Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sophia Leone

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Sandstein 17:52, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sophia Leone

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Deceased porn performer who did not have an article while she was alive. Death is not a notable event. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 16:08, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple news articles surrounding this person's death. Should not have been marked for deletion. 71.147.48.38 (talk) 16:40, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And yet it was. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 16:50, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep the discussion civil. An administrator can decide if this page will remain. Counterfeit Purses is now ranting on my Talk Page. Like I said, I am OK with the decision of the administrator either way. This is not personal. Yellowbear48 (talk) 22:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge to an appropriate "list of deaths" article. Looks to be WP:BLP1E for her death. Phönedinger's jellyfish II (talk) 16:49, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per the jellyfish. All news coverage about her appears to be exclusively about her death.— Moriwen (talk) 17:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Only passes notability test because of death. Breaches. WP:BLP1E Jamesparkin (talk) 18:49, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would counter that she is notable NOT for her death, but for being in over 150 adult films, amassing over a million dollars, and for being a social media influencer. Her death was an event that covered her career (many events) as documented in the Internet Adult Film Database.Yellowbear48 (talk) 06:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Women, Sexuality and gender, and Florida. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:29, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Question/suggestion (feel free to consider it's a !vote):~~ coverage being what it is, redirect to List_of_pornographic_performers_by_decade#Female_7. I've just added her name there (choose any of the numerous refs you might want to add). Note: I can't find any list of deaths that her page could be redirected to. Pornography in the United States might also be considered.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:49, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why does it need to be redirected to anywhere? How is directing her name to a list that she isn't in helpful to a reader? Counterfeit Purses (talk) 19:57, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She is in the list. Redirecting as alternative to deletion because coverage exists, allow me to repeat myself. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Sorry I thought I had added her before to the list; did not publish the edit; just did it now) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mushy Yank She wasn't in the list when I made my comment. She won't be in that list if this article gets deleted. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 20:27, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the first sentence, -again, my bad I had forgotten to publish her insertion- not the second: not all actors in the list have a standalone page (edit: on the English WP). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are free to disagree if you want, but that is a list of notable porn performers and Sophia Leone will be removed if this article is deleted. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 21:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, if you say so. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:35, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should be kept regardless of if her name shows up in some arbitrary list. FrostSpider (talk) 00:38, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She actually was a notable performer. Let's be blunt about a couple of things. I'm sure there are scores of notable performers in the adult film industry that don't have pages because someone might be afraid to suggest creating one. They don't want to open themselves up to be called names for suggesting one. Second, she's more notable that a lot of names I see pop up on the recent passings page. I've seen countless regional TV and Radio host appear on the page, as well as many very obscure political figures from overseas. Some of who even Alexa could not find information on. Trust me, you delete Sophia's page, and I and others could recommend close to 5,000 pages on here for deletion. Sportsfan1976 I'm only here because I'm not currently somewhere else. (talk) 12:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fallacy I detect here by the pro-delete crowd is that she is notable due to her death - this is factually untrue and seems to miss the one-event stipulation's purpose. She did in fact receive massive coverage mainly after her death, but this coverage was based on many notable events throughout her life (on one major adult site, she is mentioned in numerous articles over the years). I also read the notability guidelines with regard to celebrities, and as a performer with over 100 films, in addition to the media coverage and her social media influence, she seems at minimum on the border of notability. Given that she now has an article from People magazine, I believe this crosses over into notability. I also note the growing number of objections to deletion on this page. Yellowbear48 (talk) 13:33, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Most sources are non-RS, the New York Post and others. I'm not sure why the Hindustan Times covers an article about her death from halfway across the world, when non-RS on this side of the planet ignore it. That strange sort of undisclosed promotional items in Indian media, that have no other coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 00:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Her death is notable in the sense that recently quite a few people with similar jobs have ended their lives. The pattern is notable. So Delete, but maybe cause for a meta topic? 95.96.130.127 (talk) 02:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Typical superficial 'mainstream' news coverage most porn performers get when they die. Most of the sourcing seems questionable as well. Nothing else out there of substance to create a better article. GoldenAgeFan1 (talk) 03:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I added Complex and Parade Magazine. These are fairly reputable sources. Yellowbear48 (talk) 06:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Upon re-reading this comment, whether conscious or unconscious, there is condescension regarding the profession of the performer (note the wording "most porn performers"). Notability is not decided by the moral views of editors. This is not meant as an attack on the editor - I merely note that the career-choice of the performer appears to be influencing some editors. Yellowbear48 (talk) 07:21, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm rather shocked she didn't have a page, considering she was one of the top performers in adult films in adult films in the late 2010's and very a brief time, was one of the top paid. The fact she didn't have one while she was alive was clearly an oversight. I say we keep her page and flesh it out better.

Because if what you said is going to be the standard, then there might be a couple of thousand pages that would be subject to deletion. Sportsfan1976 I'm only here because I'm not currently somewhere else. (talk) 12:07, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I understand the arguments from everyone here and I also wholeheartedly agree with the majority of the editors opinion on this article. Abishe (talk) 16:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Abishe So you think the article should be deleted? Counterfeit Purses (talk) 16:49, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Humanly I feel deeply sorry for her premature and unjust death, but as porn actress she never made the definitive leap towards undisputed notability, probably because she never engaged in scenes which could grant her relevant awards in the industry. -- Blackcat 21:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I did some quick digging on Sophia, and in addition to her extensive adult career, covered by significant news sources, she was a social media influencer with over 100,000 followers on Twitter and 300,000 followers on Instagram. I am certain that if given the time I could dig up sources to make her page more substantial with proper sourcing. I think an opportunity should be given to improve the article for some set period. Yellowbear48 (talk) 04:59, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will list here the reputable sources used or added for Sophia Leone.

1. People

2. The Independent

3. Complex

4. Parade Magazine

There are also other decent sources that have been added. I believe this list is superior to other pages I have seen on Wikipedia. Again, this is just my opinion. Yellowbear48 (talk) 08:23, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. No indicia of encyclopedic notability. BD2412 T 19:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Jmg38 (talk) 23:57, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She had a following (over 300,000), people are curious. This is where we go to learn. It sounds as if you have another axe to grind possibly with her employment. 66.214.145.179 (talk) 20:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am inclined to agree with you that some may have an issue with her employment. She had over 400,000 followers on Twitter and Instagram combined - almost a half-million - and news coverage of her has been extensive. I will object to this article's removal at the highest levels, and will request a greater grace period. There is no consensus here as defined by Wikipedia policy. Yellowbear48 (talk) 01:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.