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Question from Amogelang22 on User talk:Amogelang22 (10:34, 9 November 2024)

Hello Can i ask How can create an article based on my culture --Amogelang22 (talk) 10:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So who deleted it and why Amogelang22 (talk) 11:20, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see any deleted contributions on this account – did you have a different one? Best, House Blaster (he/they) 15:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i heard someone saying that the account contribution has been deleted Amogelang22 (talk) 15:32, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that good news is that has not happened! Nothing has been deleted. Best, House Blaster (he/they) 15:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

okaythats good Amogelang22 (talk) 15:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

can I ask you a question Amogelang22 (talk) 15:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course! House Blaster (he/they) 15:45, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

why people are abusive to us as their fellow community members Amogelang22 (talk) 15:55, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how did you start being a Wikimedia member Amogelang22 (talk) 15:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can read about my start at Wikipedia at User:Clovermoss/Editor reflections/1–100#User:HouseBlaster – December 2, 2023 :) House Blaster (he/they) 16:02, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Was it easy Amogelang22 (talk) 08:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not super easy, but very rewarding! House Blaster (he/they) 16:16, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How Amogelang22 (talk) 07:25, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I used Help:Getting started, which has lots of helpful information! House Blaster (he/they) 15:39, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

then what were the rewards Amogelang22 (talk) 18:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There aren't any tangible rewards (except WP:TWL). You do it because it is fun, which is its own reward :) House Blaster (he/they) 23:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

okay Amogelang22 (talk) 03:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Establishment category in country by century/resolve

Hi HouseBlaster, looks like you did a great job automating Template:Establishment category in country by century – thanks! However, you left Template:Establishment category in country by century/resolve still using the old parameters, and this is not mentioned in the documentation. E.g. [1] for usage.

Perhaps the neatest thing would be a separate version of /core with more resolving, and a switch in the main template to use that core instead if there was a new parameter resolve=yes. Would you care to implement this, please? – Fayenatic London 12:51, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to do that later today :) House Blaster (he/they) 14:07, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update: it is not as easy as I thought it would be; I hope to do this Friday night (when I can dedicate a sustained period of time). Apologies for the delay. House Blaster (he/they) 01:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done House Blaster (he/they) 02:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi @HouseBlaster can you tell me what this post is about? This user (and others) have previously cast unsubstantiated accusations like this at me before and that he has been warned of this behaviour before.

As I also mentioned to other admins this sort of bad faith editing behaviour is pushing me away from this site. Galdrack (talk) 01:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Galdrack. I am a clerk for ArbCom, and given the brewing arbitration case about Palestine-Israel articles I am steering away from anything "in the weeds". You are, of course, welcome to file a report at WP:ANI or ask a recently active admin for more substantive advice. Sorry I am unable to help further. Best, House Blaster (he/they) 04:25, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's ok thanks for the help, I'll try and look into it further when I have more energy. Galdrack (talk) 20:08, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Pizzzyy (01:38, 20 November 2024)

Hey there!! I am trying to do my first wiki page for a sealion that has a remarkable journey and has recently gained traction on tiktok and local media. Found it odd she didn’t have her own wiki page, so was happy to get the ball rolling. There’s a lot more that goes into it than I initially thought, so really want to the formatting, structure, and information to be as accurate as possible.

I saw the reference page auto fills, I added it myself, also the pictures and the main profile wireframe, where does that come from/how do I add? The photos I just find online, so don’t own them myself, adding pathway to the photos didn’t work. I’ve read all the steps that need to be taken, but feel I am missing a bunch of things.

Thanks for your time! --Pizzzyy (talk) 01:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Pizzzyy, and welcome to Wikipedia! So before I can answer your question, we need to make sure that this topic is eligible for inclusion on Wikipedia. We have a lot of articles (almost seven million!), but not everything meets our threshold for inclusion, which is given the unfortunate misnomer "notability", even though it has nothing to do with fame or importance. To be eligible for inclusions, we need to have two or three reliable sources which are independent of the subject and cover it in detail. Reliable sources have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, so social media is out. We have a far from complete list of sources considered reliable, but we are looking for sources like The New York Times. Independent sources means nothing affiliated with the animal itself, such as the zoo. And finally "significant coverage" generally means two or three paragraphs of detail. Once you have those, we can get to the actual writing. I realize that this is a lot of information; creating a new article from scratch is one of the hardest tasks on Wikipedia! But I am here to help, and am more than happy to answer any questions you might have along the way :) Best, House Blaster (he/they) 04:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @HouseBlaster thanks for your quick reply!!

This can be a little tough because I only found a couple reputable 3rd party news outlets, one being a local NBC affiliated one out of Buffalo, and a mention in a larger article from a CBS publication out of Chicago

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/local/beloved-sea-lion-returns-to-aquarium-of-niagara/71-43250598-d299-49d9-91e3-372dfe3c165f

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/two-california-sea-lion-pups-make-public-debut-at-brookfield-zoo/

others just cited the cbs article like

https://news.wttw.com/2017/07/21/2-california-sea-lion-pups-debut-brookfield-zoo

https://abc7ny.com/sea-lion-pups-baby-lions-born/2126869/

I did find this in a subscription article by the Niagara Gizette

https://www.niagara-gazette.com/news/local_news/aquarium-of-niagara-celebrates-sea-lion-s-return/article_6987ddf1-91fd-5566-8dda-74e8776b9dce.html

And the Buffalo News, but again subscription needed

https://buffalonews.com/entertainment/return-of-sea-lion-makes-a-splash-at-aquarium-of-niagara/article_2fc03b9a-d71a-5671-9bce-17b1cebeb5d2.html

There is a decent amount of credibility here, mixed with the conservation acts of the aquarium she currently resides, and the Zoo in which she participated in the breeding program. Not sure if that’s enough.

I also wrote the page, but had it edited in chatgpt for flow and grammar, and it was flagged as LLM generated. I am more than happy to rewrite it, but felt it flowed nicely and was very accurate on the information out there regarding her journey. Pizzzyy (talk) 06:06, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright! Here is my analysis of those sources:

**Source assessment table: prepared by User:HouseBlaster**
Source	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/local/beloved-sea-lion-returns-to-aquarium-of-niagara/71-43250598-d299-49d9-91e3-372dfe3c165f	Appears to be reliable	Only four sentences which are not quoting the aquarium's Executive Director is not significant coverage	✘ No
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/two-california-sea-lion-pups-make-public-debut-at-brookfield-zoo/	Considered reliable	Only a one-sentence mention.	✘ No
https://news.wttw.com/2017/07/21/2-california-sea-lion-pups-debut-brookfield-zoo		Again a one-sentence mention	✘ No
https://www.niagara-gazette.com/news/local_news/aquarium-of-niagara-celebrates-sea-lion-s-return/article_6987ddf1-91fd-5566-8dda-74e8776b9dce.html		A good two meaty paragraphs	✔ Yes
https://buffalonews.com/entertainment/return-of-sea-lion-makes-a-splash-at-aquarium-of-niagara/article_2fc03b9a-d71a-5671-9bce-17b1cebeb5d2.html		Not the most significant coverage I have seen, but I would consider this significant	✔ Yes
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

I can see the conversation you are having at User talk:Pizzzyy#November 2024 – I see the draft was declined. I would put the two sources which have all three tickboxes front and center, and I would revert back to your own writing (rather than ChatGPT). AI can be helpful if you need to rephrase a sentence or two, but otherwise its tone is not appropriate for Wikipedia. It likes to use a flowery, embellished tone, which can compromise our policy on maintaining a neutral point of view. I think this topic is notable, though it is borderline. Please note that there is a real chance this gets deleted for lack of notability. If you are ready to continue working with that possibility in mind, we can do that. But writing an article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, and I would personally advise you to practice improving articles through the task center to gain a deeper understanding of how Wikipedia works beforehand. I realize that this can be disappointing, but I would do you a disservice if I did not mention this up front. Best, House Blaster (he/they) 15:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I literally just spent an hour writing and adding citations, tried to save and publish, and it just reverted back to original copy. Not sure what happened, but do I now have to start all over again? Pizzzyy (talk) 18:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pizzzyy: I see you made some changes to the page; sometimes it takes a minute for them to appear. They look like great edits to me! Did you do anything else? House Blaster (he/they) 23:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added more credible citations, reverted to earlier copy, without 4o fluffing, but now would like to add photos and that like wireframe intro box. I’m sure others would then want to contribute and add more color to the page. Being one of the more viral videos on tiktok this month, I’m sure there will be a lot more organic news coverage and articles written as well that can be mentioned. Pizzzyy (talk) 01:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Still flagged for not having credible sources. I guess we will still need to wait. Pretty sure cbs, and local new stations are reliable, but maybe they don’t really mention her full back story. Or I am formatting and adding the citations incorrectly. Also adding citations by Facebook, tiktok, and YouTube might be incorrect? Should I just be providing links or posting the videos instead of referencing them as citations? Pizzzyy (talk) 01:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Pizzzyy! The tag for not having credible sources is now out of date – it is left there so the next reviewer can see what the problem was and therefore know what to check when they do the review. Don't worry: It will be removed once the draft is published live! You are formatting the citations correctly, but Facebook, TikTok, and YouTube are not considered reliable sources. Some more substantive advice:

I have renamed the draft to Draft:Arie (sea lion), which follows the standard title policy convention to use (parenthesis) to "disambiguate" between other uses of the word Arie.
Draft:Arie the Sealion § Species Overview: California Sea Lion is not really something we include in most Wikipedia articles; this article is about the specific sea lion. We include background all the time, but generally only background essential for understanding the article, and most readers are familiar with sea lions. We rely on the link to sea lion (and California sea lion) to do the rest of the job for us.
Unlike many publications, Wikipedia uses sentence case for section titles. So, for instance, Social media presence instead of Social Media Presence.
Using images is quite complicated on Wikipedia. I've been meaning to write a beginner's guide to them, but in a nutshell: We require that images either be licensed under a free content license, in the public domain, or else satisfy all the non-free content criteria. Of the non-free content criteria, the first is that the content be irreplaceable with free content, which does not apply here (anyone can go to the zoo, take a picture, and release it under a free license). And to fall into the public domain, the photographer needs to have died 70 years ago, which is impossible if they took a photograph of Arie. That leaves a photo released free content license. Have you personally taken any photos of Arie? If so, that would make this much easier.
As for the introduction wireframe, that is called an "infobox". You want to add Template:Infobox animal (click "Insert", then click "Template", and then type Infobox animal).

Sorry this is a lot of information... I told you writing an article is difficult :) Still here to answer questions! Best, House Blaster (he/they) 01:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

YouTube Videos y ha abbrechen

Sugar av. unhappy 47.185.108.229 (talk) 07:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you mean. House Blaster (he/they) 15:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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CFD closure query

Hello, HouseBlaster,

I'm back! I have a question about Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 7#Category:Buildings and structures by decade of destruction. Yesterday, User:JJMC89 bot III deleted all of the categories they were supposed to delete but didn't create categories that should have been created or move all of the articles and categories back into the newly created categories. For example, if you look at Category:Buildings and structures by decade of destruction and Category:Buildings and structures destroyed in the 18th century you can see categories that are still present in these deleted categories and that are empty because the bot didn't transfer the associated articles.

Can you look into this? I know it's a massive CFD but I'm not sure how to nudge the bot to finish up its work. Many thanks! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:02, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Liz! You are always welcome on my talk page :)

I forgot to update the templates again... apologies for the confusion. It seems to be all sorted now; there might be a couple stragglers but the jobqueue has been moving fast as of late. Thank you so much for bringing this oversight to my attention! Best, House Blaster (he/they) 02:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Purging of categories

Hi, I unfortunately have another clarifying question regarding the purging of categories, specifically the level of effort (or due diligence) a purging editor is expected to make to ensure that a page does not belong in the category that is to be purged. Generally, the characteristic that a category is about must be mentioned explicitly in the article, and it's not enough if it's maybe mentioned in some cited source but not stated in the article (random example: let's say, a person's article is in Category:People from Johannesburg, the person is indeed from Johannesburg, and this origin is stated somewhere in one of the cited sources, but the article doesn't mention the location at all), right? If I'm correct in assuming that, I see three possible options/levels of effort:

One acts solely based on what's already in the article (without checking the cited sources; so in my previous random example, one would simply remove the article from Category:People from Johannesburg).
One acts based on what's already in the article as well as anything in the already cited sources (so in my previous random example, I imagine, it would be considered good practice to not remove the article from Category:People from Johannesburg but to add the information to the article, citing the already cited source).
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Which one of these is correct or standard practice (or the approach you usually take)?

I'm asking because I recently took on Category:Body horror video games (deletion discussion) and quickly looked at every page in that category (and its subcats), and not a single one mentions the term "body horror" (NB: one says ... the choices made by the player affect the narrative and visual design..., generally along the lines of eldritch or body horror, but the term is not used in the cited sources). This, paired with the fact that afaics, every page in this cat was added to it by the same user (Latiromazzaire, who also created the cat) on the same day (1 June 2024), made me think that the deletion rationale (entirely original research) was accurate, and of course, choosing option 1 above would be equivalent to emptying this category (I have not looked at every cited source in every article but the refs' titles were obv included when searching for the term).
Note: In the deletion discussion, Zxcvbnm gave two examples of sources where games are described using the term. The games covered in those sources are a) Winnie's Hole (article is currently only the parent cat Category:Body horror but does use the term "body horror" supported by other sources [note: this is also the only video game article I found when searching for the term in Wikipedia articles in general]), and b) Zoochosis (video game) (article is currently in the cat but doesn't cite this specific source or use the term). So, the cat could potentially have at least two entries.

I'm usually inclined to choose option 3, but given the history of the user who added the categories, I'm not sure how fruitful this option would be in this case (I'm also not at all familiar with horror-ish video games, so I'm not great at judging for which of the games in the cat a search could be worth it if there are any for which this is the case). Sorry for the long message. Felida⁹⁷ (talk) 14:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Felida97! Again, thank you for helping at CFDWM – it is truly appreciated :) I normally find it best to do a mixture of options 1 and 3. My logic is well-developed articles (roughly B/GA/FA) will not neglect to mention WP:DEFINING characteristics. If the article is less well developed, I generally find it easier to jump straight to google rather than examining each source individually. Again, if it is not showing up consistently, it does not meet WP:DEFINING and should be removed. Best, House Blaster (he/they) 16:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MediaWiki message delivery 22:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What I did on my draft

Warning:My draft of Pelles C (go click it here) is a translation of the Italian article of Pelles C. Gnu779 (talk) 13:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gnu779: Alright. We need to make sure that we have attributed the Italian Wikipedia article. See WP:HOWTRANS for information on that. Thanks, House Blaster (he/they) 14:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:List of video games with AI-versus-AI modes

Hello, HouseBlaster. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, "List of video games with AI-versus-AI modes".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:22, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Picaro31 (06:19, 28 November 2024)

Hello, Is there any way to save an edit as a draft? There has been far too many times where I'll spend loads of time on an edit at home and finish it in class and am unable to publish as I'm on the schools IP address- which, of course, is blocked by Wikipedia due to vandalism by others. Thanks! --Picaro31 (talk) 06:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Picaro31! There is no built in way to do that, unfortunately. You can save something on your talk page – just make sure you add an edit summary saying something like "this edit copies content from <link to page>, see that page for attribution" to ensure you satisfy your copying within Wikipedia obligations. You should still have access to your talk page even while blocked. Let me know if you need any additional help, and I would be more than happy to assist. Best, House Blaster (he/they) 16:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from InfoNerds (07:38, 30 November 2024)

How do I put up a Wikipedia article with a photo, dob, and biography? If you look at my recent sandbox “talk” I am trying to get it published. It’s for a very known underground musician “Chance Morris “ from Kansas City Missouri please help --InfoNerds (talk) 07:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello InfoNerds, and welcome to Wikipedia! The first thing I need to ask is if you have a conflict of interest with Morris. Some examples of conflicts of interest include knowing Morris personally or being paid to write this article. The next thing we need to do is ensure Morris qualifies for an article. Do you have two or three reliable sources which are independent of Morris (that means not paid for or solicited by Morris or anyone associated with him) and cover him in detail? Thanks, House Blaster (he/they) 19:46, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Amogelang22 on Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions/Archive 15 (11:49, 30 November 2024)

Hi How do people recognise their talents --Amogelang22 (talk) 11:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What does this have to do with editing Wikipedia? House Blaster (he/they) 19:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 22#Category:LGBTQ by continent and country

Hello, HouseBlaster,

When you close CFDs with category moves, could you make sure that the bot leaves a redirect? Because of this closure, we have dozens of broken category redirects that have to be cleaned up now. An example is Category:LGBT history in Africa by country. This happens all of the time with speedy renames but it's now happening with all of the categories that were LGBT that are now LGBTQ. It's past midnight here now so I'm going to leave this work for another admin or editor to handle. But we get broken category redirects every day because the bot doesn't leave a redirect when it moves a category. It would be nice if this practice changed. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Liz! If we are going to change the general practice, I think a broader discussion at WT:CFD would be better than at one admin's talk page. When the items are removed from WP:CFDW, part of the admin's job is to update links/delete broken redirects. Spitballing: Perhaps an WP:ADMINBOT could also handle the redirects, updating the target (if the category has been renamed) or deleting it (if the category has been deleted)? Best, House Blaster (he/they) 18:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, ideally if the bot fixed all incoming links including for redirects, then I agree there probably shouldn't be a need for an old redirect to stay around and it doesn't need to be manually cleaned up by an admin after. Raladic (talk) 18:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]