User talk:TheTimesAreAChanging

Jan 2023

@TheTimesAreAChanging Hello, its one thing to make valid criticism of an edit, its yet another to make adhominem attacks against other editors like you did here [1] with no regards to Assumimg Good Faith. If you have doubts regarding my WP:NPOV, you are welcome to discuss the edits with Civility and by focusing on the content, so long as you stop making Personal attacks. ~~ shadowwarrior8 (talk) 14:58 28 January 2023

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Dreamcast Sales Numbers

Please actually check out the source I posted. Its from Sega of Japans offical Website. It isn't from a press release but from the Dreamcast page in their Hardware History section. They (the page doesn't have an author listed) state that the Dreamcast sold more than 10 million units. Just because someone else once falsly claimed that it sold 10.6 million units, which Sega doesn't even claim just that it sold more than 10 million units, doesn't mean that the 9.13 million sales number is written in stone. The source for the Playstation 2 sales numbers on Wikipedia is basically the same thing, a page from the offical Sony Website about their hardware history so I do not understand why this page couldn't be used as a source for the sales numbers of the Sega Dreamcast despite literally being from Sega themselve. 178.27.108.243 (talk) 09:46, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Here is the relevant excerpt. The page was released on Novmeber 5, 2018 and is entirely in japanese:

セガ最後の家庭用ゲーム機『ドリームキャスト』は累計1,000万台あまりが世に送り出されました。

Which translates to:

Sega's last home video game console, the Dreamcast, sold a total of more than 10 million units.

Here is a link to the page as well as a link to an archive of the page from 3 days ago:

https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/column/column_06.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20241007020058/https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/column/column_06.html 178.27.108.243 (talk) 09:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

178.27.108.243, I reviewed the source that you provided; however, it appears to be close to a blog post, and not obviously more reliable than the 9.13 million CESA figure reported in Zackariasson et al. (Routledge, 2012).

More broadly, what happens on the PlayStation 2 article has no direct bearing on Dreamcast. You are now edit-warring against a prior talk page consensus, complete with a notice not to change the sales figure without consensus.

If you would like to discuss this further, it may be more productive to do so with the community at Talk:Dreamcast, rather than on my user talk page.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 10:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

178.27.108.243, tangentially, this edit fails verification because the sources do not state that "Virtua Fighter 2 is the best-selling Sega Saturn game." Regardless of the truth of the claim, you should be aware that Wikipedia has strict sourcing requirements that do not permit editors to engage in original synthesis of reliable sources to reach conclusions not directly supported by the citations provided.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 10:28, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

You should change the Wikipedia page for Virtua Fighter 2 as well since its state there that: the top-selling game worldwide for the Sega Saturn [is Virtua Fighter 2].

Can I add Virtua Fighter 2 as the best selling game if I write that it was only the best selling in Japan?

I wasn't aware of 10.6 million claim nor of the debate about its credibility that happened nearly a decaded ago.

I however fail to see how that claim and debate means that the Dreamcast section of: The encyclopedia of Sega video game consoles from Sega of Japan's offical website which according to the banner on its index page (found here: https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/index.html) is: based on existing documents/materials at Sega (Original Text in Japanese: セガに現存する資料をもとに、歴代セガハードをご紹介) isn't a crediable source. I doubt that the japanese employee who created those pages used english internet discussions and rumors about console sales numbers as a source.

Your claim about Sega maybe just rounded up the Saturns unit sales number to 6 million also is just your speculation since you don't provide any proof.

In the case of the Mega Drive which sold about 3.58 million units according to Famitus the Megad Drive section of: The encyclopedia of Sega video game consoles states that: More than 3 million units of the “Mega Drive” were sold in Japan. (Original Text in Japanese: 『メガドライブ』は日本において300万台以上が販売されました。)

This doesn't prove that Sega didn't round up the Sega Saturn unit sales number but is at least an example form the same source that shows that for one of their other consoles they definitly didn't just round up to the next higher number. 178.27.108.243 (talk) 12:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)