#indiewebcamp 2014-07-15
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KartikPrabhu1 kylewm: that is a good idea re: tags list
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# gRegor` Messing around with regex for URLs . . . if I'm not back in a day, send help.
# snarfed gRegor`: just fyi, here are a couple: https://github.com/snarfed/webutil/blob/master/util.py#L162
# gRegor` Merci
# gRegor` Yeah, I was poking around indiecode first.
# gRegor` TODO: drop it
# gRegor` Haha
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# gRegor` Looking for links in plaintext, though, not necessarily in <a>
# gRegor` Use case: extracting the links from note text to send webmentions to
# gRegor` Haha https://www.flickr.com/photos/kaeru/875369568/
# gRegor` Via CASSIS, which has a killer regex. https://github.com/tantek/cassis/blob/master/cassis.js#L1118
# gRegor` gruber's is also intense: https://gist.github.com/gruber/8891611
# gRegor` Thanks, emma! I'll try it. That looks much more like what I wanted. :)
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KevinMarks see, I just spent time styling webmentions instead of writing a template munger: http://www.kevinmarks.com
# KevinMarks re url regexes, twitter have theirs open sourced and they just added all the bonkers new tlds
# gRegor` Might be a mix of html and plaintext. I can move to plaintext, though I can imagine some scenarios where I'd rather use a title as the link text, not just the URL.
# gRegor` But I think I can relatively easily (hah) look for URLs surrounded in quotation marks, too
# gRegor` The one snarfed linked to?
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kylewm https://github.com/snarfed/webutil/blob/master/util.py#L177 is from redwind
# KevinMarks you decide to use an open source regex
# KevinMarks now you have an unknown number of problems?
# gRegor` what is regex?
# gRegor` Think we need a page?
# gRegor`
{{stub}} <dfn>Regex</dfn> is a dark art.# gRegor` "like Visual Basic only worse"
# gRegor` That was awesome, KevinMarks
# KevinMarks that is a canon-worthy piece of writing
# gRegor` Is "the center cannot hold" a reference to something else?
# KevinMarks it's from The Wasteland
# KevinMarks things fall apart/the center cannot hold
# KevinMarks wait, isn't it?
# KevinMarks oh no, it's The Second Coming
# KevinMarks fails at poetry recollection
# KevinMarks I quoted it before too: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2005/05/googles-singularity-machine.html
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@OnTheWebz RT @t: shocked & numb from losing @chloeweil. saw her 11 days ago @IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/2014#East_Photos http://indiewebcamp.com/images/9/90/indiewebcamp_nyc2014.JPG (ttk.me t4X12) (twitter.com/_/status/488857201763569664)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/487370638374363136/488857201763569664 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014#East_Photos (webmention)
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bret just found: http://transmat.io/index.htm
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KartikPrabhu bret: do you know of a working example of transmat?
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@lucas_gonze I would rather publish on an independent server than Medium. But I will get more readers on Medium. Ideas on resolving that? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/488883252178866176)
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@kyle_wm @lucas_gonze some folks (namely @kevinmarks) have had good luck posting on their own site and “syndicating” to Medium. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/488885470579814400)
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# gRegor` woot. http://gregorlove.com/notes/2014/07/14/4/
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# gRegor` Though emmak doesn't accept wm for just http://notenoughneon.com/, so I got an http 400
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# gRegor` Makes sense. I'm not doing anything with wm sent to / yet either.
# gRegor` My wm support was set up based on the CMS, so initially i only accepted them to valid post IDs. When I added the notes as a plugin, though, I realized i needed to open it up to more paths.
# kylewm I suggested syndication to medium... does this reply make any sense? https://twitter.com/lucas_gonze/status/488890316808654848
# @lucas_gonze @kyle_wm I can do multiple pushes once in a while, but I can hardly find the time to do one push, much less more than one. (twitter.com/_/status/488890316808654848)
# gRegor` Hmm, like pushing multiple articles?
# KartikPrabhu i think push means to post copies elsewhere
# KartikPrabhu no i think he likes the article
# KartikPrabhu copy pasting might not always be easy
# KartikPrabhu also why copy + paste to Medium when you can just write on Medium
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@kevinmarks @lucas_gonze @kyle_wm or, if you like their editor, write on medium, export, post the html on your site and add the link (twitter.com/_/status/488895635391664128)
# KartikPrabhu kylewm: oh ok I couldn't find the colophone I suppose... good
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@dch__ @janl the hoodie indieweb clip is simply beautiful! (twitter.com/_/status/488967163248926721)
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petermolnar 'monring
# petermolnar s/monring/morning
# petermolnar still waking up
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glennjones jeffporter: welcome
# glennjones jeffporter: I have a couple of tools to help test your webmentions setup there at http://tools.transmat.io
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# glennjones jeffporter: I also fired a mention from my blog to one of your notes - http://glennjones.net/notes/2014-07-14-3 so we test thing
# jeffporter Used the webmention/endpoint test: returned a 400 with "Error: Invalid URI \"wordius.com\" - wordius.com"
# jeffporter But I do have your test note in my WP comments
# jeffporter glennjones But I do have your test note in my WP comments
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# glennjones jeffporter: if you try your full address http://wordius.com/ you will find it comes back OK
# jeffporter glennjones: Okay, I get a 200 code on http://wordius.com
# glennjones jeffporter: if you then try GET /webmention/mention/validate/ with source: http://glennjones.net/notes/2014-07-14-3 and target: http://wordius.com/uk-space-port/ you will see the web pages are coded correctly
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cweiske glennjones, I found it https://helloreverb.com/developers/swagger
# glennjones jeffporter: then use /webmention/mention/forward/ with same URLs source: http://glennjones.net/notes/2014-07-14-3 and target: http://wordius.com/uk-space-port/ - this sends the webmention and tests your site
# glennjones jeffporter: /webmention/mention/forward/ return 200 from your wordpress plugin to say the request was a success, so the mention should now be in your comments list for that post ?
# glennjones cweiske: I built a node.js plugin https://github.com/glennjones/hapi-swagger use it for most of my APIs now.
# glennjones jeffporter: are the tests working?
# jeffporter glennjones: Yep, the tests are working and appearing in comments. So I guess WebMentions are fine
# glennjones jeffporter: Is that the WP templates don’t show comments?
# glennjones jeffporter: Sorry got to go now have visiters
# jeffporter glennjones: No, have removed comments from WP templates. Will add back for these WP Status post format updates
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# jeffporter glennjones: Yes. Going to work on adding them back for Status posts, maybe others. Integrating Web Intents on Status posts is my biggest stumbling block at the moment.
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kylewm.com uploaded /File:kylewm-tag-speedbar-2014-07-15.gif "Clickable list of recent tags on kylewm.com"
# kylewm.com edited /Red_Wind (+114) "/* Screenshots */ added screencast of tags speedbar" (view diff)
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JonathanNeal Sorry for being so absent the last week. I am so eager to get my site back up.
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# gRegor` kylewm: What's your algorithm for frequency / recency?
# kylewm gRegor`: based loosely on something I found online https://github.com/kylewm/redwind/blob/master/redwind/controllers.py#L684
# kylewm i.e. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Tech/Places/Frecency_algorithm without the % bonus by type
# gRegor` frecency, hah
# gRegor` 'How' lists "note with a primary image...
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# gRegor` But then there's a 'Notes with photos examples' section "Not quite photo posts, but similar, notes with embedded photos are another approach to photo-like posts."
# gRegor` If there's an mf2 difference, could someone add it to that page?
# gRegor` aaronpk's example link on there also seems to fall under 'note with photo'
# gRegor` gives GWG some clarity
# gRegor` Probably nuts. :)
# gRegor` Loqi's been slacking
# gRegor` Don't you "dude" me
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mko The way I understand them, "Photo" vs "Note with Photo" are pretty distinctly different. A "Photo" post is basically a photo without any other content (i.e. photo filename = e-content, p-summary, p-name, u-photo) or where the photo is the entire e-content (and u-photo) accompanied by a p-summary / p-name. A "Note with Photo" is a note post that includes a photo referenced in the e-content that is attached and marked up as u-photo.
# gRegor` mko, that makes sense, but what about "with text (caption) only following"?
# kylewm also eventually I plan to have photo posts include multiple posts in a nicer way than https://kylewm.com/photo/2014/06/29/1
# gRegor` mko: that also seems to imply multiple photo posts aren't allowed, or would be 'notes with photo'?
# gRegor` Then I think this is a photo post, though the text isn't explicitly intended as a caption, but rather my commentary on the photo: http://gregorlove.com/notes/2014/07/15/2/
# gRegor` And, importantly, the mf2 markup on that is no different than a note. Thus my confusion. :)
# snarfed we (read: emmak) will eagerly implement them in bridgy publish (https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/85)
# gRegor` Since my notes always have the text content as the p-name, all I have to do is add a u-photo and it's a "photo" post. But it's also a "note with photo" :)
# mko I'm using the raw h-entry JSON format as my base class for all posts right now, and I've not had to add anything extra except for a few metadata fields that I'm using that aren't actually needed but power some minor enhancements on my site (i.e. reading time, word count, character limits, etc)
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# KartikPrabhu sometimes feels we are trying to fit square pegs in round holes... with strictly classifying content types in this way
# mko KartikPrabhu: I don't think we're "strictly classifying" -- I think that's why this discussion is even happening. The nice thing is that if you want to not extend the base class of "entry" (or "post") you never have to. If you want to, you can do so for whatever purposes you want, though you should realize that not everyone will necessarily do the same.
# KartikPrabhu is this a "photo post" or "note with photos" or "article with photos" or "photo gallery" https://kartikprabhu.com/article/colour-form ?
# KartikPrabhu yeah that is what I am saying
# KartikPrabhu why come up with some arbitrary criteria for a consensus definition of a post type?
# gRegor` I agree on the strictly classifying. I'm more interested in whether there's supposed to be a different mf2 markup than whether my interface is strictly "post an article/note/photo/whatever"
# KartikPrabhu Article vs Notes I get... but beyond that most of them are/seem fuzzy
# KartikPrabhu gregor`: there isn't a diff mf2 markup for article vs notes even
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# KartikPrabhu but u-photo can also denote a representative image for an article
# KartikPrabhu gregor`: note has a title... it is just the content
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# KartikPrabhu yeah I have seen that. again Article vs Note I have no problem with (though they have the same mf2 except some properties are defaulted)
# mko Think of it this way: on Instagram, you can post text content with your photo, but the primary content is the photo. On Twitter, you can post text content with your photo, and the primary content is the combination of the two. I would consider the post on Instagram a /photo post while the post on Twitter would be a /note post in my mind.
# KartikPrabhu sound the same to me
# KartikPrabhu there is a post with text and photo
# gRegor` Yeah... so what's the use case here for separating photo / note / note with photo?
# KartikPrabhu what is the UX diff for the reader?
# gRegor` KartikPrabhu: You're right. I was mixing up presentation with markup. I haven't done so yet, but I've set up my notes so they can have a (displayed) title, not just the text as the default p-name.
# kylewm here's what happened when I tried to post a photo the as a preview image http://indiewebcamp.com/File:facebook-post-with-preview-image.png
# gRegor` I also put HTML in my notes, so I blur the lines a lot I guess :)
# KartikPrabhu gregor`: yeah. I have posted a "Repost" with added commentary... but it is a repost damnit
# gRegor` :)
# gRegor` So is the reason for these distinctions mostly in how our content interacts with the silos?
# mko Another example, from my own experience. I was the design lead at hi5. We did research into how users were using the Photos feature versus the Status Update feature (which had the ability to post a photo). Users posted photos without any text the vast majority of the time. When users posted status updates with photos, on the other hand, they almost never did so without accompanying text. On top of that, we found that when there was text
# KartikPrabhu kylewm: yeah have seen that before. but would you would take both photos as u-photo
# KartikPrabhu what is "directly related to photo" in this context?
# KartikPrabhu do you mean people posted a status "hanging on the beach" but posted a photo of a banana?
# KartikPrabhu but they are related
# KartikPrabhu so the rule is "captions are always descriptive"?
# KartikPrabhu <shrugs> seems like i don't get it
# gRegor` is confused, too
# KartikPrabhu gregor`: yes! if a reader wants to see all the photos you have posted
# KartikPrabhu but then it seems like a "Tag" or "category" not post-type
# gRegor` Exactly
# KartikPrabhu why not?
# KartikPrabhu so what is the intent diff. in "photo post" vs "note with a photo" vs "photo with a caption" ?
# KartikPrabhu mko: I am not disputing that there are lot of posts that fall into one criteria or the other. But there are also many that fall into none or all
# KartikPrabhu are we to reject the ones that don't fit into our (future) definition ?
# mko And I'm not disputing that. What I'm specifically saying is that if they don't fit into any of them, don't put them in there. If you want to classify something across all the different post types, do it. Ontologies are meant to be self-effacing. You make use of the classification system how you want to, and as the community evolves, so does the usage of that classification system.
# KartikPrabhu In any case mko, gregor` and kylewm: you should capture this on the wiki where my confusion will not be intermixed for now.
# gRegor` It's here: please expand: http://indiewebcamp.com/photo#Discussion
# KartikPrabhu mko: yes. but then what is the use of having some way of classifying on the wiki ?
# KartikPrabhu ahh then we agree more than we disagree mko :)
# gRegor` That's how I generally approach the wiki as a whole.
# KartikPrabhu gregor`: that is not how it mostly comes across to people who are new I feel
# gRegor` But somebody at some point felt a reason to diffentiate "photo" and "note with photo" and I don't get it. :)
# gRegor` Agreed
# gRegor` Even if we don't have a conclusion, please add to that discussion section I started. I summarized my perspective/confusion
# KartikPrabhu at least on some pages which don't have clear-cut agreement there should be some clause saying "the current idea" or "current consensus" or soemthgin
# kylewm yeah it should almost be /photo-brainstorming
# gRegor` That does help. So is bridgy looking for a u-photo?
# snarfed gRegor`: it doesn't do photos at all yet. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/85 tracks adding that
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# gRegor` I think a top-level u-photo is a good start.
# KartikPrabhu kylewm: if 'photo' can have a caption how does an algorithm decide whether the text is note content or caption?
# gRegor` Magic, KartikPrabhu.
# gRegor` that's what bridgy runs on, obviously.
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# KartikPrabhu kylewm: exactly!
# gRegor` ding ding.
# gRegor` h-as-photo could be another indicator
# KartikPrabhu I as a human am confused as to how to decide...
# KartikPrabhu so again, is there some UX reason to have photo and note with photo and photo with caption different? Also author-UX and reader-UX both...?
# KartikPrabhu reader = human reader not /reader
# KartikPrabhu why not?
# KartikPrabhu I click on the photo in a note or article it shows a bigger size in a lightbox or whatever
# kylewm like, what about https://kartikprabhu.com/article/indieweb-love-blog ... I would not want to click on one of the images and get a lightbox gallery of all of them
# KartikPrabhu mko: tantek voice "plumbing"
# KartikPrabhu kylewm: why not? maybe someone wants to see all the pictures
# gRegor` mko: you've just described a not.
# gRegor` s/not/note/
# KartikPrabhu I have a little version of everyone I know
# KartikPrabhu voxpelli: I use those. but again plumbing
# gRegor` Is it a note or a photo?
# gRegor` or a "note with photo"?
# KartikPrabhu skip all the HTML+mf2 talk... we need a definition similar to "A note is a post that is typically short unstructured* plain text, written & posted quickly, that has its own permalink page."
# KartikPrabhu from /notes
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# KartikPrabhu switches spots and goes to get lunch bbiab
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: Perhaps take inspiration from http://activitystrea.ms/registry/object_types/ then? :)
# gRegor` Attempt: "A photo is a type of note whose content is only a photo and, optionally, a caption for the photo."
# KartikPrabhu snarfed: I am sure, once we get a human definition we can figure out the mf2 and bridgy algorithms
# gRegor` mko: it matches your description though: Photo, and the caption is the p-name.
# gRegor` I didn't *intend* it as a caption, but mf2 doesn't care about that really.
# gRegor` And imagine it was hosted on my own site, not on my flickr. :)
# gRegor` Huh?
# gRegor` There's an explicit p-name
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# gRegor` Yes, in the HTML that's published. <div class="p-name e-content">
# gRegor` Yeah it is. The "name" :)
# gRegor` "name": [". . . ladies.\r\nvia @sarah5" ]
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# gRegor` Matches the e-content.value.
# gRegor` If someone chooses to parse content.html for some reason instead of just using the h-entry name value...
# gRegor` That's pretty weird.
# gRegor` Launch break
# gRegor` Whoa. Welcome, cuibonobo! Um, love Archer.
# gRegor` Rightfully so!
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# gRegor` mko: I did just fix a missing quotation mark in my post, so if you refresh the content.html will look more correct.
# gRegor` e-content is the raw HTML inside the specified element, afaik
# gRegor` and the caption
# gRegor` Maybe a pastebin of the markup you're describing will help me more.
# gRegor` My usage of p-summary has been very limited (once, actually), and it was inside the e-content of an article.
# gRegor` And on my notes, the p-name and e-content are on the same element, wrapping the whole content of the note.
# gRegor` Hm
# gRegor` Because you'd compare the parsed name to the content.value and see they're the same, thus=note?
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# mko gRegor`: Compare these two markups: https://gist.github.com/mko/f05e8cb0d2423f6deaa7
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# gRegor` The latter gives me an empty content.html and content.value. Is that correct?
# gRegor` Using KartikPrabhu's mf2py at least
# KartikPrabhu mko: h-as-* is not microformats
# KartikPrabhu also the img alt should be in the content-value but I don't think mf2py does that yet
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# gRegor` confirmed on php-mf2 as well
# KartikPrabhu cuibonobo: welcome!
# gRegor` u-content will put the path in the content.value though
# KartikPrabhu u-content will not give an HTML property
# gRegor` Correct.
# gRegor` You wanted content to have /path/to/image
# gRegor` It's blank in your second example, by mf2py and php-mf2 currently.
# KartikPrabhu cuibonobo: note that we are not always this tech-pedantic :P you just caught us in a whirpool of darkness
# gRegor` Sometimes we start out confused and get more confused! (that's me)
# gRegor` It's a general URL property.
# gRegor` Good to know about <img> alt. I'll add an issue to php-mf2 if it isn't there yet.
# KartikPrabhu looks for prposed definitions
# gRegor` Although if you use u-content, you don't get content.html and content.value.
# gRegor` It sounds like that's what you're expecting, though. Just the image URL as the value of content.
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# mko Based on http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-end.html#serializing-html-fragments e-content should result in exactly what I just said. The qualified name of an img is itself (the full img element).
# KartikPrabhu cuibonobo: yes! we want to make something and then argue about how to best make it :P
# KartikPrabhu thought right now it is the "inmates runnign the asylum" since people who usually keep some sanity are away ;)
# KartikPrabhu is also an inmate btws
# gRegor` resembles that remark
# gRegor` 's eyes glaze over at whatwg serializing algorithm
# Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/share/2014/07/15/1 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-07-15/line/1405451659 (webmention)
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# gRegor` Guys, I was productive: https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/issues/53 ;)
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# gRegor` !give gRegor` his karma
# gRegor` Thank you
# gRegor` Yeah.
# gRegor` aaronpk had it fixed at one point, it worked for a while, then the regex vanished and it stopped working
# gRegor` I think it got overwritten and wasn't in vc. Oops. No biggie, though.
# kylewm.com edited /photos (+1008) "added "with optional caption" to the definition and quote from mko about hi5 research" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /photos (+230) "/* Discussion */ follow-up, link to mko's sample HTML" (view diff)
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@_crossdiver Let's #indieweb our communication. /cc @usetalky #otalk @jitsinews #WebRTC (twitter.com/_/status/489132288739778561)
# gRegor` documentation++
# gRegor` Lulz
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@webrtcdigest RT @_crossdiver: Let's #indieweb our communication. /cc @usetalky #otalk @jitsinews #WebRTC (twitter.com/_/status/489133574637879297)
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# snarfed.org edited /photos (+71) "/* Distinguishing Photos from Notes */ github issue" (view diff)
# KartikPrabhu ahh ok people did useful things when I was gone! (correlation != causation) ;)
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# gRegor` Welcome back to the asylum
# KartikPrabhu thanks... had a good trip in the physics confusion gang in the meantime
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# Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2014/homebrew-website-club-july-16-2014 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-07-16-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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pfefferle snarfed GWG finally got the webmention-for-comments plugin ready to test… I am curious about your feedback https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention-for-comments
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# kylewm.com uploaded /File:kylewm-note-with-photo-2014-07-15.png "a note with a photo that is not a /photo"
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# kylewm.com edited /photos (+301) "/* Discussion */ added note with photo that is not a photo post" (view diff)
# gRegor` Good wiki work. tantek will be proud.
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# KartikPrabhu kylewm: re: your note with a photo example. If you were to post a photo with a caption, how would the posting UI differ. How would the reading UX differ?
# KartikPrabhu so how do you choose which one to use?
# KartikPrabhu ahh ok look forward to examples of this... as it will make me less confused
# kylewm.com edited /photos (+1) "/* Distinguishing Photos from Notes */ replace "posts with u-photo" with "notes with u-photo"" (view diff)
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# gRegor` Is there a PDX location for HWC tomorrow? http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-07-16-homebrew-website-club
# gRegor` bret ^
# cweiske phorkie 0.4 with single-click linkback(webmention)-based federated forking is out: http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/phorkie-0.4.0.htm
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# 
@nobantu Only a few more days of SuperEarlyBird ticket pricing 4 #IIW XIX (Oct 27-30) Register now! http://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-xix-19-2014b-tickets-11845172229 #identity #vrm #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/489159740786610176)
# KartikPrabhu kylewm: re: prev post on cweiske.de link?
# KartikPrabhu oh yeah... hmm neat
# gRegor` If you navigate back in those tags, there's links for "next" in those tags too
# gRegor` Pretty cool
# gRegor` Though does end up with a bunch of arrows
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# KartikPrabhu hey kylewm: you should try to do fragmentioned reply-contexts e.g. https://kylewm.com/like/2014/07/14/1 :)
# KartikPrabhu not mine but barnabywalters' http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4WjHpC/
# KartikPrabhu people! I want to play with exporting ebook notes (marginalia) and highlights to my site. Now notes can be in-reply-to a fragmention but what are highlights? like-of or bookmark or favourite ?
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# kylewm KartikPrabhu: maybe http://indiewebcamp.com/quotation
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# KartikPrabhu interesting thanks kylewm. seems like the possible types of posts is getting larger
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# KartikPrabhu cuibonobo: I'm using https://github.com/bear/ronkyuu for sending and receiving webmentions :)
# KartikPrabhu I should note that since this is the second time my defection has come up :P
# KartikPrabhu cuibonobo: my code which wraps this stuff is on here: https://github.com/kartikprabhu/connection warning horrible orgamisation and documentation
# KartikPrabhu wooohooo python
# KartikPrabhu *high five*
# kylewm also check out http://indiewebcamp.com/Python
# KartikPrabhu nice!
# KartikPrabhu bear's Hakkan is already a static+python
# KartikPrabhu oh yeah...
# KartikPrabhu should figure out how to best put code stuff on github correctly
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# KartikPrabhu ok stop now
# KartikPrabhu ok... is it the expectation that I make a diff UI for each sub note type? i get that Likes, Replies and Reposts are not that different from each other but then "Bookmark" and "Quotation" ?
# KartikPrabhu and "Photo"
# KartikPrabhu hmmm me no like
# KartikPrabhu too complex
# KartikPrabhu specially as there is not really a clean distinction to stuff I want to post
# KartikPrabhu like this is not technically a repost https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/take-stairs as defined by the wiki
# KartikPrabhu but my intention was to "reshare" it with friends with a quotation to provide context for why I want to share it with them
# KartikPrabhu man! I'm so mixed up with this post-type stuff
# gRegor` Probably best not to worry about it too much :)
# KartikPrabhu gregor`: if we can't figure this out and simplify it how do we expect these things to get wider acceptance?
# KartikPrabhu "Indieweb is so complicated. I'll stick to Medium" is an argument I can see being made
# KartikPrabhu even without the technical aspects
# gRegor` True...
# KartikPrabhu yes... which I why I am giving examples from my own site :)
# KartikPrabhu i se
# KartikPrabhu s/se/see
# KartikPrabhu well that correction was more typing than the original
# gRegor` So far it doesn't seem any of our "deviations" from the wiki are causing interop problems
# KartikPrabhu gregor`: I would claim otherwise
# KartikPrabhu let me find example
# gRegor` But I mean, by and large, there's not been problems with notes/photos/articles/etc
# KartikPrabhu https://kylewm.com/share/2014/03/27/1 this is a repost but with added commentary by kylewm ... how am I supposed to show the added commentary on my site?
# gRegor` looks
# 
@anomalily How many #indieweb points are awarded for getting one's nonprofit boss to learn and correctly use the term "selfdogfooding" appropriately? (twitter.com/_/status/489188132659535875)
# KartikPrabhu according to wiki defns repost does not have added commentary so my facepile is good for that
# @anomalily How many #indieweb points are awarded for getting one's nonprofit boss to learn and correctly use the term "selfdogfooding"? (twitter.com/_/status/489188217917169664)
# gRegor` Extract the p-name?
# KartikPrabhu gregor`: I could do many things but they are all because kylewm does not follow "conventions"
# KartikPrabhu kylewm: for the record I support commentary on reposts
# KartikPrabhu exactly!
# gRegor` If no p-name, "straight repost", if p-name, "added commentary"
# gRegor` I believe tumblr supports us on the commentary with reposts, btw.
# gRegor` reblog allows adding comments.
# KartikPrabhu kylewm: my current thinking is commentary on reposts is for your friends and not for original author
# gRegor` And they pretty much invented "reblog" didn't they?
# gRegor` (that term, at least)
# gRegor` additional commentary on tumblr reblogs is shown on the original, but truncated.
# KartikPrabhu so I should have used a repost on https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/drm-browsers and adactio should not have shown my commentary here: http://adactio.com/journal/6748/#comment523
# gRegor` "x reblogged this and added: . . . "
# KartikPrabhu ok I am becoming convinced of the followin POV. if it is a repost/like only, then the commentary is meant for followers of the reposter and not the author of the original post. But if it is repost and reply then the commentary is meant for the author of original post. Present the comment accordingly
# KartikPrabhu what say you?
# gRegor` It sounds good, but it's hard for me to tell really since I'm not even to the point of using reposts.
# KartikPrabhu kylewm: I have an "importance" order so reply > repost > like whichever matches the comment first that's the one picked up
# gRegor` I think it sounds good as a "should", but I think it should be up to the original author what they do with the commentary, regardless.
# KartikPrabhu gregor`: yes! I am saying that captures the "intention" of the reposter...
# gRegor` I meant, repostee
# gRegor` Original author
# KartikPrabhu we are saying the same thing :P
# gRegor` If you repost me and add a comment that's not in-reply-to, what if I still want to show it?
# gRegor` Well I want to violently agree!
# KartikPrabhu yeah you can! but if I intend for the comment to be for you i should add a in-reply-to just to be helpful :)
# gRegor` Cool. Cool cool cool.
# KartikPrabhu yeah goddarnit I agree with you
# KartikPrabhu shakes fist
# KartikPrabhu ooo new idea. if repost URL has fragmention then it is a quotation else it is a repost ... ?
# gRegor` ooo new idea. Thai curry fried rice. back in a bit.
# KartikPrabhu ok me out for dinner
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