Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Schlossberg

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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:02, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Schlossberg

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Scholossberg is a 1st year law student, who wrote for his college paper as an undergrad, helped some of his high school friends organize volunteer efforts, got photographed a few times because his mom was an ambassador, and got a bunch of human interest and tabloid coverage as afterglow from very famous relatives. He has done absolutely nothing that even comes close to making him notable, and the coverage is not at all of a level to establish notability. I know this has gone through discussions before, but they have all ignored the rule that we write articles based on the preesent not on possible future situations, and at present Schlossberg is a non-notable law student. This may change in the future, but he is non-notable at present. They were also under the old name of this article, which makes it a bit confusing. I accidentally at first created this as number 4. I also do not know how to link the previous 3 or so nominations to this one. John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:37, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Nothing has changed from the previous AfDs except new additional sources have been added. This is a notable individual for all the reasons laid out over the course of many years by dozens of editors in multiple AfDs and DRVs. The nom believes "He has done absolutely nothing that makes him notable" .. he has significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. Notability is not an award for achievement, anyone can be notable for any reason, including public and press interest. -- GreenC 14:50, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This guy gets even more coverage now than he did in previous years when I participated in some of the past deletion discussions for him. I just clicked the NEWS link at the top of this AFD and see results from as recent as Nov 17, 2017 from People magazine where he talks about climate change. Please stop wasting time trying to delete this. It meets the requirements for a Wikipedia article. Dream Focus 15:42, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- an unremarkable socialite; does not appear to have achieved anything significant. The article is full of trivia, such as:

"On April 10, 2016, he and Caroline greeted the then U.S. Secretary of State, John Kerry who arrived at the Iwakuni Marine Corps Air Station..." Etc.

Being on a best-dressed list is not a claim of significance. Wikipedia is not a tabloid or a society page in a newspaper. K.e.coffman (talk) 16:59, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Though I am a bit swayed by K.e.coffman's comments, as I agree just being a socialite isn't enough, there's considerable mention in press of this individual. Notability isn't inherited, to be sure. While he hasn't done anything notable yet, he does attract considerable attention in the press [1]. This is a sufficient pass per WP:GNG. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:54, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think five AfDs and 2 DRVs says the community has well-considered this topic. I looked no further than one DRV, where I found this comment, "The delete voters did not address the sources presented and only argued against the non-existent opinion of "he's notable because he's a Kennedy." [2] Unscintillating (talk) 04:02, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note There are two concurrent nominations here. I have requested an administrator at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Schlossberg (4th nomination). Unscintillating (talk) 04:28, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: The following two keep/delete recommendations were moved from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Schlossberg (4th nomination). The other AfD is a duplicate and concurrent AfD nomination, and these recommendations were moved to merge the two AfDs.

Keep - People may only notice him because of his relations and physical appearance and he may have done nothing particularly remarkable, but he has enough coverage in independent reliable sources ([3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11]) to pass WP:GNG. -Indy beetle (talk) 07:38, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete --WP:TOOSOON if ever. WP is not the Social Register Rhadow (talk) 10:43, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Does the subject qualify as a model? No. As an academic? No. As a social entrepreneur? No. The argument is that he earned notability by the quantity of press he gets -- press he wouldn't get but for the other seven people mentioned in the piece. Rhadow (talk) 22:07, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Kennedy family is America's "royalty". He is active in noble things (philanthropy, etc.) which seals the deal as far as his "nobility".desmay (talk) 00:01, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Royalty? "No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States". Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution

[12] Jack Schlossberg · 7/1/2016 - 11/30/2017 · 659,116 pageviews. In the years before then the page had a different name, so more views then as well. He gets coverage for quite a large variety of things, not just passing mention because of who his famous relative was. Dream Focus 02:14, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, so now the argument is this: he has a Wikipedia article, therefore he is notable. That is circular logic of the first order. Rhadow (talk) 12:22, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

He is notable because he clearly passes WP:GNG. I just thought that an interesting fact, how many people come here to read about him. Dream Focus 12:45, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It gets 1000 to 4000 views a day or 100s of thousands a year, plus it would create a couple hundred red backlinks which would be disruptive. The last AfD was closed by User:Sandstein with this prophetic message: the chance to obtain a "delete" consensus in any future nomination appears remote in the extreme. This remains true and John Pack Lambert was a participant in that AfD and should take heed. It's wasting everyone's time and becoming disruptive. -- GreenC 16:03, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"it would create a couple hundred red backlinks" -- Now the argument is that incumbency trumps the innate notability of the subject. I'll remember that. Rhadow (talk) 16:18, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The notability "argument" for keep is WP:GNG as noted in the Keep votes. -- GreenC 16:40, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It would create a bunch of red backlinks because his name's been put on a bunch of templates. I don't know how many pages he's actually linked from. --Hammersoft (talk) 01:43, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for reasons that can also be seen in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mary Lincoln Beckwith, sometimes - not often, but sometimes, just being a scion gets you sufficient attention in WP:RS to carry you past WP:GNG. Even though you have never "done" anything.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:12, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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