Template:Did you know nominations/Forest in Turkey
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 14:31, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
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Forest in Turkey
- ... that leopards live in the forest in Turkey? Source:Karataş, A.; Bulut, Ş. & Akbaba, B. (2021). "Camera trap records confirm the survival of the Leopard (Panthera pardus L., 1758) in eastern Turkey (Mammalia: Felidae)". Zoology in the Middle East. doi:10.1080/09397140.2021.1924419.
- ALT1:... that leopards roam the forest in Turkey? Source:Karataş, A.; Bulut, Ş. & Akbaba, B. (2021). "Camera trap records confirm the survival of the Leopard (Panthera pardus L., 1758) in eastern Turkey (Mammalia: Felidae)". Zoology in the Middle East. doi:10.1080/09397140.2021.1924419.
Created by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:29, 1 June 2021 (UTC).
The article is new enough (created on June 1), long enough (4003 characters). Earwig's Copyvio Detector detects copyright violation "Unlikely". The article cites sources (although there is CS1 error in reference [9]). A QPQ is done. The hook is under 200 characters (43 characters), is cited (1), and meets the formatting guidelines. But I guess the hook isn't interesting to a broad audience. The source shows that "the leopards were extinct or on the verge of extinction in Turkey towards the end of the 20th century, but recent photographic evidence proves their survival.
" The fact that leopards live in the forest in Turkey needs to be rephrased to make the hook interesting. Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 04:41, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for reviewing. Have reworded hook with a better verb. I am not American myself but a lot of readers are and I guess ALT1 would be now be surprising for them as it was for me as a Brit - any USA readers like to comment. If anyone has a better idea for a hook please suggest. Kavyansh.Singh your hook ideas welcome - roaming to and from Iraq is maybe too speculative? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:37, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Chidgk1, thanks for your contribution, but I am still concerned about hook, which is not interesting to a broad audience. Leopards living or roaming in forest of Turkey doesn't grab attention, until they have been recently found, and were previously considered extinct. I suggest the following hook:
"... that recent photographic record confirms existence of leopards in Turkey's forest, which were considered to be extinct in late 20th century?"
If you consider selecting this hook, the same changed need to be made in article too. Thanks! Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 07:06, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Chidgk1, thanks for your contribution, but I am still concerned about hook, which is not interesting to a broad audience. Leopards living or roaming in forest of Turkey doesn't grab attention, until they have been recently found, and were previously considered extinct. I suggest the following hook:
- Thanks for reviewing. Have reworded hook with a better verb. I am not American myself but a lot of readers are and I guess ALT1 would be now be surprising for them as it was for me as a Brit - any USA readers like to comment. If anyone has a better idea for a hook please suggest. Kavyansh.Singh your hook ideas welcome - roaming to and from Iraq is maybe too speculative? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:37, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2:... that many thought leopards had been extirpated from the country, but now they have been snapped roaming the forest in Turkey? Source:Karataş, A.; Bulut, Ş. & Akbaba, B. (2021). "Camera trap records confirm the survival of the Leopard (Panthera pardus L., 1758) in eastern Turkey (Mammalia: Felidae)". Zoology in the Middle East. doi:10.1080/09397140.2021.1924419.
- ALT3:... that camera traps for guerrillas in the forest in Turkey snapped leopards. Different source - will add
if you like the hook.
I guess the issues raised are resolved and new hooks are added by nominator. I leave the review to a different reviewer, who will review the hooks, wording, and everything else. Thanks for your contribution. Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 14:23, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
- Kavyansh.Singh I did not mean to imply that only native speaker English readers are important. I see you have done a lot of articles about India - obviously India is lucky enough to have many more leopards than here so readers there might be hooked by something different. I would be happy if you are able to continue. If not thanks very much for getting most of it done. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:44, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
New enough, long enough, the "Distribution of forests" section has many uncited paragraphs and statements; these need references before a hook can be approved. No plagiarism or paraphrasing concerns. QPQ completed. ALT 2 and 3 are not in the article, so that information needs to be added. I suggest a reworded ALT below:
- ALT4: ... that while many thought leopards were extirpated from the country, researchers spotted the animal in a forest in Turkey? Source:Karataş, A.; Bulut, Ş. & Akbaba, B. (2021). "Camera trap records confirm the survival of the Leopard (Panthera pardus L., 1758) in eastern Turkey (Mammalia: Felidae)". Zoology in the Middle East. doi:10.1080/09397140.2021.1924419.
This alt wikilinks extirpated and says the animal was spotted in a forest in Turkey, which I think is better phrasing as there is more than one forest in the country. Please post your thoughts below. Z1720 (talk) 18:04, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- It is very rare but not just in one forest (just added another cite to show that). If "researchers spotted" also includes camera traps then ALT4 is fine by me. In which case I would not need to add ALT2 and ALT3. Chidgk1 (talk) 18:11, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- On second thought, I think we need more specific language since the researchers, according to the source, did not see the leopards themselves. I have another ALT below.
- ALT5 ... that while many thought leopards were extirpated from the country, researchers documented the animal in the forests in Turkey? Source:Karataş, A.; Bulut, Ş. & Akbaba, B. (2021). "Camera trap records confirm the survival of the Leopard (Panthera pardus L., 1758) in eastern Turkey (Mammalia: Felidae)". Zoology in the Middle East. doi:10.1080/09397140.2021.1924419.
- This alt specifies that the leopard has been seen in more than one forest, and taking a picture with camera traps counts as "documented". Let me know what you think, and if you like this hook I will approve it once the last "citation needed" tag in the article is resolved. Z1720 (talk) 23:46, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- It is very rare but not just in one forest (just added another cite to show that). If "researchers spotted" also includes camera traps then ALT4 is fine by me. In which case I would not need to add ALT2 and ALT3. Chidgk1 (talk) 18:11, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
