Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kai Trump

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The result was redirect‎ to Donald Trump Jr.#Family. Overwhelming consensus not to keep this as a standalone page, but no convincing arguments against the broadly supported ATD. Owen× ☎ 14:59, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kai Trump

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A minor member of the extended Trump clan who has no history beyond a speech at the GOP convention. Probably ought to redirect to Dad's list of offspring given that except for the one sentence its all either very basic tabloid/royal-watcher detail or is about other people. Not seeing any independent notability and I don't see having a WP:BLP on a minor child on the basis of one public appearance. Mangoe (talk) 14:54, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Baron wasn't notable here at the last AfD and he at least has some sort of notability... A grandchild is even less so, they're still a high school student, no different than thousands of others, having a famous grandparent isn't notable. Oaktree b (talk) 16:57, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NINHERITED. Aside from one public appearance, all this individual has for notability is being the grandchild of Trump, but notability is not inherited. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 17:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed—only one short public appearance is not notable. Supercavitated (talk) 23:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Politics, and New York. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Notability is not inherited. Procyon117 (talk) 20:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~* Delete~~ Redirect to Donald Trump Jr.#Family per nom. and others. A case of WP:NOTINHERITED, fails WP:GNG. Sal2100 (talk) 22:57, 18 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

- Changing above !vote to redirect based on subsequent comments. Standalone page is unwarranted per WP:NOPAGE and WP:GNG. Sal2100 (talk) 15:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. In itself it has no relevance. She's a golfer, and a lot of people are golfers. The only relevance is that she is Donald Trump's granddaughter, but by herself, I repeat, she has no relevance. --Luciérnaga de conocimiento (talk) 01:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. She's getting a lot of press for her speech, but her notability is currently based solely on being the grandchild of Donald Trump. SWinxy (talk) 02:18, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the article is a joke. Her birthweight is in there? Because there is nothing else to discuss. I don't think a redirect to Family of Donald Trump is called for, but if someone makes an argument I would consider it. Walsh90210 (talk) 04:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete with fire. Zero relevance, GNG, NOTINHERITED, and so on. Holy Christ. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 05:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Perhaps in time she will do more to distinguish herself to merit her own page. At present, there is not enough. She is still pretty young though. The RNC speech would be a good starting point for a page but more is needed to have one. Count3D (talk) 16:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Family of Donald Trump, same as Barron's AFD last month. I'm surprised at all these "delete" votes. It's not "delete" because it's an obviously viable search term, because WP:ATD, and because the Trump family article is obviously the place for content about granddaughter Kai. She received press coverage before her RNC speech (does anybody do WP:BEFORE anymore?), both as a member of the family and as a youth golfer: People (magazine) 2007, Us Weekly 2017, South China Morning Post 2021, ¡Hola! 2023, Footwear News 2023, and of course now she is getting full write-ups such as this ABC News bio. Frankly, she is right on the border of WP:GNG-notable -- you know if she was a male footballer, there would be 25 "keeps! meets GNG!" votes here -- but while it's debatable whether a standalone is merited, there is definitely enough RS coverage here for a paragraph in the Trump family article. Due to her youth and WP:NOTNEWS, I'm voting merge instead of keep, but she will likely become notable enough for a stand-alone, quite possibly due to her golfing career and/or becoming an online influencer. But there is no way this is a "delete". Levivich (talk) 17:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mangoe makes a good case for redirecting this until/unless there’s adequate RS coverage for a suitable standalone article, so I agree we should redirect it to ~~Family of Donald Trump~~Donald Trump Jr.#Family for now. Levivich also makes some good points regarding merging being preferable to deletion given that’s it’s likely to be a reasonable search term. 28bytes (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
comment re merge/redirect Family of Donald Trump does not enumerate the grandchildren, so it is not a good target. I suggest Donald Trump Jr.#Family which does list his children. Mangoe (talk) 19:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Corrected, thanks. 28bytes (talk) 19:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Yes, that might be a better target.~~ Levivich (talk) 19:29, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After thinking about it more, I still prefer the family article than the father's article. Why not her mother's article? An article about the family is a better place for this content than merging daughters into articles about their fathers. F the patriarchy. Levivich (talk) 16:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever you think about the patriarchy, it's that name Trump and her descent through his son that makes anyone care about her. And again, the problem with redirecting to the family article, how many times am I going to have to say it, is that it doesn't mention her. If you want to F the patriarchy, then change your response to "delete". Mangoe (talk) 16:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why this needs explanation but a WP:MERGE involves taking content from one article and putting it in another article, so it's ok if it's not there already. She isn't famous because of who her father is, she is famous because of who her grandfather is. And including the family members in an article about the family is better than merging a daughter to her father's article simply because he's her father. Levivich (talk) 17:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly because I lost track that you had switched to a merge outcome. I mean, if you feel up to writing up all the rest of Don Sr.'s grandchildren, I suppose, it would be seriously WP:UNDUE to put details about only her so you could justify the redirect. And I really don't see how there's anything much to merge other than the info that's already in Don Jr.'s article. I don't know why we're repeating her birth weight other than because we can, and as far as I can see the entire last paragraph is about other people. And I still don't see your argument. Mangoe (talk) 02:43, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

redirect to Donald Trump Jr.#Family per Levivich. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:33, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Do Not Merge. Fails ANYBIO, BLPSOURCE. Passing mentions. Insignificant coverage. Nothing notable to merge, no CCS to justify a Merge. Bugger Merging. ——Serial Number 54129 20:14, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect: per 28bytes. I was a "weak keep" on Barron, but this is pure BLP1E. Queen of Hearts ^talk 22:16, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Donald Trump Jr.#Family, per WP:BLP1E. hinnk (talk) 07:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Donald_Trump_Jr.#Family where she gets substantial mention. PamD 08:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Donald Trump Jr.#Family per above. You can find her name there. Haruka Amaranth 13:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Donald_Trump_Jr.#Family: Subject is WP:NOTINHERETED at this point, and does not have the sustained coverage yet to meet the WP:GNG. Redirect as a WP:ATD with the history preserved in the event the subject receives more coverage. Let'srun (talk) 15:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Donald Trump Jr.#Family per above. RECENTISM abounds. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Donald_Trump_Jr.#Family. Not notable enough to have a standalone article. Keivan.f^Talk 21:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per previous votes. The news cycle will end and she will stop getting media attention. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 18:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notice: The following was posted on the afd talk page by an IP user Sal2100 (talk) 18:42, 22 July 2024 (UTC):[reply]
- It should not be deleted. Kai is now a public figure. 68.101.167.132 (talk) 02:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Donald Trump Jr.#Family per WP:BLP. Despite her convention appearance, she is a minor and warrants extra care for privacy per WP:MINORS. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:17, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't be anymore obvious the demands for deletion are based on political grievance, inappropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aihyah (talk • contribs) 07:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.