Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Attichitcuk
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Withdrawn by nominator. I was a participant in this AfD, but given the unanimous agreement as to this outcome, I went ahead and closed this out. Non-admin close. Xymmax (talk) 21:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Article on a NN minor character written up like a biography. No references, particularly no discussion of this particular character in reliable, third-party secondary sources. Fails WP:FICT and our most basic content policies in every aspect. I wouldn't want unilateral redirecting to the appropriate articles or lists, so I decided to set up this discussion. Please note that deleting (or redirecting) would mean salvaging verifiable information from the current articles as appropriate, with no prejudice to future creation or splitting off iff third-party sources can be found to reference necessary real-world context that is currently missing from all of these articles. User:Dorftrottel 10:47, January 30, 2008 10:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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As far as I can tell, all of these are articles about characters of low to zero real-world notability outside of fan circles. But I'm not an expert, so please point out any erroneous inclusions as well as missing inclusions. I decided to leave out some articles like e.g. IG-88, Jango Fett or Kyle Katarn where despite their shortcomings efforts have been made to include at least some real-world perspective and thereby justify the existence of a separate article. This list was assembled from List of Star Wars characters, sorted by first letter of article name. Also note that I personally tagged some of these back in September 2007, without much effect. And although there is no deadline, it seems very unlikely that any of these can be rewritten as proper encyclopedic articles. The main overall problem I see here is that some fail to see that while we're trying to assemble an encyclopedia of all human knowledge, we cannot achieve this by recreating and mirroring the inner logic and semantic connections of a fictional universe.
Please note that I purposefully didn't mark the other articles as up for deletion, because the compromise to merge and redirect them into the appropriate main articles or lists appears far more viable and capable of winning a majority consensus. User:Dorftrottel 12:41, January 30, 2008
- This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 15:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep By default. There's simply too much here to be decided by one Afd. Possibly some of these could be merged into the various list articles that already exist, but I doubt any of them are strong candidates for outright deletion, and the notability levels are distinctly uneven: a nomination that includes both a random stormtrooper (TK-421) and a major character (Count Dooku) is fundamentally unworkable. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:18, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Procedural keep. Per above, absolutely no way to fairly consider the merits of approx. 75 pages at once. Xymmax (talk) 17:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep for the reasons given above. I decided to check one of the entries at random, TK-421, and much to my surprise, it does have a discussion of the cultural effect of this character outside the original movies. --Itub (talk) 18:03, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh for the love of gawd, Relist separately! (launches a volley of snowballs at the nom) -- RoninBK T C 19:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 19:31, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 19:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment -- and, for now, bureaucratic keep -- I struck Saul Karath since I redirected that article; I think some of these others can similarly be redirected, and I'll make a point to spend some time continuing to do that. I agree with the other comments that there are too many here with too much disparity -- movie or EU appearance? merchandised or no? protagonist or background character? -- to effectively examine. I suggest redirect and prods for those that the nominator deems appropriate, and encourage separate AfDs (not necessarily individual, but a little more discerning) for the stragglers after prod expiration. --EEMIV (talk) 19:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Additionally, three of the articles listed above and "nominated" for AfD do not have an AfD tag on them. No way they can go through this process without those tags. --EEMIV (talk) 19:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok then. Withdrawn by nom. User:Dorftrottel 19:59, January 30, 2008
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.