Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of The Magic School Bus characters

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The result was redirect to The Magic School Bus. No consensus for a standalone article, but viable ATD Star Mississippi 15:13, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of The Magic School Bus characters

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sourced mostly with primary sources that don't show general notability Artem.G (talk) 18:07, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Artem.G (talk) 18:07, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Comics and animation, and Lists. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:31, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article is almost entirely original research. It could probably be notable if rewritten completely, due to Magic School Bus's huge cultural impact, but per WP:TNT, it should be "blown up and started over" with actual sources being cited. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:05, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Artem.G, per the relevant guideline, "Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article". Your nomination, by contrast, focuses on only the state of the article. Given that the AfD guidelines provide a checklist of steps to carry out before nominating an article, what steps did you take to assess the notability of this particular topic before nominating the article for deletion? Moreover, given that you proposed deleting seven articles (1; 2; 3; 4; 5; 6; 7) with nearly identical rationales within the span of just 10 minutes (one of which has already been closed as a speedy keep), what pre-nomination steps could you have even taken in that time? --Usernameunique (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all articles/lists nominated by Artem.G. Very clear they're just spam AFDing without any consideration or doing any BEFORE because they find the pages poor and not based on GNG.★Trekker (talk) 19:47, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a reason. There was a message on afd talk page about these articles, and after googling for sources I've nominated them for deletion. If you want to improve article or find sources for GNG, great! If no, assume good faith. But yeah, I probably wouldn't participate in afd after that, feels like the worst place on the whole English wikipedia. Artem.G (talk) 20:33, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Usernameunique: On the contrary I think you are the WP:BITE one in this situation. Not only did this user say they would never come back to AfD because of your statement, but it also does not WP:AGF, a tenet of Wikipedia. It's fairly clear that these character articles are WP:ALLPLOT material that would need a full rewrite, so nominating a bunch of them in short succession is not even wrong. The guideline you are citing applies to the series itself, not a bunch of plotcruft written about the characters. Arguably we need more people patrolling articles that are totally unencyclopedic and unfit for Wikipedia. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:54, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm mot agreeing or disagreeing with this view as I haven't done my due diligence on it, but this would be an issue to raise at ANI and not here at AfD. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 18:31, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The actual verifiable information regarding the casting of the principal characters is already present on the respective articles of the two animated series. Almost the entirely of the article is not supported by reliable, secondary sources, creating WP:OR and WP:SYNTH concerns. There are no sources that I can find that would actually support that this list passes WP:LISTN or that a spinout article for the franchise is needed. What sources I can actually find that could potentially be considered from reliable sources that discuss any of the characters of the franchise are largely focused just on Miss Frizzle, specifically, and even then would probably not be considered significant coverage. The nomination very clearly states that it was being nominated due to sourcing and notability concerns, and the only Keep arguments are being founded entirely on arguments agains the nominator, and don't actually address those concerns, which appear to be completely valid in this case. Rorshacma (talk) 19:29, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to The Magic School Bus - Fails WP:LISTN as no independent, reliable sources discuss this group with significant coverage based on my searches. Any content with independent sourcing can be selectively merged into a new section titled "Characters". - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 18:35, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect we are WP:NOTTVTROPES Dronebogus (talk) 19:10, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to The Magic School Bus fails WP:LISTN no RS discuss this group with SIGCOV. // Timothy :: talk 10:39, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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