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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 8 January 2025 [1].

Bejeweled (video game)

Nominator(s): Lazman321 (talk) 07:13, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bejeweled is a 2000 match-three video game developed and published by PopCap Games. If you're even slightly interested in casual gaming, then even if you haven't heard of this game, you will most certainly recognize the ubiquitous match-three mechanic, which Bejeweled popularized. This passed a GA nomination back in October, and after several copyedits and a peer review, I believe it is ready for a FAC. Lazman321 (talk) 07:13, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging the following reviewers: GAN reviewer @ProtoDrake: and peer reviewers @TrademarkedTWOrantula: and @Vacant0:. Lazman321 (talk) 07:16, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh, thanks for pinging me! (Not sure if I'll have time to review; the holidays are coming up, and I need some time to relax.) TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 22:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HF

I remember playing Bejeweled 3 on the Nintendo DS - I'll take a look at this. Hog Farm _Talk 14:51, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For Foxy Poker - would Sexual content in video games be a better link that what is currently given? Per the Kotaku source, this was a strip poker video game, while the current link target is focused on the more standard online smut

Done Lazman321 (talk) 01:49, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Astraware ported Bejeweled to Pocket PC on August 8, 2003,[21] and Windows Mobile on May 3, 2004.[22]" - any hope for a seconday source for this information?

For the release dates, unfortunately no, my search turned up nothing. But thanks to my search, I did find a little more information about the PDA versions. Lazman321 (talk) 01:49, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"such as over 2,200 match-three games on the Apple App Store" - I think this number here would be best with an as of date, since this is likely to change over time

Done Lazman321 (talk) 01:49, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

" "Sprint PCS announces the launch of Multiplayer Bejeweled on Sprint Vision". DemiVision. May 13, 2003. Archived from the original on July 31, 2003. Retrieved September 23, 2024." - I'm unfamiliar with this source - is it a high-quality RS? This isn't on WP:VGRS, which tends to make me think this is a fairly obscure source

DemiVision is a primary source; JAMDAT bought technology from DemiVision in order to achieve the multiplayer gameplay of Bejeweled Multiplayer. They also happened to be the only source I could find for Bejeweled Mutliplayer's release date. Lazman321 (talk) 01:49, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is in Category:Cancelled Game Boy Advance games but there isn't any reference in the article to the Game Boy Advance - is this appropriate categorization?

GBA ports for Bejeweled and Bookworm were announced in January 2004 to be released by Majesco later that year. Although the Bookworm port was ultimately released, the Bejeweled port wasn't, and literally the only other information I can find of it was an entry on Kotaku claiming it was canceled, though it states the wrong year. Given how dubious and minimal the sourcing was, I chose not to include it in this article. For now, I'll remove the category, though would you prefer I include a mention of this unreleased port in the article? Lazman321 (talk) 01:49, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Likewise, we've got Category:Video games scored by Peter Hajba, but not reference to Peter Hajba

Removed the category. I removed Peter Hajba from the infobox because there was no secondary sourcing of his involvement in this particular game and he was credited under a pseudonym in the readme. Lazman321 (talk) 01:49, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above comment does make we wonder if there's anything to be said about the music of the game? I never played this version, but the music of Bejeweled 3 was definitely a part of the ambience of some modes of the game.

While I myself do like the music for Bejeweled Deluxe, unfortunately, I couldn't find any information on it. I couldn't even find a soundtrack album. Lazman321 (talk) 01:49, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good work here; only a few comments above. Hog Farm _Talk 00:06, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the review. I have addressed your concerns above. Lazman321 (talk) 01:49, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hog Farm: Sorry, forgot to ping you. Lazman321 (talk) 01:58, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the decision to leave out the Game Boy Advance information due to the weak sourcing for it. Supporting. Hog Farm _Talk 02:45, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BP!

This game makes me nostalgic. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 23:10, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At References. Perhaps rename all PocketGamer.Biz into "Pocket Gamer" only?

Although both have a similar name and are owned by the same company, PocketGamer.biz is a separate, more industry-focused site. I see no reason for the change. Lazman321 (talk) 23:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 8, GameSpot wasn't italicized

Done: Good catch. Lazman321 (talk) 23:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What makes GamesWelt and Wireless Gaming Review reliable?

GamesWelt is considered reliable per WP:VG/S due to its editorial policies and extensive staff. As for Wireless Gaming Review, see my response to Vacant0's similar question here. Lazman321 (talk) 23:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe rename the section from "Sources" into "Bibliography"?

As per MOS:REFERENCES, "Sources" is a valid name for the section. Lazman321 (talk) 23:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's it. The article is obviously written very well. Btw, I was wondering if you're able to do spot chekcing/source integrity at Chris Redfield's FAC? Thanks! 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 13:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Boneless Pizza!: Thanks, I have addressed your concerns. If I have time, I may be willing to do spotchecks for your FAC. Lazman321 (talk) 23:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! I tried to read the entire article again to find any errors, but I couldn't. Thanks for addressing some of my concerns. I'll Support this FAC; looking forward to Tetris soon. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 00:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TTWO

I have no recollection of this game. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 03:47, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"with chain reactions potentially following" - Chain reactions (as far as I can see) aren't noted in the gameplay section.

Done: Removed. Lazman321 (talk) 03:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"JAMDAT's Bejeweled Multiplayer includes an additional multiplayer mode" - Is it the only version that does so?

As far as I'm aware, yes. Lazman321 (talk) 03:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel as though the term "simple video games" isn't precise enough. However, if you feel this term works, feel free to keep it in.

Done Lazman321 (talk) 03:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead says the team discovered Colors Game, while the gameplay section says, "Vechey discovered a match-three browser game titled Colors Game".

Removing mention of who discovered the game in the lead.

"...significant monetary revenue from that success." - Could cut "from that success"

Done Lazman321 (talk) 03:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the Mac OS X release date come before the Windows Mobile release date? Normally, a release section is supposed to go in chronological order, but I get it if you want to leave this unchanged.

I think I'll leave it unchanged for conciseness; I'd have to repeat that Astraware published a port otherwise. Lazman321 (talk) 03:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"were developed for multiple years" - As in the code was updated for the game ports? Not sure what you mean here.

It's not referring to ports or updates; the full sentence is "...games such as Bookworm, Peggle, and entries of the Bejeweled series were developed for multiple years." Lazman321 (talk) 03:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's all from me! TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 01:39, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TrademarkedTWOrantula: Thank you, I have addressed your concerns above. Lazman321 (talk) 03:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, looks like you've earned my support! TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 05:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Casliber

Loved this game and played it alot 20 years ago - I read this on the plane and honestly couldn't see any glaring errors on comprehensiveness and prose so consider this a tentative support pendign how others feel about it. 20:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Image review (passed)

File:Bejeweled Deluxe cover art.jpg - Source is almost a bare url, which is subject to link rot. More comprehensive sourcing information will help ensure continued verifiability.
File:Bejeweled deluxe sc1.jpg - FUR definitely needs to be beefed up more - for example, the C pathway indicated won't exist on most computers.
File:John Vechey, Brian Fiete, and Jason Kapalka at the Bejeweled Twist launch, 2008.jpg - Source is a bare url, which is subject to link rot. More comprehensive sourcing information will help ensure continued verifiability. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Crisco 1492: Thank you for your image review. I think the screenshot originates from the game's files, though honestly, given how well-known the match-three concept is and how the gems are already illustrated by the cover art. As for your point on link rot, I've honestly never been asked to address this regarding images before, even in FACs, so I'm not sure how to address it. I've replaced the links with archived links so they're less likely to be impacted by link rot. Lazman321 (talk) 03:03, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Generally it's better to have a bit more detail so that, if we have to go hunting, we know where to start. It still falls under Wikipedia:Verifiability, similar to the requirement to format references.

As for File:Bejeweled deluxe sc1.jpg, you'll note a) the file path does not indicate whether this screenshot is something that came packaged with the game, or was taken by the user, and b) it simply says "add image" as the purpose; that is insufficient under WP:FUR, which stipulates that we must address "What purpose does the image serve in the article?" (i.e., we need to show why "its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." — Chris Woodrich (talk) 03:10, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Crisco 1492: Oh, for clarification, I removed the screenshot; I don't think it's necessary given how well known match-three gameplay is and how the cover art already illustrates the gems. As for the other images: what? WP:V is the policy stipulating that information in an article must be attributable to a reliable source. The relevant policy for images would be WP:IUP, which says that the required information for uploaded images include "The copyright holder of the image or URL of the web page the image came from" (emphasis mine). This means a URL is all that is needed for sourcing an image; nothing else. Lazman321 (talk) 03:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is an image aside from a type of information? And flagging bare/near bare URLs is not new; Gao Qifeng had one marked at its FAC, for example. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:48, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added more information about each source on each of the images. Is this sufficient? Lazman321 (talk) 15:48, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that looks good. Thank you. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:51, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose comments

The game was inspired by a similar match browser game, - Match was already used above, so similar covers it sufficiently here.
At the time, the PopCap team consisted of John Vechey, Brian Fiete, and Jason Kapalka. - Reads as a non-sequitur, since the preceding and succeeding sentences both deal with the game.
Bejeweled has since been ported to many platforms, particularly mobile platforms - Platforms ... platforms
trial run - Why not link game demo instead of Wiktionary?
and included the game in their Hall of Fame in 2005,[46] becoming the only puzzle game alongside Tetris to do so - "to do so" -> "to be inducted"
Worth mentioning PopCap's use of Bejeweled mechanics in their other games? (Beghouled in Plants vs. Zombies comes to mind). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 02:14, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Crisco 1492: I have addressed your requests. Lazman321 (talk) 03:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Crisco 1492: It has been two weeks since my reply; could you please respond? Lazman321 (talk) 18:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I seem to not have saved my last comment. I support this article as an FA. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vacant0

Just ended my wikibreak. Will jump in and leave some comments! Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 09:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Considering that I peer reviewed this article, I noticed that only one of my recommendations were left undone:

The style of reference titles is currently inconsistent. It is recommended to have all titles use title case capitalization.

I've already reviewed rest of the article and from my point of view it meets the FAC criteria, but I had to re-read Reception and Legacy considering that they had been slightly rewritten. Once the reference titles get fixed, I'll support this nomination. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 08:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Vacant0: Thank you very much. I left the titles as is because of a post I made at Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 96#Title case. According to its responses, the guidelines on title case in reference titles largely only applies to major works; minor works such as articles and chapters can use either title or sentence case based on what the source uses. Lazman321 (talk) 00:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Vacant0: Considering Gog the Mild also requested this, Done. Lazman321 (talk) 21:42, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 11:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Who is John Walker from https://kotaku.com/from-bejeweled-to-plants-vs-zombies-how-popcap-got-jus-1844338169? Are pages like https://kotaku.com/15-years-later-november-2004-might-still-be-one-of-the-1839905549, https://archive.ph/aqd0P, https://www.gamespot.com/articles/polishing-bejeweled/1100-6301815/, https://www.pcgamer.com/popcap-week-john-vechey-on-founding-popcap-making-bejeweled/ and https://www.gamesradar.com/the-legacy-of-match-three-games-from-bejeweled-to-candy-crush/ subject to some kind of editorial review? Seems like sources are consistently formatted and reliable otherwise. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 14:44, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: Is there a reason you're suspicious? John Walker is a well-established video game journalist and editor who founded Rock Paper Shotgun, and aside from the PocketGamer.biz article about Gardenscapes, which is a blog post from a guest author that I have no problem with replacing, I find no reason to suspect that these articles didn't undergo the same editorial review as any other article. Lazman321 (talk) 00:04, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, I am trying to be a bit more rigorous with videogame sources than I usually am because I am not sure if WP:VGRS is still up-to-date and I don't have the expertise to judge VG sources otherwise. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've made a post on WT:VG/S for help. Lazman321 (talk) 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: After some consideration, I will remove the Kotaku article about November 2004 and replace it with a primary source, as the Kotaku article does seem to have citogenesis and fall under the "blog/geeky posts" that WP:VG/S recommends avoiding. Per responses to the post on WT:VG/S, the rest should be fine. Lazman321 (talk) 22:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I guess then. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:05, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment

References: article titles should consistently be in title case, regardless of how they appear in their original. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since you are the second reviewer who has asked this, I guess I might as well. Surprised you didn't request this for my prior FAs. Done Lazman321 (talk) 21:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Gog the Mild: Pinging. Lazman321 (talk) 21:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The MoS went through a period of flux, where it was just about reasonably possible to argue that the position wasn't clear, so I stopped asking for it. It has since firmed up, so I have started again. Sorry if you got caught out in the middle of that. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. I'll keep that in mind in the future. Lazman321 (talk) 22:38, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:47, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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