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Max Verstappen In motorsport, Max Verstappen (pictured) wins the Formula One World Championship. Following parliamentary elections, the Seimas elects Gintautas Paluckas as the prime minister of Lithuania. The International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, former Israeli defense minister Yoav Gallant, and Hamas leader Mohammed Deif in its investigation of war crimes in Palestine. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of Lebanon Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Nikki Kaye Breyten Breytenbach Alice Brock Rico Carty Chia-ying Yeh Fred R. Harris view — page history — related changes — edit

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November 27

Portal:Current events/2024 November 27

November 27, 2024 (2024-11-27) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon 2024 Israel–Lebanon ceasefire agreement The ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah takes effect, marking an end to the 14-month conflict in Lebanon. (Reuters) (BBC) Syrian civil war Northwestern Aleppo offensive (2024) Syrian opposition forces led by Tahrir al-Sham launch a military offensive on pro-government Syrian Arab Army forces in western Aleppo Governorate, capturing 11 towns and villages. (Al Jazeera), (SOHR) Law and crime Rohingya genocide, war crimes during the Myanmar civil war (2021–present) The Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, Karim Ahmad Khan, has requested an arrest warrant for Myanmar's military leader and Chairman of the State Administration Council, Min Aung Hlaing, for crimes against humanity of deportation and persecution of the Rohingya. (The Guardian) Politics and elections 2024 Namibian general election Namibians vote in the first round between 14 candidates for a President, and for the 96 elected members of the National Assembly. (AP) (DW) Indonesians are to vote for governors, regents, and mayors in the first simultaneous local elections. (CNN Indonesia)

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2024 WBSC Premier12 Championship

Article: 2024 WBSC Premier12 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In baseball, Chinese Taipei wins the 2024 WBSC Premier12. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera RFi AFP Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Meganinja202 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

 Meganinja202 (talk) 08:06, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• This is not in WP:ITNR. I'm unmarking that.—Bagumba (talk) 08:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  No problem, I am not used with templates, so i added that by accident Meganinja202 (talk) 08:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. This article needs a game summary for this. Moraljaya67 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Importance is unclear; article contains practically no prose. Black Kite (talk) 12:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose both on quality and importance. The article has almost no prose, just tables and lists. This is a new competition (only the third time held) with highly questionable significance. The rosters are full of minor league and free agent players; players in the world's top leagues did not take part. There seems to have been little interest from broadcasters or mainstream media. I don't see a case for posting this, let alone adding it to ITNR (as proposed on the talk page). Modest Genius ^talk 13:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

(Duplicate, closed) 2024 Israel–Hezbollah ceasefire agreement

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Article: 2024 Israel–Hezbollah ceasefire agreement (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israel and Lebanon agree to a six-day ceasfire (Post)

Per https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/11/27/world/israel-hezbollah-lebanon-cease-fire JayCubby Talk 12:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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November 26

Portal:Current events/2024 November 26

November 26, 2024 (2024-11-26) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon 2024 Israel–Hezbollah ceasefire agreement The Security Cabinet of Israel agrees to a 60-day ceasefire in Lebanon. (CNN) (The Times of Israel) U.S President Joe Biden announces that the ceasefire has been accepted. (CNBC) For the first time since the start of the conflict, the Israeli military issues evacuation orders for central Beirut, warning residents of four neighbourhoods to leave as soon as possible. (The Times of Israel) Airstrikes are carried out by the Israeli Air Force across several areas of Beirut, Lebanon, hitting at least 20 locations and resulting in several casualties. (Euronews) Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine Battle of Kurakhove Russian forces enter the city of Kurakhove in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, with heavy fighting reportedly underway. (Al Arabiya) Somali Civil War Puntland–Somaliland dispute Spillover of the Las Anod conflict Somaliland imposes a curfew following a clash between soldiers and civilians that resulted in nine deaths and many injuries in Erigavo, Sanaag, Somaliland. (Idil News) (Hiiraan Online) (Horseed Media) Arrest of Imran Khan Six people, including four paramilitary soldiers, are killed in clashes between security forces and supporters of former Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan in Islamabad. The protesters, led by Khan's Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party, are calling for Khan's immediate release from prison. (Reuters) Unidentified gunmen ambush a group of motorcycle taxis returning from a religious ceremony in Bria, Haute-Kotto, Central African Republic, killing 10 people. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024 Red Sea tourist boat disaster Four people are found dead and five others are rescued from a tourist boat that sank yesterday off the coast of Marsa Alam, Red Sea Governorate, Egypt. Seven others are still missing. (The Guardian) Winter of 2024–25 in the Gaza Strip A winter storm floods refugee camps across the Gaza Strip, leading to several thousands of shelters being damaged or destroyed, and worsening refugee exposure to cold and illness. (Reuters) Five people are killed and 20 others are reported missing when a motorboat capsizes in Warri, Delta State, Nigeria. (Reuters) Five people are killed and another is in critical condition when a Cessna 206 Stationair aircraft crashes into the Pico Blanco mountain near San José, Costa Rica. (DW) (The Tico Times) Law and crime Censorship in Iraq The Iraqi Ministry of Communications blocks access to the IMDb website, citing concerns of "immoral content". (Intellinews) (Shafaq News) LGBT rights in Hong Kong Chief justice Andrew Cheung of the Hong Kong Court of Final Appeal rules to uphold housing and inheritance rights for same-sex couples in the city. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections The Bangladesh Police fire tear gas at more than 2,000 Hindus protesting in Chittagong, Bangladesh, against the arrest of a Hindu leader and ISKCON monk on sedition charges yesterday. (Hindustan Times) (Al Jazeera) Science and technology Japanese space program JAXA aborts an Epsilon S engine test after a fire occurs at the Tanegashima Space Center in Kagoshima Prefecture, Japan. (DW) (CNA) Social media platform Bluesky says it will comply with rules set by the European Union after being accused of violating digital regulations under the Digital Services Act. (Luxemburg Times) (Bloomberg)

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RD: Earl Holliman

Article: Earl Holliman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. Death announced on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Support no quality issues. Aydoh8^[contribs] 00:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Israel-Lebanon Ceasefire

Article: 2024 Israel–Lebanon ceasefire agreement (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israel and Lebanon agree to a 60-day ceasefire agreement to halt the war in Lebanon (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Isreal and Hezbollah agree to a a 60-day ceasefire agreement to halt the the war in Lebanon
News source(s): CBS
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: A ceasefire agreement between the two countries is expected to enter into force tomorrow. Article seems decent. — Knightoftheswords 20:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support A major development. If the ceasefire agreement is actually implemented in the manner claimed by Netanyahu and Biden, it would mean the reclamation of control by the Lebanese army and effectively the end of Hezbollah military dominance in most of southern Lebanon. I am fine to wait until tomorrow if necessary to see if the ceasefire agreement is ultimately accepted by all parties - but assuming it is successfully entered into, then this should be posted. Flip^andFlopped ツ 20:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality only. The background has far too much focus on the conflict where this should use summaries more and point to relevant pages via main/seealso templates. There should be more on the past efforts to organize a ceasefire, including nations involved (here, this being US and France). Masem (t) 21:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support First ceasefire since the start of the conflict over a year ago, and is a major development of the conflict. TheHiddenCity (talk) 22:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

•Support Regardless if the attempted ceasefire is successful or not. This is a historical development to the conflict. Rager7 (talk) 23:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Support per above. This is a major development in the conflict, even if the conflict itself is covered by ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Support - suggest Alt Blurb Shouldn't it technically be a ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah (not lebanon) this is how most RS are noting it. Schwinnspeed (talk) 03:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for ceasefire to formally go into effect, then support altblurb per Schwinnspeed. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  It formally went into effect two hours ago. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 04:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Alt blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support original blurb, not alt blurb. CNN reports "Israel and Lebanon have accepted a US-backed proposal"[1]. Lebanon is a party to this agreement (as noted in the article itself), and the Lebanese army taking control south of the Litani is a major part of this agreement. L'Orient Today, a major Lebanese newspaper, also presented the full text of the "cease-fire agreement between Israel and Lebanon"[2], and several points of the agreement relate specifically to the Lebanese government.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 05:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Vice regent:: The vast majority of reliable news sources specify Hezbollah in their headlines, here are just a few: Washington Post, New York Times, BBC, Reuters, [NBC]. It feels like an important distinction for ITN. Schwinnspeed (talk) 05:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  Firstly, headlines are not reliable. Secondly, plenty of sources characterize this as "Israel and Lebanon" ceasefire: Atlantic Council, UN news, Politico, Axios, LA Times etc. Thirdly, looking deeper into the sources makes it clear that the Israeli government, Lebanese government and Hezbollah leadership are all parties to this agreement. One could argue that "Lebanon" is accurate, since all Hezbollah members are Lebanese citizens. Some potential compromises would be to say "Israel and Lebanon, including Hezbollah, agree to..." or "The Israeli and Lebanese governments, and Hezbollah agree to..." VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 08:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - if there was an armistice, but given the history of ceasefires in past conflicts, this may not be that significant. Especially with reports that Israel warning Lebanese civilians not to return to the south. In the meantime, this is covered by ongoing. Nfitz (talk) 05:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Also, the article to link for the current war in Lebanon should be 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, as per consensus here.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 05:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support A possible flagpole of the war. ArionStar (talk) 12:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Blurb I: Historic end to Hezbollah's control of the south (for now at least) Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jim Abrahams

Article: Jim Abrahams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: part of the Zucker, Abrahams, Zucker trio that produced comedy films like Airplane! Article needs more sources Masem (t) 19:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for now as nom said, the article is in need of more sources and is currently orange tagged. If these issues are fixed, please ping me and I will change my vote accordingly. Aydoh8^[contribs] 00:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: John Tinniswood

Article: John Tinniswood (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [[3]], [[4]]
Credits:

• Nominated by Julius Barclay (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: World's oldest man, oldest surviving World War II Veteran, died Monday aged 112. Was oldest man since 29 June 2024. Julius Barclay (talk) 15:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support RIP. No quality issues that I could find. Aydoh8^[contribs] 00:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Meets ITN standards. No citation issues or anything like that. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 04:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Notable, no issues, Article in the news, so postable. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 11:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jan Furtok

Article: Jan Furtok (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Polish Radio
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The article could be easily expanded, doesn't convey nearly enough that he was one of Poland’s best ever players. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Support no immediate quality issues. Aydoh8^[contribs] 00:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Insufficient depth of coverage, needs expansion in prose. Spencer^T•C 04:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose For someone who played for the national team for nearly ten years, the career section is quite short. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

November 25

Portal:Current events/2024 November 25

November 25, 2024 (2024-11-25) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Haitian crisis The United Nations orders its staff to evacuate from Port-au-Prince, Haiti, as clashes between armed gangs, police, and civilian vigilantes escalate in the city. Nonprofit organization Food for the Poor also ceases operations in Haiti due to gang disruptions. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy German economic crisis Germany's largest steelmaker conglomerate ThyssenKrupp announces plans to layoff 11,000 workers, including 5,000 in Europe, by 2030. (DW) Disasters and accidents 2024–25 Australian region cyclone season Sixteen people are killed and six others are missing in flash floods caused by Tropical Low 01U in Sumatra, Indonesia. (AP) (The Irish Examiner) 2024 Red Sea tourist boat disaster Sixteen people are missing and 28 others are rescued after a boat carrying tourists sinks off the coast of Marsa Alam, Red Sea Governorate, Egypt. (BBC News) Swiftair Flight 5960 One crew member is killed and three others are injured when a DHL Boeing 737-400F cargo plane operated by Swiftair crashes into the ground near a residential building while approaching Vilnius Airport in Lithuania. No one on the ground is injured. (Reuters) (DW) Nine migrants, including six children, are killed and 39 others are rescued from a shipwreck off the coast of Samos, Greece. (Al Jazeera) (The Express Tribune) International relations Afghanistan–Russia relations Secretary of the Security Council of Russia Sergei Shoigu pledges Russia's intent to build closer ties with the Taliban Government of Afghanistan, and states that the United States should lead rebuilding efforts due to its part in the War in Afghanistan. (Reuters) Foreign ministers of the G7 nations hold a meeting in Fiuggi and Anagni, Italy, to discuss ceasefire efforts between Israel and Lebanon as well as the International Criminal Court's arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas military chief Mohammed Deif. (Digital Journal) Law and crime Censorship in Australia Australian Parliament vetoes a bill that would authorize the Australian Communications and Media Authority to implement detailed surveillance on digital platforms and enforce anti-misinformation punitive measures on them, which opposition politicians condemn as "censorship laws" and a betrayal to democracy. (AP) Indictments against Donald Trump U.S. federal judge Tanya Chutkan of the District Court for the District of Columbia dismisses the two criminal cases by Jack Smith against President-elect Donald Trump, including the classified documents case and the case involving Trump's efforts to overturn his defeat to President Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election. (CBS News) (Politico) Five people are killed in a mass shooting in Saint Andrew, Kingston, Jamaica. (AP) Politics and elections 2024 Jubaland presidential election The Jubaland House of Representatives re-elects incumbent President Ahmed Madobe for the third time amid tensions with the Somali federal government that resulted in armed forces being deployed to Kamboni, Badhadhe District, Lower Juba, Somalia. (AFP) (Garowe Online) (The Eastleigh Voice) Science and technology Microsoft reports widespread outages across Outlook, Teams, and other 365 programs. The outages are later resolved during the evening. (Forbes) (CNN) Sports In auto racing, Formula One announces that General Motors will join the grid as a constructor under the Cadillac Team beginning in the 2026 season. (Formula 1) (Front Office Sports) In cricket, batter Vaibhav Suryavanshi becomes the youngest player to sign with the Indian Premier League at the age of 13. (DW) (Hindustan Times) The World Chess Championship 2024 starts in Singapore with Ding Liren winning with black against Gukesh Dommaraju. (FIDE)

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(Ready) RD: Mike Hasenfratz

Article: Mike Hasenfratz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5][6]
Credits:

• Nominated by Flibirigit (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Pyropylon98 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former referee in the National Hockey League Flibirigit (talk) 02:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Short but adequate. No serious issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  Working on expansion. Flibirigit (talk) 19:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks good enough. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Nikki Kaye

Article: Nikki Kaye (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Former National minister Nikki Kaye dies, aged 44
Credits:

• Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former New Zealand MP; died aged 44 from cancer. Date of death is not known yet. Schwede66 01:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Significant amount of CN tags. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 02:57, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support I have added some references to all but one of the CN tags to improve verifiability. Think article is in good enough shape now. Kiwichris (talk) 05:10, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Support one outstanding CN tag but I guess we could just remove it if we can't find a source for it. Aydoh8^[contribs] 00:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 04:03, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Swiftair 737 crashes in Lithuania

Article: Swiftair Flight 5960 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Swiftair Boeing 737 (accident aircraft pictured) crashes near Vilnius Airport, Lithuania, killing one pilot. (Post)
News source(s): BBC FlightGlobal CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Aydoh8 (talk · give credit)
• Created by RandomInfinity17 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Very rare to see an airliner crashing in Europe. No immediate quality issues apart from a UGS tag which could easily be fixed. Edit: it appears to have been fixed. Aydoh8^[contribs] 00:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd support this as a testament to the development of airliner crash safety; ten were involved in a crash of a cargo airliner and only one lost their life. Oppose for now because only one person died. Maybe if this becomes a wider incident like the 737 plague it'd be notable but as it is we're to a point where (at least in my opinion) large airplane crashes are not blurb-worthy. Departure– (talk) 01:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose low number of fatalities/injuries as this was a cargo plane and does not seem like a systemic issue that would cause scrutiny of the aircraft line. Natg 19 (talk) 01:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose good faith nom. Only a single fatality and the long term significance of this event is doubtful. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Thankfully a comparatively minor incident with low casualties. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Seems unlikely to be posted but it's in the news and we have a decent article about it. Attracted international coverage. AusLondonder (talk) 12:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose good faith nom but only 1 fatality and pretty much everything above The AP (talk) 17:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Support it was a cargo plane, the only people on board where the pilots, casualties shouldn't be what keeps this from being posted. Article is of high quality, and this is getting global coverage in the news.

It's a Boeing 737 crash, that alone should warrant inclusion. Scuba 20:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - seems relatively minor in the great scheme of things. No prejudice on relisting if it turns out to be a Russian terror attack or something. Nfitz (talk) 05:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Trump Charges Dismissed

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Article: Indictments against Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ All remaining Federal criminal charges against US president-elect Donald Trump are dismissed. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ All remaining Federal criminal charges against US president-elect Donald Trump are dismissed without prejudice due to presidential immunity.
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Under normal circumstances I would not make or support this nomination. However, most of the indictments were posted on ITN against the very strong objection of some editors both on BLP grounds and the fact that it was contrary to our customary practice of only posting convictions. Under the circumstances, I think we need to take note of what is probably their final disposition. It is receiving front page coverage both in the US and abroad. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC) -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

I have struck my original blurb in favor of the alt which is much better. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

two wrongs don't make a right — hako9 (talk) 23:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

True, but this is probably as close as we can get. The indictments should never have been posted and it is my sincere hope that we never do anything like that again. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - consequence of a story we already posted, Trump winning the presidential election. The idea that a truly unprecedented event, a former president being indicted on criminal charges, should not have been posted is both a personal opinion and not relevant to whether or not this story should be posted. nableezy - 23:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

If you are going to post that someone is charged with a crime, and we certainly would have (and in one case correctly did) post any convictions, why would we not post the dismissal of the charges? (Unless the decisions involved were heavily motivated by a strong animus or a desire to right great wrongs.) -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Besides the utter lack of AGF in that parentheses, the reason is that one thing was unprecedented and treated as such across the globe, and the other is a predictable consequence of what we already posted. I wont return the favor of failing to AGF in making unsubstantiated claims about the motives of this nomination. And also, despite the claim that there is a probable final disposition of this story here, the charges were dismissed without prejudice, allowing them to be re-filed when Trumps presidency comes to an end. nableezy - 00:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

So basically we can announce criminal indictments on the main page of one of the most trafficked websites in the world, and quietly ignore it when they go away? The fact that he was an ex-president is neither here nor there. He was entitled to the basic protections of BLP and we set aside our very longstanding practice of only posting convictions. And FTR my opinion of Donald Trump is unprintable. But I do believe in basic fairness, even for people I detest. I'm not going to relitigate what happened beyond that it was an egregious error that should not be compounded. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

It is here and there, that was an unprecedented event in US history. And sources treated it as such. The basic protections of BLP are to not say anything untrue about a public figure, and he was indicted. There was zero BLP issue in saying that. I dgaf what our very longstanding practice is, there is nothing in BLP that says we should not include what is verifiably true. And there is nothing in any guideline that says one of the biggest news stories of the year should not be on our front page section of In the News. BLP does not mean, and has never meant, we cannot include anything negative about a living person, it means we write conservatively and accurately. It was indisputably true that Donald Trump was indicted in several criminal cases and that he was the first former US president in history to have been indicted. There is 0 BLP issue in saying that, not in an article and not on the front page. nableezy - 00:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose was foregone conclusion as soon as Trump was named the winner. Also a subtlety is that they are being dropped without prejudice, meaning they could be brought up once he is out of office, so it's not the true end of the story. Masem (t) 00:21, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  It was a forgone conclusion that Trump was going to face criminal indictments. We posted them anyway. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  No it wasn't, we had no way to predict how the grand jury, and Smith's subsequent actions, would go, because they didn't discuss them in public until court filings. Trump said numerous times that he would make the cases go away as president, and the DOJ has a standing policy that they cannot go after a sitting president, so that this happened like this was of zero surprise.. Only that Smith volunteered to end it before Trump took office might not have been part of it but the net result was. Masem (t) 00:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Strong oppose current blurb If Trump's charges were dismissed on the merits or he was explicitly found not guilty, that would be one thing. Here, however, the blurb is actively misleading: the current phrasing, by omission, makes it sound like the case against Trump was dismissed on the merits. In fact, the opposite is true: the government initiated the motion to dismiss on a without prejudice basis while maintaining the strength of its case. The sole and only reason for this is the constitutional prohibition on prosecuting a sitting president. Per the Government's motion to dismiss: the dismissal "does not turn on the gravity of the crimes charged, the strength of the government's proof, or the merits of the prosecution, which the government stands fully behind". Flip^andFlopped ツ 00:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  Fair point. I tend to try and keep blurbs succinct but have no objections to an alt blurb if you would care to propose one. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:42, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

And a fair response, Ad Orientem. I have added an alt blurb. I soft support alt blurb. On the one hand, I think that this a foregone conclusion: if he won, this was always going to happen. On the other hand, I am generally an inclusionist when it comes to things making global headlines going on ITN. Given that we posted the indictment, I am inclined to support for reasons of balance. Flip^andFlopped ツ 00:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Upon further review of the target article, I oppose on quality grounds per Andrew Davidson. The target article doesn't contain sufficient explanation & updated information corresponding to the info communicated in the blurb. Flip^andFlopped ツ 15:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for now per all above. Maybe I'd support if he actually went to prison in this time. Departure– (talk) 01:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per MASEM. The process leading to the dismissal of charges was perhaps unexpected, but the fact of the matter is, the ultimate result of these cases with Trump as the sitting president likely wouldn't have had much actual impact, and I'd say the lack of a verdict is of even less impact in the end. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above. The Kip ^(contribs) 06:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose for the same reasons the 1 July 2024 SCOTUS decision on presidential immunity. Trump winning the presidential election is noteworthy, while this doesn't have the notability for ITN. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 15:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Procedurally, there's zero mention of this blurb at the bolded target.—Bagumba (talk) 07:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The nominated article has not been updated. And that article covers multiple proceedings and some are still open or are now proceeding to sentencing. We shouldn't run a headline saying that all charges have been dismissed when it's more complex than that. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above - wasn't this closed ? The AP (talk) 17:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose why is this still open? Scuba 20:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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(Closed) 2024 Sambhal Violence, Uttar Pradesh, India

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Article: 2024 Sambhal Violence (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 4 people died and 30 injuries(20 police), Violent clashes in Uttar Pradesh, India (Post)
News source(s): BBC Indiatoday Timesofindia Economic Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)

 Spworld2(talk) 17:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

changed RD box to normal ITN box --2600:1700:4579:B80:9D1C:5ECE:9EEB:47FD (talk) 10:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Without expansion, this seems like a small flare up in a country where such protests and conflicts are commonplace. --Masem (t) 13:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Sad to say but such violence and riots are common in India; additionally, it is a small flare-up with only 4 deaths, thus not not worthy of ITN The AP (talk) 13:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above. Tragic, but commonplace in a country like India. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Undecided on the nom but do we really need three comments belittling the world's largest democracy and trivialising the deaths as "only 4" in a "country like India"? AusLondonder (talk) 14:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  we are stating facts and not because it is “the world's largest democracy” we are not going to give it a special notoriety if they are recurrent events in that country. It is the same parameter we use to judge shootings in the United States or earthquakes in the Philippines. Since this is not a news-ticket portal, we should value it more for notoriety than for newsworthiness. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  WP is not a newspaper and not every event, even those involving deaths, necessary need coverage, much less inclusion on the main page. How likely is this going to have enduring coverage and not just a burst of news? — Masem (t) 15:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  I am an Indian myself, and I don't find any interpretation of any comment that is "belittling" the "world's largest democracy." Even though the incident is tragic, it has a low number of fatalities; as such, I didn't find it worthy for ITN. Also to note - such incidents are common and recurring in India sadly so we can't possibly include each of them to ITN The AP (talk) 15:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft oppose I'm not seeing this being reported outside of Indian news sources. It's terrible that people have died, but I just don't think this is a major enough event to warrant ITN posting. Scuba 16:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

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2024 Uruguayan general election

Article: 2024 Uruguayan general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Yamandú Orsi and the Broad Front wins the runoff to the 2024 Uruguayan general election against Álvaro Delgado and the Republican Coalition. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Yamandú Orsi (pictured) is elected president of Uruguay
News source(s): Al Jazeera AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
• Created by Fadesga (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gbuvn (talk · give credit), Fadesga (talk · give credit), Loveisamoracle (talk · give credit), Segagustin (talk · give credit) and Spaastm (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I believe this is ITN/R as both a change in the president (according to AP News) and as the results of a general election. Please let me know if I'm missing something; thanks! Staraction (talk | contribs) 03:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment Álvaro Delgado is a disambiguation link. I think you mean Álvaro Delgado (politician). 64.114 etc 04:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Fixed - thanks. Staraction (talk | contribs) 07:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose very little prose on campaign and aftermath. The Kip ^(contribs) 06:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Second half of the article is almost entirely tables. Needs more prose to be suitable for ITN. Flip^andFlopped ツ 07:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft oppose the article only has a one sentence aftermath section and is mostly tables. It is ITN/R, so once that is cleaned up I'll change my vote. Scuba 16:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Breyten Breytenbach

Article: Breyten Breytenbach (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
Credits:

• Nominated by Plifal (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Laterthanyouthink (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nominator's comments: Important anti-apartheid activist and poet laureate. – Plifal (talk) 17:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Citation needed tags are in place. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:16, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft support I only see one CN tag. Scuba 16:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Properly cited. His works are their own citations. Bremps... 20:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Support I have added significantly to this article since yesterday, and although there is no doubt more that could be added, I think it's ready to go. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Support The article is ready for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support. No citation needed tags when I looked just a few minutes ago. Putting this onto the main page might lead to some much-needed improvement... -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 21:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  Note: I've cleaned up the major mess I made, leaving the secondary sources I'd added before suddenly getting terribly confused while reading about translingualism and abandoning a language to write in another... -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 00:22, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Seems adequate to me, no CN Tags. Flip^andFlopped ツ 22:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 04:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

November 24

Portal:Current events/2024 November 24

November 24, 2024 (2024-11-24) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon 2024 Basta airstrikes The death toll from yesterday's airstrike in Basta, Beirut, Lebanon, increases to 29 with 67 others injured. (Al Jazeera) 2024 Tyre airstrikes Israeli artillery targets a Lebanese Army base in Tyre District, Lebanon, killing one soldier and injuring 18 others. (Reuters) Hezbollah launches over 300 missiles at Israel, targeting the Ashdod Naval Base in Ashdod for the first time and injuring eleven people. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least six people are killed in Israeli attacks across the Gaza Strip, one in the Nuseirat refugee camp, two in the Maghazi refugee camp, and three in Rafah. The Israel Defense Forces issue a new evacuation order in Shuja'iyya, Gaza City. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime 2024 Pakistani general election, Arrest of Imran Khan Pakistani police arrest thousands of supporters of jailed former Prime Minister Imran Khan ahead of a planned protest to demand for the release of Khan and other members of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party, along with the resignation of the current government. The capital city of Pakistan, Islamabad, is placed under a security lockdown before the protest takes place. (DW) (RNZ) Death of Zvi Kogan Missing Israeli-Moldovan rabbi Zvi Kogan is found murdered in the United Arab Emirates, with three Uzbek nationals later arrested for the murder. (The New York Times) (The Washington Times) LGBTQ rights in Russia Russian President Vladimir Putin signs a bill into law banning the adoption of Russian children by citizens of countries where gender transition is legal. The bill also outlaws material that promotes childlessness. (AP) Masrour Barzani, the Prime Minister of Kurdistan Region, Iraq, vehemently criticizes Iraq's proposed legislation to lower the legal age of marriage to nine, labeling it a severe regression in women's rights. (Al Arabiya) Six people are killed and five others are injured after a mass shooting at a bar in Villahermosa, Tabasco, Mexico. (AP) An unidentified gunman injures three police officers near the Israeli embassy in Amman, Jordan, before being shot dead. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2024 Romanian presidential election The first round of the presidential elections in Romania takes place, to determine which two candidates will compete against each other in the second round on December 8. (Euronews) Independent candidate Călin Georgescu and Save Romania Union candidate Elena Lasconi win the first round and pass onto the second round on 8 December. (Libertatea) 2024 Uruguayan general election Uruguayans vote in the second round of the general election to elect a president between Yamandú Orsi and Álvaro Delgado. (Reuters) The ruling National Party concedes defeat as Broad Front candidate Yamandú Orsi wins the election with 52% of the vote. Over 5% of the votes were invalid, a record high for Uruguay. (DW) (TIME) 2024 Swiss referendums Residents of Switzerland vote on four national issues, including a highly debated expansion programme for national highways. (The Federal Council) (Swiss Info) Swiss voters approve of a measure to institute a new healthcare model, while rejecting measures to build larger motorways, institute easier evictions, and stricter regulations on subletting properties. (SwissInfo) (Euronews) Censorship in Israel The government of Israel approves a resolution to cut ties with and impose sanctions on the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, after the newspaper ran "many articles that hurt the legitimacy of the State of Israel and its right to self-defence". (Al Jazeera) Sports 2024 ATP Tour 2024 Davis Cup In tennis, Italy wins their third Davis Cup title after Matteo Berrettini and Jannik Sinner defeat Botic van de Zandschulp and Tallon Griekspoor of the Netherlands in the final. (The Athletic) 2024 World Rally Championship In rally motorsport, Thierry Neuville of Hyundai wins the World Rally Drivers' Championship at Rally Japan, his first world title in the sport. (France 24)

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RD: Colin Renfrew

Article: Colin Renfrew (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:98F0:B089:1413:EFBE (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British archaeologist. 240F:7A:6253:1:98F0:B089:1413:EFBE (talk) 06:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Article needs major ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Bruce Thompson (Georgia politician)

Article: Bruce Thompson (Georgia politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 17:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Pretty close, however only has 1 sentence about what he accomplished in each of his political roles ("Thompson became the chair of the economic development and tourism committee" and "Thompson's office reported finding $105 million of unremitted state money which should have been turned over to the state treasury in August 2023".) Not sure if there's anything that can be added for additional depth? Spencer^T•C 03:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Barbara Taylor Bradford

Article: Barbara Taylor Bradford (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British-American novelist Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft support: Adaptations uncited, two cn tags, and a bit of a prose problem, but otherwise the article looks fine. Scuba 16:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose No need to be so soft with it. Two CN tags, and a completely unsourced Selected works section mean that this article needs work before it can be posted. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 19:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• support I've fixed the cn tags and have added references to all the selected works listed Lajmmoore (talk) 23:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per article quality. SerialNumber54129 23:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Rico Carty

Article: Rico Carty (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 17:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Several sentences still require the usual. Post-Posting Support, Resolved. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Midori No Sora; should be solved :). Kline • talk • contribs 14:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support - looks good now! ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks fine. Scuba 16:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 17:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

COP29

Article: 2024 United Nations Climate Change Conference (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ COP29 concludes with an agreement on finance for developing nations to help them address and mitigate climate change. (Post)
News source(s): NYT, Reuters, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by Arcahaeoindris (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kirkylad (talk · give credit) and Toghrul R (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Neither the conference nor our article seem impressive but we should consider the topic while we are planning to promote multiple motor racing events (1, 2, 3). It's certainly in the news and significant. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

What relevance do the Motorsports items have to this, beyond ye olde “sports r dumb” comment? The Kip ^(contribs) 09:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

They all use fossil fuels. The conference agreed a statement about transitioning away from fossil fuels despite opposition from countries like Saudi Arabia. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Ugh, this is irrelevant to whether this conference should get posted or not. We should be considering each event individually on their own merits. I am personally neutral on this nomination, as I do not know much about COP. Natg 19 (talk) 10:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

FYI, the similar COP28 conference was posted last year. See nomination. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Which at least was a commitment to direct action to reduce factors impacting climate change. Funding aspects like this year's is not a direct action. Masem (t) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

So true dude... we should outlaw all motorsports because Palau said so or something idk. Scuba 18:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Article looks good and well cited. Moraljaya67 (talk)
• Oppose on quality, at least. Article may be well sourced but is a mess in terms of tenses (a lot of future tense). In terms of significance, I'm not sure if this result is really as impactful as something like the Paris agreement to merit posting. --Masem (t) 13:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose on quality per above. I'm neutral, leaning support on notability. The title really should be COP29 though, Climate Change has always and will always be brought here only to not be posted. Departure– (talk) 14:06, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Fixed the headline. Brandmeister^talk 14:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Have we posted COP before? Scuba 15:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Scu ba Yes, indeed we have done it in several occasions, including last year, in 2021 and in 2015. Oltrepier (talk) 15:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

  Okay, then I'll vote Support, article is of high enough quality, and there is precedent. Scuba 15:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support: as much as the final result of this conference feels extremely disappointing, the COPs are still one of the most important tools national delegations and associations have to negotiate on plans aimed to help our planet and its ecosystems survive. So, yeah, I think they should be addressed even when progress is not so significant. By the way, I'll try to go through the article myself to correct the grammar, as suggested by Masem. Oltrepier (talk) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

  Right, I've tried to get the article in better shape, and I think I should have solved all of the most glaring issues with tenses and grammar, although I must confess there are a lot of useful bits of information that are still missing from the page... Oltrepier (talk) 21:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support per Oltrepier. Flip^andFlopped ツ 16:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on notability these summits happen regularly and there's always lots of talk but nothing of note ever happens other than vague meaningless declarations as a result, leaving everyone, particularly those still believing something might change, predictably dissapointed. Having a handful of people fly in on private planes from around the world to an oil-rich dictatorship to pretend to do something about climate change is textbook greenwashing. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: For the reasons @Abcmaxx succinctly outlines. Also, because we have posted something in the past doesn't mean we should now. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 22:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support These conferences happen annually, but they are the largest regular international conferences on Climate Change. This year's summit notably saw an agreement on a specific numerical goal for climate finance. Jackattack1597 (talk) 04:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  But none of these outcomes are tangible results of any consequence; the frequency of these conferences makes it all more apparent Abcmaxx (talk) 11:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  When we have posted the COP conclusion before at ITN, it is usually tied to a commitment to do some actual actions to reduce climate change (even if they can't be held accountable, etc.) Simply saying they will plan to help poorer countries with financing towards climate change is sorta a nothing-burger in the larger picture regarding CC, given that those pooer countries are typically the least likely contributors towards it. — Masem (t) 13:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Some may call it an idle man's show and I personally don't see any notable step they took, but the event might still notable enough. Wikipedia has a good article on it, and it is on the news, to present it is what ITN does. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  I guess 300 BILLION dollars annually for loans and grants to tiny countries isn't a notable step. Scuba 18:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  Given that nations that set to receive that money say that's not nearly enough, yes [10] — Masem (t) 20:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  Of the proposed $1.3 trillion from this year onwards, 300 billion does fall short. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 06:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on significance. This year's summit doesn't seem to have as large of an effect as others and the extent of it being in the news seems to be "it happened" ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 16:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose per Abcmaxx. The Kip ^(contribs) 06:10, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Chia-ying Yeh

Article: Chia-ying Yeh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): China Daily
Credits:

• Nominated by Greencarp (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Zanhe (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death confirmed today. Chinese-born Canadian poet and sinologist Greencarp (talk) 13:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Support article properly cited. Scuba 15:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support - looks good enough ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support and marking ready. Flip^andFlopped ツ 16:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 17:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Zvi Kogan

Article: Death of Zvi Kogan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death confirmed today. Article was just created. Needs expansion. Thriley (talk) 07:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks good. Scuba 15:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Article is in good shape with lots of sources. Z'L Pyramids09 (talk) 10:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support - looks ready for posting ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Support and marking ready. Flip^andFlopped ツ 16:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Not sure if this is technically eligible for RD if the article is about his death? Not sure how this has been handled in the past. WP:ITNRDBLURB suggests that something like this should be blurbed when the death is the main topic. Spencer^T•C 17:16, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  There was Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/June 2020 § (Closed) RD: David McAtee, which said the page needed to be a biography. —Bagumba (talk) 10:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Support it would be a gimme if the title were "assassination of," as it should be. Scharb (talk) 17:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:ITNRD requires that the subject has a biographical Wikipedia article. But this is more narrowly a death page, whose title is being further proposed to be specifcially a muder page. It can alternatively be proposed as a blurb for the murder, if notable, but that has a higher significance bar for the actual death story.—Bagumba (talk) 10:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Fred R. Harris

Article: Fred R. Harris (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit), MallonAllah12 (talk · give credit) and Flipandflopped (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American politican from Oklahoma. Staraction (talk | contribs) 04:23, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Support no problems with the article. Scuba 15:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Support addressed a couple CN tags and reviewed the article; looks good. Tagging ready now. Flip^andFlopped ツ 16:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 17:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

2024 World Rally Championship

Article: 2024 World Rally Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorsport, Thierry Neuville (pictured) and Martijn Wydaeghe win the World Rally Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In motorsport, Thierry Neuville (pictured) and Martijn Wydaeghe win the World Rally Championship, while Toyota win the manufacturer's title.
News source(s): France 24
Credits:

• Nominated by Moraljaya67 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Unnamelessness (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Unnamelessness (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Looks like the article is good for posting. Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment tweaked the blurb Added ALT blurb. Unnamelessness (talk) 07:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support The article is good to go. Probrably could issue a blurb together with the F1, something like: In motorsport, Max Verstappen and the crew of Thierry Neuville and Martijn Wydaeghe respectively win the the Formula One World Championship and the World Rally Championship. Unnamelessness (talk) 07:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

  These are completely unrelated sports, so shouldn't be combined. Yes they both use cars, but we wouldn't combine rugby with football just because they both use balls, or tennis with squash because they both use racquets. Modest Genius ^talk 15:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

  The difference is that both championships are organized by the same organization (Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile), and both championships are listed under the same ITNR category (Motorsport). Unnamelessness (talk) 16:32, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support article looks good. Scuba 15:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment many parts of the text are ungrammatical and unidiomatic, as if they've been through automated translation. I've tried to tidy up the season summary, but parts are still contradictory or difficult to follow. This could do with some attention by someone who followed the season - I don't have time to dig into all the references. Modest Genius ^talk 15:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Also Support unnamelessness’ suggestion 27.96.223.193 (talk) 04:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose an independent blurb, as I am in favour of a conjoined blurb with the F1 ITNR blurb. Two motorsport blurbs clogs up the main page, and they can logically be grouped together. Flip^andFlopped ツ 07:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• They are 2 completely different events and so should not be merged into one blurb. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  they’re both motorsport. 27.96.223.193 (talk) 23:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support only as a separate blurb. This is WP:ITNR and meets article quality standards and so should be posted as a separate blurb- this is no different to having multiple election articles listed at the same time on ITN. This discussion isn't an appropriate place to try and re-write how ITN and ITNR nominations work, these 2 events are not related just because they both use cars. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Voicing quality concerns about how to better optimize the phrasing of blurb(s) is inappropriate to bring up in the discussion and voting section of those very same blurbs? ITNR means the event itself is notable enough to make it on the main page. How the article is blurbed and presented remains subject to community consensus, which entails room for disagreement without accusations of inappropriate behaviour. Flip^andFlopped ツ 16:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

A combined mix of 2 not the same events is not the same as posting them separately which is what the ITNR nomination is for. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, I will respectfully agree to disagree. Flip^andFlopped ツ 00:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support nomination but strong oppose combined blurb we would not combine futsal with association football even though both are similar and organised by the same governing body; that would be the sporting equivalent of combining Uruguayan and Somaliland election blurbs because they are both elections. WRC and F1 are completely different sports, we wouldn't combine Moto GP with F1, this is a much bigger distinction; bigger than you would have between F1 and Formula-E for example, despite those two also being very different cars (would not support combining them either). Abcmaxx (talk) 07:03, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. The F1 blurb has long been posted while this one lingers because some editors want a combined blurb. That seems rather unfair... Fram (talk) 09:09, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Sara Duterte

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Article: Sara Duterte (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Vice President of the Philippines Sara Duterte (pictured) causes outrage after claiming in a briefing that she had spoken to kill President Ferdinand Marcos Jr., First lady Liza Araneta Marcos and House Speaker Martin Romualdez if she were to killed. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Vice President of the Philippines Sara Duterte (pictured) under fire after allegedly revealing in a briefing if she had arranged and assassination of President of the Philippines Ferdinand Marcos Jr., First lady Liza Araneta Marcos and House Speaker of the Philippines Martin Romualdez if she were to die.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Vice President of the Philippines Sara Duterte (pictured) faces criticism after reportedly admitting in a briefing that she ordered the assassination of President of the Philippines Ferdinand Marcos Jr., First lady Liza Araneta Marcos and House Speaker of the Philippines Martin Romualdez if she were killed.
News source(s): NBC, CNN and Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Royiswariii (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Just In that President Marcos Jr gave a official statement on Sara Duterte said (Source: GMA News) Royiswariii Talk! 04:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose until this evolves into widespread protests, or a political crisis, or something beyond non-specific claims of "outrage". At least something with article to point towards, feigning the possibility of Duterte's death following these comments. Departure– (talk) 05:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Added bold formatting to bring all blurbs to ITN style. Departure– (talk) 05:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

check the alt blurb Royiswariii Talk! 05:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment: Please note that it started on conflict of Marcos-Duterte on Investigation of War on Drugs in the Philippines of Former President Rodrigo Duterte. And in Mary Grace Piattos issue that possibly go on impeachment too (While I'm replying this, it's in the investigation of Quad committee of the Philippines). I can't remember other issues of Duterte-Marcos it's so many issues lol. Royiswariii Talk! 05:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose "Politician criticized for incendiary comments about hypothetical situation" is not ITN material. The Kip ^(contribs) 06:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: This is WP:NOTNEWS and also, I think, that every criticisms/controversies of a certain politician is habitual news.Moraljaya67 (talk)

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November 23

Portal:Current events/2024 November 23

November 23, 2024 (2024-11-23) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon 2024 Basta airstrikes At least 20 people are killed and 66 others are injured in an Israeli airstrike in Basta, Beirut, Lebanon. (L'Orient Today) (Reuters) 2024 Tyre airstrikes Two people are killed and three others are injured in an Israeli drone strike on Tyre, Lebanon. The victims are Palestinian refugees from the nearby Rashidieh camp. (AP) Israeli airstrikes across Lebanon kill 18 people, including four children, in Shmustar, Roumieh, and Bodai. (AP) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa 2024 Kurram massacre Sectarian clashes between Sunni and Shia fighters in Kurram District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, kill 33 people and injure 25 others. (AP) Islamic State–Taliban conflict The Islamic State Khorasan claims responsibility for a mass shooting that killed ten Sufi worshippers at a shrine in Nahrin District, Baghlan, Afghanistan, two days ago. (Arab News) (Barron's) Sudanese civil war The Sudanese Armed Forces recapture Sinja, the capital of Sennar State, Sudan, from the Rapid Support Forces. (The New Arab) Disasters and accidents Twenty-four people are killed and 46 others are rescued after two boats carrying 70 passengers capsize when the boats' engines failed in the Indian Ocean off the north coast of Madagascar. (BBC News) International relations 2024 United Nations Climate Change Conference World leaders at the COP29 climate summit in Baku, Azerbaijan, sign a deal to send at least $300 billion annually to developing nations in the fight against climate change. (CBS News) Russia–United States relations The United States Intelligence Community declassifies a document which accuses Russia of assassinating political opponents to President Vladimir Putin abroad. (Kyiv Independent) (Bloomberg) Politics and elections Constitutional crisis in Somalia 2024 Jubaland presidential election At least one security officer is killed and two others are injured in a gunfight between Jubaland police and security guards in Kismayo, Somalia, after rival candidates announced a parallel election amid a disagreement on the electoral procedure for the presidential election on Monday. (Hiiraan Online) (NTV Kenya) (NATION) 2024 anti-tourism protests in Spain Tens of thousands of people protest against rising rent costs and lack of social housing for residents in Barcelona, Spain. The protests emerge after a recent Bank of Spain report showed the average Spaniard spends about 40% of their income on rent. (AP) Philippine Vice President Sara Duterte claims to have spoken with a contract killer to target President Bongbong Marcos, his wife Liza and House Speaker Martin Romualdez in the event of her assassination, which the administration deemed an "active threat" against the government. (ABS-CBN) Sports 2024 U Sports football season 59th Vanier Cup In Canadian football, the Laval Rouge et Or defeats the Wilfrid Laurier Golden Hawks 22–17 in the 59th Vanier Cup, claiming their 12th U Sports football title. (TSN) 2024 Formula One World Championship In auto racing, Max Verstappen of Red Bull wins his fourth consecutive World Drivers' Championship at the Las Vegas Grand Prix. (GMA News) 2024 National Women's Soccer League season In association football, the Orlando Pride wins its first National Women's Soccer League title after defeating the Washington Spirit 1–0 in the championship. (The Japan Times)

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(Posted) 2024 Formula One World Championship

Article: 2024 Formula One World Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorsport, Max Verstappen (pictured) wins the Formula One World Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In motorsport, Max Verstappen (pictured) wins the Formula One World Championship, while Thierry Neuville and Martijn Wydaeghe win the World Rally Championship.
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by Unnamelessness (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: May produce a combination blurb with the WRC. Unnamelessness (talk) 07:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Support with conjoined F1-WRC blurb. Article should be OK too even without the prose on the latest race. Angusgtw (talk) 08:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Queston What's a WRC? HiLo48 (talk) 08:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@HiLo48: World Rally Championship. Personally I would not be in favour of a merge because they're 2 different types of motor racing. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I fully agree. HiLo48 (talk) 09:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks good. Scuba 15:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Support combined blurb per Angusgtw. We should combine the entries for the F1 and world rally championship. Flip^andFlopped ツ 07:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support - article looks ready ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Strong oppose combined blurb That would be like combining the Super Bowl and Rugby World Cup finals because they both use an oval ball. Abcmaxx (talk) 16:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment Must we run a photo of a Dutch and Belgian athlete in front of the British flag? How about we use something like instead? Bremps... 20:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support ArionStar (talk) 01:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom IDB.S (talk) 04:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support on quality, weak oppose combined blurb. The Kip ^(contribs) 06:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Formula One. Does not appear to be consensus to post a combined blurb. Spencer^T•C 03:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Chuck Woolery

Article: Chuck Woolery (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/chuck-woolery-dead-wheel-fortune-love-connection-1236070165/
Credits:

• Nominated by RachelTensions (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filmography needs sourcing. RachelTensions (talk) 06:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft support filmography needs sourcing, but other than that it only has two cn tags. Scuba 15:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

November 22

Portal:Current events/2024 November 22

November 22, 2024 (2024-11-22) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Beqaa Valley airstrikes An Israeli airstrike targeting the Dar El Amal Hospital in Duris in the Bekaa Valley, Lebanon, kills the hospital director and six other health workers. (Anadolu Agency) (Al Jazeera) 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon At least five medics are killed when Israeli airstrikes hit a multistorey building in Chyah, Beirut, Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine 2024 Kursk offensive Russian human rights commissioner Tatyana Moskalkova states that 46 of one thousand Russian civilians who claimed to have been forcibly relocated by Ukraine into its territory have been returned, following extensive negotiations involving the Red Cross. (Reuters) Two people are killed and 12 others are injured in a Russian drone attack on civilian infrastructure in Sumy, Ukraine. (Reuters) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Sectarian violence in Pakistan 2024 Kurram massacre Large crowds of protesters gather in Parachinar, Pakistan, to protest the massacre of 50 Shiite Pakistanis as well as the ongoing sectarian violence in the region. (Reuters) (MENAFN) New People's Army rebellion Eight New People's Army guerrillas are killed after two separate encounters since yesterday by the Philippine Army in Candoni, Negros Occidental. (The Philippine Star) Mali War Jama'at Nasr al-Islam wal-Muslimin claims responsibility for an attack in Mali the previous day which killed seven Wagner Group mercenaries. (Reuters) Mexican drug war The bodies of six people were found at the height of the Alazán Plan ejido with signs of torture on the highway that connects the municipalities of San Fernando with Reynosa. (Excelsior) Business and economy German economic crisis German automotive supplier Bosch announces plans to lay off 5,550 employees, including 3,500 by 2027, as part of measures to reduce costs. (DW) (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 Laos methanol poisoning A second Australian tourist dies of alcohol poisoning in Vang Vieng, Laos, bringing the death toll from the incident to six. Eight others remain hospitalized. (ABC News Australia) Health and environment An infant dies and at least ten other people fall ill in a listeria outbreak related to ready-to-eat meat and poultry products in California, United States. (AP) Law and crime Conscription of yeshiva students The Israel Defense Forces issue more than 1,000 arrest warrants to ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel for evading draft orders. (CNN) (The Times of Israel) Norway–United States relations A Norwegian man working as a guard at the United States Embassy in Oslo is arrested, on suspicion of spying for Russia and Iran. (CNN) Energy company Phillips 66 is indicted in a United States federal court on six charges of violating the Clean Water Act in Los Angeles County, California. (CBS News) Politics and elections 2024 Senegalese parliamentary election The National Autonomous Electoral Commission of Senegal certifies the results of the parliamentary election, with the ruling PASTEF party winning 130 out of 165 seats. (RFI) (Al Jazeera) Nicaraguan lawmakers vote unanimously to approve a constitutional amendment that strengthens the political power of President Daniel Ortega and makes his wife and Vice President Rosario Murillo "co-president". (Confidencial) (Al Jazeera) Science and technology Censorship in Belarus In a speech at Minsk State Linguistic University, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko threatens to shut down the Internet in his country if there are mass protests before the upcoming presidential election after the previous election saw mass protests. (Rferl) Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri announces that Meta Platforms social network Threads will test AI-powered summaries for trending topics. (TechCrunch)

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(Closed) Russia launches ICBM/IRBM into Ukraine

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Article: Oreshnik (missile) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russia launches a hypersonic projectile claimed to be an Oreshnik intermediate-range ballistic missile from Astrakhan Oblast in a conventional strike on Dnipro, Ukraine. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by 219.74.216.56 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Major escalation of Russian invasion of Ukraine. 219.74.216.56 (talk • contribs)

• What exactly was launched is unclear, as we can't take Russia's own claims to their word, and more reliable sources says it wasn't ICBMs [11]. This is an escalation, but at this point, reasonably covered by the ongoing. --Masem (t) 17:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose - this was NOT a nuclear warhead, and we have an article for the projectile - Oreshnik (missile). Let's not puff it up any more than it was. We didn't post Ukraine using West-supplied long-range missiles and Putin's nuclear threats that he always makes, so let's not post the use of Russia's shiny new toy. Also, you may want to use a template for future ITN submissions. Departure– (talk) 17:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Moved to a template. Departure– (talk) 17:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Masem and Departure. Covered by ongoing. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Appears not to be an ICBM, which might be notable. Otherwise, this appears to be suitably covered by ongoing. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support in principle, just change blurb according to RS, major escalation. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

  Could you point me towards the RS that states this was an ICBM, or anything other than the blurb states, then? Also, this wasn't even the only hypersonic ballistic missile launch that day. Multiple Kh-47M2 Kinzhal strikes were reported in the same Reuters article. Departure– (talk) 20:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

  Ok, source state that it was new intermediate-range ballistic missile.

  But also that it was a nuclear-capable weapon [12].

  It was a major escalation and major event in war, Putin addressed the nation, which he only did after the start of the war, mobilisation, and Prigozhin mutiny. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

  The Kinzhal also has nuclear capabilities. Prigozhin's mutiny was quite a while ago so it tracks he'd make another address to remind the West there's a war going on, even when it's just a new weapon. I'd prefer not to take Putin on his word that this was something special. Departure– (talk) 21:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Departure- TheHiddenCity| (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose good faith nom. Just another day in a country that's been ruthlessly invaded and subjected to near daily indiscriminate bombing attacks. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose not actually an intercontinental ballistic missile nor nuclear. If one of those is launched, would be more likely to fulfill notability requirement. Flip^andFlopped ツ 22:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Covered by Ongoing, Editor 5426387 (talk) 22:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

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2024 Kurram massacre

Article: 2024 Kurram massacre (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Gunmen attacked a large passenger convoy of vehicles in Kurram district of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan, resulting in the death of 50 people and 30 injuries. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Reuters, NY Times, VOA, APP, The Guardian, DW, AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
• Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)

 Ainty Painty (talk) 03:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Seems noteworthy. Deserves attention. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 04:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Another major attack that should be on the main page. Harizotoh9 (talk) 05:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support: A very significant and major insurgent attack, should be on the main Waleed (talk) 05:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Seems too short, and what reactions there are are the usual "fluff" in the sense that there's condolances and not actual any actions. Likely needs a background section too. --Masem (t) 05:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Local leaders complaining of a lack of security, officials saying the death toll will rise, and the PM and President both commenting on the incident are not "fluff". The entire section is only 5 sentences long. Harizotoh9 (talk) 06:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I would expect a good reaction section not to be flooded with non-action statements of sympathy and anger, but actual steps towards action to investigate and make sure such events happen again, what they are doing for familes of the victims, etc. (eg: its far too easy for quote anyone with "thoughts and prayers" after a tragic event, that doesn't make for good encyclopedic content) — Masem (t) 13:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: Not enough sources, and it reads as a stub. Aneirinn (talk) 06:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality as the article is barebones. Support on notability, however. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Sectarian nature makes it more relevant to mention in the headline.Sportsnut24 (talk) 10:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality, support on notability the ongoing land dispute & sectarian conflict which is at the source of the attack needs to be fleshed out in the background section. As of now, all the article says is "Sunni and Shia Muslims are in conflict in the region over a dispute over land". That is nowhere near a sufficient explanation. We can't put an incomplete article on the main page. Flip^andFlopped ツ 22:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

support I don't see the Quality problems that other voter are talking about, it looks fine to me. Scuba 15:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Seems short, I'd like to have it with more detail. Support on notability A significant Shia-Sunni relations attack TheHiddenCity (talk) 22:27, 22 November (UTC)
• Support: - Notable, ITN-worthy and likely to be expanded further. I don’t think the brevity is sufficient reason not to post. Jusdafax (talk) 20:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

November 21

Portal:Current events/2024 November 21

November 21, 2024 (2024-11-21) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Dnipro strikes, Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Russia strikes Dnipro, Ukraine, with a projectile stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin to be a new Oreshnik intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) model. This confirms earlier reports from the United States and other western officials, who said that Russia had used an IRBM after initial reports misidentified the missile as a RS-26 Rubezh intercontinental ballistic missile. (Reuters) (CBS News) (BBC News) Hungary and the Russian invasion of Ukraine Hungary announces the deployment of a missile defense system on its border with Ukraine, saying that the threat of escalation with Russia is now "greater than ever". (Reuters) United Kingdom and the Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian ambassador to the United Kingdom Andrey Kelin says that the UK is now "directly involved" in the war in Ukraine following yesterday's use of British Storm Shadow cruise missiles by Ukraine to strike targets inside Russia. (Sky News) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Sectarian violence in Pakistan 2024 Kurram massacre At least 42 people are killed and many others are wounded as gunmen open fire against two convoys carrying Shia people in Kurram District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Hezbollah fires a rocket barrage at northern Israel, killing one person in the city of Nahariya. (Reuters) Colombian conflict Five soldiers are killed and four other people are injured after a bombing attack in the municipality of Anorí, Antioquia Department, Colombia. The National Liberation Army is blamed. (El País) Disasters and accidents 2024 Laos methanol poisoning An Australian and a British tourist die after consuming poisoned alcohol in Vang Vieng, Laos, bringing the death toll from the incident to five. Nine others are hospitalized. (BBC News) (AP) Health and environment The Ministry of Health of New Zealand declares a national epidemic of whooping cough after a recent spike of 263 cases in the past four weeks. (RNZ) International relations International sanctions during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russia–United States relations U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen announces that the Treasury Department has imposed sanctions against Russia's third-largest bank Gazprombank and its subsidiaries. (The Hill) Law and crime 2022 Brazilian coup plot Brazilian Federal Police indicts former President Jair Bolsonaro and 36 others for attempting a coup after he lost to Lula da Silva in the 2022 election. (AP) Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse Eleven people, including former construction minister Goran Vesić, are arrested as part of an investigation into the Novi Sad railway station accident that caused 15 deaths earlier this month. (DW) (AL24) War crimes in the Israel–Hamas war, International Criminal Court investigation in Palestine International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israeli figures The International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, former Israeli minister of defense Yoav Gallant, and the leader of Hamas' military wing Mohammed Deif, who is presumed to be dead. (Jerusalem Post) Science and technology Internet censorship in Pakistan It is reported that Pakistan internet authorities have banned the use of Bluesky in the country amidst a surge in popularity in the app. The ban is confirmed by internet watchdog NetBlocks in a post on X (formerly known as Twitter). (TechRadar) The European Southern Observatory announces that its astronomers in Chile capture the first close-up image of a star outside the Milky Way. (The New York Times)

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(Posted) RD: Alice Brock

Article: Alice Brock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:81A9:9B3:1C4C:1AAD (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mn monkey (talk · give credit) and JMyrleFuller (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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 240F:7A:6253:1:81A9:9B3:1C4C:1AAD (talk) 03:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Looks good to me. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support: - Informative, well-sourced article that is ready for the Front Page. Jusdafax (talk) 20:57, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Satis. Grimes2 (talk) 21:10, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 03:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Gautam Adani indicted

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Articles: Gautam Adani (talk · history · tag) and United States of America v. Gautam Adani et al. (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Indian billionaire Gautam Adani and his associates are indicted by federal prosecutors for bribing Indian Government officials and concealing the details from American investors. (Post)
News source(s): [13]
Credits:

• Nominated by Ratnahastin (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 - Ratnahastin (talk) 07:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose at least on quality - the trial article, which should be linked, is a stub. Unsure on notability, as we don't often post trials of individuals aside from major world leaders. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

  United States of America v. Gautam Adani et al., linking the article. Gotitbro (talk) 09:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality and on notability yet another case of corruption of a local personality. _-_Alsor (talk) 07:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose We seem to have a rash of indictments and warrants lately. Per WP:SUSPECT, "A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations, arrests and charges do not amount to a conviction." Andrew🐉(talk) 09:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Strong oppose posting this as if he were found guilty violates WP:SUSPECT. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. Who is this guy? BilboBeggins (talk) 10:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. There are lots of reasons why this isn't suitable for ITN. The case article - which should be the bold link - is a stub. This is a domestic case involving a private individual, very different from the ICC seeking a national leader. The case itself does not seem particularly significant, there are fraud and corruption trials all the time. The blurb is misleading, because it incorrectly implies Indian prosecutors, and isn't NPOV. Modest Genius ^talk 12:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) New Lithuanian PM

Article: Gintautas Paluckas (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Gintautas Paluckas is elected by the Seimas as the new Prime Minister of Lithuania. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following parliamentary elections, Gintautas Paluckas is elected by the Seimas as the new Prime Minister of Lithuania.
News source(s): [14][15]
Credits:

• Nominated by 98.170.164.88 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Augenis (talk · give credit) and Editorius124 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITN/R applies as the PM administers the executive branch (per here, and the posting of his predecessor), and since Paluckas was not previously mentioned in ITN. The results of the 2024 Lithuanian parliamentary election were posted from November 1st to 2nd, but that blurb mentioned Vilija Blinkevičiūtė as the leader of the winning party, and she unexpectedly chose not to become PM. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 01:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: The blurb should get a link to 2024 Lithuanian parliamentary election, also that would satisfy ITN/R better. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 04:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Target articles seem to be of adequate quality. Propose altblurb incorporating election article. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Seems fair enough and ready. Elios Peredhel (talk) 08:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Note After clarifying the issue on the talk page, I just want to point out that he is not technically the PM at the moment. He will officially become PM once his cabinet is finalized, probably in December. I don't think it's a big deal as a lot of changes in political office don't take effect immediately, and this is the stage in the process at which his predecessor was posted to ITN anyway. If we do want to delay it until he is officially the PM, I'm fine with that. If not, perhaps changing the word "new" to "next" in the blurb would better suit his status, although even the Lithuanian public broadcaster doesn't do that or make much of a distinction. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 09:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

FYI: Trump was posted as soon as he was called the winner of the US elections even though he wont take office until January. Prodrummer619 (talk) 11:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support. We should post announcement now. BilboBeggins (talk) 10:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support alt blurb : Incorporates both election and his article as it seems PM is not directly elected by people in Lithuania, also he is still not the PM (blurb says he's just elected) and cabinet comes from elected officials. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 13:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support no problems quality wise, ITN/R. Scuba 16:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support and preferred altblurb. @Admins willing to post ITN: can this be posted as we seem to have consensus? Abcmaxx (talk) 15:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted with altblurb. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 04:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
• Could we please replace the image of Yoav Gallant with File:Gintautas Paluckas VRK.jpg? Currently it looks like Gallant is the new Lithuanian PM... Toadspike [Talk] 07:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  I agree. Got confused for a moment why Lithuanian PM has a photo with Israeli flag backdrop. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 14:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  +1 51.154.145.205 (talk) 14:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Someone change photo. Apparently I can't do that. BilboBeggins (talk) 12:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Picture was changed to Paluckas by Schwede66 on 15:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC). Natg 19 (talk) 17:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jodi Rell

Article: Jodi Rell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Connecticut governor; death announced 21 November. Staraction (talk | contribs) 00:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: Heavily uncited BLP. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 04:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Bolsonaro indicted

Article: 2022 Brazilian coup plot (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former President of Brazil Jair Bolsonaro and 36 others are indicted by Brazilian police for their roles in the attempt to overthrow the 2022 election, including the attempted assassination of current president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former President of Brazil Jair Bolsonaro and 36 others are formally accused by Brazilian police for their roles in the attempt to overthrow the 2022 election, including the attempted assassination of current president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva.
News source(s): CNN [AP News]
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

 Masem (t) 22:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support The fact that Bolsonaro is linked with an attempt to assassinate Lula is notable enough. The indictment is very ITN worthy. The article looks good too aside from two cn tags in the Timeline section (not sure if that section itself needs and expansion). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Note I don't see the indictments added yet. Masem (t) 22:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Added a paragraph about it and a sentence to the lead. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• The article does not seem to be updated with the information about the indictments. Natg 19 (talk) 22:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Added some updates. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Strong support on notability - Brazil's equivalent of Trump's indictment(s). No reason this should be treated any different... except maybe on quality, which I've no comment. Departure– (talk) 01:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support A former world leader is being prosecuted from overthrowing democracy is definitely newsworthy. Rager7 (talk) 22:02, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

WP:SOAP thread — Knightoftheswords 13:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Oppose seeing as how Lula got out of prison based on the political whims of a judge and then ran for president again this doesn't really mean anything. Scuba 01:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC) WP:SOAP. The Kip (contribs) 07:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC) Lula was sentenced by the same judge who would serve in the Cabinet of Jair Bolsonaro, if political bias has to be talked about at all. None of this is relevant to whether Bolsonaro's indictment is notable or not; it is and we posted the Lula developments back then as well. Personal judgments of political assesments by editors aside. Gotitbro (talk) 07:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Highly noteworthy development in the attempted overthrow of democracy. Will be interesting to see if the matter is actually prosecuted properly and justice served unlike what happened in the US with Trump free to run again despite his attempt to overthrow democracy. AusLondonder (talk) 04:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Of immense notability, and article, especially this particular event, are well cited. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 04:37, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for anything but actual 'conviction'. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 11:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Former President indicted on serious charges is bigly news. Harizotoh9 (talk) 05:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Internationally noteworthy and quality articles. Aneirinn (talk) 06:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support per Departure. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Support While this was only the first of Bolsonaro's coup attempts (followed by 2022–2023 Brazilian election protests, 2023 Brazilian Congress attack), he is more significantly involved here than the others and likely the only event he is to be charged for. Gotitbro (talk) 07:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Support - Former major world leader has been indicted in criminal court, due one of the most significant events in recent Brazilian history. Very notable. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Support, major political event. BilboBeggins (talk) 10:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. The blurb and the article falsely tell us that the police have indicted Bolsonaro. In fact, the decision to indict lies with prosecutors, who have not yet made that decision. As per the NYT article cited in the Wikipedia article: "Brazil’s federal police urged prosecutors to charge Mr. Bolsonaro and three dozen others (...) Federal prosecutors have still not decided whether to pursue charges in any of these cases". Sandstein 10:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Sandstein's good point and WP:SUSPECT. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support per Gotitbro and WP:SUSPECT. SerialNumber54129 12:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose/Wait per Sandstein on account of the blurb not being factually accurate. These indictments are likely still forthcoming. I think blurb posting on this topic should wait until that time. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. We need to get the wording right per the above, but this is the official report of a long police investigation, which is a major story in and of itself. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 17:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb Prosecutors have clarified that although they will indict, it will take time to proceed to that next stage for logistical reasons: see here. However, I think this is ITN now, and so posting now (when coverage is high) is appropriate. It would be different if the prosecutor hadn't yet decided on an indictment: he WILL certainly be indicted, just after the Holidays. As such, I have proposed an altblurb which uses modified language. Flip^andFlopped ツ 22:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support unusual occurrence and we have previously posted similar events concerning heads of state (e.g. jailing of Frank Bainimarama). @Admins willing to post ITN: do we have consensus here? Abcmaxx (talk) 15:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as we post convictions, not indictments, per WP:BLPCRIME. Posting Trump’s indictment was a mistake, so it’s better to not make it once again.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

  I tend to agree in principle re: BLPCRIME, but I think for heads of state the indictment itself is notable (for Trump as well as the Netanyahu/Gallant arrest warrants currently posted to the Main Page). DecafPotato (talk) 22:51, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Kiril Simeonovski The AP (talk) 16:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support A major political/legal event with international coverage. ArionStar (talk) 23:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Strongest Possible Oppose We've been down this road with Donald Trump and that was an egregious error. The Federal charges in his case have now disappeared and as of this post the consensus seems to be to ignore it. This is why we post convictions, not accusations. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:21, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  We posted when Trump was impeached (knowing full well there would be no removal by the Senate), and as mentioned above, the grand jury findings still exist and new indictments could be raised in the future (just not likely in the next four years). We have also posted the arrest warrants from the ICC for Putin and for Israel/Hamas leaders. Clearly when former leaders of countries are at least charged, in a formal manner consistent with the nation's laws, for major crimes, that seems to be the point to post, even if no actual conviction comes down the road. Masem (t) 04:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• BLP comment WP:BLPCRIME/WP:BLPSUSPECT have been mentioned. The policy reads

  For individuals who are not public figures—that is, individuals not covered by § Public figures—editors must seriously consider not including material —in any article—that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured for that crime.

  However, Bolsonara is a public figure. Consensus might determine this doesn't belong on ITN, but it's not dictated by this policy.—Bagumba (talk) 04:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Bagumba: That's a very unfortunate section. All living persons with Wikipedia articles are public figures in some way. Otherwise, they would not be covered in reliable sources that justify the existence of their articles. Could you please explain what makes politicians more prominent public figures than artists, scientists or sportspeople?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  WP tends to use the legal definition of Public figure to determine who is public. It is certainly not the case that any notable person we consider to be a public figure, but generally use that for those that are nearly always going to be covered by media, like politicians, actors, athletes, and top-level businessmen. Masem (t) 13:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  I'm unsure whether the legal definition is the same everywhere (for instance, public figure lists only the case in the United States, which may not be true for Brazil or anywhere else). Furthermore, WP:PUBLICFIGURE isn't lex specialis that can override WP:BLPCRIME, and the examples given under WP:PUBLICFIGURE don't even list a case involving indictments (WP:BLPCRIME should normally be more restrictive than WP:PUBLICFIGURE due to the presumption of innocence. Otherwise, we risk to make a false positive.).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  To be clear, BLPCRIME is more geared towards protecting the privacy of those that are clearly not public figures (those whom have never been written about until such an event) rather than the allowance that we should cover crimes related to public figures. No matter how you slice it, Bolosanaro is a public figure, and thus the protection that we look for under BLPCRIME simply is not applicable.

  Beyond the scope of BLPCRIME, all other aspects of BLP in general apply: we do have to write with presumption of innocence, we should be accurate to what actually happened here from a legal perspective and not jump to conclusions (that is: I know the original articles on this all said, directly, "indictment", but that was clearly not the best wording). But there's no reason we can expect any attempt to protect Bolosanaro's privacy here via BLPCRIME. Masem (t) 13:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  That's a very unfortunate section: Take that up at that policy's talk page. —Bagumba (talk) 14:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• "Indictment" comment I was evaluating whether to post this, but saw Sandstein's comment above: The blurb and the article falsely tell us that the police have indicted Bolsonaro. In fact, the decision to indict lies with prosecutors. Reuters says: Brazil's prosecutor general is expected to weigh those two cases along with the police report on the alleged coup plot before bringing any charges against Bolsonaro early next year.[16] So it seems there's a conflict on whether he's indicted yet or not. For balance, CNN a few days ago had "Brazil’s Bolsonaro and allies indicted in 2022 coup plot probe". The previous Trump post that's been mentioned was for an indictment, but this discussion is not necessarily binded by that (WP:ITNSIGNIF). If there hasn't been an indictment, 2022 Brazilian coup plot needs to be updated to say that he's been accused by the police (or similar), and not use idict. —Bagumba (talk) 04:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  There is also Talk:2022 Brazilian coup plot § Indictment —Bagumba (talk) 05:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  Bagumba, Sandstein This is caused by a translation issue and cultural barrier. The literal definition of "indict" is "to formally accuse of or charge with a serious crime". The police have formally accused Bolsonaro, under Brazil's criminal procedure for the referral of cases. The prosecutor then has a supplementary decision as to how or whether to lay charges in Court. In Portuguese, the same verb - "indiciar" - is used for both of these two "types" of accusations: see here. So, when English sources like CNN are translating from Portuguese coverage, they say he was "indicted": technically true, because of the literal definition of the word and how it is used in Brazil. However, it is misleading to the American reader, who usually interpret "indictment" purely legalistically - that is to say, charges have been laid in court by a prosecutor.

  Using the altblurb language of "formally accused by police" is more precise and avoids that misleading impact. IMHO there is a consensus that the story itself is notable enough, so I would recommend going with the alt as a compromise measure. Flip^andFlopped ツ 16:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Flipandflopped: If the alt blurb is considered accurate, then the article needs to change its contentious use of indict to something about being formally accused by the police.—Bagumba (talk) 17:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  Fair point. I have raised the issue on the talk page and will make modifications to the article ASAP after giving folks time to raise disagreements to my interpretation. Hopefully then you or another admin can consider whether or not to post on the merits re: the notability of the event itself. Flip^andFlopped ツ 17:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• @TDKR Chicago 101, Departure–, Rager7, AusLondonder, ExclusiveEditor, Harizotoh9, Aneirinn, The Kip, Gotitbro, PrecariousWorlds, and BilboBeggins:: You all !voted support when the early sources called this an indictment. However, the discussion has since identified sources that indicated that while the police "formally accused" Bolsonaro et. al., the federal prosecutor has yet to press charges i.e. indict. You're invited to either reaffirm or charge your position. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 07:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  Translation error, I see, in that case I rescind my vote. It is already on tenous grounds that we post formal charges; police complaints should nowhere be near the Main Page. Gotitbro (talk) 07:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Bagumba I concur with Gotitbro accusations are not newsworthy compared to an actual indictment. I retract my vote. Rager7 (talk) 08:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

@Bagumba: Thanks, in that case it's too early to post. If Bolsonaro is eventually charged/indicted I would support posting, but not before. AusLondonder (talk) 13:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) ICC arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu, Yoav Gallant, and Mohammed Deif

Article: International Criminal Court investigation in Palestine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, and Hamas leader Mohammed Deif in its investigation of war crimes in Palestine. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, NYTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Nableezy (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ARandomName123 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: We previously posted warrants being issued for Muammar Gaddafi and Omar Bashir and Vladimir Putin nableezy - 13:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Since the arrest warrants of Putin and others' were posted, I think this should be posted too as it is about a incumbent Prime Minister. LiamKorda 14:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Strong support on notability, arrest warrants against world leaders have been posted before. Weak oppose on quality, the article isn't updated to where I think it should be to be posted. Besides that, otherwise it's well sourced. Departure– (talk) 14:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support This will severely limit the travel options for the wanted persons. Grimes2 (talk) 14:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support We did post the warrant for Putin, this precedentially follows. Gotitbro (talk) 14:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support front page news, so meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. Would be good to add more to the section of the article about the warrants, but there's about enough to just about WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support - Support on significance and precedent. I think the quality could be better but not quite to the point where it should stop this from being posted. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Arrest warrants against world leaders are very rare i think Bakhos2010 (talk) 15:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Strong support as per Departure–. Suggest blurb is in present tense. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Important development, rare event, and per ITN precedent. The article is detailed and well-referenced; I find its organisation quite confusing and the update isn't great, but it provides the facts of the case and is in good enough shape to post. Modest Genius ^talk 15:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability as there is precedent that an international arrest warrant for an incumbent leader is notable, and on quality per Modest Genius above.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 15:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment - an article has been made at International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israeli figures. It's not protected yet, nor is it ITN quality, but it should be made the target. Departure– (talk) 15:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Absolutely no need for a separate article for the issuing of arrest warrants. It would have been far better to have an expansion of the ICC case. — Masem (t) 19:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Support per norm. Scuba 16:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment It would be good if we could get the Hīkoi mō te Tiriti posted now given clear consensus in favour. AusLondonder (talk) 16:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Wrong section? nableezy - 16:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Oops yeah, was intending to comment below. For clarity, Support posting this, too. AusLondonder (talk) 16:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support per nom. Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support the general event being posted on notability. I would prefer the target being the International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israeli figures article though, which I believe has been brought up to a reasonable level of quality by now. Liu1126 (talk) 17:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. I used the main article, since it wasn't really discussed if the sub-article should be used instead, and there's an obvious titling/scope issue with it. I used an image of Netanyahu and an additional use of "Israeli" per the choices used for the Russian ones in 2023. [17] These can all be changed if necessary. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 18:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  For what's worth, I believe that the article International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israeli figures should be placed, while not replacing the International Criminal Court investigation in Palestine article — Mignof (talk | contribs) 20:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. Mohammed Deif is dead. What would his arrest warrant even mean in this case? 104.171.53.110 (talk) 19:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Our article explains that it's because neither Hamas nor independent sources have confirmed his death, so the ICC cannot determine if he is dead and decided to issue in case he is alive. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 20:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  (edit conflict) Israel claims to have killed him in July, Hamas claims he's still alive. The ICC has been unable to determine either way, so issued the warrant. Regardless of whether you think either claim is tenable, or if any of these people will be arrested, the blurb is factually correct in stating that the court has issued a warrant. Modest Genius ^talk 20:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Patar knight: would you be amenable to adding the phrase "allegedly killed" or something similar next to Deif's name for clarity (so it'd read "allegedly killed Hamas leader Mohammed Deif")? Dan the Animator 07:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

  The claims of Deif's death are weaker than our article suggests. Further phrasing appears unwarranted. Gotitbro (talk) 09:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

  Gotitbro, makes sense but I think the claims could still add important context (e.g. the fact that there are legitimate questions regarding his death suggests he is missing/hiding and thus the warrant won't have any immediate effects on him, unlike Bibi & Gallant who have generally been going about their lives). I'm open to other phrasing but I still think it's an important thing to add for context/clarity. Usually also the blurb is supposed to based on the article and the article in this case talks more about the warrant's effects on Israeli officials so I think it's helpful to readers to reflect this dynamic/disequilibrium in impact in the blurb. Open to other ideas though and thanks for the reply, Dan the Animator 16:37, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

  I think this is too much detail to get into for a blurb. A warrant was issued and the relevant part of the article explains the ICC's reasoning for issuing the warrant for Deif. If you have reliable sources that discuss the practical effects of the warrants, I would suggest adding to the article. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 17:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

  Fair enough. I still think adding two words to some effect would be rather helpful but I don't feel too strongly about it so it's alright. Many thanks for the replies! :) Dan the Animator 04:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Admins willing to post ITN: Out of curiosity more than anything, if a pic of Netanyahu was originally posted, why does ITN now show the other guy? SerialNumber54129 12:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  I think like joint Nobel Prize announcements, the idea is that each day a different person will have their image. Now I think it's due time for Deif to get his picture, Gallant was on the front page all of yesterday QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  Oh, I see he doesn't have an image in his page. Not many photos of him exist apparently, but the article has links that have some pictures. Are these pictures copyrighted or some other thing that means it can't be used in his infobox and thus on the main page? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  Typically the admins try to rotate the photos between different topics or people every several days, but that is up to admin discretion, as the ITN box is protected and editable only by administrators. Natg 19 (talk) 17:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment - Bit late, but I think at this point International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israeli figures should be posted, since it is the article that details the news story at hand. It would like linking to United States presidential election for the recent election. @Admins willing to post ITN: — Knightoftheswords 21:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

would make it a bit of a chain link to wikilink "issues arrest warrants". nableezy - 23:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

That article only mentions the Israelis, not the Hamas guy. Stephen 02:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024 Laos methanol poisoning

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2024 Laos methanol poisoning (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Four tourists are dead and ten others injured from a suspected methanol poisoning in Laos. (Post)
News source(s): The AgeGuardian
Credits:

• Nominated by GMH Melbourne (talk · give credit)

 GMH Melbourne (talk) 12:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Sources ok, size ok. Terrible event. Grimes2 (talk) 12:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Terrible event, yes, but there's not a high number of fatalities, and the fact that they are tourists does not make it more notorious or more special.

_-_Alsor (talk) 12:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Note that unfortunately the death toll is likely to rise as there are a number of people on life support. GMH Melbourne (talk) 13:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Seems like mostly a small domestic crime issue (if it was an intended crime), and given the number of List of methanol poisoning incidents, such events are not uncommon around the world. --Masem (t) 13:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Clearly an isolated domestic crime/food safety incident with limited effect.廣九直通車 (talk) 13:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Note also, that there are victims in Australia, New Zealand, the US, Denmark, UK, and Laos, with the news being reported by organisations around the world. GMH Melbourne (talk) 13:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Unfortunate event but death toll is low and seems to be more of a local news event. LiamKorda 14:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose on notability. This seems to be an incident of food poisoning the likes of which we've seen numerous times and are likely to see again. Not nearly as widespread or otherwise impactful as a contamination event should be to get posted; this seems to be restricted to a single hotel in Vang Vieng. Weak oppose on quality at the moment. Also, this nomination may be stale as the fatalities happened on 13 November, and this is likely to roll off the news cycle and ITN as a whole before notability gets demonstrated and quality improves. The oldest blurb is Justin Welby's resignation from 12 November. Departure– (talk) 14:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Tragic event, but accidents that cause four fatalities are sadly quite common. Even methanol poisoning isn't that unusual, see list of methanol poisoning incidents - and those are just the incidents that received media coverage and editor attention. The nationality of the victims has attracted media attention, but shouldn't affect our judgement of significance. I see no reason to treat this any differently than a traffic collision that caused four deaths, which would never be an ITN blurb. Modest Genius ^talk 15:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose routine accident/crime. not ITN worthy despite the tragedy. Scuba 16:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The page List of methanol poisoning incidents shows that moonshine deaths are far from unusual in the developing world. There were 65 in one batch in India just this June [18]. News websites and TV have an odd habit of exaggerating the attention they give to events when their own citizens die in incidents abroad. For example, this Guardian piece "British woman among three dead as south of France hit by severe flooding"; as if British news would report on three people dying in a French flood in any other way. We shouldn't be copying that kind of journalism. It kind of reminds me of this [19]. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Ironically that Guardian article is from Agence France-Presse. AusLondonder (talk) 19:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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November 20

Portal:Current events/2024 November 20

November 20, 2024 (2024-11-20) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Calls for a ceasefire during the Israel–Hamas war The United States vetoes a United Nations Security Council proposal for a ceasefire in Gaza, citing the proposal's not linking the ceasefire to the return of hostages taken during the conflict. (The New York Sun) (Reuters) United States support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war The United States Senate rejects three resolutions by senator Bernie Sanders that would block the sale of weapons to Israel in their war in Gaza. (The Hill) Russian invasion of Ukraine United Kingdom and the Russian invasion of Ukraine British-produced Storm Shadow cruise missiles are launched into Russian territory by Ukraine for the first time, following approval by the Starmer cabinet. (The Guardian) The U.S., Italian, Greek, and Spanish governments temporarily close their embassies in Kyiv, Ukraine, following threats of a "significant air attack" from Russia. (The Washington Times) The embassies of Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan urge their citizens to leave areas near Ukrainian combat zones or to leave Ukraine altogether amid an escalating risk of Russian retaliatory attacks. (The Times of Central Asia) Mali War Fall of Timbuktu The International Criminal Court sentences Malian Islamist militant and Ansar Dine member al-Hassan Ag Abdoul Aziz to 10 years in prison on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity committed in 2012 and 2013 in Timbuktu, Mali. (Al Jazeera) Sudanese civil war Battle of Khartoum The Sudanese Armed Forces intensify their offensive in the Khartoum capital region, particularly in Khartoum North where the battle has rapidly escalated. (Sudan Tribune) Syrian civil war Israel's role in the Syrian civil war Thirty-six people are killed and more than 50 others are injured in Israeli airstrikes in Palmyra, Syria. (Reuters) Business and economy German economic crisis American automaker Ford announces that it will cut 4,000 jobs in Europe, including 2,900 in Germany, citing economic instability and conflicts with environmental regulations. (Newsweek) Disasters and accidents November 2024 Northeast Pacific bomb cyclone Two people are killed and more than 570,000 people are without power when a bomb cyclone makes landfall over the West Coast of the United States and British Columbia, Canada. (CNN) (NBC News) Law and crime 2024 Baltic Sea submarine cable disruptions The Russian government denies accusations made by European governments of their involvement in sabotaging two submarine telecommunications cables in the Baltic Sea as a means of hybrid warfare. (DW) The Royal Danish Navy boards the Chinese cargo ship Yi Peng 3 in the Baltic Sea after the ship is suspected to be involved in the sabotage of the submarine cables. (EurAsia Daily) Capital punishment in Indonesia Philippine President Bongbong Marcos confirms the return of Mary Jane Veloso to the Philippines following 14 years on death row in Indonesia, after the Indonesian government implemented a policy for the repatriation of foreign prisoners. (South China Morning Post) Indian billionaire and Adani Group chairman Gautam Adani is indicted in the U.S. for his role in an alleged multi-billion dollar bribery and fraud scheme where he and seven others paid Indian government officials US$265 million to obtain contracts for Adani Green Energy. (AsiaOne) (Bloomberg) New Zealand designates Yemen's Houthi movement and Lebanon's Hezbollah as terrorist groups. (The Times of Israel) Politics and elections 2024 United Kingdom farmers' protests Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner dismisses concerns brought on by protests in London from United Kingdom farmers against new agricultural inheritance taxation policies as "scaremongering". (Sky News) Mali War Malian junta chief Assimi Goïta dismisses Prime Minister Choguel Kokalla Maïga for criticizing the junta government's decision to indefinitely postpone a return to civilian rule. (DW) Protests against the Russian invasion of Ukraine Around 1,671 anti-war protesters in Belarus are arrested for showing solidarity with Ukraine as part of a crackdown on opposition under President Alexander Lukashenko. (AP) Iraq imposes a two-day nationwide curfew as it conducts its first national census since 1987. (Al Jazeera) Science and technology Discoveries of exoplanets In a study published by the Nature journal, astronomers announce the discovery of IRAS 04125+2902 b, a newborn exoplanet. The discovery was made by Madyson Barber, a graduate student at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. (Nature) (ABC News)

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(new) RD: Odile Bailleux

Article: Odile Bailleux (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

French organist and harpschordist, much admired. This source is from 21 November. One more day to expamd. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Ursula Haverbeck

Article: Ursula Haverbeck (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, DW, JTA
Credits:

• Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TheHippo0 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Count Iblis (talk) 10:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Its difficult to find sources for the statements of Haverbeck, because Holocaust denial is illegal in several countries. Impossible to post in RD. Grimes2 (talk) 15:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Prescott

Article: John Prescott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Amakuru (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former deputy PM of the UK. A few additional sources needed but it's not in terrible shape.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Lead paragraph has a citation needed flag, otherwise article is in overall good quality. Tofusaurus (talk) 12:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Slow day, huh? Weak oppose - updated for the death but has a few CN tags - there's another in the article's body on a negative claim about Prescott that really should be sourced or removed. Departure– (talk) 15:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support I've cleaned up the tags and added a few extra cites. Well written and sourced now for the man they called "Two Jags". The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 15:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support. The article is extensive and has a lot of citations, but it's very dry prose and hardly a riveting read. There are classic WP:PROSELINE problems, a lack of images, and it often (particularly in the 'life after parliament section) feels like a random collection of factoids rather than a coherent biography. Still, those are stylistic issues that don't actually violate our criteria. Could do better, but good enough to post. Modest Genius ^talk 19:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. In good enough enough shape, despite stylistic concerns. - SchroCat (talk) 19:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Support The article is good enough, except the one yellow tag. Rynoip (talk) 00:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Support article isn't perfect but I think it is good enough. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 00:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose I've added a few more CN TAGS because there are numerous unsourced lines. The article is not perfect, but it should be close. It is not ready to be posted. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

  • Support There is still a CN TAG to be fixed, but it does not prevent from being posted. Avanti. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose till  [citation needed] are not fixed. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 13:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support, per Alsoriano97 and ExclusiveEditor, who are now glad that they too can offer their fulsome support for this {{cn}}-less article. SerialNumber54129 13:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Marking this as ready and changing my vote per above. Departure– (talk) 13:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

@Admins willing to post ITN: looks to be ready. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 16:09, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

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