Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tamluk Royal Family

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The result was merge‎ to Tamralipta. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tamluk Royal Family

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Fails WP:GNG. See Draft:Tamluk Royal Family; draft was repeatedly declined and then finally rejected for notability reasons before being recreated in article space regardless. As far as I can tell -- and I used Google Translate to search the cited Bengali sources for mentions of the word Tamluk in addition to checking Google Books for English sources -- none of the available secondary sources pass WP:SIGCOV. --Richard Yin (talk) 01:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Royalty and nobility, India, and West Bengal. Shellwood (talk) 01:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Sir check "Mahisya" word too..and it will pass..I have checked..I think we need bengali editors for it... KhasEkadashTili (talk) 15:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)~~[reply]

~~https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/History_Culture_and_Antiquities_of_T%C4%81mr/TCFuAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0&bsq=tamluk%20royal%20family%20mahishya KhasEkadashTili (talk) 15:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)~~ WP:SOCKSTRIKE --Richard Yin (talk) 22:49, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@KhasEkadashTili: Please read WP:Notability, especially the section on significant coverage. It is not enough if a source only mentions the subject. The source needs to spend significant page space talking about the subject in detail, and as far as I can tell all of the books on Google Books only mention the Tamluk royal family once or twice. If you can show a chapter of a book that is about the Tamluk royal family or a news article written about their history or something they have done, that might show that the subject is notable and should have a Wikipedia article. --Richard Yin (talk) 03:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I shall show 117.194.225.93 (talk) 12:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/The_Gupta_Empire/uYXDB2gIYbwC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=tamluk+royal+family&pg=PA139&printsec=frontcover from 139 117.194.225.93 (talk) 12:31, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=RmIOAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA64&dq=tamluk%20royal%20family&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwjHrrmGw-aKAxV1VmwGHVrxCogQ6AF6BAgGEAM&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR13h8c4kgWqat_gafWeAFXhuey6d55hz8jVOeo_8yNe4pl546FZaDrW9ls_aem_DBnlnbChSJtaPQ9v0D0VAw#v=onepage&q=tamluk%20royal%20family&f=false KhasEkadashTili (talk) 16:19, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In this Book there is a whole chapter for this royal family..it is in bengali + there is mention of tamluk royal family throughout the book :-- https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.303693/page/n9/mode/2up KhasEkadashTili (talk) 18:02, 8 January 2025 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE --Richard Yin (talk) 22:49, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://purbamedinipur.gov.in/history/ government document

https://www.news18.com/news/india/ahead-of-bengal-municipal-polls-royal-descendant-dipendra-narayan-roy-visits-voters-4771787.html 117.194.225.93 (talk) 12:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/A_Statistical_Account_of_Bengal/HNgMAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 page 62 https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/History_Culture_and_Antiquities_of_T%C4%81mr/TCFuAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=tamluk%20royal%20family this book is about tamluk and it has mentioned tamluk royal family multiple times 117.194.225.93 (talk) 12:27, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~https://amritmahotsav.nic.in/district-reopsitory-detail.htm?26147 KhasEkadashTili (talk) 16:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)~~[reply]

~~Sir I have added sources...check it!! KhasEkadashTili (talk) 16:19, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]~~

~~https://www.telegraphindia.com/amp/my-kolkata/places/tamluk-a-port-city-as-old-as-the-mahabharata-yet-lost-in-history/cid/2028906 KhasEkadashTili (talk) 16:31, 8 January 2025 (UTC)~~ WP:SOCKSTRIKE --Richard Yin (talk) 22:49, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

here is a source

[1]https://purbamedinipur.gov.in/history/?fbclid=IwY2xjawHrhzZleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHViXs5fyoJfVjCNxj4Czqq84XtauVUIKkwIVAQO5bDaMbxNzzoShG0o-iA_aem_325afzFF-Rf6zefgYRUqrQ Hamir samanta (talk) 16:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sir here another source page 213

[2]https://books.google.co.in/books?id=DT-i9HWMeNYC&q=tamluk+raja+mahishya&dq=tamluk+raja+mahishya&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwju9vuuyeaKAxXfUGwGHWZeJSg4FBDoAXoECAsQAw&fbclid=IwY2xjawHri8tleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHfwn9WHh0I78VyYVxEq0xu0XwuobnW2CkYMQ8_IGFsjzvMnAZyYDb2GLXw_aem_NpwPv57BqK4RYFDVwYaoHw#tamluk%20raja%20mahishya Hamir samanta (talk) 16:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Hamir samanta @KhasEkadashTili: The sources you've listed here go into detail on Tamluk the town, but none of them (that I can read) have more than one sentence about the royal family. I'll see if someone else can check the Bengali sources, but please try to look for sources that provide significant detail about the royal family, not just about the town or the ruined palace. --Richard Yin (talk) 18:27, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See discussion here. --Richard Yin (talk) 18:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Reposted discussion thread here. --Richard Yin (talk) 23:00, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete a lack of evidence of sigcov. Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
CU Note I've blocked the article's author, KhasEkadashTili, as a sock of SWAPAN.CHAKROBARTY011112. Please disregard their comments in the above discussion. Girth Summit _(blether) 17:27, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep – This topic is very interesting and has potential, but the article needs very immediate improvements and reliable sources. Otherwise, retaining the page in its current state would be difficult. Jaozinhoanaozinho (talk) 21:09, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This topic has sufficient coverages in news medias -[3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11]. I agree with Jaozinhoanaozinho, this article has scope of improvements.Chanchaldm2 (talk) 15:03, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Of the sources listed here I don't think any actually provide WP:SIGCOV for the Tamluk royal family itself, but I do see significant coverage for some other topics. It might be appropriate to move (with substantial rewriting) to Surendra Narayan Roy or Tamluk Rajpari; alternatively the article could be merged into Tamralipta with a section about the legacy of its royal family. --Richard Yin (talk) 19:20, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(To clarify to closing admin: this is me offering a potential compromise for anyone interested in preserving the article's content. My preferred outcome is still delete, since of the many sources listed in this discussion I've yet to read one that appears to satisfy WP:SIGCOV, and I've read every one I'm capable of reading, either natively or through Google Translate) --Richard Yin (talk) 03:52, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not one of these sources is a WP:HISTRS. - Ratnahastin (talk) 04:23, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am not opposed to a merge either. If the article isn't improved from the current state, relevant contents should be moved to Tamralipta. Chanchaldm2 (talk) 05:46, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Richard Yin, not opposed to a merge. - Ratnahastin (talk) 04:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This discussion is very far from a consensus right now and that hasn't been helped by sockpuppetry and iffy sources offered. So, I'm relisting this to get more feedback and, if editors are considering a Merge or Redirection, please offer ONE target article. If you want to rename this article, you'll need to argue to Keep it and then a rename can be considered. AFDs do not close as a rename as that's an editing decision, not a deletion decision.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:53, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Per nom. After evaluating the sources I did not find any significant coverage on the Tamluk Royal Family. Clearly fails to meet WP:GNG. RangersRus (talk) 15:11, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.