Talk:Atlantis: The Lost Empire

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Copyright problem removed

Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: bibleinmylanguage.com/atlantis-the-lost-empire-dvd-2001-atlantisz-az-elveszett-birodalom-directed-by-gary-trousdale-kirk-wise-starring-michael-j-fox-james-garner-cree-summer-don-novello-phil-morris-walt-disney-classic. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.)

For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and, if allowed under fair use, may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, provided it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Therefore, such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Geardona (talk to me?) 13:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Voice cast section

Hello. I think we should discuss a potential rewrite of the voice cast section, since it was removed due to a WP:COPYVIO. Any thoughts or ideas? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:19, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

A simple name and role list can't be a copyright violation as it is a just a simple list derived from the credits with no original creative content. Descriptions would be more of an issue and could be left out for now. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:40, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

It's not a copyvio, that source page listed above is clearly copying from Wikipedia and in fact much of the text was present when this article passed FAC in 2012. The constant reverts is confounding to me, and I see no reason why the voice cast section should not be restored, just as it was present when it was promoted to feature article status. DanCherek (talk) 21:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@Geardona: (Replying here to reduce Nthep's talk page notifications...) My guess is the 2001 indicates the film's release year rather than the website publishing date. The giveaways for me are the matches between the FAC-promoted version and the website; the way that the summary starts out exactly as every film article on Wikipedia does, and the credits section being a copy-and-paste from the Wikipedia article's infobox. I agree that they aren't properly crediting Wikipedia, as many websites unfortunately don't. DanCherek (talk) 21:57, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

That looks right, I would say backwards copy is more likely, it also showed up for some reason as having been added 2 days ago on here. Geardona (talk to me?) 22:01, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I will plan to restore the section unless there are further objections (tagging previous reverters, Sjones23 and MrOllie); given the above, I don't believe it's a copyright violation, and given that all of the content was there when the article was passed at FAC, I don't think it's undue. (This is regarding the "Voice cast" section only, not the edits to the plot summary.) DanCherek (talk) 22:05, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I don’t object, better safe than sorry with copyvios and we have proven it not to be one, so it is a moot point. Geardona (talk to me?) 22:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Why remove the voice cast in Atlantis The Lost Empire. Other pages have voice cast in them. 102.222.30.213 (talk) 10:15, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

As was said earlier, it contained a possible copyright violation, leading to its removal. On Wikipedia, we have to be extremely careful of copyright violations and take them very seriously. After responding to the suspect copyright violation, I requested revisions to be deleted to eliminate the violation. As it turns out it was a backwards copy, so the other website copied from us. The revisions are being undeleted now that the problem has been resolved. Geardona (talk to me?) 13:16, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

I also partially restored some of the character descriptions as well. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:40, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Mako001: Can you explain your revert at 23:15, 10 February 2024 (UTC)‎ yesterday? As explained above, I think it is exceedingly unlikely that this is a copyright violation. DanCherek (talk) 15:25, 11 February 2024 (UTC) DanCherek (talk) 15:25, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that was a crappy revert. I should probably have actually had a closer look at what was actually being claimed as a copyvio instead of just taking someone else's word for it. It would be sensible to reinstate it. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 21:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Just wanted to chime in real quick here, I personally hand wrote that entire section using my own thoughts and prose one night studying for my college exams while viewing the supplemental features DVD from the boxed DVD set. I wish the source in question would attribute that, but alas they are my words nonetheless. DrNegative (talk) 18:02, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

You are legally able to take some form of action. I forget where the guide is though. Geardona (talk to me?) 19:13, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Plot section

Hello. While I am streamlining the plot to comply with the relevant guidelines at WP:STREAMLINE and WP:FILMPLOT, I thought I would open a discussion on any potential rewrites and/or suggestions here as this article is an WP:FA. Local editor feedback would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 04:23, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Deaths

About Helga's final scene, her death isn't shown on screen nor does the official illustrated script mention it (she's still alive when she uses her flare gun on the balloon carrying Kida; Rourke is eventually killed when Milo uses the crystal shard on him and pushes what's left of him into the balloon's blades). Thus, it is considered a violation of our original research policy. Unless we have a reliable source confirming Helga's death (i.e. audio commentary, etc.), we should just describe what happens on the screen. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:24, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

My suggestion

A full rewrite. I removed the opening sentence which is a mystery for the viewer but is repeated twice in the plot for the opening and the reveal, so I merged the two together. Explained more about the city decline and why.

In 1914 Washington, D.C., mild-mannered archaeo-linguist Milo Thatch obsesses over finding the legendary lost city of Atlantis, believed to have sunk thousands of years ago. His employers ridicule his theories, but he gains an unexpected ally in eccentric millionaire Preston B. Whitmore, a friend of Milo's deceased adventurer grandfather who also sought the city. Determined to honor his old friend's quest, Whitmore recruits Milo for an expedition to Atlantis, having recently uncovered the Shepherd's Journal, an ancient Atlantean manuscript that contains directions to the lost city.

Aboard the submarine Ulysses, Milo meets his teammates: Commander Lyle Tiberius Rourke, Lieutenant Helga Sinclair, demolitions expert Vincenzo Santorini, geologist Gaetan "Mole" Molière, medical officer Joshua Sweet, mechanic Audrey Ramirez, radio operator Wilhelmina Packard, mess cook Jebidiah "Cookie" Farnsworth, and a platoon of mercenaries. Upon reaching a cave entrance said to lead to the lost city, the submarine is destroyed by a massive mechanical leviathan, killing most of the crew. Milo and the survivors escape in smaller crafts, navigating through the cave tunnel to emerge among ancient ruins.

Milo translates the journal, guiding the team through caves beneath a dormant volcano until they reach the worn remains of Atlantis. There, they are greeted by Princess Kida, who, despite being around 8,500 years old, appears as a young woman. She leads them to her father, the King, who orders them to leave.

Learning that Milo can read their language—a skill lost to the Atlanteans over millennia—Kida asks for his help in uncovering their forgotten history and highly-advanced technology, without which the city has declined and resources have dwindled. Milo also learns that Atlantis is powered by the Heart of Atlantis, a massive crystal that grants longevity and health to its citizens through the smaller crystals they carry.

Rourke betrays Milo and the Atlanteans, revealing his true intention—to steal the Heart for profit, despite knowing the Atlanteans will perish without it. He mortally wounds the King while seizing control and uncovers the crystal's hidden location beneath the city. Sensing the danger, the crystal merges with Kida, who is then captured by Rourke. He departs with the crystallized Kida and his mercenaries, except for Vincenzo, Molière, Sweet, Audrey, Packard, and Cookie, who refuse to take part in the Atlanteans' destruction.

With his final breaths, the King reveals that Atlantis was devastated by a megatsunami caused by his attempt to weaponize the crystal's vast power. To protect the city, the crystal merged with a member of the royal family, Kida's mother. This created a protective dome over the city's inner district, shielding it from total destruction as Atlantis sank beneath the waves but Kida's mother never returned. To prevent the crystal from ever merging with Kida, the King hid it, inadvertently accelerating Atlantis' decline. He warns Milo that Kida will be lost forever if she is not soon separated from the crystal and pleads with him to save her.

Alongisde his allies , Milo rallies the Atlanteans to reactivate their long-dormant flying machines. Together, they eliminate Rourke's mercenaries in the volcano. Milo kills Rourke with a crystal shard before he and the others fly the crystallized Kida back to Atlantis as the volcano erupts. Kida ascends into the air and awakens Stone Guardians, who erect a barrier that shields the city from the lava flow. With Atlantis saved, the crystal separates from Kida and remains suspended in the sky.

Milo chooses to stay in Atlantis with Kida, having fallen in love with her. Before returning to the surface, Vincenzo, Molière, Sweet, Audrey, Packard, and Cookie each receive a small crystal and a share of treasure. The six reunite with Preston on the surface and agree to keep their adventure a secret to protect Atlantis. Preston opens a package from Milo containing his own crystal and a note thanking him.

The newly crowned Queen Kida and Milo carve a stone effigy of her father to join those of past rulers floating beside the Heart of Atlantis, as the city stands restored to its former glory.

That could work. I'll implement it in the article. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:46, 8 March 2025 (UTC)