaning a viable source to adequately take the place of the non-reliable sources I had previously used. Maybe you missed where I explained the context above. Sorry for the misunderstanding. GrimaldiiSolace (talk) 01:41, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

I was too hasty, GrimaldiiSolace. I've looked at the draft, at Timtrent's comment that "Your sourcing is all unreliable with the likely exception of Le Monde", and (in an unsatisfactory, monoglot way) at three sources. There seems to be an implication here of a non-trivial probability that the Le Monde source is unreliable. I don't understand how. (Are there now questions about the reliability of Le Monde?) The problem with this web page that it says very little. In the version of the draft that Timtrent declined, it's cited for (A) the start date and for (B) a description of the general situation in which the story takes place. It certainly backs up (B), but I don't see how it backs up (A). The port.hu page says even less; I've no particular reason not to think that it's competent at this kind of coverage. The Le Parisien article (currently cited, but not yet cited in the version that Timtrent declined) seems competent too. And yes, this Parisien article does verify what you attribute to it. -- Hoary (talk) 08:38, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Hoary, thank you for taking a closer look at it! Hopefully, I've updated the sourcing enough to show notability. GrimaldiiSolace (talk) 19:09, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Dismissed legal charges

This isn't the first edit I've seen like it, but this edit removed information about a criminal charge from a BLP on the grounds that it has been dismissed. In the past, my instinct has been to revert those kinds of edits. I couldn't find anything in WP:BLP or the MOS about dismissed criminal charges - should I continue to revert similar removals in the future? Anerdw (talk) 06:52, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Anerdw, BLP policy calls for us to be very conservative and cautious about including content that might imply criminal guilt. In this case, the individual was arrested four years ago for an offense that is a misdemeanor but is considered highly embarrassing, and the charges were dismissed by a judge three years ago. The person was a notable politician but left office 12 years ago. I see no benefit in keeping this content in the article. Cullen328 (talk) 07:30, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Meeting other editors, making friends, collaborating on articles

Have you ever gone to a Wikipedia article and felt like you've stumbled upon an ancient cairn that hasn't been disturbed for years? Its a cool feeling traipsing Wikipedia and finding long lost articles to improve, but it does feel a bit lonely sometimes. I like venturing off like this but its not the only kind of editing I want to do here. I want to actively collaborate with other editors, not just build upon an article that hasn't been touched by other editors in years. The only "contact" I've had with other editors is through automated bots. I love the idea of Wikiprojects, but they don't give any clear instructions on how to get into contact with other editors on the project, and I don't want to bother them on their talk page with unsolicited requests for a collaboration. I know about the GA article review process as a way of working with other editors and I am planning to both review GA candidates and submit one myself. I was wondering if anyone here knew of ways to meet, talk, collaborate, and make friends with other editors organically and without it feeling forced.

Thanks, Surfinsi (talk) 08:57, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Surfinsi: What are your areas of interest? Some WikiProjects can feel like active communities while others are more like ghost towns. If you have a particular article in mind that you want to improve and there seems to be an active WikiProject on the subject, then by all means start a conversation there – the WikiProject's Talk page is usually a good place to start.

There are also a number of Wikipedia and Wikimedia channels on Discord (which is very social) and IRC (which tends to be more solution-oriented). These platforms are moderated but not controlled by Wikimedia volunteers, and discussions about improving Wikipedia content should take place on Wikipedia itself, but Discord in particular does have a kind of collegial coffee-break-room atmosphere that might be what you're after. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 09:53, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Although the Teahouse is oriented to somewhat more nuts-and-bolts topics, @Surfinsi, I think you’ve raised a great question. After all, meaningful connections help foster not just warm fuzzies but also useful collaboration.

I’ve been amazed to find many new friendships through Wikipedia. And all very organically, mainly at “tables” in the Teahouse, then later at the Help Desk and Village Pump. I'll offer my experience in hopes that it may help inspire you to see possibilities right here.

Almost every friendship with other editors I can think of during my nearly three years as a Wikipedian developed initially in some way, shape, or form through a discussion thread at one of these tables. I don’t know whether more friendships began by me picking up on another editor’s message, or another editor picking up on one of mine. What I do know is that incredible feeling of “Yessss!” when something has deeply resonated with me. It could be a unique shared interest or concern, or an idea proposed to solve a problem or offer fresh perspective. It could also be in just coming across such an insightful and delightful dash of humor that it brightened a week’s worth of clouds.

Often what began in one of these "table" discussion threads was the beginning in turn of further conversation on a Talk page, mine or another editor’s. Or in Discord (which I’ve only recently come to know of: a good place to chat that’s less "out in the open" than a Talk page but not a personal e-mail account).

Now, @Surfinsi, after having made a case for you to think of the Teahouse and other help venues as good places to connect with other Wikipedians, I'll leave you with a much less organic but what looks like a good way to look for groups focused on a particular project, as @ClaudineChionh mentioned in her earlier reply to you: the Find a WikiProject search box. Augnablik (talk) 13:52, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Please help to publish the article if it looks promotional

Please suggest edits for this article Draft:ULYSTAR Satishmnavy85 (talk) 09:50, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, @Satishmnavy85, it has already been speedily deleted by an admin as unambiguously promotional. You will need to start again after reading Help:Your first article. We know from much experience that newcomers to editing who jump straight into creating drafts almost always fail: start instead by improving existing articles on topics that interest you until you have learned how things work here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:39, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Satishmnavy85 You have now restored a version of the article. However, it is clear at a glance that it does not demonstrate that this company, of which you are the CEO, is notable as defined by Wikipedia. Without sources which are in depth, from reliable publications entirely independent of the company, no article is possible. It is likely that it is simply too soon to create one. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:17, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Satishmnavy85, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that if you continue trying to use Wikipedia to promote your company, you are likely to find yourself blocked.

A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what reliable independent sources have published about its subject, and very little else. What the company (or its personnel or associates) say or wish to say about itself is of almost no interest or relevance to Wikipedia. If you, as a paid editor try to write an article about your company, you will find that this makes it even more difficult than the already challenging task of creating a Wikipedia article, because you will basically need to forget every single thing you know about the company, and write only information which has appeared in independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 14:39, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Satishmnavy85: Welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to what users have said above, do not use AI to generate article content. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Redundancies of content cut. Other stuff cut. Still too soon for any evidence this company meets WP:NCORP. David notMD (talk) 14:44, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Expanding articles

How do I expand articles with adding new information? How to get new articles accepted if they were a stub? - ParticularEvent318 home (speak!). 09:51, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@ParticularEvent318 Thanks for wanting to improve Wikipedia. Everything here is based on finding appropriate reliable sources and summarizing their content into our articles. So, I suggest you look at topic that interest you and think whether you can find more relevant information that could be included. So, for example, you could look at articles about places near where you live and use local newspapers for new content. Or take some pictures to upload to Wikimedia Commons. Failing that, try the WP:Task centre. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:44, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Good then. What can be a reliable source? - ParticularEvent318 home (speak!). 20:52, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

To answer your second question, as long as articles have sufficient sources to establish notability and they provide sufficient context, stubs have no problem being created. Yeshivish613 (talk) 12:27, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Can stubs be expanded if they have only one sentence? - ParticularEvent318 home (speak!). 20:52, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@ParticularEvent318 Yes, and they should be! It would be relatively rare to be able to show that a topic was notable in just one sentence. As to reliable sources, please read the page I have linked about that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:35, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Ok, can it be blogs or listicles? - ParticularEvent318 home (speak!). 09:28, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

With few exceptions, no. David notMD (talk) 14:45, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Reasoning? - ParticularEvent318 home (speak!). 00:58, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Blogs and listicles are generally not considered reliable sources. There are exceptions, though, for example a blog written by a respected researcher in a field relevant to what is being written about. Sarsenet•he/they•(talk) 03:20, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

What are examples of reliable blogs and listicles? - ParticularEvent318 home (speak!). 07:41, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

See WP:BLOG, which explains why self-published sources are normally not considered reliable. The exception mentioned there is Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications. However it says such sources should be used with caution, and adds Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer. CodeTalker (talk) 16:55, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Help on Article

Hi everyone! I am a part of an online communities class, and we have been tasked to create a new Wikipedia page or add onto an existing page. Any help, guidance, or suggestions are welcome as I work to perfect my article. Thank you :) Bubblegum111 (talk) 16:25, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Bubblegum111 Welcome to the Teahouse. As you will see if you read some of the other threads on this page, writing articles from scratch is quite difficult for newcomers. Some of that is discussed in this essay. So, my advice would be to spend your time initially adding to existing articles on topics which interest you or where you have some expertise and can recognise gaps and new reliable sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:46, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @[[User:Bubblegum111|Bubblegum111], and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I'll say it more strongly than Mike: My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 10:35, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Bubblegum111 Your instructor should review the Wikipedia Education Program materials; requiring the creation of a Wikipedia article is not the best assignment, as much of the process is outside of the control of those undertaking it. Adding to an article is better. 331dot (talk) 10:46, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

You appear to have succeeded in creating PopUp Bagels. Congrats. Still needs work, as has been tagged as having promotional content. David notMD (talk) 14:50, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

By the way they actually have an extremely experienced and proficient instructor, if you look at their contributions. Yeshivish613 (talk) 01:40, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

draft:jsky

Hello, can you kindly review this latest submission. Draft:Jsky

The 3 notable secondary sources used are UK Regional print newspapers which solely discuss Jsky and his achievements:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/showbiz-news/jsky-stephanie-davis-hollyoaks-celebrity-9091344

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/25012680.bbc-star-jsky-featured-new-bolton-museum-exhibition/

https://www.burytimes.co.uk/news/20287465.bury-star-jsky-first-carry-commonwealth-baton/ Humphrey.Mulberry (talk) 17:09, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

It seems that Draft:Jsky has had a long history and was rejected (which means "stop trying: this topic is not suitable for Wikipedia") in 2022. The more recent sources still fail to reach our notability requirements, since they are local newspapers giving limited information based mainly on interviews. We need three or so sources which meet the golden rules for good sources. These may appear after his single is released later this year. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:44, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Tags on my edits

I've had "Tags: possible BLP issue or vandalism" as tags on two of my most recent edits and I'm wondering if I am doing something wrong, or is this expected? Footballcrazyguy (talk) 21:38, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Footballcrazyguy. The filter tags these edits because they may add WP:UNSOURCED content to articles about living people or other problematic stuff. I suggest you read WP:BLP and make sure you're not adding anything against policy. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 22:26, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Footballcrazyguy Welcome to the Teahouse. I don't see any problems with the edits [1] or [2] in question. They were marked automatically by software, not editors, and they have not been reverted. I think that the filter may have worried that you have <30 edits and were using foreign-language sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:29, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, I'll keep doing what I'm doing in that case. Footballcrazyguy (talk) 00:03, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

This is not unusual, and wouldn't be considered a negative. I can be specific about both edits here. One is that you say someone has been fired. In many biographies this is worth flagging for a quick review (for review, not reversion). The second is a bit more obscure, and relates to the club name Petrocub Hîncești. If you speak English well, you may be able to see why this was picked up. Filters are coded by humans and not perfect. You'll find you'll hit the filters less after you've made more edits. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 22:43, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, those explanations make sense for both. I didn't notice the club name until you mentioned it, lol. Footballcrazyguy (talk) 00:03, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Uploading an image for a draft article

I have a draft called Draft:Stewart (brand), and I tried to upload Stewart's logo for the article, but it says I can't upload a image for a draft article when I get to the "What article is this image for" part. How do I upload it? Liam9287 (talk) 21:55, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Liam9287: Once your draft is moved to the mainspace, you can upload the image then. Because you want to upload a logo, it’s probably going to be WP:NONFREE content, which only allow such files in the mainspace. cyberdog958^Talk 22:07, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Ok thankk you 😄 Liam9287 (talk) 22:15, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Do you think my draft so far is good? Like the citations? Draft:Stewart (brand) Liam9287 (talk) 00:47, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

No. Three of your four refs are to the company website. You must find refs about Stewart that are independent from the company. David notMD (talk) 14:53, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

User signatures

How can I create a colourful signature for my username? ComeAndJoinTheMusic (talk) 00:44, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Go into Special:Preferences and look for the signature box, where you can edit your signature. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 02:45, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

There's also a helpful guide at Wikipedia:Signatures. Cheers! ‍Relativity ⚡️ 00:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

How do I know that my question has been asked earlier?

Hello all. I am a newbie and still learning "walking steps", so to say. I have a question "Can a stamp be copyrighted"? For instance, today, when I was searching for stamps on HIV, I came across this - https://www.alamy.com/discoverer-of-the-hiv-virus-luc-montagnier-on-stamp-image593202402.html. It shows a stamp issued by Bhutan and is related to HIV. I need to use it in one of my academic works. But it is supposed to be copyrighted by ALAMY. In the past too, I have seen several such stamps copyrighted by them or by some other agencies. My question is "Can someone simply put its logo on a stamp and assert it is copyrighted by them? How do we know for sure, it is copyrighted by them? Can a public image, like that of stamp be copyrighted?" Now my related question. Before putting this question in this group, I was very much aware that this is a common question, and probably has been asked [and answered] in this forum. Since I did not want to clutter up this space, with duplicate questions, I wanted to search for this question. But could not figure out how. For one thing, people might have asked the question using different words. Then how do I search? Are there any keywords or similar things to search for? How? Kindly explain. Thanks. Neotaruntius (talk) 04:24, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Neotaruntius, it's a good idea to "bookmark" c:Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory, from which you can easily reach c:Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Bhutan. And from c:Commons:Stamps you can easily reach c:Commons:Stamps/Asia, though unfortunately all this says about Bhutan is "No information available". ¶ Take "No information available" to mean "Lack of clear evidence that these are anything other than conventionally copyright ('all rights reserved')". If they are, or might be, conventionally copyright, they cannot be used on Wikimedia Commons; and if they can't be used there, they also can't be used on English-language Wikipedia, other perhaps than via a claim of "fair use". ¶ Alamy says that this image was contributed by "Peregrine". Click on the link on that page to "Peregrine", and one sees that this person has uploaded over a hundred images, of which most (all?) are of stamps from a great number of nations. I find it hard to believe that Peregrine has the rights to these. But this is the kind of thing that a website (whether Alamy or Wikipedia) can expect when it invites the carefree/optimistic/feckless to upload what they say is their own. ¶ The best place to ask about image copyright and related matters -- other than "fair use" -- is c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. -- Hoary (talk) 05:29, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hoary, thanks. This is as detailed a reply as can be, although at this moment, I can't claim I have understood your answer completely. Instead of a binary yes or no, it is a much nuanced reply and I will need to understand this properly after visiting all these sites you mentioned. I have heard about Village pump, but I did not realize it had sub-sites also. Thanks again. Neotaruntius (talk) 08:23, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

And more, Neotaruntius. "Can someone simply put its logo on a stamp and assert it is copyrighted by them?" If an image is in the public domain, then yes, I believe that someone can do just that. (Making the claim doesn't necessarily mean that the claim will be taken seriously.) And if the "can" in that question is in the epistemic sense (a matter not of authorization but of probability, as it "It can snow in June", or "Nitwits can vandalize Wikipedia"), then yes. ¶ "How do we know for sure, it is copyrighted by them?" You could email Alamy to ask. ¶ "Can a public image, like that of stamp be copyrighted?" I don't know what you mean here by "public image"; but yes, many nations copyright their stamps. -- Hoary (talk) 05:46, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hoary thanks for the second part. Come to think of it, I also have only a vague idea of what a public image is or should be. I would imagine that the image of sun should be a public image, because it is available for everyone to see and photograph freely. Probably a Bhutan stamp (but not an extremely rare stamp, or, say, the Kohinoor diamond) is also a public image, but I know you will now easily drag me onto a slippery wicket. Well, another important part of my question has remained unanswered. How do I know this question had been asked earlier? I might be asking a question already answered. Sorry, I sound so naive. Actually I am. Thanks. Neotaruntius (talk) 08:35, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Neotaruntius, in this context, "public image" is an unfamiliar term to me. I think that you mean by it something like "image of a sight available to the public". The outside of the building where I live is available to the public (you can come here and view it, or anyway one side of it). The inside is not: If I don't invite you in, you can't come in. But, however incredible it may seem, even the exteriors of buildings facing public streets/roads are, in many parts of the world, not available for published photography, because those areas don't have what's called "freedom of panorama". In many (most?) nations, you also have no right to publish the photographs you take of new statues that anyone is free to view in public places, etc etc. Publicly available/visible stamps, banknotes, posters, etc, must also be assumed to be conventionally copyright ("all rights reserved") unless there's a clear reason for them not to be (public availability/visibility of what's photographed is no reason at all). -- Hoary (talk) 08:49, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

File:Independence Monument (27506800337).jpg is a "fun" example of FOP rules, read through the Licensing templates. Bonus "fun" at [3]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:07, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hoary, this is really interesting. I would have imagined that I had a right to publish [on my own Facebook page] my own image taken in front of, say, "Statute of Liberty" and someone could have questioned its validity. I do not visit social media sites often, but whenever I do, I find so commonly people post their pictures by the side of, or in front of, famous sights, and no one takes it seriously. Well I think it may also depend on where you are posting it - in an informal Whats-app group or in an academic book available for sale. I realize "copyright" is a big area of law, and probably cannot be discussed in a series of questions and answers, certainly not with a beginner like me, who knows nothing about it. But your statement "In many (most?) nations, you also have no right to publish the photographs you take of new statues that anyone is free to view in public places, etc etc. " really astonished me. I shall keep learning, although currently it seems like an incredibly large ocean for me to swim across. It is fun to learn anyway. Thanks very much. Neotaruntius (talk) 10:50, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

@Neotaruntius To answer the search part of your question: there is a search box that works over the Help pages. You'll find it near the top of this Teahouse page. If you use the keywords "stamp" and "Bhutan" the search returns this hitlist, from which you can see that related questions have been asked and that this thread is already indexed as a hit. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:04, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

... see also Postage stamps and postal history of Bhutan and File:Stamp Bhutan Punakha Dzong bridge 2009 FDC.jpg, which suggests that the stamps are the copyright of the issuing authority, as is the case in very many countries. For the purpose you mention, it will depend on fair use rules in your territory. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:31, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Note that Alamy should not be trusted on matters of copyright. Many of the images which it offers for sale have been copied, without due credit, from Wikimedia Commons. Maproom (talk) 12:36, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes Maproom, this was actually the "core" part of my question. Honestly I wasn't very much worried about Bhutan stamp/its copyright, as much as was the authenticity of Alamy's claim, and the way to check it. I think there are several other similar companies which make similar claims. I think one is Shutterstock or something like that. Not pointing a finger on any one; they may all be making right claims. Just wondered if we can take these claims on their face value, or is there a genuine way of checking it. Thanks to all, who took time to answer a complete newcomer's genuine enquiry. Neotaruntius (talk) 15:11, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

My. Kushwaha of Nepal article is not accepted yet

 Courtesy link: Draft:Kushwaha community of nepal

Please accept it fast Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 06:38, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

@Bhaskar sunsari: What's the rush? Wikipedia is a volunteer service and you cannot make demands on reviewers' time. You can see at the top of the draft submission box that there are over 2,300 drafts waiting for review. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 07:06, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

sir /mam i understand but this is my first article please accept it fast it will motivate me to write more article please Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 07:09, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, that's now how this works. It's better that you spend some time learning our rules and style guide before trying to create your first article. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 07:36, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

sir / mam some one decline my article saying it is a copy but i have made it for the kushwaha community of Nepal not India it is different please check it again kushwaha page exist it is for kushwaha of India not nepal I have made it for Nepal kushwaha are present in Nepal also Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 08:09, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Bhaskar sunsari: Now I see that this falls under the Contentious topics procedure so I reiterate that you need to spend more time learning the rules and style guidelines. You will not be allowed to edit or create articles in this area until you have more experience. (This rule applies to all new editors, not just you personally.) — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 08:33, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

i understand sir mam but look at once in my article( kushwaha community of nepal ) once it will help nepali kuswahas in study too it have listed their poplulation in different states of nepal and different districts too it is not related with kushwaha of india please sir/mam it will not harm wikipidea if you accept it and if you accept it it will even motivate me do more contribute to wikipidea please accept my article Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 08:46, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Bhaskar sunsari: You have been told why this is not going to happen. Continuing to resubmit it without any changes is just wasting everyone's time. If you think there needs to be a separate article from Kushwaha then you can make a suggestion on that article's talk page. Only do this if you have reliable sources to support your claim. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 09:05, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

ok sir /mam please tell me what changes i have to do to make it accepted i will do changes you will say please ... just tell mei just want to be my article accepted. Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 09:08, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Please slow down. There's no rush, there's no deadline. 331dot (talk) 09:12, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

but sir/mam just tell what changes in have to do i will do please i beg you Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 09:17, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Please read the advice that you have already been given here and on the draft page by Theroadislong, DoubleGrazing, and myself. (By the way, my preferred gender pronouns are in my signature and you do not need to address me as Ma'am.)— ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 09:18, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

sir i have done too much changes to my page kushwaha community of nepal please accept it now if there is any mistake please suggest me i will correct it ...but look at it once please i m like your brother.... Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 12:50, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

I have declined your draft we already have an article on the topic here Kushwaha. Theroadislong (talk) 07:58, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Stop imploring at Teahouse to have your draft approved. Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not review drafts (although some also serve as reviewers). Repeatedly asking/begging to have your draft approved is just annoying. David notMD (talk) 14:56, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Need to contribute to Wikipedia

I’m an inexperienced editor on Wikipedia. I have been introduced to wiki editing. How do I get started then? Is there a game that introduces me to contributing to encyclopedia? CoolWeb092 (talk). 09:21, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

There is indeed a game! You can find it at The Wikipedia Adventure. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 09:26, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Is the Wikipedia Adventure new or old? CoolWeb092 (talk). 19:35, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

You can also look at WP:TASKS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:11, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

I can see this. CoolWeb092 (talk). 23:20, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

But what does the task center do? CoolWeb092 (talk). 18:41, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Have you visited either of the links you've been given? You will find answers to your questions there. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 23:38, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes I have. CoolWeb092 (talk). 01:41, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Keeps getting logged out

MediaWiki keeps logging me out after browsing a few pages. -- Least Action (talk) 13:43, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Least Action. I believe this type of problem can probably be resolved by:

1. logging-out,
2. clearing your browser cookies (at least for the domains wikimedia.org and wikipedia.org),
3. if you restrict cookies with custom settings, then make sure you are allowing the new auth.wikimedia.org sub-domain
4. log-in again.

If that doesn't help, please either file a task in Phabricator (if you are comfortable doing that), or reply here with more details about your setup and the specific problem so that we can file a Phabricator task on your behalf, such as: which browser/OS/App are you using when you get logged-out, if you are using any browser-extensions that might be interfering (such as a cookie limiter), how long after logging-in you are getting unintentionally-logged-out (and does it seem to be time-dependent or number-of-pages-visited dependent as you describe above), if you are using a VPN or proxy or a satellite ISP, and anything else you think might be relevant.

General background note: There have been some recent updates to the system for logging-in. Overall, the changes should improve things for everyone, and the changes are needed due to the way that web-browser software is being updated (details at mw:MediaWiki Platform Team/SUL3).

I hope that information helps. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 22:18, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Incorrect re-edits to updated pages

Why should an author be allowed to revert to an old version of a personality page when the page has been especially re-edited to add updated achievements and information on the given personality? Jashnetalat (talk) 15:44, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Other editors have as much right to aim to improve an article as you have (or more, for a while, now that you've got yourself blocked for edit warring). When your block ends, you should discuss the issues on the article's talk page. Maproom (talk) 18:47, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Question about an article

This article [4] has some issues with it. It needs additional citations for verification and such. But, when I try to do a proposed deletion, it was already nominated. So I was wondering if an article can be re-nominated to be deleted or not. Thanks, Editz2341231 (talk) 16:12, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Editz2341231. Improvement of an article about a clearly notable topic is always preferable to deletion. If you go to Google Books and enter the character string "water weights load testing", you will find quite a few high quality reliable sources on this topic. Select and summarize the best of them, create references to them, and you will have dramatically improved the article. Cullen328 (talk) 19:03, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

@Cullen328 can I still add references to the sentences that are already in the article? Does the amount of content in an article determine it's notability? Editz2341231 (talk) 19:40, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Editz2341231, you are welcome to improve the article in any way you wish. Aside from a very few exceptions, articles don't have notability; however, an article should demonstrate the notability of its subject. Adding to the content of an article goes towards demonstrating the notability of its subject (or increases the obviousness of this notability), as long as the additions are sourced reliably (and, for many kinds of subject, are independent of the subject). -- Hoary (talk) 20:52, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Editz2341231, notability is a property of a topic, not a property of a Wikipedia article about that topic. A poor quality article about a clearly notable topic does not make the topic any less notable. It just means that the article cries out for expansion and improvement. Adding references to reliable sources that devote significant coverage to the topic is a good start. Summarizing those references and adding new content is even better. That's why we are here. Cullen328 (talk) 05:33, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

How to get to extended confirmed

500 edits or 1000? ~ [[User:ComeAndJoinTheMusic|Music]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:ComeAndJoinTheMusic|''what music?'']]} ~ (talk) 22:23, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi ComeAndJoinTheMusic - As stated at WP:XC "A registered editor becomes extendedconfirmed automatically one edit after the account has existed for at least 30 days and has made at least 500 edits." - Arjayay (talk) 22:27, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Is undoing enough

If I was just testing AFC submissions, was undoing the afc edit to stop the submission? Special:Diff/1283011776 Justjourney (talk) 22:34, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 10:18, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Nominate for deletion?

While expanding stubs I saw an article that doesn't seem to meet requirements based on what I've read. Can I nominate it for deletion as a newbie, or should I do something else? Don't want to overstep. Thanks. Milkywaythegodfather (talk) 23:02, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

@Milkywaythegodfather Absolutely you can - the "worst" thing that will happen is somebody finds better sourcing and makes a snarky comment at you. To mitigate the chances of that, make sure you do a proper WP:BEFORE to determine if the subject might be notable, despite the state of the article. That's going to probably involve looking through Google News, Google Scholar, Google Books, or other similar platforms. If the article's about an academic, however, make sure you look at ou guidelines for determining academic notability. They're very different, and even experienced users get caught out by that. Don't be afraid to withdraw if somebody finds better sourcing, and good luck on your Wikipedia journey! GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 23:16, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I did the nomination at Jacky Chou. If you get a chance, would love to know if I did it correctly. Thank you. Milkywaythegodfather (talk) 17:58, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Editing on high profile pages

Hello editors, I really wanted to edit articles that are metropolitan related, but for pages, such as Boston, Philadelphia, and New York City, it seems that these articles are monitored and patrolled by extended confirmed editors. Can you please explain how to start an edit to these articles without being it patrolled? Is there a way for an edit to be made un an article without being undone? (Magnent)”Harold” (talk) 23:47, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello @MagnentHarold. Assuming you don't mean the articles aren't extended protected, you can try to be bold and just make the edit and improve the article. If it's reverted, that's okay, because you can always discuss with the reverting editors on the article's talk page. Discussion is how Wikipedia grows. If you really aren't sure your edit will be an improvement or abide by guidelines, you can open up a section on the talk page and ask for advice. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 23:56, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

How can discussions grow on Wikipedia? (Magnent)”Harold” (talk) 00:48, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

What I meant is that discussions is how Wikipedia grows. In a collaborative environment, there will always be conflict. That conflict is settled in discussions. Those discussions are how we find how to improve articles. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 04:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Why would there be always conflict? (Magnent)”Harold” (talk) 05:10, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Because human nature leads to conflict. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 05:12, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Could conflicts not only happen in discussions, but also any media where communication is always the priority? (Magnent)”Harold” (talk) 08:19, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@MagnentHarold There won't be conflict every time, or even most times (depending on where you edit), but if you keep editing, sooner or later someone will disagree with you on something, and then it's time for discussion. To quote WP:COMMUNICATE. "Most article updates are uncontroversial, so discussion isn't needed. In cases of disagreements amongst editors, though, there is no choice but to communicate with others. All Wikipedia editors are expected to make a good-faith effort to use talk pages to discuss issues when needed." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:20, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

In general, articles with more views per day tend to also have editors who have chosen to have those articles on their "Watch" list, meaning that every time they log in they can check their list to see what has been edited. I 'watch' about 30 articles; some people watch hundreds. And some articles have hundreds of watchers. As mentioned above, unless protected, relatively new editors can edit those articles, but may see that their edits were reverted for cause - most often lack of including a reference or invalid reference. David notMD (talk) 14:27, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I could agree on that, but for lack of reference? That interesting to see this. (Magnent)”Harold” (talk) 18:40, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

How do you keep your watchlist so low? I think after a couple months on Wikipedia, my own watchlist was already well above 30. I have over 2000 articles on my watchlist and it's a constant struggle to keep it from growing without bound. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:15, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

While editing, I don’t usually turn on the watchlist after publishing. (Magnent)”Harold” (talk) 20:33, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

A question I would like to ask

Let's say you are new on Wikipedia,then you want to start your own page in your own language,then you start to have some doubts about the language you chose because not everyone knows your language for example myself my language is Sepedi since I live in South Africa so not everyone knows my language

My question says: if you consider the factor could it lead you into no longer creating a page on Wikipedia? Lou tshimo (talk) 00:50, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes it could, Lou tshimo. But it could also lead me into putting more effort into creating pages in that language. I read that Sesotho sa Leboa has close to five million native speakers. That's a lot. The number of native speakers of Estonian is less than one third the number of native speakers of Sesotho sa Leboa. One can't evaluate an encyclopedia by comparing what's written (or isn't written) on a tiny number of subjects; but all the same, let's take a look.

• Sesotho sa Leboa (in Sesotho sa Leboa)
• Sesotho sa Leboa (in Estonian)
• [no article about Estonian in Sesotho sa Leboa]
• Estonian (in Estonian)

It seems to me that nso:Wikipedia needs some help. -- Hoary (talk) 08:42, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Question About A Submission

Hey All - I asked 4-5 weeks ago about a submissions "Thomas Haugh" he's a basketball player at the U of Florida. In my initial page, I did not indicate "Thomas Haugh (Basketball)" was hoping somebody could help edit. He's been on a tear during March Madness. Working to prove he's notable! Thanks!

- Grassroots Talk 101 GrassrootHoops101 (talk) 02:15, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Thomas Haugh is currently awaiting review. This may take three months or more. If the title needs changing the reviewing editor will take care of that. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:27, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @GrassrootHoops101, having a parentheses after a name is only necessary when there are two people with the same name, and we need to have a disambiguator. For example there are more than two people called Joe Johnson who have Wikipedia articles called Joe Johnson, so we need to disambiguate them as Joe Johnson (basketball) and Joe Johnson (baseball). However since there is no other article yet called Thomas Haugh, the current title will be fine, should your draft be accepted. Good luck with your draft! Yeshivish613 (talk) 11:39, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Any chance deleting the page, and re uploading it will streamline it at all? GrassrootHoops101 (talk) 11:53, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@GrassrootHoops101, it is never necessary to delete and recreate articles, they can simply be moved to change the name. However as I said your draft is best at the current name, and as said above you should wait until it is reviewed and if it is accepted you can worry about the name. Yeshivish613 (talk) 12:01, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Name

Can I change my Wikipedia name? Vestrix (talk) 04:11, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, see Wikipedia:Changing username. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 04:35, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Pls review Wikipedia:Changing username Moxy🍁 04:35, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

How to cite.

Hi people, how can I cite information from pages? I need assistance on citing articles. SegmentYork390 (talk) 06:19, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @SegmentYork390, do you mean how do you add a citation/reference to article? Is this what you are looking for? Knitsey (talk) 06:23, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that is my question. SegmentYork390 (talk) 06:59, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

This might be helpful. Knitsey (talk) 07:05, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Also, Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources whilst not exhaustive, can help when choosing a source. Knitsey (talk) 07:08, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Knitsey, I usually start with WP:REFVISUAL (or WP:REFBEGIN for any newbies who prefer the source editor). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 10:10, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

For this, which format? Newspaper, journal, or a basically website? SegmentYork390 (talk) 18:43, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Kushwaha community of nepal

please check my article ( kuswaha community of nepal) and please tell me if i have to do anything changes but fast review Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 07:13, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

What can it be? SegmentYork390 (talk) 07:40, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

They always decline my article please tell me how can i make it acceptable Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 07:50, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

We cannot guarantee a speedy, successful review. What's your hurry? 331dot (talk) 08:03, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I have checked the reason that why your article doesn't accepted and I found that the topic on which you are creating a article, already existed in Wikipedia as Kushwaha. The same reason is also given by the new page reviewer. Try creating a article on any other notable topic. Please check WP:AFC to avoid mistakes, and to qualify your draft as article. Thank you. ⚡ VortexPhantom ⚡ (talk) 08:03, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

but sir in kushwaha there is nothing listed clearly about kushwaha community of Nepal i want to add details about kushwaha community of Nepal but that page is locked so sir i m creating new page kushwaha community of Nepal and you guys are decling it it is for the kushwaha community of Nepal . Same there is yadavs page but some one yadav of Nepal page is existing but why not of kushwaha Kushwaha are also a legal citizens of nepal . please understand sir Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 08:07, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Again, what's your hurry? And why have you not done as suggested and first expand the existing article? It can always be split off later if needed. 331dot (talk) 08:16, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I understand your concern, but keep a thing in mind that separate pages cannot be made for Kushwaha in both Nepal and India regions, consider editing in the existing page of you want to add content about Kushwaha in Nepal. If, the page is protected consider visiting Wikipedia:Requests for page protection for reducing page protection or request edit in protected pages. Thank you and happy editing. ⚡ VortexPhantom ⚡ (talk) 08:17, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@VortexPhantom, note that the Kushwaha article is covered by the contentious topics rules (see the talk page) so an editor who is not extended-confirmed can only make edit requests and it's unlikely that page protection will be reduced. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 08:22, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

ClaudineChionh Not all contentious topic areas have the extended-confirmed restriction. 331dot (talk) 08:24, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Oops, fair point! — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 08:28, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I believe that we are not anyone to decide that article protection will be reduced or remain same, it's role of adminstrator and they must handle it. ⚡ VortexPhantom ⚡ (talk) 08:28, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

check my draft now is it ok or not brother.. Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 14:36, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Bhaskar sunsari I choose "not [to] bother." 🇵🇸🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 18:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Premature submit! We do not create new drafts when an article is locked. We request edits 🇵🇸🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 18:21, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

i understand sir please don't get angry with me but i an wanting to write a article about kushwaha community of Nepal so i was asking please check my darfts of kushwaha community of Nepal is ok and im extremely sorry if i have said anything wrong forgive me Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 18:26, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

We are not angry with you, but you are ignoring what we are telling you. You seem to be in a great hurry to do this. Why? 331dot (talk) 18:36, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Bhaskar sunsari, you are free to make edit requests at the foot of the talk page of the existing article. Tips: (i) Say either precisely what should be changed to precisely what, or precisely what should be added. (If you want material deleted, then say precisely what you want deleted, and why.) (ii) Provide reliable sources for the material you want included. (iii) Start with no more than three requests, and don't let the number of your open requests exceed three. (iv) There's no reason to address anyone as "sir" or "madam". -- Hoary (talk) 08:19, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Unable to check the article draft, but can you find references about the religion of India? SegmentYork390 (talk) 08:20, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

How can I be an admin?

So I thought that "being an admin" is when a Wiki-user has over 500 edited pages, but I don't know the admin criteria. Respond me if you got a problem! Joe bitten (talk) 09:00, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Joe bitten: WP:RIGHTS lists the access levels. The 30 days and 500 edits is the threshold for extended confirmed, which removes most of the editing restrictions. Why do you think you want to become an administrator? I'm inclined to say that anyone who comes to the teahouse asking this question isn't ready to consider requesting this role, and would do well to keep working away on Wikipedia articles and the many other tasks available to them. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 09:08, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Joe bitten, and welcome to the Teahouse. Admin rights are granted by the community to an editor who persuades them that there is good reason for them to have those rights. Part of that is showing that they have enough experience, familiarity with Wikipedia's policies etc; another part is showing that there is something they want to do in Wikipedia which requires admin tools.

I have been an editor in Wikipedia for nearly twenty years, and have made over 26 000 edits; but I have never requested admin rights, because the things that I want to do in Wikipedia do not require them. ColinFine (talk) 10:28, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

And that's a good thing. It is difficult, once you're an administrator, to keep being a good content editor and creator, because there is no end of tasks for administrators to do. The role is jokingly referred to as "janitor", but it's no joke, there are always messes to mop up, and they always seem urgent. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:04, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Joe bitten What do you feel that you might do as an admin that you are not doing toda? I have no problem in your asking about the role, that is how we learn. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 18:24, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Unable to have a wiki page approved.

Hi, I have an article of a coach but it wont get submitted. I can't understand why. "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:T._Dilip " is the URL Cartonfly (talk) 11:34, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

If you want to submit it, Cartonfly, click the so-called button that's marked "Resubmit". -- Hoary (talk) 11:57, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

3 questions

1. Proposal to permanently protect all administrator instruction pages. These pages are meant to guide administrators. They must be preserved to ensue best performance of the admins. As such, any edit here, except updates and corrections, must be kept out of these articles to prevent disruption, in other words, there's no legitmate reason to edit these pages, except in limited circumstances. When I wrote the message, the only articles were protected by my question was Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism/instructions, and Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism/Administrator instructions 2. Myth: Users that have customized signatures are desysopped administrators. Any truth? (I'm not a very smart person.) 3. How I do vote for deletion? (regular/speedy/proposed) CreatorTheWikipedian2009 (talk) 12:10, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

1. Pages are not protected proactively. 2. Some users with custom signatures are admins, some are former admins, most have never been admins. 3. Deletion processes are described here. Deletion discussions are not votes. --bonadea contributions talk 18:48, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @CreatorTheWikipedian2009, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I don't recommend asking several independent questions in one post, as you'll often find that some of them get missed.

However:

1. . We don't normally protect pages pre-emptively; but you are welcome to present your proposal at WP:VPR.
2. . I have never heard such a preposterous myth. Personally, I've never felt the slightest urge to customise my signature, and don't really understand why people want to; but if you search the archives of this page, you'll find plenty of newbies asking how to do so.
3. . You'll find all about the different deletion procedures at Deletion policy.

ColinFine (talk) 18:48, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

How do I propose something? Also, one more question, how I can get tools, that automatically help me with editing? CreatorTheWikipedian2009 (talk) 20:39, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

CreatorTheWikipedian2009, what specifically are you trying to propose? And what kind of editing help are you wanting a tool for? There are a number of ways to accomplish both depending on your specific objective. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 20:45, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

CreatorTheWikipedian2009, if you're thinking of proposing some change to page protection policy or criteria, please first reread the responses to your threads "About minimal amount of bad editing for protection" and "Arbitration Committee protection help", and also the friendly suggestion that BusterD made to you; and consider the possibility that you're keen to "flog a dead horse". My second amiable suggestion is that you make a few dozen substantive, reliably sourced improvements to Wikipedia articles. -- Hoary (talk) 21:56, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Display of images on Psoriatic arthritis

Hello, please could someone look at the above article, in the section "Imaging" and improve the way the images are displayed? I think it would be better not to have some as side align and others as centered gallery. Thank you, Moribundum (talk) 13:20, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Moribundum Part of the problem seems to be that the images have lengthy captions and I agree that the results are poor. That article has 148 page watchers, so I'm surprised that no-one has tackled this before. Perhaps you should make a proposal on the talk page or just be bold and change the layout as you think is best. WP:CAPTION has some advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

My User Page

Hello community. I have find out that this place can help me. My user page is in assending descending order mean its disruptive and hard to understand. Please anyone can help me in arrangements of my user page user boxes and sections. Thank you Tuifjhf (talk) 13:21, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Tuifjhf Welcome to the Teahouse. I've made some changes, which you can see here. The main trick is to use the templates {{Userboxtop}} and {{Userboxbottom}} to tidy things up. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:29, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. You made the Layout amazing. Can you please make more stylish and add more userboxes to my user page. Tuifjhf (talk) 13:33, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Also can you please add more items to my user page as other accounts user pages have like Infobox and recent changes section etc. Tuifjhf (talk) 13:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

The usual way to improve userpages is to look at some of the existing userboxes at WP:UBX/GALLERY. You need to choose your own: other people won't know what are relevant to you. Also, if you see somthing on another editor's page that you want to transfer to your own userpage, you can copy the source code. There's a tutorial at this help page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:46, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured topics/Almirante Latorre-class battleship

Wikipedia:Featured topics/Almirante Latorre-class battleship has all featured articles but it doesn’t show the symbol. How do you add the symbol showing if it has all the featured articles Thelifeofan413 (talk) 15:38, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured topics/Almirante Latorre-class battleship is a page in the Wikipedia name space and that page itself wouldn't be a featured article. That page just contains links to other featured articles, which do have the featured article symbol. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:58, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I understand. Thelifeofan413 (talk) 19:22, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

talk page merge notice is wrong?

Talk:Pale_Moon has a notice at the top that another article was deleted and merged into it, with the link being set as a redirect, but this doesn't seem true (the link that the notice claims to be a redirect just links to an existing article)
should i delete this notice from the talk page? Wojtekpolska1013 (talk) 16:36, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Basilisk was merged into Pale Moon in 2021, but then in April 2024 the article was completely rewritten from scratch. Yes, you can remove the merge notice. That discussion is already linked from Talk:Basilisk (web browser). ~Anachronist (talk) 18:54, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Wojtekpolska1013: The merge notice is part of the attribution for the merged content in [5]. I have modified the message.[6] PrimeHunter (talk) 19:11, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

new page

How do I create a new page? I'm a registered user, but new. Jenna1993 (talk) 16:41, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Jenna1993. We highly recommend that newer users do not dive right in to the very difficult task of creating a new article; imagine asking "how do I build a house" without knowing anything about land acquisition, permitting, obtaining supplies and labor, construction techniques, landscaping, etc. A lot goes into it. The same is with creating a new article. It's best to first learn more about Wikipedia by editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. Using the new user tutorial is a good idea too. These things will greatly increase your chances for successfully creating a new article.

However, if you still want to try it now, please first read Your First Article, and use the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft]]. 331dot (talk) 18:07, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Audiobook references

Hi everyone, I've been updating some articles about novels and authors, and I'm hoping to include audiobook details. Can anyone please tell me what form the citations should take, please? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 17:10, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

{{Cite AV media}} might be appropriate, although that's intended more for videos. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:46, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

How to reuse (intralink) data within article

Example, in the intro of the National Inventors Hall of Fame article a number is stated, e.g, "623 inventors". How can I automatically reuse that number in the article's infobox? The current method relies on manual editing. I want to remove that risk of omission by coding the reuse of a number or a string.TomStonehunter (talk) 19:31, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi TomStonehunter, welcome to the Teahouse. This is not possible unless the number is stored in another page like a template. We don't do that for a simple number which is only used in one article. It would be possible with mw:Extension:Variables but that extension is unwanted in Wikimedia wikis. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:59, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Aftershock PC and Ashton Hall

Hello,

I created a page Aftershock PC and it has a tag that reads "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (March 2025)."

I had a connection to the subject, which I fully disclosed. After making several edits with the help of some kind editors here, the article was eventually published. So, could you please advise on how to remove this tag?

On the other hand, I tried creating an article Draft:Ashton Hall (fitness influencer) which got moved to draft. May I please know the exact issue with the page? Btw, I have no connection to the subject whatsoever. Repsjared (talk) 21:42, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Repsjared, Melcous wrote about the "fitness influencer": "not ready for mainspace - notability not demonstrated, use WP:AFC process to submit for review". So check that it does satisfy WP:PERSON, and when you believe it does so, submit it via WP:AFC. -- Hoary (talk) 22:01, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt response. I really appreciate. Repsjared (talk) 22:05, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Repsjared, I see in the article on the tailored computer setup vendor: |last1=published |first1=Australian PC Awards. This is distinctly strange. Please read Template:Cite web/doc on "lastn" and "firstn". -- Hoary (talk) 22:12, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Hoary Thanks again for the response! I will do as advised. Repsjared (talk) 22:16, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I have applied all the changes, thanks again for the advice! I also wanted to mention that the reference name errors appeared by default when searching for links—I just had no idea I needed to remove them. Repsjared (talk) 22:38, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for your response Hoary. @Repsjared As well as WP:NBIO, I would suggest particularly looking at WP:NTEMP and WP:SUSTAINED - an influencer who as "gone viral" for one specific thing within the last month flags the notability question around whether an article is WP:TOOSOON. As has been said already, using the WP:AFC process is the best way for this to be determined. Melcous (talk) 23:52, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, I really appreciate @Melcous. I completely understand you. Maybe, I will leave the article to sit on my draft for a little while I work on other subjects of interest. Repsjared (talk) 00:03, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Is there a way to see a list of articles tagged with "inappropriate person"?

I know that Category:Wikipedia articles with style issues has a list of articles with many different style-related tags, including inappropriate person, but is there a list with just articles tagged with "inappropriate person"? Thanks JohnLaurens333 (need something?) 22:38, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Wow. That's interesting (and inappropriate). 518 uses. Likely some form of long term vandal. (D'oh!) Thanks for speaking up about it. BusterD (talk) 22:48, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

One legitimate use is to call out an article if it's written in the First person or Second person as in Grammatical person. Both 1st and 2nd would be inappropriate ways to write in Wikipedia articlespace. Such usages are both common in talkspace or other discussion spaces. BusterD (talk) 22:52, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Here's a link to the template: Template:Inappropriate person. It's listed on a longer template of frequently used templates. It doesn't refer to individuals, but to articles written from an incorrect perspective. BusterD (talk) 23:03, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

How to start an article move discussion

How do I start a move discussion for an article? Like with the Requested move notice template. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 23:24, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@RedactedHumanoid: Simply follow the instructions at WP:RSPM. Deor (talk) 23:57, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 00:58, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

John Shahidi

I noticed the page for John Shahidi John Shahidi

is deleted and redirected to a company page. this seems like an error as there are so many references and articles on this podcaster Larryshamblin (talk) 00:18, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Larryshambmin Hello and welcome. The whole url is not needed when linking, I've fixed this. The article was changed to a redirect as a result of the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Shahidi (2nd nomination). 331dot (talk) 00:28, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

seems like this page got deleted per the talk because he is a "Trump Supporter". Larryshamblin (talk) 00:43, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Can anyone help me check whether my edit violates WP:DUE and WP:NPOV

I added this edit recently, which another editor thought it may have violated WP:DUE and removed. But I don't see how it violates, as the incident (causing backlash against the subject) is presented by sources (I cited newspaper) from Hong Kong and Macau (I just found two additional Taiwan reports, haven't added them yet), so I believed the incident is in wide coverage from reliable, published sources. Also, the editor thought I address this as an incident violates WP:NPOV, which I also have no idea how it violates (the sources state it as incident)?

I decide to discuss this with the editor, but before I reach consensus with them, I want to make sure I do not violate WP:DUE and WP:NPOV (I am still confused). So, I would like some help to provide me another perspective. Thanks a lot EleniXDD※Talk 02:23, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Fire at New Mexico Republican Party Headquarters

Hello, I have just submitted a draft for review titled Draft:Fire at New Mexico Republican Party headquarters. I would like some feedback from experienced editors. Can anyone check my draft to see if it's notable enough to become an article? Editorthatedits (talk) 02:29, 31 March 2025 (UTC)