Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dayton High School (Texas)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dayton High School (Texas)

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It's just a high school. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 03:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools, and Texas. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is a second active AfD nomination by an editor with very few (56) edits, with an invalid deletion rationale of "just a high school". Just as with the other nomination, it is a school over 100 years old with many, many references available. Jacona (talk) 14:50, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I assume this editor found this high school looking through my | contributions after my response in a previous deletion discussion. Dayton High School has been established for many years and a very simple Google news tab [search] yields more than enough results to satisfy the GNG guidelines. This editor is acting in bad faith and seems to be going on a streak of overzealous deletion given the apparent inexperience in AFD and lack of rationale. BurgeoningContracting 16:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BurgeoningContracting A Google search shows lots of results but any high school is going to be mentioned a lot in local media. Which of those search results are non-trivial coverage in reliable, independent sources? Counterfeit Purses (talk) 17:12, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how you define trivial or independent, as the sources are both. Perhaps you did not look at the "news" tab like I had stated. A Newspapers.com search yields thousands of results going back to the establishment of Dayton ISD in the late 1800s. BurgeoningContracting 17:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BurgeoningContracting That link doesn't work for me. I don't have access to Wikipedia library. The first result I get in a Google news search is "Dayton school board considering policy change for students who attend games" in the Dayton Daily News. As I said, any school will have mentions in the local news - football game scores, graduations, etc. Is there any in-depth reporting about the school from outside of the local community? Saying why this school is notable? Counterfeit Purses (talk) 17:37, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dayton Daily News is an Dayton-based paper. Not Dayton, Texas. I find it remarkable you are not able to access the Newspapers.com link, but you can certainly see this version. Just because you cannot see or find the results on Google does not mean they do not exist. There are too many examples to link. BurgeoningContracting 17:59, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BurgeoningContracting You're right. So it's not even an article about the same high school, which just shows that having a lot of search results doesn't mean that something has non-trivial, independent coverage in reliable secondary sources. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 18:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what you it is that you mean by "trivial." I'm afraid this is a case of disruptive behavior to make a point since I am handing you these sources into your own hands. BurgeoningContracting 18:21, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BurgeoningContracting "Trivial" in this case is the opposite of "substantive". See WP:SIGCOV. I have no idea what you mmean by "I am handing you these sources into your own hands". Which sources? Counterfeit Purses (talk) 18:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If one is to read the significant coverage guideline, it will read, "addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." Obviously, both search options I presented, again, yield various results that satisfy this requirement. I will no longer respond to your replies, since it seems this is a case of plain disruptive behavior, more specifically, a case of I Can't Hear you BurgeoningContracting 18:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BurgeoningContracting I can't hear you because you aren't answering my question. I have told you that I can't access the newspapers.com articles and the Google search results aren't helpful. What are the reliable sources that provide significant, independent coverage to show that this high school belongs in Wikipedia? If you have some, why not tell me what they are or add them to the article? Counterfeit Purses (talk) 20:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Counterfeit Purses, Your ability to access a source doesn't make a source valid or invalid. If you aren't capable of doing the research, why are you nominating articles for deletion? — Jacona (talk) 21:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jacona I don't understand the game-playing here. You both claim you have useful sources. If there are sources, just add them to the article. Or post links here. I really don't understand how it is helpful to keep them to yourself. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 21:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Counterfeit Purses, I'm playing no game. I'm not keeping anything to myself, I've found thousands of sources, and given you some instruction on how to find them. If you can't find them, you do not have the skills needed to do the job, so gain those skills. I am willing to help, as are others. Competency is required, and you don't seem to have it nor are you willing to get it, so why are you nominating articles for deletion if you don't have the capability or willingness to do the research? — Jacona (talk) 21:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - According to Category:Public high schools in Texas, there are approximately 766 total Texas high schools listed on Wikipedia. Of those, 485 are Category:Texas high school stubs, unknown how many are Start class. So, "It's just a high school" doesn't seem a valid reason for deletion. — Maile (talk) 02:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:GNG. No valid rationale given for deletion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per al forementioned reasons above. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 11:55, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets WP:GNG. Also, saying "it's just a high school" on Wikipedia in 2023 as an AFD nomination is simply unacceptable, and of course this nominator and beautiful troll knows it.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 21:03, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep - the AGF rational is that this was an overly ambitious action by a new editor. With there being no opposition to keeping and no valid rationale for deletion this ( and the editor's other nom) should just be closed. With appropriate counseling for the editor in question, of course. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 22:05, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I hadn't gotten all the way down the list. The other deletion discussion has already been closed speedy keep. This one should be too. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 23:45, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, just a simple google search gives numerous reliable sources about Dayton High School (Texas), has been in existence for a long time. Micheal Kaluba (talk) 20:06, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.