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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The advocates of keeping the article have one and all failed to address any of the rationales given for deletion, and their own rationales are not based in policy. Anyone who wants to create a redirect at this title is free to do so. Deor (talk) 10:43, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sabina Altynbekova

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17-year-old volleyball player, unexceptional other than for her attractiveness. She's currently in the news over attention to her appearance. There's no claim to notability for her work on the 7th-place team. The roster for her team, Kazakhstan women's national volleyball team, shows that no other teammate has been deemed sufficiently notable for Wikipedia, presumably because they are not as babelicious as Ms. Altynbekova.

It was nominated for speedy deletion, but (correctly, I think) declined because the article asserts significance (although I hold that the assertion fails).

This is Allison Stokke all over again. TJRC (talk) 18:38, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete At best notable for one event. Not worth having an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:00, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment after having read that horrible example of how bad Wikipedia was in 2007 (hopefully we would not have had such a close fight to keep such a horrible, lack of respect for human dignity article today), I think we can see why this article should go. Despite the claims of some back in 2007, Ms. Stokke has done nothing since to come close to being notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:55, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, though I'm fine with people being mainly known for their good looks! In this case the event is very recent indeed (the last week) and, though the has been widely featured in major newspapers they've done little more than report on the number of Facebook fanpages and Twitter followers (which I'd describe as shallow journalism). Finally Sabina Altynbekova has said herself she would far rather be known for her volleyball skills. At the moment she clearly doesn't meet WP:NSPORT criteria, having only played in a few junior matches. Overall I'd prefer we waitied to see how her career progresses beyond this week, before enshrining her here. Sionk (talk) 20:31, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:BLP1E applies.--180.172.239.231 (talk) 01:14, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kazakhstan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:20, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:20, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

contribs) 10:11, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Obviously an Internationally recognised sportswoman"...how so? What are your sources, the articles that all say the same thing? "There are literally thousands of wikipedia pages on sports-persons"...meaning what? That by simply being a "sports-person", Ms. Altynbekova automatically receives relevance? Kkbay (talk) 00:43, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • COMMENT It's clear the nominee of this AfD isn't familiar with the sport of Volleyball. The Kazakhstan national Volleyball team isn't "7th placed", it is 7th seeded in the World Championship. That means her team is ranked 7th out of 105 other national teams in the Fédération Internationale de Volleyball. Quite an achievement for a developing nation.
To compare an international sportswoman like Sabina Altynbekova with Allison Stokke (a high school athlete somewhere in the mid west of the US) is fallacious.
The nominee of this article even casually uses the sneer of "babelicious" whilst making this nomination for AfD.
Which is the phrase now being used by the Twitter "trolls" and other juveniles on social media sites (like 4chan), so it certainly indicates the nominee may be acting in bad faith. TeddyTesseract (talk) 12:59, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I agree if she had played in an international match for the senior women's team I would vote 'keep'. But she has only played in the junior team [1][2], so wouldn't meet WP:NSPORT. Sionk (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some clarifications:
    • As Sionk points out, Ms. Altynbekova is on the junior team, not the senior team. The Kazakhstan women's national volleyball team article appears to list a roster for the Junior team only. I just edited that article to make that clear ([3]). Note that the Junior roster is unreferenced; the FIVB site does not appear to include it (another factor suggesting lack of notability).
    • The "seventh-place" refers to their standing in the tournament; see, e.g., [4] ("Besides, she shared her impression from the championship where Kazakhstan's team ended up in the 7th place.")
    • Not that it matters, but the Kazakhstan Junior team is ranked 36th ([5]) and the Senior team is ranked 23rd ([6]); neither is ranked 7th.
    • Finally, the notability of the team is not material to the notability of particular members of it. The notability of a team is not inherited by its members; see WP:NOTINHERITED. For Ms. Altynbekova to be deemed notable, there needs to be some basis of notability for the individual, not mere membership on the team. TJRC (talk) 18:14, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Just like articles of any other athletes and there are a ton of sources talking about her. Plus, 6 foreign language Wikipedias have an article on this athlete and she is on the national team. Supersaiyen312 (talk) 22:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect - Redirect to Kazakhstan_women's_national_volleyball_team#Junior, and properly source the section of that article. --Jax 0677 (talk) 06:16, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A redirect sounds good. Or we should just remove the "event" (if you can even call it an "event") and talk about the person. But then agian, even the captain of the team doesn't have an article. Supersaiyen312 (talk) 13:13, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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