Hi all - we've built a very custom and complex application and UI using custom Vue.js + Nuxt.js, which sits on top of a GraphQL API provided by Symfony.\n\n
It's a completely custom UI for administration with lots of complex data relationships and the way we've done it has worked very well... however...\n\n
Now we need to build a second part of the system, which is a simpler CRUD style application for managing a simpler data object, but one that still has many relationships. It doesn't need quite as much flexibility, but we do need to deliver it faster if possible.\n\n
We've looked at various options, for example:\n- What we've got (Symfony/GraphQL/Apollo/Vue/Nuxt)\n- A simpler version of the above using a REST API\n- Symfony + API-Platform + Vue3\n- Native Symfony server rendered\n\nWhen we consider other frameworks, we always seem to hit stumbling blocks - my lead developer is not keen to use anything that will restrict what he can do, but I also need to consider whether there are faster / cheaper / better solutions out there. \n\n
The frameworks all seem to be able to create the code to update / delete individual data tables with ease, but make it difficult / impossible when there are complex data relationships.\n\n
Does anyone have any other ideas before we continue the way we are doing things?\n\n
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I want to develop a small start up website that has simple CRUD but beautiful UI and UX (an invitation website actually). I need the website to be on market quickly so I'm planning to use BaaS (which is Firebase) for handling the Backend stuff. Now what's left is the Frontend. I'm looking for a suitable Frontend framework for me to work with. I'm pretty new to Javascript and after I did some research, I'm considering Next.js and Nuxt.js.\n\nAnyway, the frameworks that previously I've worked with are Laravel and Flutter.\n\nSo which one is the recommended Frontend web framework for me, Next.js or Nuxt.js? Considering previous frameworks that I've worked with, which one will be fit for me to learn and develop quickly?\n\n
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I would choose Next.js / Nuxt.js or SvelteKit as they're implemented to support the backend that manages cookies/sessions/API/reactive components and props.\n\nThe good thing about them is that if ever your app grows with a ton of traffic, you can easily migrate your SSR app and use other programming languages such as Golang or Rust to serve the API.\n\nNestJS is only used for the backend side, however, the backend side of this is already offered from these big 3 (Next/Nuxt/SvelteKit), as these 3 major SSR Frameworks were able to connect from RDB / MongoDB / GraphQL / 3rd Party APIs, you name it!\n\nRegarding websocket / service-worker (PWA) / wasm, those big 3 can do it too\n\n
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