Talk:Dick Simpson (politician)
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Nominator: SecretName101 (talk · contribs) 17:56, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: IntentionallyDense (talk · contribs) 05:40, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- I will be reviewing this shortly. I use the GA Table and make most of my comments below the table so it is easier for nominators to respond to my feedback. I usually start with assessing images, stability, and sources then move on from there. I am fine with nominators responding to my feedback as it is given or all at the end. If you have any questions feel free to either ask me here or leave a message on my talk page! IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 05:40, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
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1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | Prose is good. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:31, 21 February 2025 (UTC) |
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | Relevant areas of MOS complied with. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:31, 21 February 2025 (UTC) |
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check: | ||
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2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | reflist exists. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 01:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC) |
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2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | I checked the following sources and found no issues: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10]. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 01:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC) |
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2c. it contains no original research. | No OR. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 01:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC) |
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2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. | written in authors own words. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 01:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC) |
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3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | Addresses main topics. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:31, 21 February 2025 (UTC) |
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3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | no needed details. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:31, 21 February 2025 (UTC) |
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4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | neutral, IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:31, 21 February 2025 (UTC) |
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5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | article is stable. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 01:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC) |
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6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | photo is tagged. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 01:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC) |
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6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | photo is relevant and captioned. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 01:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC) |
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7. Overall assessment. | On hold until SecretName101 responds to my feedback. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 18:11, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
As shown above, this article meets all GA criteria. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:31, 21 February 2025 (UTC) |
- This is optional but consider adding archive links for the paywalled sources. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 01:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'm noticing quite a few small single sentence paragraphs such as
Simpson began teaching as a political science professor... Simpson was a cofounder of the Independent Precinct Organization... Simpson served two terms as a Chicago alderman for the 44th Ward...
These should either be expanded or combined into other paragraphs. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 01:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC) - For criteria 1, 3, and 4 I usually read through the article carefully and provide feedback as I read. This often looks like me suggesting things be reworded, asking for further explanation etc. Oftentimes I will ask questions about the article that come from a place of not being educated on the topic. Sometimes these questions don't have answers or don't result in any changes needing to be made. I ask these questions so I can better understand the topic and thus better provide feedback. Throughout this process, I often make small changes to grammar or punctuation. I try to make these changes by section and if you disagree with any changes I make feel free to revert them! IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 01:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
- One thing I noticed is that your article doesn't include any criticisms of Simpson. I have a hard time believing that as a politician no one ever had anything critical to say about him. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 18:11, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Nevermind ignore this point. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 19:47, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, I am sure you noticed (hence why you withdrew this as a matter of concern) that there are critiques of him already in the article. For instance, the assessment from 1978 by Milton Rakove is not very flattering (Rakove seems to have felt that Simpson did not actually get much of anything done as a councilor member because he refused to make the pragmatic compromises that would have been needed to effectuate tangible change). Also, the article outlines that he passed very few ordinances of his own on the council, which is not a particularly positive thing to note about a legislator. SecretName101 (talk) 12:49, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Nevermind ignore this point. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 19:47, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
Early life
[edit]- "Dick" is his full first name (as opposed to "Dick" being a nickname for the first name "Richard", as it more commonly is). This sentence just doesn't quite flow right. I suggest something along the lines of
Dick" is his full first name and not a nickname, as opposed to the common usage of "Dick" as shortened version of "Richard"
or something like that. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:03, 3 February 2025 (UTC)- Maybe I'll go further and also make this a notetag rather than described within the body itself (since it is perhaps trivial to most readers, though important to some who might be seeking to research him further to know that legal records will use "Dick" as his legal name). SecretName101 (talk) 18:19, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Sounds good. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 18:21, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe I'll go further and also make this a notetag rather than described within the body itself (since it is perhaps trivial to most readers, though important to some who might be seeking to research him further to know that legal records will use "Dick" as his legal name). SecretName101 (talk) 18:19, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- He graduated from the University of Texas in 1963.[3] He received his PhD from Indiana University.[5] He spent some time in Sierra Leone completing research for his doctoral dissertation. this bit feels really repetitive and I feel like you could join some of these concepts together like so:
After graduating from the University of Texas in 1963, Simpson received his PhD from Indiana University. He spent some time in Sierra Leone completing research for his doctoral dissertation.
Early career
[edit]then was promoted to his statewide Illinois campaign manager
remove "his"? IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:03, 3 February 2025 (UTC)Simpson participated in protests held during the convention.
if relevant it may be worth noting what these protests were about. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:03, 3 February 2025 (UTC)Singer, a 29-year old political newcomer, won an upset victory over a candidate supported by the city's Democratic political machine.[10][11] Singer's victory was by a very narrow 427 votes in the runoff election against an opponent backed by the Democratic Party organization.[10][12] Singer's election was seen as ushering in an era of prominence for the city's lakefront liberal voting bloc.
Is all of this info on Singer truly relevant? I'm asking because it seems a bit much but I also haven't read enough of the sources to evaluate the importance. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:03, 3 February 2025 (UTC)- @IntentionallyDense It’s not information about singer in this context so much as it is information about the campaign that Simpson was manager of, and the notability of the victory of said campaign. SecretName101 (talk) 12:32, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
Aldermanic career
[edit]Simpson was first elected in 1971
it's unclear what he was elected for. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:03, 3 February 2025 (UTC)- I'd have thought the main section heading it follows (indicating that what follows relates to his time on the council) and preceding paragraphs it follows (describing the fact that he served as a councilor for two terms) would have been clarity enough. But it does not hurt to add a few more words to make sure no readers find themselves lost.
- done SecretName101 (talk) 12:35, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
In the redistricting that took place before the 1971 election, the 44th ward was redrawn to include less of the heavily Jewish and politically independent lakefront, and to include more of the heavily Democratic areas to the west, making it a harder district for Simpson to win as an independent than it had been for Singer to win as an independent
this sentence is pretty long, I'd consider splitting it up. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:03, 3 February 2025 (UTC)Decades after Simpson left the council, journalist and news editor Bruce Dold remarked,
quotes should be in quotation marks. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 18:06, 4 February 2025 (UTC)- @IntentionallyDense not if said quotation is contained in a block quote, as is the case there.
- See MOS:BLOCKQUOTE, it might help clear that up for you SecretName101 (talk) 12:38, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- Good to know. I didn't know this. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 04:21, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- I too learned it from another editor telling me years back. SecretName101 (talk) 15:29, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Good to know. I didn't know this. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 04:21, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
Young won election but resigned soon after taking office, citing "personal reasons".
should be "the election" but may be worth adding in a wikilink for the election (so like the 1938 xyz election). IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 18:06, 4 February 2025 (UTC)- Year is already specified in the first sentence of the subsection.
- there is no 1979 Chicago City Council article on Wikipedia to link to. A red link could be added if you would want that SecretName101 (talk) 12:42, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- meh if there is no wikilink for it then it's not a huge deal in my opinion. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 04:21, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
Post-aldermanic career
[edit]Simpson has also been a filmmaker
any more info on this? IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 18:06, 4 February 2025 (UTC)- Looked, have not yet found details. Will see if I can dig deeper SecretName101 (talk) 15:26, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
Lede
[edit]- Are the two refs in the lede really needed? IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 18:06, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- I could figure out where to move them in the body. SecretName101 (talk) 18:15, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Changed SecretName101 (talk) 18:18, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- I could figure out where to move them in the body. SecretName101 (talk) 18:15, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- SecretName101, Just checking in, how are you doing with making some of the changes I proposed? IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 20:00, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- good. Most have been addressed, I believe SecretName101 (talk) 21:28, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, the main thing I'm looking for is modifying the paragraph lengths to comply with the MOS. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 01:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- Will edit that SecretName101 (talk) 03:25, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- Made some edits along those lines. SecretName101 (talk) 09:55, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Early career still has quite a few shorter paragraphs. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 02:59, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'll work on that right now. (sorry had received no ping so didn't realize a reply had come to my previous comment until today). STill, I should have checked this page more frequently) SecretName101 (talk) 19:20, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- Revised that section @IntentionallyDense SecretName101 (talk) 19:25, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- Early career still has quite a few shorter paragraphs. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 02:59, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
- Made some edits along those lines. SecretName101 (talk) 09:55, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Will edit that SecretName101 (talk) 03:25, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, the main thing I'm looking for is modifying the paragraph lengths to comply with the MOS. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 01:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- good. Most have been addressed, I believe SecretName101 (talk) 21:28, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
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