Spamhaus DDoS grows to Internet-threatening size
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Regardless of whether CyberBunker was 'wronged' by Spamhaus, this is an incredibly disproportionate response. These guys are based out of the Netherlands, not some Eastern Bloc state. Where are the Dutch authorities?!?
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If only there was some way to deliver a device to such a facility to put a stop to this.
Some sort of "(cyber)bunker buster"...
Some sort of "(cyber)bunker buster"...
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Well, I suspect CyberBunker is about to find out what it means to be located in a country with laws. Too bad they didn't pick somewhere in the "axis of lawlessness" in Asia. You can't sit in the Netherlands and just declare war on the internet. Let's hope.
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"If a Tier 1 provider fails, that risks breaking the entire Internet."
Sounds almost as bad as typing 'Google' into Google or letting Jen take it to a presentation.
Sounds almost as bad as typing 'Google' into Google or letting Jen take it to a presentation.
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It amazes me that these guys think they can get away with this. Seriously, wtf.
Then again I am amazed that nobody seems to be able to stop them. Why not cut the line(s)?
Then again I am amazed that nobody seems to be able to stop them. Why not cut the line(s)?
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Jokes aside, we must seriously think to do something about it. I could totally see two countries doing this to each other.
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Of course the Dutch SWAT couldn't get inside. They stacked their party with warriors and forgot to bring a rogue or wizard to unlock the door.
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zeb600":1irydygz said:
Since they are in a country with laws, the legal system probably has to become involved before any sort of action is taken.
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The link goes to the Cyberbunker site (which actually timed out on me...). Is this true or just PR nonsense?
If it's true, one wonders whether they are adding interference with police and destruction of evidence to the things they could be charged with.
Overall... this is an annoyance, but things on the internet often don't get fixed unless they break pretty bad. Maybe this is bad enough to close some of the loopholes the DDoS is using.
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LoneBagel":8hhwubu6 said:
Quick! Get the Internet back to the elders before Douglas and April break into a fistfight and destroy civilization!
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zeb600":1cclk324 said:
This was my initial reaction as well. I have to think they have some kind of wireline access.
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null_interface":1tndnffs said:
Simple. Keep it simple. Why blow things up when you don't need to? Bunkers keep water out pretty well. Implies they'd keep it in too. Servers and network gear do not like water. Oh no. There's likely a fire hydrant nearby somewhere. Well?
Found it: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=51.50216 ... 3,3.907181
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Asinar":mmq2uvzx said:
That's probably part of it. Although I have to say if "Dutch authorities and the police have made several attempts to enter the bunker by force, none of these attempts were successful." it seems to me the legal system is pretty much rolling. It isn't entirely clear to me if that raid is connected to the DDoS though.
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Couldn't they just disrupt the fibre-optic cables or knock over the satellite dishes coming out of the bunker? Cyberbunker has to be connected to SOMETHING else for this to work...
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Instead of trying to get into the bunker, can't they just cut the cable that connects that bunker's servers to the ISP
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If there's a list of open DNS resolvers, why can't the Tier 1s just use that list as a RBL for all DNS traffic outbound from those IPs? There's bound to be some collateral damage (as there is from all RBLs) but it's hard to imagine many DNS queries legitimately traversing a Tier 1 network anyway. If it is a problem, the owners will lock down their server pretty quickly to get off the RBL.
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TheGame":36rto2et said:
diesel generators they claim of an unknown capacity
its a bunker meant to be self a contained unit.
*edit. ooh lines to the internet. thats better.
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mmm remember open DNS recursors were a good thing? NOPE.
an aside, what prevents ISPs modifying their BGP to sever the connection to/from CyberBunker ASs?
an aside, what prevents ISPs modifying their BGP to sever the connection to/from CyberBunker ASs?
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kwajkid":2u6v2o0y said:
That would work, as far as I know. However it seems like the poster above who suggested flooding the bunker has the best idea yet. Just enough water to short out the hardware without drowning anyone. You want them alive for the trial....
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These guys have to peer with someone to offload the traffic, blackhole the traffic at those routers.
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I kinda hate to say it, but I will be amused if someone ends up deploying a bunkerbuster to stop a DDoS.
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Why don't they just physically cut CyberBunkers connection to the rest of the world? Thave have to make a connection through another provider. Why isn't that provider cutting the link given the circumstances?
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This type of DDOS wouldn't be possible if ISPs would just filter their sodding egress traffic.
If a packet coming from inside your network has a source IP that's not in your address ranges, it's obviously bloody forged, so just drop the damned thing.
/pardon my language, but believe me, i'm struggling not to be ruder
If a packet coming from inside your network has a source IP that's not in your address ranges, it's obviously bloody forged, so just drop the damned thing.
/pardon my language, but believe me, i'm struggling not to be ruder
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If it were the U.S., getting an emergency injunction order of some sort wouldn't be too difficult.Asinar":6ngawlo1 said:
Going after their bank accounts would be a better long-term tactic, I think. Government orders an immediate freeze of the financial accounts of the company and any principals, then files suit against the alleged perpetrators for the damages caused to the Dutch economy.
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dbngshm":pk9ou1x2 said:
I ate so much popcorn from the prenda fiasco I'm sick of eating it. so I moved onto chocolate.
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So much for "DDoS is just like a diner sit-in, a form of civil disobedience. It disrupts normal business, but has no lasting harm once evacuated." (For example when Paypal and Mastercard were DDoS'd for blocking payments to Wikileaks and the FBI arrested a number of young DDoS'ers)
Guess it's different when a single entity has enough "civil disobedience" to fill up a country sized "diner"..
Guess it's different when a single entity has enough "civil disobedience" to fill up a country sized "diner"..
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The worst part....someone can take this as an excuse to oppose net neutrality laws.
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Jabrwock":vcgkgls2 said:
Yes, but you assume that the botnet C&Cs they use to execute this attack are hosted there. Most likely they are not.
And if that is the case, they can just buy a prepaid SIM card with a data plan, and use that to control the botnet from a laptop.
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