User talk:24.206.65.142

December 2024

Hello, I'm BilCat. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, General Electric GE90, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. BilCat (talk) 03:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please stop your disruptive editing.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Boeing 777, you may be blocked from editing. ZLEA _T\^C 15:11, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at General Electric GE90. ZLEA _T\^C 15:14, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Its not vandalism, Fnlayson has adjusted some of my edits but not reverted like you have. Plus some information on GE90 is outdated since 777 Classics production has ended and no 777-300 was ordered with GE90. 24.206.65.142 (talk) 15:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't speculate on Fnlayson's reasoning. If they're truly fine with your edits, they'll say so. We also need sources that explicitly state that no 777-300 were ordered with the GE90. The FAA TCDS is not enough, as it makes no mention of orders and more engines can be added with a Supplemental Type Certificate (STC). - ZLEA _T\^C 15:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also noticed that the specifications table for 777-300 only lists the RR Trent 800 and PW 4000.

I'm not saying the 777-300 was equipped with the GE90, just that you have not provided any sources that actually support your claims. If you can provide a reliable source that explicitly (not implicitly through omission) states that no 777-300s were ordered with the engine, then you can add it to the article. - ZLEA _T\^C 15:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You don't need to make a big deal of this, but if you insist then the registration of 777-300s shows that they have either Trent 800 or PW 4000. [1] 24.206.65.142 (talk) 17:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That would be WP:OR. If reliable sources don't consider the lack of GE90-powered 777-300s to be worth noting, then neither do we. Wikipedia summarizes what reliable sources say, not what they don't say. - ZLEA _T\^C 17:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Template:2025 Indian Premier League Teams. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 03:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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777F

Please do not add unofficial designations to for the 777F to the Boeing 777 article. The existence of the unofficial "777-200LRF" designation is already covered in the article, and there is no need to "make it clear that it refers to original production 777F" since no other variant has been referred to by that designation. - ZLEA _T\^C 14:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fnlayson is okay with use of 777-200LRF, plus these sources makes reference to 777-200LRF versus the 777-300ERSF https://leehamnews.com/2018/07/17/farnborough-boeing-global-services-ponders-777-300er-p2f-program/ https://www.atlasairworldwide.com/boeing-fleet/777-200lrf/ https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers/kalitta-to-be-launch-operator-of-777-300ersf-converted-freighter/140852.article 24.206.65.142 (talk) 15:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If Fnlayson is okay with prominently using unofficial designations in place of the official designation, they have not made it clear. - ZLEA _T\^C 15:12, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you have a problem with the way Boeing designates its aircraft, you will have to bring it up with Boeing. Like it or not, no amount of operators using "777-200LRF" will change the fact that it is unofficial and improper. No such aircraft has appeared in official Boeing or FAA documents. - ZLEA _T\^C 15:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Both designations are correct. 777F is Boeing's original launch name, however numerous cargo operators and the conversion company have used 777-200LRF to specifically distinguish it from the 777-300ERSF aftermarket conversion, plus there is an upcoming 777-8F.

What part of no amount of operators using "777-200LRF" will change the fact that it is unofficial and improper don't you understand? Give me one example of Boeing or the FAA referring to the 777F as "777-200LRF", that's all I'm asking. - ZLEA _T\^C 15:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is not required. For clarify 777-200LRF will clear up the confusion with subsequent 777 freighter models. 24.206.65.142 (talk) 17:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If Boeing thought there would be any confusion between the 777F and other freighter variants, they would have redesignated the 777F themselves. The "777-200LRF" designation is misinformation, plain and simple. It was made up by a few 777F operators in an attempt to solve a non-existent problem. Using this false designation will only create more confusion as it fools readers into believing Boeing built a variant under that designation, which they absolutely did not. - ZLEA _T\^C 17:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have been asked to stop this numerous times by multiple people. If you want to change the consensus that "777-200LRF" is unofficial, you will have to present any evidence you have on the article's talk page. Such evidence should either demonstrate that (1) Boeing and/or the FAA has used the designation in an official manner, or (2) there exists an aftermarket conversion for existing aircraft offered under that designation that is identical to the Boeing-built 777F. Continuing to go against consensus without providing said evidence will almost certainly result in a block. - ZLEA _T\^C 04:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted to last version by Fnlayson. 777-200LRF was already mentioned as "unofficial" once in the article. 24.206.65.142 (talk) 14:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The point is that "777-200LRF" was already mentioned once in the article. Let's not legitimize the unofficial designation any more than we have to. That is, unless you can provide evidence of the designation being used by Boeing or the FAA, or that it actually refers to an aftermarket conversion that is identical to the factory-built 777F. - ZLEA _T\^C 18:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fnlayson is okay with it so that constitutes consensus. With 777-200LRF cargo airlines are using a reasonably designation (within Boeing's guidelines). 24.206.65.142 (talk) 18:37, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See you at WP:AN/I. - ZLEA _T\^C 18:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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