Talk:Atlanta Motor Speedway

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So, question... What about INEX? According to their webpage, www.600racing.com, "INEX is the International Sanctioning body of the Legends, Bandolero and Thunder Roadster Cars. It's is the 3rd largest sanctioning body behind NASCAR and I.M.C.A. INEX annually sanctions over 1,700 races at over 200 different tracks."

Now, obviously INEX is a major organization, but should we list INEX races (of which there are many, so the listing would be merely generic) on every single track they race on? Or ignore that and let the speedway's homepage deal with that? --Golbez 03:27, 25 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Cindy

Tropical Storm Cindy has been upgraded to Hurricane Cindy. Corrected the mistake. juan andrés 04:47, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Track surface

There's no mention in this article of the track's famously bumpy surface. Can anybody think of a good way to work that into the article? TonartStewy (talk) 16:36, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fictitious original fast lap speed?

Hi, not really sure what to do with this information or how to properly pass this along, but there's zero corroborating evidence for the claim that Breton Roussel was the first driver to hit the 193-mph lap mark at AMS. There's no record of an individual named Breton Roussel that ever ran in NASCAR, or, from what I can find, in any form of motorsports at all. Googling Roussel's name alongside any NASCAR-related keywords only brings up this Wikipedia page and a slew of other websites that are just copy-paste jobs of this very article. The accurately-listed fastest lap speed of 197+ mph by Geoff Bodine was particularly notable at the time he set it because it completely shattered the old track record of 186.507 mph (by 11 mph!), a number that would have been well below Roussel's purported 193-mph mark.

This info seems to originate from this edit to the page from all the way back on 5/27/2008 which gave conflicting information even then by listing the date of his supposed accomplishment as "June 22nd March 1990." Further working against it is the fact that neither potential date fell during one of the two Atlanta race weeks on the 1990 schedule and that this is the only edit that user has ever made on Wikipedia.

More than anything, I just want to know how this piece of misinformation managed to last over 13 years without coming into serious question before. This has to be one of the longest-running bogus claims on this site, no?

Road course layout

Both diagrams on here show a grayed out road course layout. Does this still exist? I assume it's just for clubs, but should there be some info on this? YellowAries2010 (talk) 05:49, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 June 2025

It has been proposed in this section that Atlanta Motor Speedway be renamed and moved to EchoPark Speedway.

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Atlanta Motor Speedway → EchoPark Speedway – The track was renamed to this today. I'm guessing it probably makes sense to move it there as that is its name, but wanted to open an RM to see if there were dissenting opinions as it's been called Atlanta Motor Speedway for a bit. Casablanca 🪨^(T) 15:43, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – due to the fact that it could violate WP:PROMO and WP:COMMONNAME. The Atlanta Motor Speedway name is more commonly used for the track, and the EchoPark sponsorship deal is currently only for seven years. Kinda the opposite of Auto Club Speedway, in a way. MysticCipher87(alt-account) (talk) 16:22, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure how it could run afoul of PROMO at all, nothing in there prohibits changing to entitlement names, but agreed on COMMONNAME, it's too soon. glman (talk) 16:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – Not the WP:COMMONNAME yet. No need to rush, let's wait and see if it gets used enough to be the common name before moving. glman (talk) 16:30, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is no need to wait and confuse people; there is a history of NASCAR and its industry quickly promoting and adopting names like World Wide Technology Raceway, Infineon Raceway, Lowe's Motor Speedway, Auto Club Speedway, etc. 146.115.179.230 (talk) 02:27, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, EchoPark is part of Sonic Automotive which is a Smith family company, as is SMI, the owner of the track...this name will stay as long as EchoPark exists. 146.115.179.230 (talk) 02:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

NASCAR clearly has not promptly adopted the names you mentioned, considering WWT Raceway is still commonly referred to as Gateway and the Wiki article is names as such. Sonic Auto is a publicly traded company, and the deal is specifically for 7 years at the moment. As mentioned elsewhere, NASCAR sources are still referring to the track as AMS at the moment. This will not cause confusion. EchoPark Speedway redirects to this page, and we mention the sponsored name in the lead. glman (talk) 14:22, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – not WP:COMMONNAME yet and as HumanBodyPiloter said on Gateway, "Ephemeral sponsored names lead to unstable page titles and threaten the neutrality of the encyclopaedia". There's a reason Gateway Motorsports Park isn't World Wide Technology Raceway (see talk page listed in World Wide Technology Raceway). Cheers! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 17:22, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Wikipedia guides us to make the change via Wikipedia:Article titles and with past practice with stadium sponsor naming conventions. Once the stadium ownership (or league/team) officially announces the name change, and it's widely reported by reliable sources, Wikipedia article titles are updated. Examples: Crypto.com Arena (formerly Staples Center), State Farm Stadium (formerly University of Phoenix Stadium), EverBank Stadium (formerly TIAA Bank Field), Rate Field (US Cellular Field, Comiskey Park, etc.) KD0710 (talk) 17:25, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a section of WP:TITLE that says "once the stadium ownership (or league/team) officially announces the name change, Wikipedia titles are updated" - could you link to that specific guideline? WP:OFFICIAL and WP:COMMONNAME seem to contradict what you're saying. glman (talk) 17:43, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You missed the second half of this - and it's widely reported by reliable sources. It's all wrapped into one thing. We need both confirmation (not just rumors) and reporting. As mentioned, it's how ALL other major sports handle stadium rights. This should be no different.

"Sometimes the subject of an article will undergo a change of name. When this occurs, we give extra weight to independent, reliable, English-language sources ("reliable sources" for short) written after the name change. If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match."

The argument of WP:COMMONNAME isn't fitting here. Sources have acknowledged the change and refer to it as such [1] [2] [3]. What's being argued is the colloquial name, which shouldn't matter. KD0710 (talk) 19:14, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is a clear difference between this and other sport stadium name changes. Those are often from an entitlement name to another, while in this case, the track has been referred to as AMS for decades. WP:COMMONNAME absolutely applies here, current sources are just press releases, not usage in context. The sources you cite literally refer to the track as "Atlanta Motor Speedway". It's just WP:Recentism right now. No need to rush. We have not had time to see "if the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name". glman (talk) 19:23, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – After yesterday's announcement, reliable sources are still referring to it as AMS/Atlanta in other announcements. [4]