User talk:Preimage

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AfC notification: Draft:Pumarosa has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Pumarosa. Thanks! Oltrepier (talk) 18:04, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

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Oltrepier (talk) 12:54, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Black copper

The article Black copper has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

This is a disambiguation page which has Tenorite, which never mention the name, and a non-existent page. Dismbigustions should only be when there are pages to differentiate, not non-existent ones or those of zero apparent relevance.

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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Ldm1954 (talk) 20:03, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. See talk page for further discussion—I'd like your feedback on the alternatives detailed there. Preimage (talk) 04:51, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Plagiarism

I read your analysis of the plagiarism of some chemistry articles by the Turkish company's website. My guess is that other wikichem prose has been plagiarized in theses, journals, and textbooks. Maybe I should try out the Earwig app. --Smokefoot (talk) 14:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm far from an expert on scientific misconduct, but it's important work that's not for the faint-hearted. Best of luck if you do decide to proceed further.

NB. The most organized anti-plagiarism effort looks to be the Vroniplag collaboration (with an initial focus on PhD dissertations of politicians and other prominent figures, though they've since branched out). German-language website, but they might have some useful pointers/resources. Preimage (talk) 02:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Please explain

Preimage, what was problematic about what the other editor did at my User page that you reverted?

I know that he got rid of a stray letter … but that was a good thing, not a problem. I'm not aware of any other edit that he made. Augnablik (talk) 14:59, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry @Augnablik, looks like I was over-hasty — cleaning up after an editor permablocked for disruptive editing, including on talk pages — but as you say, those edits look harmless. Preimage (talk) 15:06, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

That permablocked editor was something I'd also like to ask about. You weren't referring to Luke Elaine Burke, were you — the editor who fixed the stray letter. Augnablik (talk) 15:40, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Yep. They edited your page twice, first adding the stray letter, then removing it (while adding a trailing space). But have a look at the other edits they've made over the last 24 hours: Special:Contributions/Luke Elaine Burke.

IDK, it's hard with kids. Two of the best editors I've seen started by vandalizing WP when they were young, so you don't want to be too harsh. But even before Luke got fed up and started making silly edits, he seems to have inadvertently been disruptive several times — and if a new editor's going to make hundreds of edits, but they're not good at listening to advice or fixing their mistakes, we can't afford to support that indefinitely. Though you may have had some positive interactions with them. I guess what I'm saying is that if they're eventually unblocked, they'll need a good mentor (not that I'm volunteering). Preimage (talk) 16:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

@Preimage, I'm really confused about Luke. He and I just started interacting through messages in the past few days because he's been editing an article I've been interested to work on and I wrote him about that.

I did notice that strangely, he doesn't seem to have a Talk page — and yet when I click on his name in Help Desk discussions, I end up where we can carry on a conversation. Also, there seem to be two names for him: Luke Elaine Burke and L.E.Rainer.

If he's permablocked, how can he be involved in Help Desk discussions and carrying on conversations with me now? Augnablik (talk) 17:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Was a very recent block. He's been unblocked now, as per this and this. Hopefully he stays out of trouble from now on; if he keeps messing around, I doubt he'll get another chance. Preimage (talk) 02:13, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

I was really surprised to know Luke had been "messing around" and "disruptive" because in the small amount of time we interacted, and from his User page, he seemed completely the opposite. I was actually impressed by a few of his self-descriptions as someone who loves learning and — I forget the actual wording now — something along the lines of also helping others understand things.

I don't want to take a chance on working together with him if he's likely to do whatever he did again — though if he's young, as you seemed to know, and perhaps something of a geek as well, perhaps it was just a phase.

I thought to ask you more specifically what he did but no — I think I'll just tell him that since we first connected, I came to know he'd been blocked and that I hope now he'll use his self-described love of learning and helping others understand things to work toward the Wikipedia mission. Which can be even more fun, let alone productive.

Augnablik (talk) 02:48, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

AFAICT, he wasn't harassing people or anything like that, otherwise he wouldn't have been unblocked. Just several instances of potentially-annoying/disruptive behavior. I first started worrying about him when I noticed he'd been answering other new users' questions at the Teahouse without mentioning he was also a new editor — again, not malicious, but unfortunate if they're assuming that you're one of the experienced editors whose job it is to answer questions, and it's not great if you're saying you'll help fix stuff without having all the skills needed to do that properly.

To be clear, I'm not a super experienced user either (see User:PleaseStand/User info for the easiest way to keep track of this), and new users will inevitably make mistakes — reading policy pages and following experienced editors helps, but there's just too much to learn in one go. Part of the job of experienced editors is to teach newbies the ropes without biting their head off. And Luke's article-space edits aren't actually too bad, especially for a newbie.

So yeah, I'm not going to try and give you advice about the best course of action. If you still reckon he can help out with the article(s) you're editing, feel free to enlist him. But either way, WP is a volunteer-driven website, and no-one else should feel responsible for the situation here — what happens to Luke on WP is ultimately up to him. Preimage (talk) 03:17, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

I was touched by your last message, Preimage … especially "Part of the job of experienced editors is to teach newbies the ropes without biting their head off." Because I'm a teacher and trainer, that deeply resonates with me.

And as for you, I'm sure you have a promising life ahead as an experienced Wiki editor helping incoming flocks of newbies. Augnablik (talk) 03:45, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Re: names, his account name is Luke Elaine Burke but he's using a custom signature to sign his posts as L.E. Rainer, which is fine, lots of users do this. Preimage (talk) 02:31, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't aware of that. Augnablik (talk) 02:53, 14 December 2024 (UTC)