Talk:Jagannath

Don't put quotes in authors mouths and write statements they never made.

The Buddhist origin section has been maliciously written and making statements that are not mentioned in the referenced sources, particularly from Starza and Abhinav Patra. I have decided to edit it to so as to remove the biases.

In the tooth relic section -"However, this is a weak justification because some other traditions such as those in Jainism and tribal folk religions too have had instances of preserving and venerating relics of the dead."

Starza only commented on the use of bones, tooth relic, ratha yatra bearing resemblance to a similar pocession mentioned Faxian and Jagannath being identified as the ninth avatar like Buddha. He said these manifestations of the cult are not sufficient to establish a Buddhist origin.

Also, "The same ancient monastic practice of 3-4 months temporary retirement of all monks and nuns, to take shelter at one place during the heavy rainfalls of monsoons, is found in the Hindu and Jain monastic traditions." note is not mentioned in the sources used as reference.

The caste system section is written with a lot of bad intent trying to imply its only supported by "colonial era Indologists and Christian missionaries". Hence I have added a reference to an Indian source by Archana Kanungo published by Govt. of Odisha directly.

The Sarala Das section is the worst. Here the editor is just pushing his own opinion - "However, in some these references Buddha is mentioned as incarnation of Vishnu or Jagannath, not vice versa, therefore Jagannath is considered as the source of all incarnations. Furthermore, the mention of Buddha as part of ten avatara was prevalent across many Hindu sects other than Jagannath cult and was a broader movement in Vaishnavism to incorporate Buddha as one of the ten main avatara of Vishnu between fifth and the sixth century, who was in turn linked with Jagannath as a source of all avataras starting from Jayadeva of 12th century. So, the mention of Buddha as Jagannath does not proof the Buddhist origin of Jagannath, rather assimilation of Buddha in Hinduism." He referenced multiple sources(including some hindu encyclopedias) that just talk about Buddha being the ninth avatar of Vishnu. None of these sources talk about Jagannath. Hence, I have moved them to the relevant paragraph. A lot of these sources actually have nothing to do with the topic of Jagannath originating from Buddha. Witchilich (talk) 10:12, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Stop deleting sourced info

@Dāsānudāsa why are you deleting properly sourced info. the entire buddhist origins section has been mostly written by me in its present from. Witchilich (talk) 16:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

It looked like you were deleting information about the Buddhist Triratna. Perhaps if you used edit summaries it would be clearer what you're doing. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 17:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Jagannath is form of Vishnu, not avatar

Jaganath is form of Vishnu, all link source reference of this page, and Puri, jagannath temple articles pages and also this page intro mentioned same as Form of Hindu deity Vishnu, not avatar. Avatar means taking birth in earth in human form , jagannath can't consider avatar of God Vishnu.

Someone please stop this mentally stick persons from reverted vandalism articles continuous and please take action block him for God sake. Please change correction that Jagannath is Form of Vishnu, not an avatar

@Joshua Jonathan @Rasnaboy @Redtigerxyz @Swirlymarigold @Witchilich Arunntr (talk) 00:41, 10 September 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

It's the same thing in Hinduism. Witchilich (talk) 02:08, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

All references mentioned that he is form of vishnu, How can be vishnu avatar consort is Goddess mahalakshmi.

article info mentioned that jagannath consort is mahalakshmi. Arunntr (talk) 03:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Jagannath is form of vishnu, not avatar, why you cant understand simple concept @Hbanm, please read this wiki full link references and sources. even first line intro mentioned that Form of Hindu Deity Vishnu. Arunntr (talk) 04:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey @Hbanm, Are you Animal or human. Why cant understand simple concept Arunntr (talk) 04:40, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Dear wikipedians please revert vanadlism, Jagannath is form of Vishnu not avatar, Even blind person can says that he is form

@Witchilich Arunntr (talk) 04:53, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Arunntr: could you please stop edit-warring, and explain why Jagannath is a "form" of Vishnu, and not an "abstract representation"? What do Mukerjee (1981) and Hardy (1987) say about this? Hardy says

As a further example of regional forms of Kṛṣṇaism centered around temples, mention may be made of Jagannātha in Puri, Orissa, the building of whose temple was started around 1100 ce. Accompanied by Baladeva and Subhadrā, he is evidently envisaged in a Kṛṣṇaite context. This connection was strengthened in the sixteenth century through the bhakti culture developed in the temple by Rāmānanda Rāya and Caitanya.

Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 06:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Jagganath is another form of lord Krishna and lord Krishna is an incarnation of lord Vishnu. Arunntr (talk) 06:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Even this entire article page and puri jaganath temples link references mention that he is form of Vishnu. Please read it.

If jaganath is avatar of vishnu, then how can be his consort is Mahalakshmi, article info mentioned that Jaganath consort is Mahalakshmi,whose spouse of Lord Vishnu .

Remove that sometimes avatar of vishnu ,what sometimes?

@Joshua Jonathan Arunntr (talk) 06:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Ofcouse Jagannath is abstract representation of krishna, but krishna is avatar of vishnu, please Remove unconstructive sentence formation, Add Jagannath is Form of Hindu Deity Vishnu in his avatar : Krishna

@Joshua Jonathan

@Witchilich Arunntr (talk) 06:59, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Britania encyclopedia mentions that Jagannatha is form of Vishnu in krishna avatar.

@Joshua Jonathan Arunntr (talk) 07:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Stop mentioning me. Go bother someone else. Witchilich (talk) 07:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

• The Wiki-article twice mentioned "form of Vishnu," in the short description, and in "Jagannath is worshipped as the Purushottama form of Vishnu," which was not supported by the source, "History od deities". Jagannath temple, Puri administration. Archived from the original on 2 April 2013. Retrieved 2 December 2012.; I have removed theat statement diff.
• Please note that Vaishnavism is complex, with many regional deities which were incorporated into Vaishnavism; therefor there exist many, sometimes contradictory traditions. If you, or your traditionm thinks that Jagannath is a "form of Vishnu," then we can add taht, if you can provide reliable sources for that.
• Regarding Britania encyclopedia mentions that Jagannatha is form of Vishnu in krishna avatar, can you give the link?
• Mukhrjee: " Jagannath is regarded as Krishna"

Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 07:10, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Enough, you hot-head; I've requested a temporary block for you for edit-warring. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 07:19, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

<s.what is sometimes of avatar of Vishnu mentioned in article,

whats meaning this sometimes of avatar, Arunntr (talk) 07:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

please change and correction the sentence formations

Thanks

@Joshua Jonathan Arunntr (talk) 07:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Please provide sources. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 07:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Blocking the sock

@Vinayvinyill is back with various sock accounts @Arunntr, @Unnikrishnanan and is going rogue with his sectarian vandalism and disruptive editing, particularly targeting this article this time, I think SPI is already filed by @Dāsānudāsa, can you look into it and block these socks @Doug Weller Hbanm (talk) 05:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

I think your food cant digest in stomach when edit vandalism.

Why accept truth, even this page link source mentioned that Jagannath is form of vishnu. Arunntr (talk) 05:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

what is the proof iam sock, please show investigation, I just revert vandalism content Arunntr (talk) 05:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Dear @Hbanm, please understant, Wikipedia is good encyclopedia, please dont vandalism, its not your private or your father property.

Are you really human, you act like animal because you vandalism content of jaganath.

@Hbanm Arunntr (talk) 05:12, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

And i used the same edit summary because i am new to wikipedia and did'nt known what to write there, I just revert vandalism and info based on link source and references . So edited, Cannot understand the reason of investigation. Please help. @Dougweller Arunntr (talk) 05:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Frustrating, but I'm not using CU during my chemotherapy. I'm sure it will be dealt with. Doug Weller talk 07:39, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

@Hbanm On the other hand, I don't need cu to block if it's a WP:DUCK. Arunntr blocked. Doug Weller talk 09:40, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Use of word idol

We corrected the word 'idol' in the picture of Lord Jagganath murti. Idol is a Western world term. This is fact: The Jagannath Temple at Puri is one of the most revered Vaishnava sites of worship in India. One of the oldest Hindu temples to still be in use, its main shrine was built by Anantavarman of the Chodaganga dynasty in the tenth century.Quick reference

Above "Quick reference" is to establish that the temple and murti shown is a very famous Vaishnava temple. And Vaishnavas consider a murti as "non-different" from the Lord. Once a murti is commissioned, it is treated with utmost reverence. The deity is offered food every day, starting with a breakfast and ceremony in the early morning hours, and gets clothing changes and cleaning every day of the year, no matter what.

So probably most uses of the word "idol" in this article are incorrect. Also, Hinduism is a culture, not a religion. Especially in the case of temples or murti which are Vaishnava places, you can not generalize what is presented as "Hinduism." There are certain common themes, you will always be 'asked' to remove your shoes before entering the sacred areas of any Hindu temple. The majority of Hindu worshippers are now Vaishnava, and as the article on 'murti' somewhat correctly states, these murti are not idols. Even that article does not assert, as I will try to prove with references, that a murti is actually considered the same as God (at least in Vaishnava tradition). It represents God's mercy, to be present in our physical reality, although of course God is completely unaffected by the material world. The age of fable (talk) 18:44, 12 December 2024 (UTC)