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"I use Emacs" quote anyone?

Does anyone have a document to cite to confirm that Gosling is an Emacs user? Thanks. Gronky 01:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you asking about Gosling on the Gilmore article? —mako (talk•contribs) 18:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gosling is an emacs IMPLEMENTOR (he wrote "Gosling Emacs" aka "gosmacs"). So it can be presumed that he actually used the software he wrote. But I'm also curious: why are you asking about Gosling on Gilmore's talk page, and why don't you look it up yourself? It's certainly mentioned in the James Gosling article. Isn't it easier to look something up in wikipedia yourself than ask people to do it for you? Xardox (talk) 17:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RFK Jr?

Is he the same John Gilmore who is managing Robert Kennedy JR's presidential campaign? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.20.157.211 (talk) 13:56, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Advocate/Activist

I renamed the page from John Gilmore (advocate) to John Gilmore (activist) because "advocate" sounded more like a lawyer to me and it seems that almost everyone (including the other JG's) advocates for one cause or another. This JG is interesting because he's a political activist. I've adjusted the links in ever article that was linking to this one. —mako (talk•contribs) 18:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Open Relays

Hserus thinks this article should include a mention of Webmail and SMTP AUTH as alternatives to open relays. I don't understand why an article on John Gilmore would have commentary on the best way to configure an email server. We already have a link to the open relay article, which is the appropriate place to discuss the open relay debate. The only reason to mention it here is to give the impression that Gilmore is unreasonable to want to run an open relay, which wouldn't be consistent with NPOV. Binarybits (talk) 16:34, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No. Merely pointing out that it was suggested to Gilmore, by multiple people, that if he wanted to allow John Perry Barlow to use toad.com email when he was traveling in Africa (to quote one often cited example), smtp auth and webmail had been around for quite a while. In fact, if you read [1] there's such a lot of ranting about completely unrelated (that is, non smtp related) authentication that I have a feeling multiple people HAVE pointed it out to him, and he doesnt want to do it.

Gilmore and the open relay issue is purely a case of his POV versus the POV of quite a lot of other people (various members of the email admin / antispam community, his ISP Verio that terminated his server, etc etc) - and there's a lot on that verio-censorship article which wouldnt be wikipedia NPOV quality (such as saying that Paul Vixie's early antispam block list MAPS used to blackmails ISPs into terminating customers). So I dont see how mentioning both sides of an argument that was based on one man's POV can be classed as violating NPOV. Full disclosure - I have had my share of arguments with him and other EFF members on politech / Farber's IP list / circleid.com etc over the last several years. Almost all of it should be available on a google search "Suresh Ramasubramanian EFF" srs (talk) 00:55, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, how's that? I re-organized it so that Gilmore's arguments and those of his critics are in the same part of the article. I think that makes it more balanced. Binarybits (talk) 15:47, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me. Thanks. srs (talk) 01:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why is there about 8 sentences on open relays, but only a single sentence mentions all of his several lawsuits against the us federal government? Seems more than a little unbalanced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.247.222.41 (talk) 05:59, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why the fuck is he listed as an activist?

Is bill gates listed as a microsoft activist? Is that homo from apple listed as one? No? So why the fuck is Mr Gilmore?

Bullshit article from those who are afraid of freedom, ie the wikicommies.

Well there are other John Gilmore's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gilmore so something was needed to differentiate I'm sure if he found it offensive he would change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.21.94 (talk) 15:50, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I too wonder why he's listed as an activist. I think technologist or computer engineer would probably be better terms. He's not known for his activism as much as he is for his work with tech. The activism IS significant, but in many ways it's a growth from his work with computers. I mean, we don't label Bruce Schneier as an activist, and he speaks out against security theatre quite often.Garglesnargle (talk) 16:45, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Quite the contrary, John is well known for his activism including funding software systems that increase privacy & other goals he has. He also refuses to fly, as he finds the TSA too intrusive. — Lentower (talk) 17:27, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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