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See, that’s what the app is perfect for.

Sounds perfect Wahhhh, I don’t wanna
thatsmistertoyou
heedra

unsung benefit i think a lot of ppl are sleeping on with using the public library is that i think its a great replacement for the dopamine hit some ppl get from online shopping. it kind of fills that niche of reserving something that you then get to anticipate the arrival of and enjoy when it arrives, but without like, the waste and the money.

nonimaginaryfriend

bonus it ALSO fills that dopamine hit of in-person shopping. “oh I didn’t go in looking for this but hmm, I’m tempted… I can’t resist… oh ho ho I have made some irresponsible decisions at the library today [carrying my stack of ten random books]” and then it doesn’t even matter if you don’t like them because a) free b) you’re gonna give them back anyway

grumpy-cardigan

Librarian here! Please please please please PLEASE do this! We don’t have any way to know if you read them, and we don’t care! We’re happy to see those books go out because that helps our stats. And that affects how much money we can get.

So grab that silly paperback romance, and maybe this new YA fantasy, oh and check for the new movies too! And don’t forget to check Libby and hoopla for music and ebooks and e-audio.

zinesbycee
thatsmistertoyou

maybe a hot take idk

look I know many people are upset about the pricing/fee situation of the TIT livestream (me included, I was pissed as hell that I got a large surprise fee), and I hope everything gets sorted out. I’m proud of the phandom for being loud and demanding fairness from the platform. you will not get shit past us.

I understand that. however, I completely disagree with some opinions I’ve seen (mainly on twitter but whatever) that charging for the stream at all is greedy, especially for people who have already paid to see the show. this is a weird take imo because this stream is supposed to be an opportunity for people who didn’t get to go to see it with an audience as a communal experience. but if you already spent money and don’t want to spend more, don’t!

and I don’t know anything about anything but based on the very little information dnp have provided about the cost of touring, I really don’t think they have the option to just do the stream for free. this is just my opinion, but based on how dan said he lost money touring WAD, i would not be surprised if the livestream paid for the rights he needed to release it for free on YouTube (and the extremely important rights to play All Star in the credits). just because he wrote and performed it doesn’t mean he owned it. it would not surprise me at all if the profits from the stream don’t go to dnp only.

and also, Things Cost Money, including livestreams. I think the platform has really showed their ass, but if we remove them from the equation for a second - everyone who put on TIT, including Dan and Phil, deserve to be compensated for their work. I don’t expect them to bleed money into this project forever just because it made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I’m sure they’re doing just fine financially, but they are not and never have asked anyone to take food off their table to support them.

I actually find it really disheartening to see just how many people were like, legitimately, personally angry with dnp before they had even had a chance to respond to our concerns. I’ve been around long enough to remember when they announced TABINOF, there was an uproar about how they were sellouts because they were writing a book just like every other youtuber, making a shitty cashgrab when they had nothing to say. in the 2 days before we knew what the book would even be about, the Discourse had never been more annoying or mean spirited.

and it made me wonder, what are yall doing here if you assume the worst like that? have you just been waiting for the masks to slip? are you appalled that they participate in the heinous capitalistic act of selling their labor like everyone else? have your years of support not earned a little bit of grace when there’s a miscommunication?

I’m not saying approach everything like ‘they’ve never done anything wrong once in their whole lives and never will’, but the vitriol that seems to come out at minor fuck ups is alarming. some of yall do not like them and it shows. (I am looking directly at twitter dot com now)

I find that attitude really sad. after the TABINOF drama, I promised myself I’d never lose sleep over phandom nonsense again, so I’m going to bed, just had to get some thoughts out there. 💙

zinesbycee

i can definitely understand this, and agree with a lot of it. i'd like to highlight some of the issues not broadly covered by this post, though:

-a universal price (translated directly from £ to $ etc) inherently excludes people from countries with lower average incomes. when it's proportionally more expensive for people from poorer countries, it's not a worldwide universal experience like they're framing it as

-the merchandise is only available in ~15 countries. countries excluded include basically all of the continents of Africa and Asia. obviously no one is entitled to the right to buy merch, but it's disheartening that none is available to such wide swathes of the world (again while the online event is treated like it's worldwide and accessible to all). the exclusion of Japan specifically feels kinda weird given the multiple videos themed around Japan and the entire merchline themed around Japan - if they're gonna profit from Japanese imagery, it'd be nice if they could include Japanese fans in merch.

-the refunds are being issued very slowly if at all - i bought and then emailed for a refund VERY quickly after the announcement, and have only had the automatic refund of a very small portion that's being issued universally. i imagine i was one of the very first to contact kiswe, and have had no acknowledgement of this contact. i'm not demanding instant response - i understand that these things take time - but i have yet to see ANYONE get a response or a full refund

-the company is seemingly making false claims, such as that only paypal users were impacted by the various issues, when even just in the replies there are multiple people who paid by card who were impacted. it's frustrating that they're whitewashing the scale of the fuckery.

-the company is the same one used for dan's tour livestream, with whom there were assorted issues (such as merch not being dispatched for 4 weeks with broken tracking links, and pro-palestine sentiments being censored in chat). it would have been nice if a different company was chosen, or if those problems were acknowledged more widely by kiswe.

-many people have reported quality issues with TIT merch, including packs of cards containing 5 duplicates, designs on shirts dissolving after one wash, and holes wearing through jumpers after one wash. the response has been slow (i'm personally a month in to my wait for replacement merch for something i got that was defective), and it's just another element of Frustrated With Dan And Phil As A Brand that people are dealing with at the moment.

everyone who worked on the tour deserves to be recompensed for their labour. dan and phil deserve to be recompensed for their labour. the company who run the livestream (whether that be kiswe or any other company) has workers who deserve to be recompensed. but this is a series of fuckeries that primarily negatively impact viewers who already didn't get to see the show live and which was avoidable.

i largely agree with you op, and i definitely think some people have been INCREDIBLY disproportionate. i just also think it's important to not minimise the significance of the problems and also to highlight the specific criticisms from, for example, African and Asian viewers.

(sorry for the many words lol, genuinely 0 hate or anger or frustration to op at all, i'm mostly expanding on the situation as a whole because i feel like there's a lot of nuance and details that only people Deeply Chronically Online know about. i also remember tabinof (and i remember the criticisms when danandphilshop was launched, and when dan and phil had separate online stores back in like 2011, and when they did the sim etc - i've also been around a long time and have seen a LOT of ridiculous, petty shit go down in this fandom) and i remember the deeply disproportionate comments (and video responses holy shit). i just think there's a Lot more substance to this topic than many of the others <3

awrfhi
thatsmistertoyou

maybe a hot take idk

look I know many people are upset about the pricing/fee situation of the TIT livestream (me included, I was pissed as hell that I got a large surprise fee), and I hope everything gets sorted out. I’m proud of the phandom for being loud and demanding fairness from the platform. you will not get shit past us.

I understand that. however, I completely disagree with some opinions I’ve seen (mainly on twitter but whatever) that charging for the stream at all is greedy, especially for people who have already paid to see the show. this is a weird take imo because this stream is supposed to be an opportunity for people who didn’t get to go to see it with an audience as a communal experience. but if you already spent money and don’t want to spend more, don’t!

and I don’t know anything about anything but based on the very little information dnp have provided about the cost of touring, I really don’t think they have the option to just do the stream for free. this is just my opinion, but based on how dan said he lost money touring WAD, i would not be surprised if the livestream paid for the rights he needed to release it for free on YouTube (and the extremely important rights to play All Star in the credits). just because he wrote and performed it doesn’t mean he owned it. it would not surprise me at all if the profits from the stream don’t go to dnp only.

and also, Things Cost Money, including livestreams. I think the platform has really showed their ass, but if we remove them from the equation for a second - everyone who put on TIT, including Dan and Phil, deserve to be compensated for their work. I don’t expect them to bleed money into this project forever just because it made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I’m sure they’re doing just fine financially, but they are not and never have asked anyone to take food off their table to support them.

I actually find it really disheartening to see just how many people were like, legitimately, personally angry with dnp before they had even had a chance to respond to our concerns. I’ve been around long enough to remember when they announced TABINOF, there was an uproar about how they were sellouts because they were writing a book just like every other youtuber, making a shitty cashgrab when they had nothing to say. in the 2 days before we knew what the book would even be about, the Discourse had never been more annoying or mean spirited.

and it made me wonder, what are yall doing here if you assume the worst like that? have you just been waiting for the masks to slip? are you appalled that they participate in the heinous capitalistic act of selling their labor like everyone else? have your years of support not earned a little bit of grace when there’s a miscommunication?

I’m not saying approach everything like ‘they’ve never done anything wrong once in their whole lives and never will’, but the vitriol that seems to come out at minor fuck ups is alarming. some of yall do not like them and it shows. (I am looking directly at twitter dot com now)

I find that attitude really sad. after the TABINOF drama, I promised myself I’d never lose sleep over phandom nonsense again, so I’m going to bed, just had to get some thoughts out there. 💙