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Volnovakha taken by the DPR.
Shock and disbelief at what? Come on, Karlin, what’s your prediction?
I think that this is 70% likely: Russia keeps grinding away, and within six weeks controls much or all of eastern and southern Ukraine. But they’ll have taken a very high number of casualties — they already have — and they experience a great deal of trouble in holding and administering the territory.
20% likely: Russia is still stalled in six weeks, and has not achieved firm control over southern and eastern Ukraine.
7% likely: Negotiations succeed and Russia withdraws in exchange for recognition of Crimea, a binding neutrality agreement from Ukraine, some measure of independence for Luhansk and Donetsk, etc.
3% likely: Every other outcome, e.g.: Russia conquers the whole of the Ukraine. Or Poland enters the conflict. Or NATO enters the conflict. Or Japan attempts to take everything up to Sakhalin. Basically, every “wild card” outcome. The wild cards are not exactly unlikely on the whole, but each one is individually unlikely.
My point is that Russia turning things around and rapidly conquering the whole of the Ukraine would be shocking, but I think that it’s very unlikely. The most likely outcomes are not shocking, they are merely depressing.
Some good articles by the ambassador.
https://www.indianpunchline.com/zelensky-rubbishes-bidens-war-on-russia/
https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/NewsDetail/index/4/21559/Russia-Enters-Successful-Endgame-Ukraine-Signals-No-NATO
Pointless war, knew it would end soon when world Jewry raised concerns at the money various oligarchs were losing. In that sense Ukraine truly is a Western country.
Ukraine will rebuild, the period of CIA and oligarch rule will be as discredited as the nineties were for Russia. The damage to US prestige and the dollar system will be permanent.
If we knew answers to these questions a lot about Ukraine's near future would become clear.Replies: @Seraphim, @Reactive Reaction
I think that this is 70% likely: Russia keeps grinding away, and within six weeks controls much or all of eastern and southern Ukraine. But they'll have taken a very high number of casualties -- they already have -- and they experience a great deal of trouble in holding and administering the territory.
20% likely: Russia is still stalled in six weeks, and has not achieved firm control over southern and eastern Ukraine.
7% likely: Negotiations succeed and Russia withdraws in exchange for recognition of Crimea, a binding neutrality agreement from Ukraine, some measure of independence for Luhansk and Donetsk, etc.
3% likely: Every other outcome, e.g.: Russia conquers the whole of the Ukraine. Or Poland enters the conflict. Or NATO enters the conflict. Or Japan attempts to take everything up to Sakhalin. Basically, every "wild card" outcome. The wild cards are not exactly unlikely on the whole, but each one is individually unlikely.
My point is that Russia turning things around and rapidly conquering the whole of the Ukraine would be shocking, but I think that it's very unlikely. The most likely outcomes are not shocking, they are merely depressing.Replies: @inertial
I remember 20 years ago, in the first weeks of the second Gulf War, there was a lot of talk that American offensive had stalled and that America was losing in Iraq. Wise heads responded that things would be going slowly until they reached a breaking point–and then they’d go very fast. And this is exactly what happened in Iraq. It’s still the most likely scenario in the Ukraine.
2. We had a complete and total control of the air and a whole host of advantages that the Russian military does not enjoy currently.
3. That doesn't mean Russians would not prevail ultimately, but using historical analogies that bear little resemblance to different combatants in very different conditions isn't very fruitful.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP, @Anatoly Karlin, @inertial
Speaking of Ukrainian oligarchs, I wonder what they are doing. Are they making deals right now? What kind? With whom?
If we knew answers to these questions a lot about Ukraine’s near future would become clear.
The trouble with Israel, from the oligarch POV, is that they could wind up with a shitty apartment surrounded by Haredim and no dock space for the yacht. And Florida is overbuilt.Replies: @Dmitry
Winston Churchill’s strategic and military analysis of the German invasion of Poland and the subsequent Soviet invasion of Poland. Why didn’t the French and British declare war on Stalin for invading Poland too?
“Russians were guilty of gross treachery during the recent negotiations, but Marshal Voroshilov’s demand that the Russian armies, if they were allies of Poland, should occupy Vilnius and Lvov was a perfectly reasonable military demand. It was rejected by Poland, whose arguments, despite their naturalness, cannot be considered satisfactory in the light of current events. As a result, Russia took up the same positions as an enemy of Poland that it might have taken as a very dubious and suspected friend. The difference is actually not as great as it might seem. The Russians mobilized a very large force and showed that they were able to move quickly and far from their pre-war positions. They now border on Germany, and the latter is completely unable to expose the Eastern front. A large German army will have to be left behind to monitor it. As far as I know, General Hamelin estimates its strength at least 20 divisions, but there may well be 25 or even more. Therefore, the Eastern front potentially exists.
Russia is pursuing a cold policy of its own interests. We would prefer that the Russian armies stand in their present positions as friends and allies of Poland, rather than as invaders. But to protect Russia from the Nazi threat, it was clearly necessary that Russian armies should stand on this line. In any case, this line exists and, consequently, the Eastern front has been created, which Nazi Germany will not dare to attack…”
Advice from the top military establishment. It created a Cold Eastern Front. They were always hoping that Hitler might attack Stalin, or that the Russians might attack Germany. Proved to be decisive. Poles are nothing but a pain in the backside. Brave lads but essentially an annoyance.
Russia is pursuing a cold policy of its own interests. We would prefer that the Russian armies stand in their present positions as friends and allies of Poland, rather than as invaders. But to protect Russia from the Nazi threat, it was clearly necessary that Russian armies should stand on this line. In any case, this line exists and, consequently, the Eastern front has been created, which Nazi Germany will not dare to attack...”Advice from the top military establishment. It created a Cold Eastern Front. They were always hoping that Hitler might attack Stalin, or that the Russians might attack Germany. Proved to be decisive. Poles are nothing but a pain in the backside. Brave lads but essentially an annoyance.Replies: @Aedib
Poland is the hyena of Europe (Winston Churchill)
https://www.indianpunchline.com/zelensky-rubbishes-bidens-war-on-russia/
https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/NewsDetail/index/4/21559/Russia-Enters-Successful-Endgame-Ukraine-Signals-No-NATO
Pointless war, knew it would end soon when world Jewry raised concerns at the money various oligarchs were losing. In that sense Ukraine truly is a Western country.Replies: @Levtraro
Thanks. The ambassador is a jewel of Indian intelligentzia.
1. That all ended in tears for us Americans. We did lose in Iraq in the end.
2. We had a complete and total control of the air and a whole host of advantages that the Russian military does not enjoy currently.
3. That doesn’t mean Russians would not prevail ultimately, but using historical analogies that bear little resemblance to different combatants in very different conditions isn’t very fruitful.
Russia launched a small number of missile strikes on military objects before going up against a 95 IQ military, and yet that regardless, its rate of advance has been comparable. (In retrospect, there certainly wasn't near enough shock and awe at the beginning, naive and humane Russians underestimated the degree to which Ukrainians had been brainwashed into their Banderist cult).Replies: @Veteran of the Memic Wars, @AP, @Twinkie
- I guess it's forgotten now, but Iraq was quiescent for 2-3 months after the the active, "kinetic" phase of the war. But American civilian administration was bumbling around and the military maintained a "light footprint" (remember this phrase?) so US won the war but then eventually lost the peace. Will Russians do the same mistake? Possibly. But you can be sure that Russians know Ukrainians much better than Americans knew Iraqis.
- This is true, but on the other hand Russians do enjoy some advantages as compared to Americans in Iraq. For example, Russian army is fighting on its own turf.
- Last but not least, I didn't really intend to make an exhaustive comparison of the US campaign in Iraq vs. the Russian campaign in Ukraine. I am just using that war to make a simple point: Things happen gradually and then they happen suddenly. You shouldn't make linear extrapolations. This does not necessarily mean that the breaking point is inevitable (e.g. Russia may leave after reaching a diplomatic agreement.) But this is the way to bet.
2. We had a complete and total control of the air and a whole host of advantages that the Russian military does not enjoy currently.
3. That doesn't mean Russians would not prevail ultimately, but using historical analogies that bear little resemblance to different combatants in very different conditions isn't very fruitful.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP, @Anatoly Karlin, @inertial
If I travelled back in time and talked individually to each Russian partisan on this site and informed them of how the war had gone by now, they would be totally shocked and would never believe me.
If I then informed Putin of the same, he would not have launched this idiotic, cruel war. End of.
It’s like you all paid a huge amount for a buffet, found out that the food is extremely rotten and going to kill you, but keep shovelling it all down your throats to get your “money’s worth”.
Cretins.
(Sorry Twinkie, this was not aimed at you but I am still reply limited so I don’t want to delete and re-write as I get 3 in 24 hours.)
Amazing if true. Ukraine may have taken out a Russian ship using a land-based MRLS system:
2. We had a complete and total control of the air and a whole host of advantages that the Russian military does not enjoy currently.
3. That doesn't mean Russians would not prevail ultimately, but using historical analogies that bear little resemblance to different combatants in very different conditions isn't very fruitful.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP, @Anatoly Karlin, @inertial
What do you guess the likely outcome will be?
That goes double for any kind of combat, where there are opposing wills. Recently another commenter asked for my opinion of what would happen in a particular MMA fight, and I answered similarly. There are just too many unpredictable variables in war, as in a person-to-person fight. In the latter, there is a saying, "So-and-so is totally going to win this fight... unless he slips on a banana peel or something." Well, the world is full of banana peels. So I only offered up what I saw as strengths and weaknesses of each fighter.
I don't have anything original to add about the current Russo-Ukrainian conflict, but I will just make a few personal comments and observations:
1. I was surprised that the Russian air force has not achieved a total control of the air and has not provided a completely dominant overwatch and close air support. I read a number of different theories as to why, but the most plausible explanations (at least to me) seem to be that a) Russian air crews are not well-trained, certainly not on par with the best of Western air forces and are not proficient in mounting high-complexity joint air operations with a lot of aircraft and coordinating ground elements and b) the Russians don't appear to have a large stockpile of precision-guided munitions, with which to launch highly precise attacks on the ground. In absence of those, launching night attacks (to avoid MANPADs) with dumb bombs is bound to be inaccurate and ineffective - and much more likely incur collateral damage.
2. I was also surprised with how easily some Russian armored vehicle columns were ambushed by the Ukrainians in the early part of the war. As a number of observers pointed out, Russian ground forces - here and there - seemed not to operate well as combined arms teams, with armor, infantry, and artillery mutually supporting and covering for each other in advances. That's something one expects of poorly-trained and -motivated conscripts. Given the increasing professionalization of the Russian army in the past decade, I expected a much greater facility in combined arms operations especially at the small scale, tactical level.
3. As well, I found the Ukrainian resistance to be unexpectedly fierce so far. I generally have a pretty dim view of the training level, morale, and effectiveness of armed forces personnel below the first-tier military nations, so I thought the Ukrainians would crumble rather quickly. I think their unexpectedly better resistance forced a re-evaluation and re-thinking on the part of the Western nations, that likely would have written off the conquest of Ukraine, albeit with a lot of verbal furor, denunciations, and recriminations. I certainly did not expect the former comedian president of Ukraine to be so inspirational to his countrymen.
4. All this said, I think the conventional war is still Russia's to lose. The fact remains that there is a huge manpower and materiel disparity between the two forces in Russia's favor. I would think a more salient question wouldn't be so much about whether Russia will or will not win, but how much losses and suffering Russia is willing to incur and to inflict in order to achieve the said victory. For that matter, while Ukrainian morale seems to holding up well so far, formal resistance could collapse quickly if the Ukrainian national command authority were to be captured or killed. These are intangibles that cannot be measured or predicted.
5. Of course, that then begs the question: even if Russia were to win (which is not in any way guaranteed), what will a Russian occupation look like? Israeli military theorist Martin van Creveld once wrote that, in a post-modern world, when the strong fights the weak in a long war, the strong loses. Having failed to topple Ukraine in a lightning attack, Russia will have to use much more destructive means to achieve victory, which will only embitter the population it was supposed to "liberate," even setting aside the enormous international opprobrium. Although hardly assured one way or another, the prospect of a Russian victory being Pyrrhic and the conquest of Ukraine being a poisoned pill cannot be dismissed easily.
6. Yet another question, which I am not in any way qualified answer, is the issue of domestic consensus in Russia. Putin is an undisputed authoritarian leader, but he is not a God-Emperor. Surely he is to a varying degree sensitive to the Russian "street" opinion and domestic legitimacy. As with the CCP in China, I think Putin derives much of that domestic legitimacy from the fact that his rule has coincided with the re-rise of Russia as a world player, not to forget the rise in living standards. I cannot even begin to predict how and to what extent Russia's economy and standard of living will be affected by this war and how long the current domestic consensus (53% or something close to it supporting the war) would persist in the face of varying scenarios of negative outcomes (one shouldn't forget the effect of the Afghan War on the Soviet Union, which turned out to be far more sensitive to losses of its young men than the supposedly more brittle American domestic morale in Vietnam).
I guess this is a rather longwinded version of "Things turned out differently than I thought, and I have no clue what's going to happen next." ;)Replies: @Blinky Bill, @AP
A funny comment: why did Sleepy Joe not went to beg for oil to the “true” Venezuelan President, Juan Guaido?
-1- National leaders are busy people who do not waste their time meeting with someone who is irrelevant. Thus, Guaido refused to meet with Not-The-President Biden.
-2- Puppeteers controlling the current administration deliberately chose to "maximize evil". They can do more damage by encouraging Maduro.
PEACE 😇
Speaking of BFFs and allies:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/mar/9/saudi-arabia-uae-leaders-decline-calls-biden-amid-/
It doesn’t seem like that long ago that none would dare dissing the Prez like this.
Regardless of the final calculus in Ukraine the world is feeling a lot more multi-polar these days. Even Europe seems intent to chart it's own course to a greater extent.Replies: @iffen
I am curious where all this is headed.
PCR raises interesting concerns-too slow, too nice-too much time for the west to meddle.
I can only think about what I know- the slavs I know write brilliant code-but it is very buggy, lots of loose ends.
One has to remember that the west is run by the devil himself-8000 years old, the demon has seen it all and knows every angle to play. A loose end is bound to be pulled.
I am still convinced that Russia will have to waste a NATO country before it is all over.
Which probably means nuclear war.
It’s all over for the ukrocels.
While they rhapsodize over maps deluding themselves Russians only control “main roads” and trumpet individual Ukrainian victories (about 75% fake) and alleged Russian atrocities (99% fake and gay… Russia has conducted this war with truly Christ-like humaneness, American military fighting Neo-Nazi terrorists who shelter in kindergartens would have produced 5,000 civilian deaths by now instead of 500), the Donbass punishers are being progressively encircled with Mariupol fully encircled and reduced daily, the logistical hub of Izyum in particular now under Russian control, and the Lugansk forces on the verge of being completely surrounded, the ring of steel around Kiev is tightening with the main road west to Zhitomir cut off as of yesterday latest, meanwhile another armored spearhead races unopposed to encircle Nikolaev. Ukrainian air assets, AA, and armor have been progressively attritioned to very low levels, such that they no longer even bother with ridiculous claims like 30 helicopter kills and the like.
All of this will become progressively more and more obvious to the deluded and low IQ here over the next ten days. As I keep saying, the greater the delusion, the greater the resulting shock and disbelief once the inevitable comes to fruition.
Just curious, given that you seem to have high opinon of him. ;)
Recently the DrudgeReport headlines also make interesting read. It got me wondering how much I can trust the impression I got there regarding American domestic issues. 😂Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
2. We had a complete and total control of the air and a whole host of advantages that the Russian military does not enjoy currently.
3. That doesn't mean Russians would not prevail ultimately, but using historical analogies that bear little resemblance to different combatants in very different conditions isn't very fruitful.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP, @Anatoly Karlin, @inertial
Americans softened up the 85 IQ Iraqi military with no outside support after a month of heavy bombing including civilian infrastructure.
Russia launched a small number of missile strikes on military objects before going up against a 95 IQ military, and yet that regardless, its rate of advance has been comparable. (In retrospect, there certainly wasn’t near enough shock and awe at the beginning, naive and humane Russians underestimated the degree to which Ukrainians had been brainwashed into their Banderist cult).
But I know a lot less about Russia than you do so...
Missile strikes began March 19th. Army rolled in March 22nd.
My March 27th, the Americans had established control over Nasiriyah (population 500,000 at the time). That's after only 8 days.
After 13 days, the largest city the Russians control is Kherson (population 300,000).
American + Brits lost only 200 troops during the entire Iraq invasion.
Russians already have lost at least 1,000 by Russian estimates (they estimated 500 a few days ago), most likely 2,000 or so. So far, according to UN estimates, Russians have killed about 500 Ukrainian civilians yesterday.
Entire Iraq invasion had 3,200 to 7,000 civilian deaths so Russia is on track to kill as many Ukrainian civilians as the low estimate of Iraqi civilian deaths.
So Russians are killing about as many civilians in Ukraine as Americans did in Iraq, but are losing an order of magnitude more soldiers while gaining population centers more slowly. And they are managing to do this not on another continent but right next door to their homeland. What a senseless debacle.Replies: @Wokechoke
Prescient. Prophetic.
How so? The Russians are methodically taking over the country. It’s only the msm that claimed the Russians expected an immediate surrender. It takes time to move 100,000 troops along with supplies. We once did an exercise where we moved about 500 men from Arizona to Texas and it took us almost a week just to get set up and our only enemy was the sun. I am unaware of any war against a decent sized country that was over in less than 35 days. That was German and Soviet Union invasion of Poland in 1939. Took US 2 months to dispose of the 3rd world Iraq in a mostly open desert.
While they rhapsodize over maps deluding themselves Russians only control "main roads" and trumpet individual Ukrainian victories (about 75% fake) and alleged Russian atrocities (99% fake and gay... Russia has conducted this war with truly Christ-like humaneness, American military fighting Neo-Nazi terrorists who shelter in kindergartens would have produced 5,000 civilian deaths by now instead of 500), the Donbass punishers are being progressively encircled with Mariupol fully encircled and reduced daily, the logistical hub of Izyum in particular now under Russian control, and the Lugansk forces on the verge of being completely surrounded, the ring of steel around Kiev is tightening with the main road west to Zhitomir cut off as of yesterday latest, meanwhile another armored spearhead races unopposed to encircle Nikolaev. Ukrainian air assets, AA, and armor have been progressively attritioned to very low levels, such that they no longer even bother with ridiculous claims like 30 helicopter kills and the like.
All of this will become progressively more and more obvious to the deluded and low IQ here over the next ten days. As I keep saying, the greater the delusion, the greater the resulting shock and disbelief once the inevitable comes to fruition.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @silviosilver, @Aedib, @yakushimaru
This is a good attempt to be positive, but let’s be serious: these are Russian tasks in order of difficulty. The further down the list is the harder they will be to achieve. Basically increasing by orders of magnitude.
1. Achieve air supremacy.
2. Occupy Mariupol.
It seems like Russia will get here in a week, though it is hardly guaranteed.
3. Occupy Kharkiv.
4. Defeat all Ukrainian forces outside of cities.
5. Occupy Odesa.
6. Occupy Kyiv.
This was supposed to happen in 48 hours. It has no chance of happening any time soon. Can the Russian army be combat effective that long? Probably not.
7. Occupy Lviv
How’s this going to happen?
8. Maintain order in Russia, Belarus, Chechnya etc. under crushing economic depression.
Good luck!
9. Pacify infinitely supplied Ukrainian insurgencies.
Literally a 0% chance of this happening.
Since you’re still struggling with “1” and have no plans for anything above “4”, I would wish you luck but the endeavour is rotten and Lavrov will be sweating buckets to make something approaching a non-losers’ peace tonight.
Honestly, though, I do prefer your attempts at propaganda to someone like Pepe Escobar’s. You seem to be an honest patriot doing your best for a completely insane endeavour. People like Pepe Escobar however are just about the most cringe I can imagine. He doesn’t just write geopolitical fan fiction, he writes geo political fan fiction for late middle-aged male incels – the ultimate in cringe demographics.
And that’s before I get to Ron Unz, whose “contribution” to Putin’s propoganda was to argue that he really is like Hitler and that’s why he is great.
Anybody who isn’t Russian, isn’t directly paid money and is still on the Putin train has outed themselves as manipulatable mush-brained morons.
I respect your efforts as you’ve been dealt an awful hand, but some of your commenters are among the world’s most tragic people. Not because they suffer, but because they’re insufferable.
Anyway, I still think that Russia could play a blinder by somehow joining the EU with Belarus and Ukraine. Don’t ask me how they achieve it, but some sort of perfunctory regime change, false hope and change agenda and riding the wave of Western public elief might actually get you somewhere. At that point, the conservative Slavs really would control Europe. From defeat to victory in a few wonder manouervres.
This is also my favoured option. Probably a fantasy, but a lot more fun than pretending that this war and the sanctions are going as planned.
I don't in general read Ron's pieces because they are so goofy, but that sounds about right and very entertaining - I will have to check that out. .
Wow, well that's a fascinating idea.
There are so many ways to wage war - some of the most subtle can be the most successful.
For the "Slave empire" to actually take over the West from within rather than stupidly confronting it's power - is such subtlety even possible in our blunt, stupid, and crass age?
It would be like Christianity taking over the Roman Empire from within - precisely through a process of refusing to fight it.
Are Slavs approaching their moment in history when they can become a "world historical" people - the moment when they push the engine of history forward?
All peoples more or less get this moment.
Probably not quite yet - but maybe soon. The strength and fervor of the Ukrainian resistance is something deeply interesting and suggestive. Russia in it's current iteration seems played out - only more of the old.
I don't know...
The times are becoming interesting.Replies: @Barbarossa, @Justvisiting
Man, the propoganda war is heating up 🙂
It’s fascinating to me how in our age nothing is simple and clear cut anymore, but everything is “perspective management” and competing narratives.
There is a complete breakdown on what used to be called “consensus reality”. Now all we have is competing narratives.
It was the same with Covid. No “consensus reality” and just a bunch of competing narratives.
If Russian success was obvious and clear cut, Karlin would hardly have to come here with such strident assertions and such insistent insistences.
It was the same with Covid. A clearly deadly or serious plague would hardly have needed such perspective management.
But so it goes in our increasingly weird and not normal age…
In my view, this is a necessary stage in the evolution to something new and a good thing – the old “consensus reality” had obviously outlived its usefulness.
Two possibilities spring to mind:
-1- National leaders are busy people who do not waste their time meeting with someone who is irrelevant. Thus, Guaido refused to meet with Not-The-President Biden.
-2- Puppeteers controlling the current administration deliberately chose to “maximize evil”. They can do more damage by encouraging Maduro.
PEACE 😇
Lol, that was awesomely amusing 🙂
I don’t in general read Ron’s pieces because they are so goofy, but that sounds about right and very entertaining – I will have to check that out.
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Wow, well that’s a fascinating idea.
There are so many ways to wage war – some of the most subtle can be the most successful.
For the “Slave empire” to actually take over the West from within rather than stupidly confronting it’s power – is such subtlety even possible in our blunt, stupid, and crass age?
It would be like Christianity taking over the Roman Empire from within – precisely through a process of refusing to fight it.
Are Slavs approaching their moment in history when they can become a “world historical” people – the moment when they push the engine of history forward?
All peoples more or less get this moment.
Probably not quite yet – but maybe soon. The strength and fervor of the Ukrainian resistance is something deeply interesting and suggestive. Russia in it’s current iteration seems played out – only more of the old.
I don’t know…
The times are becoming interesting.
--This website where we can seriously debate a variety of topics
--His amusing "resistance" to "crazy conspiracy theories"--They are all "crazy" until the magic moment when he finally believes them--one at a time. All it takes is a couple of "respectable" folks to "get it" and Ron is persuaded. That is a rather creative approach to epistemology.
;-)
The Russians haven’t yet done anything that might be considered hard. My other post to AK has 9 tasks for them to achieve and it would have been the same at the start of the war.
And to achieve nothing real, they have 12,000+ casualties, Generals being killed and ridiculous equipment losses.
The Russian military will need a cease fire in 2 weeks as it will be exhausted. Russia seems to have no operational reserve and troops are already low morale. This is just the way humans are.
Also, you see, war is not about covering miles, but, instead, it is about political goals. And nothing Russia has so far done has helped achieve those goals. In fact, Russia is far further from achieving those goals than it was 3 weeks ago.
Every military commander needs to ask themselves “what have I been told to do and why?”
And the “why?” is the key bit.
The invasion was launched in order to pacify Ukraine under Russian domination. If you can see a way for Russia to achieve that, and you’re right, then I’d wager you to be the greatest military genius of all time.
Or, if you can see anything that Russia has achieved that has contributed towards that goal, then you’re a total imbecile, or even if you can’t see how Russia is further from that goal than they have been in centuries.
And they have no cards left to play and are facing economic ruin…
Sometimes it is more honourable to know when to give up, rather than playing a losing hand to utter bankruptcy and domestic collapse. Russia still has a huge country. Why not go home and develop it? You don’t lack for land and NATO is entirely non-aggressive to you. They can’t even organise to give planes to the Ukrainians in the heaviest of circumstances. They are 0 threat to your actual homeland. NATO is mostly just a way to keep the public onside with military spending.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/945252504998932491/950867741466853436/unknown.png
An imbecile I may be, but you have no idea how high or low Russian morale is, or whether "two weeks" in what will take at least 2-6 months, has "exhausted" them. The Ukrainians have a professional military and are following their orders no matter how ridiculous they might be. Staying in the Donbass instead of retreating to a more defensible position across the Dneiper strikes me as a dangerous gambit.
The Russians say the purpose is to break the Ukrainian military and force neutrality on them. Those goals seem quite reachable. I'd say they could probably install a Vichy type government over the whole country if they choose, but we'll see. In the end, the Ukes will lose at least Crimea and the Donbass anyway, and probably more, when they could have gone along with the Minsk accords and avoided the war altogether.Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP
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While they rhapsodize over maps deluding themselves Russians only control "main roads" and trumpet individual Ukrainian victories (about 75% fake) and alleged Russian atrocities (99% fake and gay... Russia has conducted this war with truly Christ-like humaneness, American military fighting Neo-Nazi terrorists who shelter in kindergartens would have produced 5,000 civilian deaths by now instead of 500), the Donbass punishers are being progressively encircled with Mariupol fully encircled and reduced daily, the logistical hub of Izyum in particular now under Russian control, and the Lugansk forces on the verge of being completely surrounded, the ring of steel around Kiev is tightening with the main road west to Zhitomir cut off as of yesterday latest, meanwhile another armored spearhead races unopposed to encircle Nikolaev. Ukrainian air assets, AA, and armor have been progressively attritioned to very low levels, such that they no longer even bother with ridiculous claims like 30 helicopter kills and the like.
All of this will become progressively more and more obvious to the deluded and low IQ here over the next ten days. As I keep saying, the greater the delusion, the greater the resulting shock and disbelief once the inevitable comes to fruition.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @silviosilver, @Aedib, @yakushimaru
I’m not competent to judge how well or poorly the war is going for either side, but I do find it astonishing how ready some people are to believe their own side’s propaganda (this is aimed more at the Uke side). It reminds me of Serbian claims that NATO planes were dropping like flies in 1999 (and all the dopey, desperate Serbs who fell for it) and that goofball Iraqi information minister in 2003. I guess no matter how badly you’re losing, there’s no upside to admitting the truth so why not lie. (To repeat: not saying this is definitely the case for Ukraine. Maybe they’re doing just as well – or even better – than they claim. I’m just wary of believing it.)
Ironically, I would have been better served by relying on my own CMP (2020): https://www.unz.com/akarlin/cmp-2021/
Russia/USSR: 32.8
Ukraine: 4.0
Still no real chance for Ukraine with ~70% of Russian military power concentrated against it.
For comparison, in 1991:
United States: 92.2
Iraq: 2.1
So it went much more quickly and more smoothly.
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Nonetheless, while I might have been temporarily humiliated, it is Russia whose final victory is all but assured.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123, @Twinkie
The EaEU exists to get Russia better terms for joining the EU than it could as a country. So that one is already under way.
I am not a coping liar, unlike some, so I’ll freely admit my early speculations about a very fast victory (predicated on Ukrainians disintegrating under shock and awe) were highly incorrect. In my defense, it was a delusion apparently shared by the Russian General Staff.
Ironically, I would have been better served by relying on my own CMP (2020): https://www.unz.com/akarlin/cmp-2021/
Russia/USSR: 32.8
Ukraine: 4.0
Still no real chance for Ukraine with ~70% of Russian military power concentrated against it.
For comparison, in 1991:
United States: 92.2
Iraq: 2.1
So it went much more quickly and more smoothly.
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Nonetheless, while I might have been temporarily humiliated, it is Russia whose final victory is all but assured.
1. he says the Russian report that they have document proof Americans were operating biological weapons facilities is solid.
2. he says the Russian report that they have document proof that major Ukraine army incursion into Donbas was imminent on Feb 22 is solid.
3. he says the civilian safe passage corridor strategy is something they hashed out in Syria and that the great tactical result is it makes it trivial for uncommitted enemy soldiers to readily desert their post.
I am on the other side of the planet and I have no idea how authentic these claims are but he is presenting them at some risk to his own safety so I have very small doubt that he believes it.
Russia can grind out a War Win via their logistics & material advantage over Ukraine. What strategy will Russia use? Especially for dense urban areas, such as Kiev:
-A- Infantry led approach would incur high casualties.
-B- Extensive artillery use before the infantry goes in would devastate infrastructure.
-C- Surround & besiege without entering. This could tie up huge #'s of troops for an extended period of time.
It would appear that Putin is thinking long term. He wants to Win The Peace. All of the options (A, B, & C) are unappealing choices. The best way forward is:
-D- Negotiating a deal that ends the offensive.
Both sides need to pull back from their initial demands. Admittedly, that is an easy phrase for an outsider like myself to write. Much harder for the participants.
Zelensky's less than friendly words about about NATO (1) is a first step, though a small one, towards the Russian position. Russian needs to make a roughly similar magnitude, symbolic gesture to keep the ball rolling and build up some good will.
If forced to put numbers on it, I would guess a 50%/50% split on the negotiations working. However, I concede that may be overly optimistic on my part.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/here-are-all-latest-news-and-developments-ukraine-war-march-8
And how smoothly do you think OIF went in the end?
Numbers matter, but there are many intangible elements in war. A lot of banana peels. We Americans learned that the hard way more than once. It appears the Russians need to learn it more than once too. That sounds more sober than before. Here is a more interesting use of your intellect, instead of bombastic Russian neo-imperialist slogans: what plausible conditions do you think would lead to the "but" outcomes?
While they rhapsodize over maps deluding themselves Russians only control "main roads" and trumpet individual Ukrainian victories (about 75% fake) and alleged Russian atrocities (99% fake and gay... Russia has conducted this war with truly Christ-like humaneness, American military fighting Neo-Nazi terrorists who shelter in kindergartens would have produced 5,000 civilian deaths by now instead of 500), the Donbass punishers are being progressively encircled with Mariupol fully encircled and reduced daily, the logistical hub of Izyum in particular now under Russian control, and the Lugansk forces on the verge of being completely surrounded, the ring of steel around Kiev is tightening with the main road west to Zhitomir cut off as of yesterday latest, meanwhile another armored spearhead races unopposed to encircle Nikolaev. Ukrainian air assets, AA, and armor have been progressively attritioned to very low levels, such that they no longer even bother with ridiculous claims like 30 helicopter kills and the like.
All of this will become progressively more and more obvious to the deluded and low IQ here over the next ten days. As I keep saying, the greater the delusion, the greater the resulting shock and disbelief once the inevitable comes to fruition.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @silviosilver, @Aedib, @yakushimaru
While you description is mostly true, you should concede that your “Powerful takes” claims were over-optimistic. You predicted the end of the coherent Ukrainian resistance in just 1 week. Also, the Russian side suffered a considerably number of losses, and although the Ukrainians losses are way higher, the end body-count will be quite high. In addition there is a pretty low number of deserters. I don’t buy the inflated propaganda that AP place here but the Ukrainians are still fighting. I must concede that the lost “operational mobility” and are mostly entrenched in cities. Anyway, the mess will last at least two more months. Not a cheap victory (and I’m only referring to the military dimension).
The weaklings get weeded out by history, while the truly Great Men make their own fortune.Replies: @HenryBaker, @silviosilver, @Aedib
2. We had a complete and total control of the air and a whole host of advantages that the Russian military does not enjoy currently.
3. That doesn't mean Russians would not prevail ultimately, but using historical analogies that bear little resemblance to different combatants in very different conditions isn't very fruitful.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP, @Anatoly Karlin, @inertial
To address the points in order:
– I guess it’s forgotten now, but Iraq was quiescent for 2-3 months after the the active, “kinetic” phase of the war. But American civilian administration was bumbling around and the military maintained a “light footprint” (remember this phrase?) so US won the war but then eventually lost the peace. Will Russians do the same mistake? Possibly. But you can be sure that Russians know Ukrainians much better than Americans knew Iraqis.
– This is true, but on the other hand Russians do enjoy some advantages as compared to Americans in Iraq. For example, Russian army is fighting on its own turf.
– Last but not least, I didn’t really intend to make an exhaustive comparison of the US campaign in Iraq vs. the Russian campaign in Ukraine. I am just using that war to make a simple point: Things happen gradually and then they happen suddenly. You shouldn’t make linear extrapolations. This does not necessarily mean that the breaking point is inevitable (e.g. Russia may leave after reaching a diplomatic agreement.) But this is the way to bet.
Pretty minor compared to the world-historical significance of incorporating at least 25M more people into your empire.
The weaklings get weeded out by history, while the truly Great Men make their own fortune.
However, I will admit that if the Eastern front collapses, it's probably over for the Ukies, at least on the conventional front.
I think many readers share my curiosity about this sensitive issue.Replies: @AP
Shut up woman.
While they rhapsodize over maps deluding themselves Russians only control "main roads" and trumpet individual Ukrainian victories (about 75% fake) and alleged Russian atrocities (99% fake and gay... Russia has conducted this war with truly Christ-like humaneness, American military fighting Neo-Nazi terrorists who shelter in kindergartens would have produced 5,000 civilian deaths by now instead of 500), the Donbass punishers are being progressively encircled with Mariupol fully encircled and reduced daily, the logistical hub of Izyum in particular now under Russian control, and the Lugansk forces on the verge of being completely surrounded, the ring of steel around Kiev is tightening with the main road west to Zhitomir cut off as of yesterday latest, meanwhile another armored spearhead races unopposed to encircle Nikolaev. Ukrainian air assets, AA, and armor have been progressively attritioned to very low levels, such that they no longer even bother with ridiculous claims like 30 helicopter kills and the like.
All of this will become progressively more and more obvious to the deluded and low IQ here over the next ten days. As I keep saying, the greater the delusion, the greater the resulting shock and disbelief once the inevitable comes to fruition.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @silviosilver, @Aedib, @yakushimaru
Have you read Sailer’s “What Lessons Will Xi Draw From Putin’s War”?
Just curious, given that you seem to have high opinon of him. 😉
Recently the DrudgeReport headlines also make interesting read. It got me wondering how much I can trust the impression I got there regarding American domestic issues. 😂
The best lesson for China is to strike first and strike hard.
https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1498119654908309505Replies: @silviosilver, @Twinkie, @yakushimaru
Just curious, given that you seem to have high opinon of him. ;)
Recently the DrudgeReport headlines also make interesting read. It got me wondering how much I can trust the impression I got there regarding American domestic issues. 😂Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
While I do have a high opinion of Sailer, he didn’t know who Soleimani was before his assassination, geopolitics isn’t his forte and his takes on it are highly cartoonish and informed by Twitter journo/OSINT nincompoops.
The best lesson for China is to strike first and strike hard.
Strike hard
No mercy
- Kobra KaiReplies: @songbird, @Aedib
Actually, the lesson for China should've been pretty straight forward. It is to make preparations, more preparations. And if it is made to align with general development instead of a bunker attitude, then it should be settled. The other parties can do not much at all.Replies: @Yellowface Anon
The weaklings get weeded out by history, while the truly Great Men make their own fortune.Replies: @HenryBaker, @silviosilver, @Aedib
Your true disappointment may come in the form of Russia leaving Ukraine after some sort of treaty. Be careful that the ‘shock and disbelief’ you talk of won’t be your own! You’re very invested in both the annexation, and ultimate Russian victory points of view. I think you’re leaving too many uncertainties out of your analysis here- that’s probably the nationalism. Your nationalist biases were imo quite clear in your idea that Ukraine (as a ‘fake state’) would not resist much and roll over quickly, which is more or less the same sentiment as held by colonizing European powers during the decolonization wars.
However, I will admit that if the Eastern front collapses, it’s probably over for the Ukies, at least on the conventional front.
https://i.imgur.com/Ovy8Ab6.pngReplies: @Seraphim, @Wielgus
A single phrase explains the fanatical ‘international support’ for the ‘sovereignty and territorial integrity’ of ‘Ukraine’, the abject worship of the clown Zelenski by the chorus of clowns of the “UK Parliament” under the direction of the clown in chief Blojo: ”the most important of groups in Ukraine: the Jews”.
If Putin and his generals were reading these comments he would have won the war within 24 hours of it starting, I am sure.
So many arm-chair generals so willing to offer advice!
Blinken Green Lights —
Russia launched a small number of missile strikes on military objects before going up against a 95 IQ military, and yet that regardless, its rate of advance has been comparable. (In retrospect, there certainly wasn't near enough shock and awe at the beginning, naive and humane Russians underestimated the degree to which Ukrainians had been brainwashed into their Banderist cult).Replies: @Veteran of the Memic Wars, @AP, @Twinkie
“Naive” and “Russians” never really sound good together on the lips, IMO. I think Russia calculated that they were willing to lose more of their own soldiers to minimize the “shock and awe” they have to lay down to pacify Ukraine (thus generating the minimum of hatred necessary among the Ukrainian people). They may have figured that if they give logic, Russian messaging (they may not be winning the internet war, but I think they’re probably working the bullhorns and the radios pretty hard at the tactical level), Ukrainian word of mouth time to work, and USkraine brainwashing time to wear off, they’ll be doing what they can to minimize lemming-like behavior from the population. That kind of thing tends to slow down an advance (making it, I dunno, almost “police action”-like, eh?).
But I know a lot less about Russia than you do so…
And Russia is behind an Iron Curtain once again. Do you like that?
What’s crazy is how certain everyone is. I was discussing the war with a goofy 18 year old the other day, and he was just regurgitating western mass propaganda narrative as gospel with zero critical thinking. And he’s a pretty smart kid, even if he is a shitlib. He was flabbergasted when I told him Moscow has a population of like 17-20 million people, he was like, “no, Moscow is like 3 or 4 million” and I said “bullshit, it’s like 17m” with absolute certainty, because I’d just looked it up recently. I hope I punctured his bubble a bit; maybe he’ll go back and review his other “facts.”
How are these people so certain? I keep asking them that. I guess these kids are too young to know how much western media lies? But what excuse do the people here have (Russia shills included)? They can’t all be 18.
I have done a fair amount of reading indie sources, reading between the lines, and sifting facts and thinking critically, and I have my speculative analysis, but it isn’t delivered with certainty, overall. Then again, the western narrative is so stupid that I’m pretty certain it’s wrong on the important facts (how the war is going).
Think I recall hearing that sanctions on Rhodesia were ineffective, at least on the civilian end of it, and that they were able to develop their own packaging plants for basic consumer goods, like breakfast cereal, which seems pretty remarkable, though I suppose that was with tacit support from South Africa and maybe the Portuguese colonies, which however were not as advanced as China is today.
Perhaps, Russia should invade Africa for good measure.
The Russians have taken the coastline, disabled the Ukrainian air force and navy, nearly surrounded the Ukrainian military in the Donbass, surrounded the capital as well as every large population area except Lviv. They’ve secured supply lines for all their troops. They are advancing on every front.
An imbecile I may be, but you have no idea how high or low Russian morale is, or whether “two weeks” in what will take at least 2-6 months, has “exhausted” them. The Ukrainians have a professional military and are following their orders no matter how ridiculous they might be. Staying in the Donbass instead of retreating to a more defensible position across the Dneiper strikes me as a dangerous gambit.
The Russians say the purpose is to break the Ukrainian military and force neutrality on them. Those goals seem quite reachable. I’d say they could probably install a Vichy type government over the whole country if they choose, but we’ll see. In the end, the Ukes will lose at least Crimea and the Donbass anyway, and probably more, when they could have gone along with the Minsk accords and avoided the war altogether.
Where do you get your "information?"Replies: @Rich, @Wokechoke
The weaklings get weeded out by history, while the truly Great Men make their own fortune.Replies: @HenryBaker, @silviosilver, @Aedib
Quite the transformation (into… I know not what).
The best lesson for China is to strike first and strike hard.
https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1498119654908309505Replies: @silviosilver, @Twinkie, @yakushimaru
Strike first
Strike hard
No mercy
– Kobra Kai
Pretty tragic, when you put it in its local context of what happened to California. Yeah, as if that would have happened in LA, in 1984! Equivalent of Jussie Smollet's accusation. And, of course, in the remake, Daniel was replaced with a black. But, then again, maybe there was a hidden message in him being Italian. LOL.Replies: @silviosilver, @LondonBob
If I were China, I would not try a repeat of Japan in the Second World War.
At least, not in the conventional sense. The Japanese did try to increase our problems with blacks, probably not to any great strategic effect. But in the current year, would be incredibly easy and effective for China to do. By Vietnam, we were already keeping draftees garrisoned in the US, to avoid problems with blacks, and America was a lot saner and more functional back then.
Strike hard
No mercy
- Kobra KaiReplies: @songbird, @Aedib
Unfortunate thing about the movie Karate Kid is that beyond the lessons of hard work from humble beginnings, they do play up the racism angle. (One scene where rednecks harass Miyagi at the beach.)
Pretty tragic, when you put it in its local context of what happened to California. Yeah, as if that would have happened in LA, in 1984! Equivalent of Jussie Smollet’s accusation. And, of course, in the remake, Daniel was replaced with a black. But, then again, maybe there was a hidden message in him being Italian. LOL.
An imbecile I may be, but you have no idea how high or low Russian morale is, or whether "two weeks" in what will take at least 2-6 months, has "exhausted" them. The Ukrainians have a professional military and are following their orders no matter how ridiculous they might be. Staying in the Donbass instead of retreating to a more defensible position across the Dneiper strikes me as a dangerous gambit.
The Russians say the purpose is to break the Ukrainian military and force neutrality on them. Those goals seem quite reachable. I'd say they could probably install a Vichy type government over the whole country if they choose, but we'll see. In the end, the Ukes will lose at least Crimea and the Donbass anyway, and probably more, when they could have gone along with the Minsk accords and avoided the war altogether.Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP
It’s a Cauldron.
An imbecile I may be, but you have no idea how high or low Russian morale is, or whether "two weeks" in what will take at least 2-6 months, has "exhausted" them. The Ukrainians have a professional military and are following their orders no matter how ridiculous they might be. Staying in the Donbass instead of retreating to a more defensible position across the Dneiper strikes me as a dangerous gambit.
The Russians say the purpose is to break the Ukrainian military and force neutrality on them. Those goals seem quite reachable. I'd say they could probably install a Vichy type government over the whole country if they choose, but we'll see. In the end, the Ukes will lose at least Crimea and the Donbass anyway, and probably more, when they could have gone along with the Minsk accords and avoided the war altogether.Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP
Not yet. They haven’t taken Odessa or Mykolaiv.
Air force still fights. Tiny Navy is gone.
Some of them.
Nonsense. Groceries still getting in. People still coming and going (a bunch of foreign volunteers just arrived). Russians to the NW and NE.
Odessa not surrounded. No Russian troops even close to Dnipro (Ukraine’s fourth largest city, population 980,000).
Where do you get your “information?”
Russia launched a small number of missile strikes on military objects before going up against a 95 IQ military, and yet that regardless, its rate of advance has been comparable. (In retrospect, there certainly wasn't near enough shock and awe at the beginning, naive and humane Russians underestimated the degree to which Ukrainians had been brainwashed into their Banderist cult).Replies: @Veteran of the Memic Wars, @AP, @Twinkie
It was more like a couple of days of heavy bombing.
Missile strikes began March 19th. Army rolled in March 22nd.
My March 27th, the Americans had established control over Nasiriyah (population 500,000 at the time). That’s after only 8 days.
After 13 days, the largest city the Russians control is Kherson (population 300,000).
American + Brits lost only 200 troops during the entire Iraq invasion.
Russians already have lost at least 1,000 by Russian estimates (they estimated 500 a few days ago), most likely 2,000 or so.
So far, according to UN estimates, Russians have killed about 500 Ukrainian civilians yesterday.
Entire Iraq invasion had 3,200 to 7,000 civilian deaths so Russia is on track to kill as many Ukrainian civilians as the low estimate of Iraqi civilian deaths.
So Russians are killing about as many civilians in Ukraine as Americans did in Iraq, but are losing an order of magnitude more soldiers while gaining population centers more slowly. And they are managing to do this not on another continent but right next door to their homeland. What a senseless debacle.
If we knew answers to these questions a lot about Ukraine's near future would become clear.Replies: @Seraphim, @Reactive Reaction
They all fled the country. The rats fleeing the sinking ship.
Where do you get your "information?"Replies: @Rich, @Wokechoke
Your information is old, and clouded by propaganda except about Dnipro. You are certainly entitled to wishful thinking. I don’t have a side in this fight, so I’m trying to look at the war as clear-eyed as possible. As we all know, “truth is the first casualty of war”.
Is Ukraine's air force gone? No. US DOD claims most of it is still operable and Russia claims the first and second class pilots have been killed but admits that it is still capable of single attempts to sorties by combat aircraft.
Is Kiev surrounded? No. The southern approach is still free. The city is still getting resupplied. It may get surrounded in another couple of days, but it certainly is not surrounded now.Replies: @Rich
Where do you get your "information?"Replies: @Rich, @Wokechoke
I’ve typed in names of various towns and hamlets around the motorway/freeway/interstate/autobahn junctions feeding into Kiev. The Ukrianians boast about tanks they’ve knocked out in various key areas at these highway junctions.
Tap in a village after scanning the Google Map, cross reference that with Ukraine claims of knocked out Russian AFV in Google word search. Boryspil Brovary Buzova all towns on the outer ring road into Kiev all places where the Russians are fighting Ukrainian checkpoints and garrisons.
Kiev is surrounded and the artillery is firing. There’s a route out to the south but all those highways are targets if there’s incoming traffic. Well Within range of howitzer, missile and direct fire. Pretty stupid of the mercs to arrive into the drum fire of artillery. I understand Poltava has been bypassed according to Jane’s and the forward elements of column are on the Dneiper near those bridging points.
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Overall, this was involves two things:
1. Russia is losing large numbers of men and equipment. These are not really getting resupplied (about 75% of Russia's usable military is already in Ukraine; we see junk being sent from the Far East, Russia is scraping the bottom of the barrel).
2. Ukraine is also losing men and equipment but at a lower rate after the first couple days, and Ukraine is getting largescale resupplies of both (reserves and territorial defenses and volunteers from abroad keep coming, as do arms shipments of first class weapons)
3. Russia continues to advance steadily but slowly.
I do not know how this war will end, but it seems very likely that Russia will continue to slowly advance while bleeding men and equipment. Eventually it will reach a point when it can no longer advance due to the losses in men and equipment. The question is how far will Russia get before its losses prevent further advance.
Will Russia finally surround Kiev? Likely (but do they have enough to storm the well armed city of 3 million - doubtful). Take Kharkiv? Likely. The city is only 40 km from the border and after 2 weeks and heavy losses Russia has finally managed to just surround it. I'm not sure how long it can hold out. Take Zaporizhia and then Dnipro? Maybe. Odessa too? Maybe, but that's another large well-armed city. I don't pretend to know how much Russia will grab but I know it will be harder and take longer than Russian fanboys think it will. Russia is now making concessions in its peace offerings so it recognizes that things aren't going as well for it as had been expected at the beginning.
Overall, I do expect that Russia will take a lot more than it has now, but I doubt it will be able to take the entire country. And then there will be insurgency. More bleeding.Replies: @Wokechoke
Missile strikes began March 19th. Army rolled in March 22nd.
My March 27th, the Americans had established control over Nasiriyah (population 500,000 at the time). That's after only 8 days.
After 13 days, the largest city the Russians control is Kherson (population 300,000).
American + Brits lost only 200 troops during the entire Iraq invasion.
Russians already have lost at least 1,000 by Russian estimates (they estimated 500 a few days ago), most likely 2,000 or so. So far, according to UN estimates, Russians have killed about 500 Ukrainian civilians yesterday.
Entire Iraq invasion had 3,200 to 7,000 civilian deaths so Russia is on track to kill as many Ukrainian civilians as the low estimate of Iraqi civilian deaths.
So Russians are killing about as many civilians in Ukraine as Americans did in Iraq, but are losing an order of magnitude more soldiers while gaining population centers more slowly. And they are managing to do this not on another continent but right next door to their homeland. What a senseless debacle.Replies: @Wokechoke
The Ukrainians are not Arabs.
This Jane’s map, full viewing of sources and verification requires an account. But the map astonishingly suggests a column of Russians has reached the Dneiper by bypassing Poltava. Not like anything can get over those bridges without missiles and bombs landing on them at either side of the bridges. The Dneiper is a fearsome choke point all of its own, would like to see shots of the wrecked stuff that tried to cross.
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/ukraine-crisis
The weaklings get weeded out by history, while the truly Great Men make their own fortune.Replies: @HenryBaker, @silviosilver, @Aedib
It would be interesting to read your description of the economic conditions in Russia after that USA launched all its “economic nuclear ICBMs”. They launched their entire arsenal. What is happening and what do you expect to happen?
I think many readers share my curiosity about this sensitive issue.
It just became a lot harder to buy a car or some other Western product but if you don’t happen to be in need of one at the moment this isn’t a problem. Restaurants etc. still function, rubles are worth less but so what? Russian credit cards still work in Russia. Overall life hasn’t changed. I expect it would take weeks if not months for the bank-related and other problems to filter down and result in problems for regular people.
A Russian friend in the USA was screwed though: had inherited an apartment in a large Russian city, hasn’t had time to sell it when the war started. Would have gotten a couple $100k for it but now the ruble became worthless and money can’t be taken out of the country.Replies: @silviosilver, @mal
Ironically, I would have been better served by relying on my own CMP (2020): https://www.unz.com/akarlin/cmp-2021/
Russia/USSR: 32.8
Ukraine: 4.0
Still no real chance for Ukraine with ~70% of Russian military power concentrated against it.
For comparison, in 1991:
United States: 92.2
Iraq: 2.1
So it went much more quickly and more smoothly.
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Nonetheless, while I might have been temporarily humiliated, it is Russia whose final victory is all but assured.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123, @Twinkie
Have you seen Gonzo Lira’s report in the Unz newslinks section today? He lives in Khirkov but only has second hand sources as he is Chilean and does not speak or read Russian or Ukrainian.
1. he says the Russian report that they have document proof Americans were operating biological weapons facilities is solid.
2. he says the Russian report that they have document proof that major Ukraine army incursion into Donbas was imminent on Feb 22 is solid.
3. he says the civilian safe passage corridor strategy is something they hashed out in Syria and that the great tactical result is it makes it trivial for uncommitted enemy soldiers to readily desert their post.
I am on the other side of the planet and I have no idea how authentic these claims are but he is presenting them at some risk to his own safety so I have very small doubt that he believes it.
Strike hard
No mercy
- Kobra KaiReplies: @songbird, @Aedib
Russians suffered losses due to the order of behaving with mercy. That was an error. May be, from a strict military point of view, they should have conducted the operation on “Berserker mode” from the start. In fact they are still not operating in such a mode.
Denninger thinks Russia has already won!
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245363
Speaking of shock and disbelief, the international faith in Washington which was already in decline seems in free fall now. Things can rot on the inside for a long time before it’s apparent on the outside and the tree dies quickly.
Regardless of the final calculus in Ukraine the world is feeling a lot more multi-polar these days. Even Europe seems intent to chart it’s own course to a greater extent.
I don't in general read Ron's pieces because they are so goofy, but that sounds about right and very entertaining - I will have to check that out. .
Wow, well that's a fascinating idea.
There are so many ways to wage war - some of the most subtle can be the most successful.
For the "Slave empire" to actually take over the West from within rather than stupidly confronting it's power - is such subtlety even possible in our blunt, stupid, and crass age?
It would be like Christianity taking over the Roman Empire from within - precisely through a process of refusing to fight it.
Are Slavs approaching their moment in history when they can become a "world historical" people - the moment when they push the engine of history forward?
All peoples more or less get this moment.
Probably not quite yet - but maybe soon. The strength and fervor of the Ukrainian resistance is something deeply interesting and suggestive. Russia in it's current iteration seems played out - only more of the old.
I don't know...
The times are becoming interesting.Replies: @Barbarossa, @Justvisiting
Well done sir…Well done.
The truly great things in history don't get accomplished through sheer violence, but quietly.
Alexander the Greats conquests dissolved a generation or two after his death, the Athenian Empire barely lasted a generation or so...
The Roman Empire only lasted as long as it did because it provided a long term moral vision, peace and security, like the American Empire (although both in the end were evil).
Christianity, the "loser" philosophy, lasted two thousand years and is still with us, and ruled the fates of kingdoms...
Unprincipled violence makes a splash in the short term but never has long term staying power...
But they never understand this, the short sighted men of power...
I don't know how this Russian adventure will end, but it will not end in long term glory as Karlin expects.Replies: @Wokechoke
I think many readers share my curiosity about this sensitive issue.Replies: @AP
According to relatives in Moscow there is no noticeable difference so far.
It just became a lot harder to buy a car or some other Western product but if you don’t happen to be in need of one at the moment this isn’t a problem. Restaurants etc. still function, rubles are worth less but so what? Russian credit cards still work in Russia. Overall life hasn’t changed. I expect it would take weeks if not months for the bank-related and other problems to filter down and result in problems for regular people.
A Russian friend in the USA was screwed though: had inherited an apartment in a large Russian city, hasn’t had time to sell it when the war started. Would have gotten a couple $100k for it but now the ruble became worthless and money can’t be taken out of the country.
My biggest concern (and so is my family's) is the "O-ring economy". Basically little things like spare parts and key ingredients. A lot of this is made in China and won't be a problem, true, but some key items may be very hard to get. This is a much bigger deal than it seems at first glance because you can have 99.999% of machinery built and ready to go, but without a key microchip it will be completely useless.
Again, this is not the end of the world, but it will take a couple of years for Russia to source those components which is why I see a serious recession risk, beyond silly GDP numbers. Disruptions will be temporary, but severe.
And on my end in the Gulf Coast, European industry is done for. We used to receive ships from Europe for resale in the US to augment our own production. Not anymore. Energy costs are so high, Europe is struggling to stay competitive. They are hedged for now, but can't throttle production on demand, and when the hedges end... I just tell Europeans to move to the Gulf Coast permanently - we have energy to run. And i think that's what's going to happen - EU will de-industrialize and move production to the US. Making America Great Again.
Not saying US industry doesn't have its own problems, but compared to EU, we are cruising.
Pretty tragic, when you put it in its local context of what happened to California. Yeah, as if that would have happened in LA, in 1984! Equivalent of Jussie Smollet's accusation. And, of course, in the remake, Daniel was replaced with a black. But, then again, maybe there was a hidden message in him being Italian. LOL.Replies: @silviosilver, @LondonBob
Karate Kid could well be my favorite ever movie. I’ve lost count of how times I’ve seen it. The bottles on the truck scene, I only noticed the gratuitous anti-racism message aspect of it as an adult. Also, virtually all the bad guys are a blond.
But that’s small potatoes compared to the crap Hollywood pulls in other movies. My main complaint about Karate Kid is the plot near the beginning. Daniel’s cool and fun, the sort of guy who’d make friends easily. Indeed, he gets invited to a beach party right away. And when he’s there he takes part in the soccer game (apparently doing well), he not only accepts the challenge to approach the babe but wins her over, and then he stands up for her when her ex is giving her a hard time.
So he loses a fight with Mr Karate Champ, big deal. At least he was man enough to fight (not only threw a punch, but connected). No shame in that. Yet somehow, everyone there immediately starts treating him as some massive loser whom it’d be insulting to be to associated with. That doesn’t even begin to make sense, not even by high school logic.
I never watched the remake with the black kid. But I watched five or six episodes into the Kobra Kai tv series, which was better than I expected it to be. I should actually finish watching that.
Movie had one of my favorite, optimistic theme songs of any movie from the '80s. Joe Esposito - You're The Best Around. (It's right up there with some of the Rocky songs, IMO). Never saw the show, but I know several people who like it.
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Wonder where Zelenksy will set up shop, assuming he hasn't already. My money is on the UK.Replies: @silviosilver
https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1501105907316449282?s=20&t=nqIVd17FURHFtFC4vYBJWA
It just became a lot harder to buy a car or some other Western product but if you don’t happen to be in need of one at the moment this isn’t a problem. Restaurants etc. still function, rubles are worth less but so what? Russian credit cards still work in Russia. Overall life hasn’t changed. I expect it would take weeks if not months for the bank-related and other problems to filter down and result in problems for regular people.
A Russian friend in the USA was screwed though: had inherited an apartment in a large Russian city, hasn’t had time to sell it when the war started. Would have gotten a couple $100k for it but now the ruble became worthless and money can’t be taken out of the country.Replies: @silviosilver, @mal
Re utu’s ethnicity, from the other open thread.
Ok, I see where you’re coming from, but I think I’d need better evidence than that to feel so confident, given the enormous disparity in base rates (there are way more Poles and Czechs than Silesians).
It just became a lot harder to buy a car or some other Western product but if you don’t happen to be in need of one at the moment this isn’t a problem. Restaurants etc. still function, rubles are worth less but so what? Russian credit cards still work in Russia. Overall life hasn’t changed. I expect it would take weeks if not months for the bank-related and other problems to filter down and result in problems for regular people.
A Russian friend in the USA was screwed though: had inherited an apartment in a large Russian city, hasn’t had time to sell it when the war started. Would have gotten a couple $100k for it but now the ruble became worthless and money can’t be taken out of the country.Replies: @silviosilver, @mal
I’m not worried about that. My family in Russia got savings accounts that pay 20% (short term though) and with MIR-UnionPay deal I don’t think there will be major banking problems in Russia. Nabiullina is top class. She saved Russia before, she will do it again.
My biggest concern (and so is my family’s) is the “O-ring economy”. Basically little things like spare parts and key ingredients. A lot of this is made in China and won’t be a problem, true, but some key items may be very hard to get. This is a much bigger deal than it seems at first glance because you can have 99.999% of machinery built and ready to go, but without a key microchip it will be completely useless.
Again, this is not the end of the world, but it will take a couple of years for Russia to source those components which is why I see a serious recession risk, beyond silly GDP numbers. Disruptions will be temporary, but severe.
And on my end in the Gulf Coast, European industry is done for. We used to receive ships from Europe for resale in the US to augment our own production. Not anymore. Energy costs are so high, Europe is struggling to stay competitive. They are hedged for now, but can’t throttle production on demand, and when the hedges end… I just tell Europeans to move to the Gulf Coast permanently – we have energy to run. And i think that’s what’s going to happen – EU will de-industrialize and move production to the US. Making America Great Again.
Not saying US industry doesn’t have its own problems, but compared to EU, we are cruising.
Good point about the fight.
Movie had one of my favorite, optimistic theme songs of any movie from the ’80s. Joe Esposito – You’re The Best Around. (It’s right up there with some of the Rocky songs, IMO). Never saw the show, but I know several people who like it.
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Wonder where Zelenksy will set up shop, assuming he hasn’t already. My money is on the UK.
Probably the two famous people/characters I've most often been told I look like are Daniel LaRusso (ie the Karate Kid) and Danny Zuko (Travolta in Grease). I can see the likeness with Daniel, but I don't think I look like Travolta at all, not even in that movie. I think it's just the slick greasy hair I've been known to sport, combined with my penchant for wearing black leather jackets that forms the association for people. Oh and Fonzie from Happy Days too, but again it's more the jacket than actually looking like him.Replies: @songbird
Have the Russian taken Odessa or Mikolaiv yet? No, they haven’t. So the Russians haven’t taken the coast.
Is Ukraine’s air force gone? No. US DOD claims most of it is still operable and Russia claims the first and second class pilots have been killed but admits that it is still capable of single attempts to sorties by combat aircraft.
Is Kiev surrounded? No. The southern approach is still free. The city is still getting resupplied. It may get surrounded in another couple of days, but it certainly is not surrounded now.
Ironically, I would have been better served by relying on my own CMP (2020): https://www.unz.com/akarlin/cmp-2021/
Russia/USSR: 32.8
Ukraine: 4.0
Still no real chance for Ukraine with ~70% of Russian military power concentrated against it.
For comparison, in 1991:
United States: 92.2
Iraq: 2.1
So it went much more quickly and more smoothly.
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Nonetheless, while I might have been temporarily humiliated, it is Russia whose final victory is all but assured.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123, @Twinkie
I largely concur.
Russia can grind out a War Win via their logistics & material advantage over Ukraine. What strategy will Russia use? Especially for dense urban areas, such as Kiev:
-A- Infantry led approach would incur high casualties.
-B- Extensive artillery use before the infantry goes in would devastate infrastructure.
-C- Surround & besiege without entering. This could tie up huge #’s of troops for an extended period of time.
It would appear that Putin is thinking long term. He wants to Win The Peace. All of the options (A, B, & C) are unappealing choices. The best way forward is:
-D- Negotiating a deal that ends the offensive.
Both sides need to pull back from their initial demands. Admittedly, that is an easy phrase for an outsider like myself to write. Much harder for the participants.
Zelensky’s less than friendly words about about NATO (1) is a first step, though a small one, towards the Russian position. Russian needs to make a roughly similar magnitude, symbolic gesture to keep the ball rolling and build up some good will.
If forced to put numbers on it, I would guess a 50%/50% split on the negotiations working. However, I concede that may be overly optimistic on my part.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/here-are-all-latest-news-and-developments-ukraine-war-march-8
Not in every place where Russian vehicles have been destroyed have the Russians maintained a permanent presence. At the moment the Russians have stable forces to the NW, W and E but not to the south. The Russian forces around the city are still about 20 km or more away, and there is a large area to the south that remains open. A lot of Kiev is still quiet. The city is getting resupplied, with food weapons and volunteers.
The point is that there is still a large clear area to the south; Kiev isn’t bottled up yet.
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Overall, this was involves two things:
1. Russia is losing large numbers of men and equipment. These are not really getting resupplied (about 75% of Russia’s usable military is already in Ukraine; we see junk being sent from the Far East, Russia is scraping the bottom of the barrel).
2. Ukraine is also losing men and equipment but at a lower rate after the first couple days, and Ukraine is getting largescale resupplies of both (reserves and territorial defenses and volunteers from abroad keep coming, as do arms shipments of first class weapons)
3. Russia continues to advance steadily but slowly.
I do not know how this war will end, but it seems very likely that Russia will continue to slowly advance while bleeding men and equipment. Eventually it will reach a point when it can no longer advance due to the losses in men and equipment. The question is how far will Russia get before its losses prevent further advance.
Will Russia finally surround Kiev? Likely (but do they have enough to storm the well armed city of 3 million – doubtful). Take Kharkiv? Likely. The city is only 40 km from the border and after 2 weeks and heavy losses Russia has finally managed to just surround it. I’m not sure how long it can hold out. Take Zaporizhia and then Dnipro? Maybe. Odessa too? Maybe, but that’s another large well-armed city. I don’t pretend to know how much Russia will grab but I know it will be harder and take longer than Russian fanboys think it will. Russia is now making concessions in its peace offerings so it recognizes that things aren’t going as well for it as had been expected at the beginning.
Overall, I do expect that Russia will take a lot more than it has now, but I doubt it will be able to take the entire country. And then there will be insurgency. More bleeding.
Inadvertently the Ukrainian boasts about knocking out tanks here and there indicates the actual positions of the Russian advances. It’s easy enough to track live Russian positions by looking at specific hamlets Ukrainians tweet from and cross checking that on the Google map. Janes also have a map which is proprietary. But that shows Kremenchuk bridge in the Center of Ukraine under attack by the land units of the Russians. It’s hard to believe but it’s also possible given their reckless abandon in comparison to a casualty conscious British or American Army.Replies: @AP
He knows enough about Poles, Czechs and Slovaks (not just historical facts, but he captures their spirit) that he must be a Slav from this region.; and he seems less critical of Poles than of the others. He also shows a sympathy for Germans that is rare among members of all three nations. So he must be a Silesian (the only pro-German Slavic group in that area), or if not that – a southern Pole with a German grandparent.
When I first heard the Russian claims a few days ago that America had been funding biowarfare labs in Ukraine, I was pretty skeptical. It seemed like typical “black propaganda” produced in wartime and forged documents in a foreign language aren’t easy to check.
But as some of you have probably heard, Victoria Nuland seems to have admitted it’s all true in her Congressional testimony. Glenn Greenwald had an excellent column this morning and Tucker Carlson just did a great segment:
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/victoria-nuland-ukraine-has-biological
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I’d say it was an extremely reckless and foolish thing for the American government to have funded the creation of bioweapons facilities controlled by an extremely hostile country bordering Russia.
And it seems to me that countries which do some extremely reckless and foolish things are much more likely to have done other extremely reckless and foolish things in the past, perhaps including things that resulted in the deaths of around a million Americans over the last couple of years:
https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/
Russia launched a small number of missile strikes on military objects before going up against a 95 IQ military, and yet that regardless, its rate of advance has been comparable. (In retrospect, there certainly wasn't near enough shock and awe at the beginning, naive and humane Russians underestimated the degree to which Ukrainians had been brainwashed into their Banderist cult).Replies: @Veteran of the Memic Wars, @AP, @Twinkie
Maybe. But what remained of Iraq’s air defense system was eliminated in the first week (not that there was much left after the first Gulf War) and the Iraqi command structure pretty much evaporated overnight (partly because the Iraqis weren’t planning to fight conventionally in the second go, having watched our plight in Somalia compared to their own utter destruction in Desert Storm).
In any case, you know what’s not comparable? The respective casualty rates.
That sounds suspiciously like a back-handed acknowledgement of the grit and courage of the Ukrainians. Morale seems to matter after all, no? 😉
Are you selling the rest of us something or are you trying to convince yourself?
Mr. Karlin, I thought you were an open-eyed, cold-calculating realist. This kind of a sloganeering is more Baghdad Bob than a sober analyst. You disappoint me.
Movie had one of my favorite, optimistic theme songs of any movie from the '80s. Joe Esposito - You're The Best Around. (It's right up there with some of the Rocky songs, IMO). Never saw the show, but I know several people who like it.
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Wonder where Zelenksy will set up shop, assuming he hasn't already. My money is on the UK.Replies: @silviosilver
I was actually going to mention that kickass song, but I forgot. It’s been a favorite workout song of mine (and just generally too) for years now. There’s another song that sounds kickass, just as the Kobra Kai approach the beach on their motorbikes near the start, but only the part that’s played in the movie sounds any good; the song as a whole (“Ride” – by Matches) is crap. What do you mean by “never saw the show”?
Probably the two famous people/characters I’ve most often been told I look like are Daniel LaRusso (ie the Karate Kid) and Danny Zuko (Travolta in Grease). I can see the likeness with Daniel, but I don’t think I look like Travolta at all, not even in that movie. I think it’s just the slick greasy hair I’ve been known to sport, combined with my penchant for wearing black leather jackets that forms the association for people. Oh and Fonzie from Happy Days too, but again it’s more the jacket than actually looking like him.
Another optimistic '80s movie song I like is "Never Say Die" by King Cobra for the movie Iron Eagle, which probably should be considered like Delta Force, an Israeli propaganda film intended to make young American's aggressive toward Arabs.
When I was around 8 or 9, I remember several people telling me I looked like JFK, which I find unsettling, as I think he was a weird-looking guy, and I don't understand how I could have looked like him as a boy. Later, in my teens, I think I was told I look like the drummer from U2, which I can't really see either. Fact is, I don't think I have a double anywhere in the world, unless I was secretly cloned.Replies: @silviosilver
Regardless of the final calculus in Ukraine the world is feeling a lot more multi-polar these days. Even Europe seems intent to chart it's own course to a greater extent.Replies: @iffen
It may turn out that we will always owe a debt to Ukrainians if this puts us on a saner geopolitical path and compels us to hang up our world policeman’s badge.
Your reasoning is sound enough, but assigning a 90% subjective probability to it? You’re a braver man than I.
I don’t do predictions, because only fools, crazies, or people selling something offer up predictions. The fact is no one can predict the future (one might get lucky once or twice), and everyone is just guessing. Some guesses are more educated than others, but they are still speculations.
That goes double for any kind of combat, where there are opposing wills. Recently another commenter asked for my opinion of what would happen in a particular MMA fight, and I answered similarly. There are just too many unpredictable variables in war, as in a person-to-person fight. In the latter, there is a saying, “So-and-so is totally going to win this fight… unless he slips on a banana peel or something.” Well, the world is full of banana peels. So I only offered up what I saw as strengths and weaknesses of each fighter.
I don’t have anything original to add about the current Russo-Ukrainian conflict, but I will just make a few personal comments and observations:
1. I was surprised that the Russian air force has not achieved a total control of the air and has not provided a completely dominant overwatch and close air support. I read a number of different theories as to why, but the most plausible explanations (at least to me) seem to be that a) Russian air crews are not well-trained, certainly not on par with the best of Western air forces and are not proficient in mounting high-complexity joint air operations with a lot of aircraft and coordinating ground elements and b) the Russians don’t appear to have a large stockpile of precision-guided munitions, with which to launch highly precise attacks on the ground. In absence of those, launching night attacks (to avoid MANPADs) with dumb bombs is bound to be inaccurate and ineffective – and much more likely incur collateral damage.
2. I was also surprised with how easily some Russian armored vehicle columns were ambushed by the Ukrainians in the early part of the war. As a number of observers pointed out, Russian ground forces – here and there – seemed not to operate well as combined arms teams, with armor, infantry, and artillery mutually supporting and covering for each other in advances. That’s something one expects of poorly-trained and -motivated conscripts. Given the increasing professionalization of the Russian army in the past decade, I expected a much greater facility in combined arms operations especially at the small scale, tactical level.
3. As well, I found the Ukrainian resistance to be unexpectedly fierce so far. I generally have a pretty dim view of the training level, morale, and effectiveness of armed forces personnel below the first-tier military nations, so I thought the Ukrainians would crumble rather quickly. I think their unexpectedly better resistance forced a re-evaluation and re-thinking on the part of the Western nations, that likely would have written off the conquest of Ukraine, albeit with a lot of verbal furor, denunciations, and recriminations. I certainly did not expect the former comedian president of Ukraine to be so inspirational to his countrymen.
4. All this said, I think the conventional war is still Russia’s to lose. The fact remains that there is a huge manpower and materiel disparity between the two forces in Russia’s favor. I would think a more salient question wouldn’t be so much about whether Russia will or will not win, but how much losses and suffering Russia is willing to incur and to inflict in order to achieve the said victory. For that matter, while Ukrainian morale seems to holding up well so far, formal resistance could collapse quickly if the Ukrainian national command authority were to be captured or killed. These are intangibles that cannot be measured or predicted.
5. Of course, that then begs the question: even if Russia were to win (which is not in any way guaranteed), what will a Russian occupation look like? Israeli military theorist Martin van Creveld once wrote that, in a post-modern world, when the strong fights the weak in a long war, the strong loses. Having failed to topple Ukraine in a lightning attack, Russia will have to use much more destructive means to achieve victory, which will only embitter the population it was supposed to “liberate,” even setting aside the enormous international opprobrium. Although hardly assured one way or another, the prospect of a Russian victory being Pyrrhic and the conquest of Ukraine being a poisoned pill cannot be dismissed easily.
6. Yet another question, which I am not in any way qualified answer, is the issue of domestic consensus in Russia. Putin is an undisputed authoritarian leader, but he is not a God-Emperor. Surely he is to a varying degree sensitive to the Russian “street” opinion and domestic legitimacy. As with the CCP in China, I think Putin derives much of that domestic legitimacy from the fact that his rule has coincided with the re-rise of Russia as a world player, not to forget the rise in living standards. I cannot even begin to predict how and to what extent Russia’s economy and standard of living will be affected by this war and how long the current domestic consensus (53% or something close to it supporting the war) would persist in the face of varying scenarios of negative outcomes (one shouldn’t forget the effect of the Afghan War on the Soviet Union, which turned out to be far more sensitive to losses of its young men than the supposedly more brittle American domestic morale in Vietnam).
I guess this is a rather longwinded version of “Things turned out differently than I thought, and I have no clue what’s going to happen next.” 😉
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSftft2sKS6IQCxFQKzks5e9_PxeIFbMxbQWQ&usqp.jpg
https://youtu.be/z0mNYcSqQnsReplies: @Blinky Bill
I came across a very true comment - Putin managed to do what Ukrainian nationalists had failed to do in 30 years - convince even Eastern Ukrainians that Bandera was correct about the Russians.Replies: @sudden death, @utu, @Anatoly Karlin, @Pharmakon, @Twinkie
Ironically, I would have been better served by relying on my own CMP (2020): https://www.unz.com/akarlin/cmp-2021/
Russia/USSR: 32.8
Ukraine: 4.0
Still no real chance for Ukraine with ~70% of Russian military power concentrated against it.
For comparison, in 1991:
United States: 92.2
Iraq: 2.1
So it went much more quickly and more smoothly.
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Nonetheless, while I might have been temporarily humiliated, it is Russia whose final victory is all but assured.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123, @Twinkie
What were the comparative numbers in 2003 (or 2011)?
And how smoothly do you think OIF went in the end?
Numbers matter, but there are many intangible elements in war. A lot of banana peels. We Americans learned that the hard way more than once. It appears the Russians need to learn it more than once too.
That sounds more sober than before. Here is a more interesting use of your intellect, instead of bombastic Russian neo-imperialist slogans: what plausible conditions do you think would lead to the “but” outcomes?
The fact that the US DoD has declined to accept the donation of Polish MIG-29s suggests they know something that lots of Internet Tough Guys don’t.
The best lesson for China is to strike first and strike hard.
https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1498119654908309505Replies: @silviosilver, @Twinkie, @yakushimaru
And you think Mr. Sailer’s takes are “cartoonish”?
In what reality do you think China will actually strike “US military bases at Guam and Japan when invading Taiwan”? I can’t think of a worse strategy for China, which will, in a stroke, eliminate any anti-war, pro-China business lobby in the U.S., hugely inflame both American and Japanese populations and likely draw all American Pacific allies into a larger regional war against China, even if China were able to occupy Taiwan quickly.
Do you get your ideas on international conflicts from video games?
I think this is a deeply wishful, and indeed “cartoonish,” thinking on your part as a Russian nationalist.
To be fair, this from Japan Times the other day, https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2022/03/07/commentary/japan-commentary/japan-china-unstable-relationship/
I've looked deeply into the Second Sino-Japanese War and take a nuanced view*, but an article about Sino-Japanese relationship that does not mention it at all, and simply refers to "end of World War II", is fairly material revisionism**.
From our own John Derbyshire: Even in US textbooks, the First Sino-Japanese War is usually characterized as the nascent move of Japanese imperialism culminating to invasion of China in 1937 and Pearl Harbor. Whereas now Derbs calls it "China surrendered Taiwan to Japan".
It was Karlin I believe, who suggested that in a decade or so, Western MSM will have fully whitewashed Nazi war crimes against USSR, and Japanese war crimes against China. The latter I'm pretty sure is well on its way.
You can imagine how inflammatory this whitewashing could be to PRC Chinese (the Taiwanese may not care so much). The CCP rather, I think has been restrained, from Global Times: Exclusive: Beijing 2022 a ‘catalyst’ for Japan-China friendship. Needless to say I hope it remains the case.
*It in fact have many parallels to the Russo-Ukrainian War in which the aggressor did not lack decent intentions and whose side should be heard; and which external parties, Soviets and the West, had significant roles.
**The author, Anami Usuke 阿南友亮 would have special appreciation for "end of World War II in August 1945" for it meant for him that his grandfather, War Minister Anami Korechika 阿南惟幾 followed the emperor's order to surrender, stopped the palace coup, and committed seppuku. So maybe there are complex reasons for his obfuscation.
That goes double for any kind of combat, where there are opposing wills. Recently another commenter asked for my opinion of what would happen in a particular MMA fight, and I answered similarly. There are just too many unpredictable variables in war, as in a person-to-person fight. In the latter, there is a saying, "So-and-so is totally going to win this fight... unless he slips on a banana peel or something." Well, the world is full of banana peels. So I only offered up what I saw as strengths and weaknesses of each fighter.
I don't have anything original to add about the current Russo-Ukrainian conflict, but I will just make a few personal comments and observations:
1. I was surprised that the Russian air force has not achieved a total control of the air and has not provided a completely dominant overwatch and close air support. I read a number of different theories as to why, but the most plausible explanations (at least to me) seem to be that a) Russian air crews are not well-trained, certainly not on par with the best of Western air forces and are not proficient in mounting high-complexity joint air operations with a lot of aircraft and coordinating ground elements and b) the Russians don't appear to have a large stockpile of precision-guided munitions, with which to launch highly precise attacks on the ground. In absence of those, launching night attacks (to avoid MANPADs) with dumb bombs is bound to be inaccurate and ineffective - and much more likely incur collateral damage.
2. I was also surprised with how easily some Russian armored vehicle columns were ambushed by the Ukrainians in the early part of the war. As a number of observers pointed out, Russian ground forces - here and there - seemed not to operate well as combined arms teams, with armor, infantry, and artillery mutually supporting and covering for each other in advances. That's something one expects of poorly-trained and -motivated conscripts. Given the increasing professionalization of the Russian army in the past decade, I expected a much greater facility in combined arms operations especially at the small scale, tactical level.
3. As well, I found the Ukrainian resistance to be unexpectedly fierce so far. I generally have a pretty dim view of the training level, morale, and effectiveness of armed forces personnel below the first-tier military nations, so I thought the Ukrainians would crumble rather quickly. I think their unexpectedly better resistance forced a re-evaluation and re-thinking on the part of the Western nations, that likely would have written off the conquest of Ukraine, albeit with a lot of verbal furor, denunciations, and recriminations. I certainly did not expect the former comedian president of Ukraine to be so inspirational to his countrymen.
4. All this said, I think the conventional war is still Russia's to lose. The fact remains that there is a huge manpower and materiel disparity between the two forces in Russia's favor. I would think a more salient question wouldn't be so much about whether Russia will or will not win, but how much losses and suffering Russia is willing to incur and to inflict in order to achieve the said victory. For that matter, while Ukrainian morale seems to holding up well so far, formal resistance could collapse quickly if the Ukrainian national command authority were to be captured or killed. These are intangibles that cannot be measured or predicted.
5. Of course, that then begs the question: even if Russia were to win (which is not in any way guaranteed), what will a Russian occupation look like? Israeli military theorist Martin van Creveld once wrote that, in a post-modern world, when the strong fights the weak in a long war, the strong loses. Having failed to topple Ukraine in a lightning attack, Russia will have to use much more destructive means to achieve victory, which will only embitter the population it was supposed to "liberate," even setting aside the enormous international opprobrium. Although hardly assured one way or another, the prospect of a Russian victory being Pyrrhic and the conquest of Ukraine being a poisoned pill cannot be dismissed easily.
6. Yet another question, which I am not in any way qualified answer, is the issue of domestic consensus in Russia. Putin is an undisputed authoritarian leader, but he is not a God-Emperor. Surely he is to a varying degree sensitive to the Russian "street" opinion and domestic legitimacy. As with the CCP in China, I think Putin derives much of that domestic legitimacy from the fact that his rule has coincided with the re-rise of Russia as a world player, not to forget the rise in living standards. I cannot even begin to predict how and to what extent Russia's economy and standard of living will be affected by this war and how long the current domestic consensus (53% or something close to it supporting the war) would persist in the face of varying scenarios of negative outcomes (one shouldn't forget the effect of the Afghan War on the Soviet Union, which turned out to be far more sensitive to losses of its young men than the supposedly more brittle American domestic morale in Vietnam).
I guess this is a rather longwinded version of "Things turned out differently than I thought, and I have no clue what's going to happen next." ;)Replies: @Blinky Bill, @AP
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https://youtu.be/z0mNYcSqQnsReplies: @Blinky Bill
February 8, 1861, to May 9, 1865 compared with December 1, 1991, to ????, 2022.
Pretty tragic, when you put it in its local context of what happened to California. Yeah, as if that would have happened in LA, in 1984! Equivalent of Jussie Smollet's accusation. And, of course, in the remake, Daniel was replaced with a black. But, then again, maybe there was a hidden message in him being Italian. LOL.Replies: @silviosilver, @LondonBob
Always thought Daniel was a thinly veiled East Coast Jew fighting the evil blind gentile country club kids.
The US had bribed the senior Iraqi commanders not to fight. They are such different wars, fought by different military doctrines and goals, I don’t think it is worth comparison.
I’ve been reading over your older articles, and it seems you got this right back in 2018 – https://www.unz.com/akarlin/ww3/
and most importantly
this assumed an advance from Russia proper – no Crimea, or Belarus. Given how long it took for Russia to get from its border to Kiev (about 7 days or so), this is not far off. To advance towards the Dniepr in the center, Russia probably would need to take Kharkiv (or at least its leadership thinks so), because otherwise logistics become untenable and my guess is it expected Kharkov to be declared an open city, which it almost was, until the ukies militarily occupied it.
Not sure if this is correct, as I’m not too well versed in military matters, but it seems to me that a major lesson of this war is that sieging cities is harder than expected – can’t say if the reports that Russians attempted to bypass Kharkiv is true or not, but if it is, that strongly adds to my argument
Overall, it seems that Russia is performing slightly above expectations, but not nearly as much as what you predicted directly before the war (or quite possibly even the general staff).But given how reserved the russian army is being, that’s honestly not that bad. Destruction of most of the Ukrainian army will probably take slightly more than 2 weeks after the couldron in Donbass is finished, then Kharkiv will fall, allowing Russia to occupy eastern Ukraine, along with a simultaneous push towards taking Odessa and then it seems that Ukraine will focus most of its defenses on Kiev, which will likely be besieged.
https://voxday.net/2022/03/01/ukraine-invasion-a-comparative-analysis/ – this post that estimated how long the occupation would take based on extrapolating the speed of advance up unitl 1.3. and their guess was 40 days
another interesting part of that article
I think you’re right about there being no real insurgency, though – perhaps except in parts of Galicia
For many people of color, nothing is more special than seeing someone on a TV show or in a movie that looks like them. For children, this representation in films is vital because it gives them hope.
The ultimate truth of the matter is that Russia is a relatively untalented/low human capital and utterly corrupt country – this part won’t change – with no real future. Incorporating part of the Ukraine in it won’t change that.
The future lies solely with China, the USA and the EU – the latter two if they ever decide to be realistic about some issues.
This is obvious and it’s what’s really bothering Karlin and leads him to jerk off over this war so hard with these comic book villain proclamations. It’s doubly hilarious that he supplements them with nonsense about the Russian humanitarian spirit that he doesn’t even believe himself.
China refused to supply spare parts for RF aviation needs:
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5250918
https://i.imgur.com/Ovy8Ab6.pngReplies: @Seraphim, @Wielgus
I thought Dmowski was an asshole (albeit post-1945 Poland is strangely similar to his vision in some respects) but this quote is quite insightful.
Is Ukraine's air force gone? No. US DOD claims most of it is still operable and Russia claims the first and second class pilots have been killed but admits that it is still capable of single attempts to sorties by combat aircraft.
Is Kiev surrounded? No. The southern approach is still free. The city is still getting resupplied. It may get surrounded in another couple of days, but it certainly is not surrounded now.Replies: @Rich
Odessa is blockaded by the sea. Kiev is surrounded, now, in the South, according to people on the ground in Ukraine, not in DC in the news room or at the White House propaganda office. From where are these Ukrainian jets taking off and where are they flying missions. I haven’t even heard that from the various Western propagandists. It’s soothing to believe the underdog is fighting hard and having success, and the Ukrainians are tough people, fighting hard, but they aren’t succeeding and from what I see, and I’m not there, I cold be wrong, it looks like the Russian military is steadily taking control of the country.
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Overall, this was involves two things:
1. Russia is losing large numbers of men and equipment. These are not really getting resupplied (about 75% of Russia's usable military is already in Ukraine; we see junk being sent from the Far East, Russia is scraping the bottom of the barrel).
2. Ukraine is also losing men and equipment but at a lower rate after the first couple days, and Ukraine is getting largescale resupplies of both (reserves and territorial defenses and volunteers from abroad keep coming, as do arms shipments of first class weapons)
3. Russia continues to advance steadily but slowly.
I do not know how this war will end, but it seems very likely that Russia will continue to slowly advance while bleeding men and equipment. Eventually it will reach a point when it can no longer advance due to the losses in men and equipment. The question is how far will Russia get before its losses prevent further advance.
Will Russia finally surround Kiev? Likely (but do they have enough to storm the well armed city of 3 million - doubtful). Take Kharkiv? Likely. The city is only 40 km from the border and after 2 weeks and heavy losses Russia has finally managed to just surround it. I'm not sure how long it can hold out. Take Zaporizhia and then Dnipro? Maybe. Odessa too? Maybe, but that's another large well-armed city. I don't pretend to know how much Russia will grab but I know it will be harder and take longer than Russian fanboys think it will. Russia is now making concessions in its peace offerings so it recognizes that things aren't going as well for it as had been expected at the beginning.
Overall, I do expect that Russia will take a lot more than it has now, but I doubt it will be able to take the entire country. And then there will be insurgency. More bleeding.Replies: @Wokechoke
A platoon or squadron of tanks cuts off incoming convoys of food ammo men medicine etc. Stable? Lol. Don’t beclown yourself. The point of tanks is to act as a disruptive element in the rear area of an enemy held position. An attacker doesn’t need to be the stable element. If the Russians are not taking approx 5% hits on their tanks they are not using them right.
Inadvertently the Ukrainian boasts about knocking out tanks here and there indicates the actual positions of the Russian advances. It’s easy enough to track live Russian positions by looking at specific hamlets Ukrainians tweet from and cross checking that on the Google map. Janes also have a map which is proprietary. But that shows Kremenchuk bridge in the Center of Ukraine under attack by the land units of the Russians. It’s hard to believe but it’s also possible given their reckless abandon in comparison to a casualty conscious British or American Army.
Here is where the Russians were earlier today:
https://i.imgur.com/UqBPudc.jpg
As you can see, the city was far from surrounded.
I spoke to my cousin who lives in the city. Her grocery store was full today, she bought some meat, bread and even pet food. So yes, things are going into the city, there is not yet a siege. Soldiers are also coming in. Her neighborhood is quiet, though just in case she sleeps in the corridor, away from windows.
OTOH Bucha (a NW suburb) where I also have cousins is a nightmare. Most got out after the early battles but there is one couple there being used as human shields by the Russians. We lost touch for a few days but were able to make contact yesterday. No safe way out. It is a nightmare. Any further evidence of this supposed land attack? This supposedly happened March 7 and then not a trace of this attack upon the Kremenchuk bridge. Looks like it did not occur.Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry
Odessa is surrounded. Transnistria constitutes a Western facing blocking force. There’s a route out of Odessa but anything doing in can be bombed along the one remaining road and I’d guess the Russians have recon forces on that road anyway.
Not sure if this is correct, as I'm not too well versed in military matters, but it seems to me that a major lesson of this war is that sieging cities is harder than expected - can't say if the reports that Russians attempted to bypass Kharkiv is true or not, but if it is, that strongly adds to my argument
Overall, it seems that Russia is performing slightly above expectations, but not nearly as much as what you predicted directly before the war (or quite possibly even the general staff).But given how reserved the russian army is being, that's honestly not that bad. Destruction of most of the Ukrainian army will probably take slightly more than 2 weeks after the couldron in Donbass is finished, then Kharkiv will fall, allowing Russia to occupy eastern Ukraine, along with a simultaneous push towards taking Odessa and then it seems that Ukraine will focus most of its defenses on Kiev, which will likely be besieged.
https://voxday.net/2022/03/01/ukraine-invasion-a-comparative-analysis/ - this post that estimated how long the occupation would take based on extrapolating the speed of advance up unitl 1.3. and their guess was 40 days
another interesting part of that article I think you're right about there being no real insurgency, though - perhaps except in parts of GaliciaReplies: @Wokechoke
In the old days Kharkov would have been erased by artillery. To encourage the others.
But as some of you have probably heard, Victoria Nuland seems to have admitted it's all true in her Congressional testimony. Glenn Greenwald had an excellent column this morning and Tucker Carlson just did a great segment:
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/victoria-nuland-ukraine-has-biological
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AugzqXPYaOc
I'd say it was an extremely reckless and foolish thing for the American government to have funded the creation of bioweapons facilities controlled by an extremely hostile country bordering Russia.
And it seems to me that countries which do some extremely reckless and foolish things are much more likely to have done other extremely reckless and foolish things in the past, perhaps including things that resulted in the deaths of around a million Americans over the last couple of years:
https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
It’s a damn shame that Rand Paul didn’t have the data so he could ask Fauci about this when he had him there under oath. I imagine we might maybe never see Fauci ever again.
To be great, one needs to weed out a children’s hospital? Real valiant stuff Karlin…hope you derive great satisfaction from your “fortune”. 🙁
So, yet another Banderist gayop.
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/366337610
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1501603247785717767
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1501747514420117513Replies: @Mr. Hack
Karlin forgets to mention that the Dmowskites were successfully refuted by the Pilsudskyites. Underneath his Polish/Russian posturing, he always maintained that the Russians were lowly and part of an inferior culture. Well, at least he got something right.
If we knew answers to these questions a lot about Ukraine's near future would become clear.Replies: @Seraphim, @Reactive Reaction
“Speaking of Ukrainian oligarchs, I wonder what they are doing. Are they making deals right now? What kind? With whom?”
The trouble with Israel, from the oligarch POV, is that they could wind up with a shitty apartment surrounded by Haredim and no dock space for the yacht. And Florida is overbuilt.
Half of Mariupol have been cleansed and is free of Azovites. Donetsk forces using MLRS to hunt down Azovites retreating. I think this is the beginning of the end of this infamous battalion.
Ukrainians are claiming some progress outside Kharkiv:
https://twitter.com/unsalorcun82/status/1501683326729527299?s=21Replies: @Wokechoke
Thanks.
The truly great things in history don’t get accomplished through sheer violence, but quietly.
Alexander the Greats conquests dissolved a generation or two after his death, the Athenian Empire barely lasted a generation or so…
The Roman Empire only lasted as long as it did because it provided a long term moral vision, peace and security, like the American Empire (although both in the end were evil).
Christianity, the “loser” philosophy, lasted two thousand years and is still with us, and ruled the fates of kingdoms…
Unprincipled violence makes a splash in the short term but never has long term staying power…
But they never understand this, the short sighted men of power…
I don’t know how this Russian adventure will end, but it will not end in long term glory as Karlin expects.
To be great, one needs to weed out a children's hospital? Real valiant stuff Karlin...hope you derive great satisfaction from your "fortune". :-(Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
Hospital that was occupied by Azov for 3 days beforehand, having dispersed the hospital staff and patients.
So, yet another Banderist gayop.
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/366337610
So, yet another Banderist gayop.
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/366337610
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1501603247785717767
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1501747514420117513Replies: @Mr. Hack
Yet, more Russian fake news:
“Russia claims without evidence that the maternity hospital it bombed — which killed a child — was a Ukrainian militia base”
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-says-mariupol-maternity-hospital-militia-base-no-evidence-2022-3
In any case, at the time of the bombing, were any Azov members inside of the hospital?
I am aganostic on the bioweapons. There were 11 sites in Soviet times. The US started to pay to have the stockpiles destroyed in 2005. Some may have been missed, deliberately hidden by Ukrainians. Pharam testing is a big indutry in Ukraine. So some of the labs are still active in pharma.
No way does Ukraine make chemical weapons with ammonia. Russia does. The ammonia plant is in Samara. It is the world's biggest. There was a pipeline to Odessa (maybe Mariupol, I forget) where there was a urea (fertilizer) factory. That was closed in 2014 post war. A new pipeline was built to a place near Taganarog. Ammonia is very energy intensive to make. Ukraine could not make industrial quantities. They couldn't afford the energy. A chemical weapon based on ammonia will be Russian whatever the propaganda claims.Replies: @Mr. Hack
I’ve looked over the photographs of the Pregnant woman, what was she doing in the maternity hospital overnight? Why is she an internet influencer? Why did they let her climb down the stairs? Then change her clothes and carry her in a stretcher over a shell crater? when there’s a perfectly good parking lot outside the building on the other side full of SUV bristling with plate carrying clad men with carbines? Why was the hospital trying to function when it’s filthy from weeks of neglect and has no visible staff to carry out care? I saw no nurses or doctors or administration staff in any of the images. Was she there for a routine late term check up or in labor?
Surely, you're not doubting or denying the wholesale bombing of civilian apartment buildings, houses, churches, medical centers, businesses that have been occurring right from the very beginning of this disastrous war?Replies: @Wokechoke, @Veteran of the Memic Wars
I don’t have any answers to you questions, however, I fail to understand why a hospital should even be considered as a legitimate object of bombardments? It seems like just pat and parcel of terror being unleashed by Russian troops against Ukrainian civilian structures.
Surely, you’re not doubting or denying the wholesale bombing of civilian apartment buildings, houses, churches, medical centers, businesses that have been occurring right from the very beginning of this disastrous war?
Surely, you're not doubting or denying the wholesale bombing of civilian apartment buildings, houses, churches, medical centers, businesses that have been occurring right from the very beginning of this disastrous war?Replies: @Wokechoke, @Veteran of the Memic Wars
I fully expect there to be a massacre in Maruipol though. The hospital according to the Maps available is on the outer north north east suburb of the city. That suburb is on the north bank of a river. A little bit like Irpin in on the Kiev front where that bridge was blown up by retreating Ukrainians. It’s probably the exact area that the Russians will assault once the bombardment stops.
The immediate area around the hospital ought to emptied out of non combatants. Yes, the Russians are sending a warning for people to get out of that area before tanks arrive.
Maybe the city ought to surrender now?
The truly great things in history don't get accomplished through sheer violence, but quietly.
Alexander the Greats conquests dissolved a generation or two after his death, the Athenian Empire barely lasted a generation or so...
The Roman Empire only lasted as long as it did because it provided a long term moral vision, peace and security, like the American Empire (although both in the end were evil).
Christianity, the "loser" philosophy, lasted two thousand years and is still with us, and ruled the fates of kingdoms...
Unprincipled violence makes a splash in the short term but never has long term staying power...
But they never understand this, the short sighted men of power...
I don't know how this Russian adventure will end, but it will not end in long term glory as Karlin expects.Replies: @Wokechoke
Alexander set up several kingdoms for his generals. The Roman Empire can be understood as a post hellenistic successor to the Diadochi. Although they came up with the idea of a Respublica and a war machine to back it. The Greeks provided the material culture and literacy. Remember the Gospel was actually written in Greek. That’s eternity right there.
https://www.amazon.com/Gospels-Modern-Library-Sarah-Ruden/dp/0399592946
Admittedly, the whole thing was just a boyish adventure, a lark, and regarded in that light it's not so bad.
But what was truly enduring about Greece was not it's military or political might but as you note, it's culture, it's language, etc.
And so it always is. Physical power never counts for much in the long run, but that's a lesson that has to be relearned again and again.
Certainly he didn't intend for 40-odd years of constant warfare as his generals carved up his conquests, exerminating the entire Makedonian royal family in the process.
But yes, Christianity is fundamentally a syncretistic faith, mixing Greek paganism and philosophy with Judaism, although the latter predominates. And of course, Rome would have had a much harder time pacifying and governing the East-Med had the region not been undergoing Hellenisation for centuries prior.
As for Aaron B's comment, despite its early spread, the idea Christianity (like any monotheistic religion) didn't owe much of its spread to extreme violence and persecution is pretty dim.Replies: @Wokechoke, @silviosilver
Have you read any of the new Sarah Rudin translation? She has a bunch of comments regarding the meaning of the original Greek words which they never taught me any thing like it in Sunday School.
Actually, I’ve seen ZERO evidence that Fauci had anything to do with the development of Covid let alone the Ukrainian biolabs. Lots of people are (very rightfully) angry at him for all sorts of other reasons, so he’s an ideal foil for them to attack, much like that Klaus Schwab fellow of the World Economic Forum.
Incidentally, I think that Victoria Nuland’s disastrous mistake in admitting the existence of those Ukrainian biolabs greatly strengthens the case I’ve been making that the global Covid outbreak was the result of an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), as I just pointed out in a short column:
https://www.unz.com/announcement/ukraine-and-biowarfare-conspiracy-theories/
Over the last two years, I’ve accumulated a massive amount of evidence in favor of my hypothesis and the only argument anyone has ever been able to make on the other side is that even rogue elements of the Trump Administration couldn’t possibly have done something so extremely reckless and foolish.
Well, the fact that they apparently set up deadly biowarfare labs right on Russia’s border also seems pretty reckless and foolish…
How old are the Ukrainian laboratories?
It is hard to imagine "new" facilities with "new" scientists. The idea that the U.S. would build a research facility adjacent to the Russian border, near Kharkiv, lacks plausibility.
One giant risk with closing "old" weapons development facilities relates to staff. Scientists & technicians have significant amounts of knowledge in their heads. There are huge risks if they are desperate for money and feel forced to sell that information to feed their families.
In U.S. budget terms, providing a stipend fund is cheap insurance. The scientists get to work on non-military projects and the potential threat of knowledge wandering off is averted. At least one of the "weapons labs" is an agricultural crop science research center.
PEACE 😇
Davos and the Purloined Letter Conspiracy; F. William Engdahl
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNhPYFTXEAAzKYL.jpgReplies: @Veteran of the Memic Wars
Sure, but Alexander did not exactly create a world spanning empire lasting ages.
Admittedly, the whole thing was just a boyish adventure, a lark, and regarded in that light it’s not so bad.
But what was truly enduring about Greece was not it’s military or political might but as you note, it’s culture, it’s language, etc.
And so it always is. Physical power never counts for much in the long run, but that’s a lesson that has to be relearned again and again.
Incidentally, I think that Victoria Nuland's disastrous mistake in admitting the existence of those Ukrainian biolabs greatly strengthens the case I've been making that the global Covid outbreak was the result of an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), as I just pointed out in a short column:
https://www.unz.com/announcement/ukraine-and-biowarfare-conspiracy-theories/
Over the last two years, I've accumulated a massive amount of evidence in favor of my hypothesis and the only argument anyone has ever been able to make on the other side is that even rogue elements of the Trump Administration couldn't possibly have done something so extremely reckless and foolish.
Well, the fact that they apparently set up deadly biowarfare labs right on Russia's border also seems pretty reckless and foolish...Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Blinky Bill
That broad is a fucking disaster zone. They didn’t expect the Russians to go all in like this. So many of these Congress critters have lost their retirement plans bacause of this invasion.
Incidentally, I think that Victoria Nuland's disastrous mistake in admitting the existence of those Ukrainian biolabs greatly strengthens the case I've been making that the global Covid outbreak was the result of an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), as I just pointed out in a short column:
https://www.unz.com/announcement/ukraine-and-biowarfare-conspiracy-theories/
Over the last two years, I've accumulated a massive amount of evidence in favor of my hypothesis and the only argument anyone has ever been able to make on the other side is that even rogue elements of the Trump Administration couldn't possibly have done something so extremely reckless and foolish.
Well, the fact that they apparently set up deadly biowarfare labs right on Russia's border also seems pretty reckless and foolish...Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Blinky Bill
Mr. Unz,
How old are the Ukrainian laboratories?
It is hard to imagine “new” facilities with “new” scientists. The idea that the U.S. would build a research facility adjacent to the Russian border, near Kharkiv, lacks plausibility.
One giant risk with closing “old” weapons development facilities relates to staff. Scientists & technicians have significant amounts of knowledge in their heads. There are huge risks if they are desperate for money and feel forced to sell that information to feed their families.
In U.S. budget terms, providing a stipend fund is cheap insurance. The scientists get to work on non-military projects and the potential threat of knowledge wandering off is averted. At least one of the “weapons labs” is an agricultural crop science research center.
PEACE 😇
I don't in general read Ron's pieces because they are so goofy, but that sounds about right and very entertaining - I will have to check that out. .
Wow, well that's a fascinating idea.
There are so many ways to wage war - some of the most subtle can be the most successful.
For the "Slave empire" to actually take over the West from within rather than stupidly confronting it's power - is such subtlety even possible in our blunt, stupid, and crass age?
It would be like Christianity taking over the Roman Empire from within - precisely through a process of refusing to fight it.
Are Slavs approaching their moment in history when they can become a "world historical" people - the moment when they push the engine of history forward?
All peoples more or less get this moment.
Probably not quite yet - but maybe soon. The strength and fervor of the Ukrainian resistance is something deeply interesting and suggestive. Russia in it's current iteration seems played out - only more of the old.
I don't know...
The times are becoming interesting.Replies: @Barbarossa, @Justvisiting
I am grateful to Ron for two things:
–This website where we can seriously debate a variety of topics
–His amusing “resistance” to “crazy conspiracy theories”–They are all “crazy” until the magic moment when he finally believes them–one at a time. All it takes is a couple of “respectable” folks to “get it” and Ron is persuaded. That is a rather creative approach to epistemology.
😉
It turns out when she said “fuck the EU” she was more serious than she intended. She was just acting like a bad ass braggadocio and now look at them. : (
I have no love for Azovites or their Russian Nazi enemies. At this point however Azov is just a sideshow to the overall Ukrainian military effort, while the entire state of Russia is behaving like Germany or Italy in the late 1930s.
Ukrainians are claiming some progress outside Kharkiv:
Ukrainians are claiming some progress outside Kharkiv:
https://twitter.com/unsalorcun82/status/1501683326729527299?s=21Replies: @Wokechoke
Kharkov is surrounded. It should surrender before extermination.
Look at the train station n in Berlin.
That goes double for any kind of combat, where there are opposing wills. Recently another commenter asked for my opinion of what would happen in a particular MMA fight, and I answered similarly. There are just too many unpredictable variables in war, as in a person-to-person fight. In the latter, there is a saying, "So-and-so is totally going to win this fight... unless he slips on a banana peel or something." Well, the world is full of banana peels. So I only offered up what I saw as strengths and weaknesses of each fighter.
I don't have anything original to add about the current Russo-Ukrainian conflict, but I will just make a few personal comments and observations:
1. I was surprised that the Russian air force has not achieved a total control of the air and has not provided a completely dominant overwatch and close air support. I read a number of different theories as to why, but the most plausible explanations (at least to me) seem to be that a) Russian air crews are not well-trained, certainly not on par with the best of Western air forces and are not proficient in mounting high-complexity joint air operations with a lot of aircraft and coordinating ground elements and b) the Russians don't appear to have a large stockpile of precision-guided munitions, with which to launch highly precise attacks on the ground. In absence of those, launching night attacks (to avoid MANPADs) with dumb bombs is bound to be inaccurate and ineffective - and much more likely incur collateral damage.
2. I was also surprised with how easily some Russian armored vehicle columns were ambushed by the Ukrainians in the early part of the war. As a number of observers pointed out, Russian ground forces - here and there - seemed not to operate well as combined arms teams, with armor, infantry, and artillery mutually supporting and covering for each other in advances. That's something one expects of poorly-trained and -motivated conscripts. Given the increasing professionalization of the Russian army in the past decade, I expected a much greater facility in combined arms operations especially at the small scale, tactical level.
3. As well, I found the Ukrainian resistance to be unexpectedly fierce so far. I generally have a pretty dim view of the training level, morale, and effectiveness of armed forces personnel below the first-tier military nations, so I thought the Ukrainians would crumble rather quickly. I think their unexpectedly better resistance forced a re-evaluation and re-thinking on the part of the Western nations, that likely would have written off the conquest of Ukraine, albeit with a lot of verbal furor, denunciations, and recriminations. I certainly did not expect the former comedian president of Ukraine to be so inspirational to his countrymen.
4. All this said, I think the conventional war is still Russia's to lose. The fact remains that there is a huge manpower and materiel disparity between the two forces in Russia's favor. I would think a more salient question wouldn't be so much about whether Russia will or will not win, but how much losses and suffering Russia is willing to incur and to inflict in order to achieve the said victory. For that matter, while Ukrainian morale seems to holding up well so far, formal resistance could collapse quickly if the Ukrainian national command authority were to be captured or killed. These are intangibles that cannot be measured or predicted.
5. Of course, that then begs the question: even if Russia were to win (which is not in any way guaranteed), what will a Russian occupation look like? Israeli military theorist Martin van Creveld once wrote that, in a post-modern world, when the strong fights the weak in a long war, the strong loses. Having failed to topple Ukraine in a lightning attack, Russia will have to use much more destructive means to achieve victory, which will only embitter the population it was supposed to "liberate," even setting aside the enormous international opprobrium. Although hardly assured one way or another, the prospect of a Russian victory being Pyrrhic and the conquest of Ukraine being a poisoned pill cannot be dismissed easily.
6. Yet another question, which I am not in any way qualified answer, is the issue of domestic consensus in Russia. Putin is an undisputed authoritarian leader, but he is not a God-Emperor. Surely he is to a varying degree sensitive to the Russian "street" opinion and domestic legitimacy. As with the CCP in China, I think Putin derives much of that domestic legitimacy from the fact that his rule has coincided with the re-rise of Russia as a world player, not to forget the rise in living standards. I cannot even begin to predict how and to what extent Russia's economy and standard of living will be affected by this war and how long the current domestic consensus (53% or something close to it supporting the war) would persist in the face of varying scenarios of negative outcomes (one shouldn't forget the effect of the Afghan War on the Soviet Union, which turned out to be far more sensitive to losses of its young men than the supposedly more brittle American domestic morale in Vietnam).
I guess this is a rather longwinded version of "Things turned out differently than I thought, and I have no clue what's going to happen next." ;)Replies: @Blinky Bill, @AP
Thank you. You are by far the most knowledgeable military expert writing around here (perhaps the only military expert), your comment is much appreciated.
I have one very strongly Russian nationalist family branch in Ukraine (children of an uncle who lived in Russia and returned to Ukraine with a Russian wife). The usual stuff – “Ukrainians and Russians are one people”, staunch members of the Russian Orthodox Church, had opposed Maidan, etc. They are now messaging me about if I’ve heard if America will close the skies so that the murderous Russians will stop killing our people.
I came across a very true comment – Putin managed to do what Ukrainian nationalists had failed to do in 30 years – convince even Eastern Ukrainians that Bandera was correct about the Russians.
On the front we should see the impact of 17,000 anti-tank weapons and several hundreds of Stingers delivered in last week and a new batch of drones from Turkey that was brought to Polish-Ukrainian border two days ago.
Ukrainian propaganda should emphasize battlefield successes more for continued military support rather than Russian atrocities.
The MiG-29 debacle demonstrated that the US does not have what it takes when after publicly egging Poland on to transfer the MiGs to Ukraine it got cold feet when the ball was in its court.
Sanctions are too weak. Germany does everything to do nothing.
Zelensky is right that no-fly zone should be imposed. In the game of nuclear chicken you can't be a chicken by refusing even to enter the game.Replies: @Rich, @Dmitry, @Seaghan, @Veteran of the Memic Wars
Be well!
I came across a very true comment - Putin managed to do what Ukrainian nationalists had failed to do in 30 years - convince even Eastern Ukrainians that Bandera was correct about the Russians.Replies: @sudden death, @utu, @Anatoly Karlin, @Pharmakon, @Twinkie
Considering Ukrainians managed to shoot down 5 various RF Sukhoi bomber planes last week, they’re doing the closing job quite well themselves too.
Their assets are being destroyed in both Ukraine and Russia. That will be the biggest economic consequence of the war. Their easy gains after 1990, and now easy losses – the oligarchs basically privatized public assets and watched them go up in value as order returned. They are not happy, and Washington is desperately pleading with them and threatening them so they overthrow Russia’s government.
It is amusing to watch: soft power meets hard power. Financial ‘assets‘ meet soldiers. As in the past when those two meet, the soft power shrieks and the hard power prevails.
There is a hit to prestige, but also a reassertion of reality over virtual worlds. This will be tough on a lot of people, they will never forgive.
The Decline of the West (Oswald Spengler). No the same words but the very same idea.
I came across a very true comment - Putin managed to do what Ukrainian nationalists had failed to do in 30 years - convince even Eastern Ukrainians that Bandera was correct about the Russians.Replies: @sudden death, @utu, @Anatoly Karlin, @Pharmakon, @Twinkie
I agree that Twinkie’s comments here are good and sensible. Comments of many others and Karlin’s in particular are on subhuman level and should be ignored but not forgotten.
On the front we should see the impact of 17,000 anti-tank weapons and several hundreds of Stingers delivered in last week and a new batch of drones from Turkey that was brought to Polish-Ukrainian border two days ago.
Ukrainian propaganda should emphasize battlefield successes more for continued military support rather than Russian atrocities.
The MiG-29 debacle demonstrated that the US does not have what it takes when after publicly egging Poland on to transfer the MiGs to Ukraine it got cold feet when the ball was in its court.
Sanctions are too weak. Germany does everything to do nothing.
Zelensky is right that no-fly zone should be imposed. In the game of nuclear chicken you can’t be a chicken by refusing even to enter the game.
- Great Britain has given to Ukraine 3615 NLAW, which can destroy any tanks. Ukraine also has received probably a lot of Javelins.
Ukrainians have also some number of domestically designed anti-tank laser guided missiles "Skif" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skif_(ATGM) ). They have released about a dozen videos showing they are using allegedly this Ukrainian anti-tank missile. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t8yehx/this_is_how_actually_russian_columns_are_being/Replies: @songbird, @Wokechoke
It seems like the dumb Poles, who are the biggest parasites on Western Europe and the EU, are also the biggest Russo-phobic maniacs throughout this whole episode and are obsessed with trying to embroil the whole world in a wider conflict. Freeloading Russia-hating Poles are the cause of most of Europe’s problems.
Setting up the sanctions trap for China to walk into… we might end up with hostile tertiary sanctions for those who do business with targets of secondary sanctions (e.g. whoever banks and retailers depending on UnionPay since it is partnering with MIR). The 2 groups combined can be a sizable chunk of the Chinese economy, enough to trigger a private divestment campaign like the one we’re seeing with Russia. A123 will love this for an opportunity to exploit for his Trumpist bloc autarky/hard decoupling dreams.
(reposting from the dead past thread so don’t delete)
The term "Trumpist" is also wholly incorrect in terms of lingustics. The MAGA movement is much larger than a single individual. "Christian Populist" is much more accurate identification.
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A hard decoupling will be the 2nd Great Leap Backwards for the PRC. If Xi and his CCP Elites wish to starve millions of Chinese peasants to death... There is little the civilized world can do to intervene.
America is food independent. Energy independence is also easy for the U.S. once the science deniers are moved out. It will not be painless, but a hard decoupling will lead to long term prosperity.
PEACE 😇Replies: @iffen, @Yellowface Anon
I agree. Putin has both blood and iron and he’s also got grain, gas and oil. The last three Hitler did not have. There’s also strong sympathy for him among Arabs, Indians and Chinese.
You sound like you’re discussing a conflict with your long ago ex-wife who rejected you, or even mother, or probably actually both, not the Putinist attempt at the systematic destruction and murder of a European country of 40 million people. Go see a therapist. You have no idea what reality is.
Probably it wasn’t intentional, but this phrasing is pretty misleading, implying that Alexander had any sort of plan for succession prior to his death, intending to divide his empire up like that.
Certainly he didn’t intend for 40-odd years of constant warfare as his generals carved up his conquests, exerminating the entire Makedonian royal family in the process.
But yes, Christianity is fundamentally a syncretistic faith, mixing Greek paganism and philosophy with Judaism, although the latter predominates. And of course, Rome would have had a much harder time pacifying and governing the East-Med had the region not been undergoing Hellenisation for centuries prior.
As for Aaron B’s comment, despite its early spread, the idea Christianity (like any monotheistic religion) didn’t owe much of its spread to extreme violence and persecution is pretty dim.
Certainly he didn't intend for 40-odd years of constant warfare as his generals carved up his conquests, exerminating the entire Makedonian royal family in the process.
But yes, Christianity is fundamentally a syncretistic faith, mixing Greek paganism and philosophy with Judaism, although the latter predominates. And of course, Rome would have had a much harder time pacifying and governing the East-Med had the region not been undergoing Hellenisation for centuries prior.
As for Aaron B's comment, despite its early spread, the idea Christianity (like any monotheistic religion) didn't owe much of its spread to extreme violence and persecution is pretty dim.Replies: @Wokechoke, @silviosilver
Well, yeah he died young. I am familiar with the Hellenistic Kingdoms that followed. Maybe his commanders murdered him. The Greek influence on the world via that trashing of Persia was pretty profound anyway.
Henry Higgins
Where were you when NATO destroyed Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan? When Georgia attacked South Ossetia and Kiev bombed Donbas for 8 years killing 10k civilians?
Was that systematic enough for you? Are only European countries worth your concern?
That is reality, it all happened. With your level of hypocrisy therapy won’t help. You hide and pretend to forget. You blubbered here about ‘Western good intentions’ in the past, a very detached naive view.
I do care more about Europeans as an abstract.
Do you have a problem with that? Good for you.
And yes, I particularly care for white Europeans. Indeed, of my 6 favourite people in the world, all are very white and all but one has light eyes and light hair. Is that morally wrong???
You can call that racist stuff, or just, you know, having a family.
I also know in my heart that every living being deserves love and compassion, but not being God, I recognise that my affection is limited and idiosyncratic. Shocking, I know!
One thing however that I am not limited in, for whatever reason, is my ability to be honest with myself. Whereas it seems that you are extremely limited in this regard. Go back, read my comment and ask yourself how come your view of geopolitics corresponds just so perfectly with your personal emotional life.
Lol, how absurd.
But don't worry. Your life was actually important and well lived. You just can't see it. Nonetheless, you needed to learn what you are in the process of learning, slowly, and you'll have such a great feeling of existence when you eventually realise it, at the near end of your this lifetime or perhaps next.
(Btw, Anatoly, I made this point about Beckow prior to seeing the news about Kanye. I promise. Pretty funny. If you want to do sterling work as a Russian propagandist you should advise that they follow online keywords like "cheap whisky", "misery" and, perhaps rather hopefully for them, "Viagra.")Replies: @Beckow
SO, I AM GOING TO PUT OUT A CALL TO ALL MY SUBSCRIBERS:
PLEASE Respond to this tweet and add suggestions for all the excellent #Twitter sources that tell the story not shown in the Western media. Thank you!
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There are a lot of #Telegram sources in Russian.
The following one is in English—they select Russian sources and translate them. Here:
t.me
Military events in Ukraine
All important military or social events in Ukraine
https://t.me/military_events_in_Ukraine
There are good Russian sources. I will give you a few:
https://t.me/boris_rozhin
https://t.me/rybar
https://t.me/voenkorKotenok
https://t.me/mig41
https://t.me/voenacher
https://web.telegram.org/z/#-1497591396
https://web.telegram.org/z/#-1215462939
DIRECTLY FROM INSIDE #KHARKOV:
https://t.me/z_kharkovnash
Not so much on twitter. aside from Gleb Bazov there is RWApodcast, Mark Sleboda, anybody else?
If you want to follow the war developments it’s best to sign up for the Telegram app. In English on Telegram there is also Russian Min Defense English https://t.me/mod_russia_en and Bellum Acta https://t.me/BellumActaNews
Probably the two famous people/characters I've most often been told I look like are Daniel LaRusso (ie the Karate Kid) and Danny Zuko (Travolta in Grease). I can see the likeness with Daniel, but I don't think I look like Travolta at all, not even in that movie. I think it's just the slick greasy hair I've been known to sport, combined with my penchant for wearing black leather jackets that forms the association for people. Oh and Fonzie from Happy Days too, but again it's more the jacket than actually looking like him.Replies: @songbird
Heard the TV show is “woke around the edges” so to speak. Is there a tranny character or a gay, or something? If so, I don’t think I could watch it.
Reminds me a bit of Queen’s “Princes of the Universe” from the Highlander movie. I mean, not to be too harsh on Queen, but it does have a gay tinge at the very end. I suppose Freddy Mercury would still be alive, if we lived in a less tolerant world.
Another optimistic ’80s movie song I like is “Never Say Die” by King Cobra for the movie Iron Eagle, which probably should be considered like Delta Force, an Israeli propaganda film intended to make young American’s aggressive toward Arabs.
When I was around 8 or 9, I remember several people telling me I looked like JFK, which I find unsettling, as I think he was a weird-looking guy, and I don’t understand how I could have looked like him as a boy. Later, in my teens, I think I was told I look like the drummer from U2, which I can’t really see either. Fact is, I don’t think I have a double anywhere in the world, unless I was secretly cloned.
Actually, now that I think about it the spread of Greek culture, and especially it’s total adoption by Rome, provides almost as good an example as Christianity for the idea that genuine transformation isn’t accomplished with force.
It’s also interesting that twice Rome adopted the culture of a people they defeated and completely transformed themselves in their image. That’s remarkable and suggests things about what constitutes victory and defeat that the simple minded men of force cannot understand.
Back to the original idea, for Slavs and Russia to join the EU and transform it from within?
One precondition for being a cultural hegemon – or an initiator of cultural change on a vast scale – is to be physically weak, it seems. Neitzsche once made the point that one only has so much energy, and if one devotes this to military strength one will have nothing left to devote to “matters of the spirit”.
It seems to me he was largely correct in this.
The West is right now the wealthiest and most powerful culture on the planet, and has been devoting all it’s energies to building up physical wealth and power – so it’s not surprising that the West should be culturally and spiritually empty.
China of course is even worse in these departments.
So then – if we follow the rule of cultural renewal only being successfully undertaken by the physically weak, the defeated peoples, the losers in the game of power and wealth all the “smart” people think is so important, well then, we should expect global culture to be saved from some peripheral state or people, some defeated group or nation.
Ultimately, it is the fate of the smart, powerful people to be dominated by the people they physically defeat 🙂
And that is an amusing, and cheering, idea.
Oh, I am sure it wasn't just numbers. They had a certain genius, but partly that was derived from their numbers, though not entirely.
Meanwhile, early Christianity probably did a better job of maximizing fertility than other cults, so also a numbers game.
Though, it is my personal theory that Ukraine could have been conquered culturally. With a large amount of effort and thought. But I might be wrong about that. Hard to match the volume of the sinister effluvia and money coming from the West.Replies: @AaronB
The people of Mariupol ought to surrender. They are in a hopeless military situation and are effectively being held hostage by dead ender fanatics. Kharkov too. Encouraging them to fight against a conventional military besieging them is proof your position is insane.
As for Mariupol, henceforth to be known as Helm's Deep, I pray to any listening being to aid their relief. And who knows how it will turn out? It is always darkest before the dawn.Replies: @Wokechoke
You could have been writing such texts to people of Moscow and Leningrad in 1941 and even getting hefty rewards in reichsmarks for that 😉
1) You can't possibly succeed against a larger force.
2) We will deny you the status of heroes.
It's such textbook propoganda meant to sap morale.
People fight and die to be heroes.
However, for the imperialistic force to "explain" to their victims that they are not autonomous individuals but merely weak children being manipulated, and that imperialistic force "knows better" what they think - this is absolutely disastrous propoganda, but surprisingly difficult for imperialistic forces to avoid.
It's primary effect is to stiffen resistance, because it provides such an absolutely glaring reminder of the paternalistic contempt in which the imperialistic power holds it's victim - and just how much of an "inferior" he is considered by the aggressor force, with all the implications this has for what sort of treatment he will suffer should he be conquered. It's such a perfect reflection of the attitude or arrogance and contempt that led to the physical invasion to begin with.
Much better propoganda would be to recognize and express admiration for the heroism and sacrifice of your victim - to show that you do not consider him a contemptible inferior, but a fully autonomous actor - to convince him he may expect respect and dignified treatment, some level of equality, should he be conquered - to convince him his sacrifice may not be necessary.
That might stand a chance of weakening morale. But contempt only stiffens resistance.
Nevertheless, imperial empires can never resist expressing this kind of utterly counterproductive, paternalistic contempt for their victims, because it is the natural outgrowth of the imperial mindset.
They wouldn't be imperial if they didn't have this very mindset and value system, and expressing it clearly is a necessary part of the "fun" of being imperial.
So they have no choice, really, to be stupid and self defeating...Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke, @John Leonard
https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1501298833627791360
(reposting from the dead past thread so don't delete)Replies: @A123
I have repeatedly stated that the better option is a gradual decoupling. So, “love” is clearly invalid language construction
The term “Trumpist” is also wholly incorrect in terms of lingustics. The MAGA movement is much larger than a single individual. “Christian Populist” is much more accurate identification.
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A hard decoupling will be the 2nd Great Leap Backwards for the PRC. If Xi and his CCP Elites wish to starve millions of Chinese peasants to death… There is little the civilized world can do to intervene.
America is food independent. Energy independence is also easy for the U.S. once the science deniers are moved out. It will not be painless, but a hard decoupling will lead to long term prosperity.
PEACE 😇
I just came from the local Wally-world and there was not a single bag of Goldfish. Just goes to show the "depth" of knowledge of an Israeli propaganda bot.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Barbarossa
The State Department decides when a hard decoupling will start, and Not-your-President Brandon/Blinken are testing the water with Russia, to be extended to China when the cost to global trade is clear. It won't be stopped even if the stock market loses 70% of the value overnight and Soviet-style shortages pop up all over the West - causing the largest famine in human history doesn't stop them from cutting off potential Russian grain exports by severing Russian finance's links to the American-led economic order. Good luck.Replies: @A123, @A123
Incidentally, I think that Victoria Nuland's disastrous mistake in admitting the existence of those Ukrainian biolabs greatly strengthens the case I've been making that the global Covid outbreak was the result of an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), as I just pointed out in a short column:
https://www.unz.com/announcement/ukraine-and-biowarfare-conspiracy-theories/
Over the last two years, I've accumulated a massive amount of evidence in favor of my hypothesis and the only argument anyone has ever been able to make on the other side is that even rogue elements of the Trump Administration couldn't possibly have done something so extremely reckless and foolish.
Well, the fact that they apparently set up deadly biowarfare labs right on Russia's border also seems pretty reckless and foolish...Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Blinky Bill
https://journal-neo.org/2022/02/16/davos-and-the-purloined-letter-conspiracy/
Davos and the Purloined Letter Conspiracy; F. William Engdahl
Right, it seemed like such obvious propoganda meant to undermine morale 🙂
1) You can’t possibly succeed against a larger force.
2) We will deny you the status of heroes.
It’s such textbook propoganda meant to sap morale.
People fight and die to be heroes.
However, for the imperialistic force to “explain” to their victims that they are not autonomous individuals but merely weak children being manipulated, and that imperialistic force “knows better” what they think – this is absolutely disastrous propoganda, but surprisingly difficult for imperialistic forces to avoid.
It’s primary effect is to stiffen resistance, because it provides such an absolutely glaring reminder of the paternalistic contempt in which the imperialistic power holds it’s victim – and just how much of an “inferior” he is considered by the aggressor force, with all the implications this has for what sort of treatment he will suffer should he be conquered. It’s such a perfect reflection of the attitude or arrogance and contempt that led to the physical invasion to begin with.
Much better propoganda would be to recognize and express admiration for the heroism and sacrifice of your victim – to show that you do not consider him a contemptible inferior, but a fully autonomous actor – to convince him he may expect respect and dignified treatment, some level of equality, should he be conquered – to convince him his sacrifice may not be necessary.
That might stand a chance of weakening morale. But contempt only stiffens resistance.
Nevertheless, imperial empires can never resist expressing this kind of utterly counterproductive, paternalistic contempt for their victims, because it is the natural outgrowth of the imperial mindset.
They wouldn’t be imperial if they didn’t have this very mindset and value system, and expressing it clearly is a necessary part of the “fun” of being imperial.
So they have no choice, really, to be stupid and self defeating…
But if we take contempt as a form of bullying, then Ukraine is oppressing Donbass, Russia is oppressing Ukraine and USA is oppressing Russia.
In reality, underdogs are just as able to express contempt as overdogs are. It doesn't require great resources.
One may for instance be contemptuous of imperialists.
I came across a very true comment - Putin managed to do what Ukrainian nationalists had failed to do in 30 years - convince even Eastern Ukrainians that Bandera was correct about the Russians.Replies: @sudden death, @utu, @Anatoly Karlin, @Pharmakon, @Twinkie
They are not nationalists, they are normies. No matter. Normie opinions are as irrelevant as they are malleable.
Daily reminder: Shock and disbelief is inevitable.
The term "Trumpist" is also wholly incorrect in terms of lingustics. The MAGA movement is much larger than a single individual. "Christian Populist" is much more accurate identification.
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A hard decoupling will be the 2nd Great Leap Backwards for the PRC. If Xi and his CCP Elites wish to starve millions of Chinese peasants to death... There is little the civilized world can do to intervene.
America is food independent. Energy independence is also easy for the U.S. once the science deniers are moved out. It will not be painless, but a hard decoupling will lead to long term prosperity.
PEACE 😇Replies: @iffen, @Yellowface Anon
America is food independent.
I just came from the local Wally-world and there was not a single bag of Goldfish. Just goes to show the “depth” of knowledge of an Israeli propaganda bot.
I heard they are farm raised in fetid conditions in Indonesia fed on a diet of expired off brand Doritos.
Gross.Replies: @iffen
Wouldn’t you have preferred that Leningrad surrendered?
Death cults are sometimes all the rage.
1) You can't possibly succeed against a larger force.
2) We will deny you the status of heroes.
It's such textbook propoganda meant to sap morale.
People fight and die to be heroes.
However, for the imperialistic force to "explain" to their victims that they are not autonomous individuals but merely weak children being manipulated, and that imperialistic force "knows better" what they think - this is absolutely disastrous propoganda, but surprisingly difficult for imperialistic forces to avoid.
It's primary effect is to stiffen resistance, because it provides such an absolutely glaring reminder of the paternalistic contempt in which the imperialistic power holds it's victim - and just how much of an "inferior" he is considered by the aggressor force, with all the implications this has for what sort of treatment he will suffer should he be conquered. It's such a perfect reflection of the attitude or arrogance and contempt that led to the physical invasion to begin with.
Much better propoganda would be to recognize and express admiration for the heroism and sacrifice of your victim - to show that you do not consider him a contemptible inferior, but a fully autonomous actor - to convince him he may expect respect and dignified treatment, some level of equality, should he be conquered - to convince him his sacrifice may not be necessary.
That might stand a chance of weakening morale. But contempt only stiffens resistance.
Nevertheless, imperial empires can never resist expressing this kind of utterly counterproductive, paternalistic contempt for their victims, because it is the natural outgrowth of the imperial mindset.
They wouldn't be imperial if they didn't have this very mindset and value system, and expressing it clearly is a necessary part of the "fun" of being imperial.
So they have no choice, really, to be stupid and self defeating...Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke, @John Leonard
They ought to surrender.
1) You can't possibly succeed against a larger force.
2) We will deny you the status of heroes.
It's such textbook propoganda meant to sap morale.
People fight and die to be heroes.
However, for the imperialistic force to "explain" to their victims that they are not autonomous individuals but merely weak children being manipulated, and that imperialistic force "knows better" what they think - this is absolutely disastrous propoganda, but surprisingly difficult for imperialistic forces to avoid.
It's primary effect is to stiffen resistance, because it provides such an absolutely glaring reminder of the paternalistic contempt in which the imperialistic power holds it's victim - and just how much of an "inferior" he is considered by the aggressor force, with all the implications this has for what sort of treatment he will suffer should he be conquered. It's such a perfect reflection of the attitude or arrogance and contempt that led to the physical invasion to begin with.
Much better propoganda would be to recognize and express admiration for the heroism and sacrifice of your victim - to show that you do not consider him a contemptible inferior, but a fully autonomous actor - to convince him he may expect respect and dignified treatment, some level of equality, should he be conquered - to convince him his sacrifice may not be necessary.
That might stand a chance of weakening morale. But contempt only stiffens resistance.
Nevertheless, imperial empires can never resist expressing this kind of utterly counterproductive, paternalistic contempt for their victims, because it is the natural outgrowth of the imperial mindset.
They wouldn't be imperial if they didn't have this very mindset and value system, and expressing it clearly is a necessary part of the "fun" of being imperial.
So they have no choice, really, to be stupid and self defeating...Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke, @John Leonard
How do you say “Glory to the heroes” in Ukrainian? Let them have their glory then.
They have earned their glory, though, and they don't need me to give it to them.
One of the creepier things I'm seeing on the alt right is this attempt to deny the Ukrainians their heroism and sacrifice, and assure them that they are merely pathetic children who can't possibly know their own minds, and they, American alt righters, know much better that Ukrainians are being manipulated, and their chosen leader who they've rallied around and been inspired by, is actually manipulating them etc etc.
I mean, it's ok to support Russia - not really, you'd have to be pretty cretinous and dumb, but I can see some kind of retarded right wing argument of the kind that Putin represents an attractive alternative to Global Liberalism etc that we would all prefer to live in lol.
Deluded, but ok, some people can't help being retarded (and as someone who deeply wants to see the current Woke Materialism replaced by a much better spiritual vision, if Putin is your more appealing alternative than you have a serious, serious, serious PR problem - and not just a PR problem, but a philosophical problem lol).
But why do the alt righters always do the ignoble and low-class trashy thing - why are their moral instincts always so reliably trashy - when it comes to how they talk about Ukrainians dying for their beliefs.
I mean, a little self-overcoming, a little respect for your enemy, is actually noble.Replies: @Justvisiting, @songbird, @Coconuts
The way world events have been shaping up in the last eight years (Russia and Ukraine were of paramount importance even for Trump's presidency), I'm afraid that you either have had to learn that Ukrainian slogan and have some hope of understanding what's going on or you haven't and are at the mercy of MSM propaganda.
In any case, it's good to see that AK accepts that he was wrong in part of his predictions due to the stubborn resistance of the Ukrainians but it seems clear that the Kremlin had similar expectations and this miscalculation is likely to have strategic consequences beyond the simple timeline of events.
You know that things have become dicey for the Russians when even Colonelcassad's telegram channel includes posts that criticize the Russians' military incompetence and attributes part of the responsibility for civilian losses to them.Replies: @Wokechoke
I just came from the local Wally-world and there was not a single bag of Goldfish. Just goes to show the "depth" of knowledge of an Israeli propaganda bot.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Barbarossa
Some raving lunatic has a closet full of goldfish.
The goldfish manufacturer (which multinational owns Pepridge Farms?) loves this shit.
If you eat less goldfish and more peanuts and raisins your insulin chain will be grateful!
__________(1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/09/global-governments-begin-warning-of-critical-food-shortages/
Stalin ordered that they fight until death. Or starve until death. Or kill their children and eat them to the children’s death.
Death cults are sometimes all the rage.
It's also interesting that twice Rome adopted the culture of a people they defeated and completely transformed themselves in their image. That's remarkable and suggests things about what constitutes victory and defeat that the simple minded men of force cannot understand.
Back to the original idea, for Slavs and Russia to join the EU and transform it from within?
One precondition for being a cultural hegemon - or an initiator of cultural change on a vast scale - is to be physically weak, it seems. Neitzsche once made the point that one only has so much energy, and if one devotes this to military strength one will have nothing left to devote to "matters of the spirit".
It seems to me he was largely correct in this.
The West is right now the wealthiest and most powerful culture on the planet, and has been devoting all it's energies to building up physical wealth and power - so it's not surprising that the West should be culturally and spiritually empty.
China of course is even worse in these departments.
So then - if we follow the rule of cultural renewal only being successfully undertaken by the physically weak, the defeated peoples, the losers in the game of power and wealth all the "smart" people think is so important, well then, we should expect global culture to be saved from some peripheral state or people, some defeated group or nation.
Ultimately, it is the fate of the smart, powerful people to be dominated by the people they physically defeat :)
And that is an amusing, and cheering, idea.Replies: @songbird
Probably, it was more quotidian than that. The Greeks were influential on the Romans because they had greater numbers than them. I assume that you are also referring to the Etruscans. Same thing again.
Oh, I am sure it wasn’t just numbers. They had a certain genius, but partly that was derived from their numbers, though not entirely.
Meanwhile, early Christianity probably did a better job of maximizing fertility than other cults, so also a numbers game.
Though, it is my personal theory that Ukraine could have been conquered culturally. With a large amount of effort and thought. But I might be wrong about that. Hard to match the volume of the sinister effluvia and money coming from the West.
But if numbers were a significant factor, the much larger Near Eastern empires would have been much more culturally influential, and that tiny peninsula jutting out of the Western half of Asia would not have been the greatest cultural influencer in the history of the world :)
As for the early Christians, they achieved dominance on a timescale far too small for fertility patterns to play a significant role - assuming they even did have better fertility.
I am starting to read an interesting book called "The Patient Ferment" about the early Christians and how they spread - the thesis of the book is that the early Christians lived in a visibly more appealing way - they were, at least at first, really more loving, harmonious, kind, cheerful than their pagan neighbors, who at that late date in antiquity were often very corrupted in their personal and sexual lives, and who had lost their zest for life and were attached to uninspiring philosophies of "consolation", such as Stoicism and Epicureanism that were about reducing pain rather than living joyously.
That being said, I'm not suggesting there is some kind of absolute division between spirit and the physical - in fact the two are closely interlinked.
Spiritual health and physical health and flourishing go hand in hand! And one of the first indicators of a corrupt or dying spirituality is physical breakdown, as we are seeing today.
However, the relationship is one that is "non-obvious", in that prioritizing physical survival as the materialist does actually makes one less good at surviving long term - and making power and wealth your priority, likewise, makes flourishing and ultimate survival less certain.
Because as the oldest and truest spiritual adage has it - you must give up your life to save it.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird
Certainly he didn't intend for 40-odd years of constant warfare as his generals carved up his conquests, exerminating the entire Makedonian royal family in the process.
But yes, Christianity is fundamentally a syncretistic faith, mixing Greek paganism and philosophy with Judaism, although the latter predominates. And of course, Rome would have had a much harder time pacifying and governing the East-Med had the region not been undergoing Hellenisation for centuries prior.
As for Aaron B's comment, despite its early spread, the idea Christianity (like any monotheistic religion) didn't owe much of its spread to extreme violence and persecution is pretty dim.Replies: @Wokechoke, @silviosilver
Well, until Christians got into power, they didn’t really have the ability to systematically persecute anyone. So there certainly was an element of essentially peaceful spreading. When they became the official state religion, they really ratcheted up the persecution. If the pagans had treated Christians with the same brutality that Christians treated pagans, Christianity would never have gotten off the ground.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Triumph_of_faith_by_Eugene_Thirion.jpgReplies: @German_reader
Secularize Paganism & declare temples public goods = take bricks from them freely
https://web.archive.org/web/20160304070043/http://mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html
Yahya can cry about being white or peaceful monotheism. In the end, the Sword rules. Pagan or Jew
ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹReplies: @silviosilver
That’s if they ever tell them the truth. Now they’ve banned Russian media in the West and the information superhighway is jammed with Western propaganda we’re entering the Orwellian 1984 situation with regard to what news the public is served. Even if some speck of truth gets through it’ll be dismissed as lies and Russian propaganda. And the minute of hate is now all day long, day in day out.
Wow, nice defensive outburst that ranted totally off topic and thank you for absolutely confirming my observation about you.
I’ll go a little with you on one of your two deflections, because it helps me further explain my point and because I have nothing to be ashamed of.
I do care more about Europeans as an abstract.
Do you have a problem with that? Good for you.
And yes, I particularly care for white Europeans. Indeed, of my 6 favourite people in the world, all are very white and all but one has light eyes and light hair. Is that morally wrong???
You can call that racist stuff, or just, you know, having a family.
I also know in my heart that every living being deserves love and compassion, but not being God, I recognise that my affection is limited and idiosyncratic. Shocking, I know!
One thing however that I am not limited in, for whatever reason, is my ability to be honest with myself. Whereas it seems that you are extremely limited in this regard. Go back, read my comment and ask yourself how come your view of geopolitics corresponds just so perfectly with your personal emotional life.
Lol, how absurd.
But don’t worry. Your life was actually important and well lived. You just can’t see it. Nonetheless, you needed to learn what you are in the process of learning, slowly, and you’ll have such a great feeling of existence when you eventually realise it, at the near end of your this lifetime or perhaps next.
(Btw, Anatoly, I made this point about Beckow prior to seeing the news about Kanye. I promise. Pretty funny. If you want to do sterling work as a Russian propagandist you should advise that they follow online keywords like “cheap whisky”, “misery” and, perhaps rather hopefully for them, “Viagra.”)
The Russian military is in a hopeless position. There is no way for them to pacify Ukraine. They are being held hostage by a botoxified, aged President and his corrupt coterie. Tens of thousands of them will die for the cause of murdering Ukrainians. They should all immediately turn back home, put a 7.62 in Putin’s head and go see their mothers with some flowers to say sorry for almost breaking their hearts.
As for Mariupol, henceforth to be known as Helm’s Deep, I pray to any listening being to aid their relief. And who knows how it will turn out? It is always darkest before the dawn.
In the future, I hope someone goes through U2’s catalog and systematically purges the woke parts of it, using DeepFake to make the lyrics based. “Pride” will become a song about Enoch Powell. “Angel of Harlem” will be about a Dutchwoman. Instead of BB King, Bono will collaborate with Morrisey.
Why is assets in sneer quotes? There is much sense in what you say (and some nonsense too – “Ukes are going to desert en masse, just you watch!”), but the inner commie can’t help coming out, I guess.
Financial assets aren’t mere fictions. They inextricably tied to production. Someone has to produce something that someone wants to buy in order for there to be a claim on the cashflows that are hence produced – ie a financial asset. If I have a legal claim on a cashflow, damn straight I am thinking of that as asset.
Has anyone ever really pretended that financial assets, of themselves, could stand up to hard military force? Not as far as I know. But perhaps there is a case to be made that Europe has been too absorbed in hedonistic values and neglected the military factor that is the ultimate guarantor of prosperity.
I just came from the local Wally-world and there was not a single bag of Goldfish. Just goes to show the "depth" of knowledge of an Israeli propaganda bot.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Barbarossa
They aren’t even wild caught in Alaska like they used to be.
I heard they are farm raised in fetid conditions in Indonesia fed on a diet of expired off brand Doritos.
Gross.
That's where that after taste in the Flavor Blasted Xtra Cheddar comes from!
I used to not being able to understand the English lyrics, until I do. 😩😂
The best lesson for China is to strike first and strike hard.
https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1498119654908309505Replies: @silviosilver, @Twinkie, @yakushimaru
I don’t believe pulling off a Pearl Harbor would be the lesson learned by China.
Actually, the lesson for China should’ve been pretty straight forward. It is to make preparations, more preparations. And if it is made to align with general development instead of a bunker attitude, then it should be settled. The other parties can do not much at all.
Oh, I am sure it wasn't just numbers. They had a certain genius, but partly that was derived from their numbers, though not entirely.
Meanwhile, early Christianity probably did a better job of maximizing fertility than other cults, so also a numbers game.
Though, it is my personal theory that Ukraine could have been conquered culturally. With a large amount of effort and thought. But I might be wrong about that. Hard to match the volume of the sinister effluvia and money coming from the West.Replies: @AaronB
Wait, there were more Greeks than Romans?
But if numbers were a significant factor, the much larger Near Eastern empires would have been much more culturally influential, and that tiny peninsula jutting out of the Western half of Asia would not have been the greatest cultural influencer in the history of the world 🙂
As for the early Christians, they achieved dominance on a timescale far too small for fertility patterns to play a significant role – assuming they even did have better fertility.
I am starting to read an interesting book called “The Patient Ferment” about the early Christians and how they spread – the thesis of the book is that the early Christians lived in a visibly more appealing way – they were, at least at first, really more loving, harmonious, kind, cheerful than their pagan neighbors, who at that late date in antiquity were often very corrupted in their personal and sexual lives, and who had lost their zest for life and were attached to uninspiring philosophies of “consolation”, such as Stoicism and Epicureanism that were about reducing pain rather than living joyously.
That being said, I’m not suggesting there is some kind of absolute division between spirit and the physical – in fact the two are closely interlinked.
Spiritual health and physical health and flourishing go hand in hand! And one of the first indicators of a corrupt or dying spirituality is physical breakdown, as we are seeing today.
However, the relationship is one that is “non-obvious”, in that prioritizing physical survival as the materialist does actually makes one less good at surviving long term – and making power and wealth your priority, likewise, makes flourishing and ultimate survival less certain.
Because as the oldest and truest spiritual adage has it – you must give up your life to save it.
1. Rome had an epidemic of demonic possession. The Christians were really skilled at exorcising demons.
2. The morals of middle class Romans had begun to imitate the upper classes in terms of drinking and promiscuity. The Christians had exemplary family values. Whether their theology made the greatest sense or not, people wanted to be like them.
The most popular preacher in Houston is Joel Osteen. He is a complete charlatan but he is great at marketing. People go to his church by the thousands because they want to be like Joel Osteen. Stoicism and Empiricism and Neoplatonism and Hermetism may have competed for thinkers, but most of the people were illiterate.Replies: @AaronB
I agree with much of the rest of your comment. What we are seeing today is the mimetic idea of wokeness spread, which is as "contagious" as early Christianity, but which encourages non-adaptive behaviors, unlike early Christianity.Replies: @sher singh
On the front we should see the impact of 17,000 anti-tank weapons and several hundreds of Stingers delivered in last week and a new batch of drones from Turkey that was brought to Polish-Ukrainian border two days ago.
Ukrainian propaganda should emphasize battlefield successes more for continued military support rather than Russian atrocities.
The MiG-29 debacle demonstrated that the US does not have what it takes when after publicly egging Poland on to transfer the MiGs to Ukraine it got cold feet when the ball was in its court.
Sanctions are too weak. Germany does everything to do nothing.
Zelensky is right that no-fly zone should be imposed. In the game of nuclear chicken you can't be a chicken by refusing even to enter the game.Replies: @Rich, @Dmitry, @Seaghan, @Veteran of the Memic Wars
Who do you want to enforce a “no-fly zone”? America? Nato? Are you really in favor of starting WW3? I understand the Ukrainians asking for it, but anyone outside of Ukraine who would try it, is obviously calling for a nuclear war. The Russians didn’t invade the US, they didn’t even invade one of our erstwhile allies, they invaded a country that’s been in their sphere of influence forever. I like Ukrainians, they’re a nice people, but I don’t remember any of them fighting alongside Americans in Korea, Vietnam, various Central American adventures, Afghanistan, Iraq, or Africa. They are not, nor have they ever been, an ally of the US.
As for Mariupol, henceforth to be known as Helm's Deep, I pray to any listening being to aid their relief. And who knows how it will turn out? It is always darkest before the dawn.Replies: @Wokechoke
The Germans were happy to have the Leningrad population starve to death. Hitler wanted that City erased. Moscow on the other hand was unconquerable. Too large to populous too sprawling. Leningrad could be hemmed in more or less and only had one supply route. It was just enough supply to resist the siege and neglect by the Germans. Who should have stormed the city.
Maruipol can’t be supplied. They should surrender. But that would mean the band of lunatics controlling the town are going to have to be heroic.
There’s a whiff of sulphur in the Ukie Case.
All Western “journalists” are in Kiev waiting for “the big battle” while the real action is west of Donbass, where Ukrainian tropos are being methodically encircled. There is just a crazy Chinese journo following the action in Mariupol and now in this front. The guy is awesome. He has guts.
2.2 million Ukrainians quit Ukraine. That’s deserting. How many more are internally refugees?
Another optimistic '80s movie song I like is "Never Say Die" by King Cobra for the movie Iron Eagle, which probably should be considered like Delta Force, an Israeli propaganda film intended to make young American's aggressive toward Arabs.
When I was around 8 or 9, I remember several people telling me I looked like JFK, which I find unsettling, as I think he was a weird-looking guy, and I don't understand how I could have looked like him as a boy. Later, in my teens, I think I was told I look like the drummer from U2, which I can't really see either. Fact is, I don't think I have a double anywhere in the world, unless I was secretly cloned.Replies: @silviosilver
Oh the tv show. Umm, not that I can remember, and I am usually highly sensitive to this sort of thing – although, again, I’ve only watched some five episodes.
I can take a gay character as long as he or his gayness is merely in the background, and even then the most I can take is a momentary direct reference to it (and I’d probably never watch that film again). “Strong” female characters don’t bother me, although recent ones – especially in “hero” roles – have me rolling my eyes every few minutes. A tranny in any capacity, I’d immediately switch it off.
I could see (I think) the direction the plot was going, and I thought it was being nicely set up. If you weren’t a fan of the movie, you probably wouldn’t care to watch, but if you were, the tv show should hold your interest.
I don’t know – I’m not Ukrainian. Maybe I should learn, though.
They have earned their glory, though, and they don’t need me to give it to them.
One of the creepier things I’m seeing on the alt right is this attempt to deny the Ukrainians their heroism and sacrifice, and assure them that they are merely pathetic children who can’t possibly know their own minds, and they, American alt righters, know much better that Ukrainians are being manipulated, and their chosen leader who they’ve rallied around and been inspired by, is actually manipulating them etc etc.
I mean, it’s ok to support Russia – not really, you’d have to be pretty cretinous and dumb, but I can see some kind of retarded right wing argument of the kind that Putin represents an attractive alternative to Global Liberalism etc that we would all prefer to live in lol.
Deluded, but ok, some people can’t help being retarded (and as someone who deeply wants to see the current Woke Materialism replaced by a much better spiritual vision, if Putin is your more appealing alternative than you have a serious, serious, serious PR problem – and not just a PR problem, but a philosophical problem lol).
But why do the alt righters always do the ignoble and low-class trashy thing – why are their moral instincts always so reliably trashy – when it comes to how they talk about Ukrainians dying for their beliefs.
I mean, a little self-overcoming, a little respect for your enemy, is actually noble.
Is that a "win" worth fighting for? It is not that Ukrainians don't "know their own minds", it is just they do not understand the end game that "victory" will bring.Replies: @AaronB
But praise amounts to social rhetoric. It is meant to encourage outcomes, or to gain status by riding someone's coattails. People called Islamic terrorists "cowards", not because they believed that, but because it would be socially malign or imprudent to praise them.
We must remember that rhetoric leads to policy, else why would policy-makers (many very odious people) be full of praise for this abstract spiritual quality called "bravery?" Who amongst these pols praising Ukrainian sacrifice would have praised the men of the Easter Rising, if it happened today? I'll answer: none because it would be against their goals and their masters.Replies: @AaronB
I have to say that I go with Russia on this one. Both sides are being atrocious in generating propaganda, naturally.
I am aganostic on the bioweapons. There were 11 sites in Soviet times. The US started to pay to have the stockpiles destroyed in 2005. Some may have been missed, deliberately hidden by Ukrainians. Pharam testing is a big indutry in Ukraine. So some of the labs are still active in pharma.
No way does Ukraine make chemical weapons with ammonia. Russia does. The ammonia plant is in Samara. It is the world’s biggest. There was a pipeline to Odessa (maybe Mariupol, I forget) where there was a urea (fertilizer) factory. That was closed in 2014 post war. A new pipeline was built to a place near Taganarog. Ammonia is very energy intensive to make. Ukraine could not make industrial quantities. They couldn’t afford the energy. A chemical weapon based on ammonia will be Russian whatever the propaganda claims.
The term "Trumpist" is also wholly incorrect in terms of lingustics. The MAGA movement is much larger than a single individual. "Christian Populist" is much more accurate identification.
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A hard decoupling will be the 2nd Great Leap Backwards for the PRC. If Xi and his CCP Elites wish to starve millions of Chinese peasants to death... There is little the civilized world can do to intervene.
America is food independent. Energy independence is also easy for the U.S. once the science deniers are moved out. It will not be painless, but a hard decoupling will lead to long term prosperity.
PEACE 😇Replies: @iffen, @Yellowface Anon
Screechers gonna screech.
The State Department decides when a hard decoupling will start, and Not-your-President Brandon/Blinken are testing the water with Russia, to be extended to China when the cost to global trade is clear. It won’t be stopped even if the stock market loses 70% of the value overnight and Soviet-style shortages pop up all over the West – causing the largest famine in human history doesn’t stop them from cutting off potential Russian grain exports by severing Russian finance’s links to the American-led economic order. Good luck.
Everyone rational expects Not-The-President Biden's directives to be rapidly & 100% reversed. His puppeteers lack the power to do much of anything. They could not even arrange a few MiG's for Ukraine. If the CCP Elites start a unilateral decoupling, Xi will deliver the largest famine in human history to China's workers. Ukraine is likely to have one or more poor harvests due to combat operations. Russia cannot supply all of the calories that China is currently importing from America.
PEACE 😇Replies: @Yellowface Anon
Here is a Christian Populist demonstrating the total lack of influence wielded by Not-The-President Biden's regime: (1) �
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Serious leaders are equally dismissive of the heir apparent.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/10/during-presser-poland-president-andrzej-duda-politely-scolds-secretary-blinken-for-making-up-green-light-fighter-jet-story/
I do care more about Europeans as an abstract.
Do you have a problem with that? Good for you.
And yes, I particularly care for white Europeans. Indeed, of my 6 favourite people in the world, all are very white and all but one has light eyes and light hair. Is that morally wrong???
You can call that racist stuff, or just, you know, having a family.
I also know in my heart that every living being deserves love and compassion, but not being God, I recognise that my affection is limited and idiosyncratic. Shocking, I know!
One thing however that I am not limited in, for whatever reason, is my ability to be honest with myself. Whereas it seems that you are extremely limited in this regard. Go back, read my comment and ask yourself how come your view of geopolitics corresponds just so perfectly with your personal emotional life.
Lol, how absurd.
But don't worry. Your life was actually important and well lived. You just can't see it. Nonetheless, you needed to learn what you are in the process of learning, slowly, and you'll have such a great feeling of existence when you eventually realise it, at the near end of your this lifetime or perhaps next.
(Btw, Anatoly, I made this point about Beckow prior to seeing the news about Kanye. I promise. Pretty funny. If you want to do sterling work as a Russian propagandist you should advise that they follow online keywords like "cheap whisky", "misery" and, perhaps rather hopefully for them, "Viagra.")Replies: @Beckow
Spare us your old lady psycho-babble. You didn’t answer my points because you have no answer. That is worse than deflection, that is in effect a capitulation.
We all seem to care more Europe, so do I – but that doesn’t mean that murdering non-Europeans is not even noticed. You try desperately to ignore it, not to see it, reaffirming all the worst stereotypes about Europeans. Well, at least about elderly women semi-retarded Europeans.
I would remind you that Serbs are Europeans – the attack on Serbia by NATO was what started this unfortunate chain of events. Didn’t that bother you?
I have no idea who Kenya is, do you mean the country? You seem to live in your own head, no rules, no context, no deflections, no other viewpoints.
Russia will have a pyrrhic victory even if they can fully mobilize and throw conscripts at Ukraine, and leverage their export position.
Even a Gay and Nazi country has resolve when facing existential threat, and Russians aren’t facing the Gays, but the Nazis. Export embargoes and bans hurt both the supplier and consumer.
Opinions are not so malleable when blood is involved. Putin has managed to even lose eastern Ukrainians to Russia for a generation.
Blood is thicker than water, but so is shit.
The Ukrainian people could have avoided this by giving a little autonomy to the Donbass and pledging military neutrality.
It is so simply and obvious that we must look for a reason why it was not done.
Dem Jews?Replies: @AP
Patrick Lancaster is also reporting from there and he’s still on youtube.
https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1502175213563219969Replies: @Blinky Bill
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbjTWVaRx6jMN5ZYgbqe2_w
for instance
Ukraine War: In Search Of Life In Ghost Towns Near Donetsk Airport (Very Sad) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b01GZoiYjaQ
Anti Ukraine DPR Evacuates Key City (Debaltsevo) By Train. (Family Members Left Behind) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX6FACY_50s
Russia & DPR Take Control Of Volnovakha (Update)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V0ygeTGh7k
and many others. He also interviews people in Russian - there are English subtitles.
People show how their homes have been destroyed by shelling by Ukraine Banderist nationalists
Excess food calories are produced in America. Higher fertilizer prices may slightly reduce output, however the average American girth shows that the nation is nowhere near a food shortage. (1)
Spot shortages of specific SKU’s are not even panic buying. Multinational BigAg firms weaved a supply chain heavily reliant on shipping. Overreaction to the CCP’s WUHAN-19 virus generated port restrictions. Most of the products missing from shelves tie back to this. (1)
MAGA Reindustrialization is America’s long term solution to avoiding disruptions when unreliable foreign suppliers fail to deliver.
Europe needs something similar. For example, weaning itself from unreliable natural gas suppliers. It would be best to do this gradually, but Europe could survive a hard decoupling.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/09/global-governments-begin-warning-of-critical-food-shortages/
I heard they are farm raised in fetid conditions in Indonesia fed on a diet of expired off brand Doritos.
Gross.Replies: @iffen
fed on a diet of expired off brand Doritos.
That’s where that after taste in the Flavor Blasted Xtra Cheddar comes from!
Opinions are not so malleable when blood is involved.
Blood is thicker than water, but so is shit.
The Ukrainian people could have avoided this by giving a little autonomy to the Donbass and pledging military neutrality.
It is so simply and obvious that we must look for a reason why it was not done.
Dem Jews?
How would you (or the regular American people) like it if the Mexican parts of the USA were given special autonomous status and given the right to veto national policies that they didn't like? One of the two main pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine, Vadim Rabinovich, is Jewish:
http://d39raawggeifpx.cloudfront.net/styles/16_9_desktop/s3/articleimages/bnePeople_Ukraine_Vadim_Rabinovich__For_LIfe_political_party_leader_wiki.jpg_7_Cropped.jpgReplies: @iffen, @iffen, @Wokechoke
They have earned their glory, though, and they don't need me to give it to them.
One of the creepier things I'm seeing on the alt right is this attempt to deny the Ukrainians their heroism and sacrifice, and assure them that they are merely pathetic children who can't possibly know their own minds, and they, American alt righters, know much better that Ukrainians are being manipulated, and their chosen leader who they've rallied around and been inspired by, is actually manipulating them etc etc.
I mean, it's ok to support Russia - not really, you'd have to be pretty cretinous and dumb, but I can see some kind of retarded right wing argument of the kind that Putin represents an attractive alternative to Global Liberalism etc that we would all prefer to live in lol.
Deluded, but ok, some people can't help being retarded (and as someone who deeply wants to see the current Woke Materialism replaced by a much better spiritual vision, if Putin is your more appealing alternative than you have a serious, serious, serious PR problem - and not just a PR problem, but a philosophical problem lol).
But why do the alt righters always do the ignoble and low-class trashy thing - why are their moral instincts always so reliably trashy - when it comes to how they talk about Ukrainians dying for their beliefs.
I mean, a little self-overcoming, a little respect for your enemy, is actually noble.Replies: @Justvisiting, @songbird, @Coconuts
I think what you are actually seeing on the “alt right” is the belief that a Ukraine “win” will leave the country a vassal of the US and Western Europe, looted by western plutocrats, flooded with third world immigration, and dominated by Big Tech censorship.
Is that a “win” worth fighting for? It is not that Ukrainians don’t “know their own minds”, it is just they do not understand the end game that “victory” will bring.
What does - mildly - annoy me is what seems to me the slimy and trashy way they go about it. But that's more or less how they do everything.
It's possible to support Russia, while respecting Ukraine.
Honestly, I can't see how Putin's Russia represents something better than Woke Materialism - moreover, I think Russia is increasingly a materialistic culture like the West.
And I agree that Ukraine allying with the Woke West is a serious spiritual danger - but I have a feeling they will weather it.Replies: @Justvisiting, @Barbarossa
The State Department decides when a hard decoupling will start, and Not-your-President Brandon/Blinken are testing the water with Russia, to be extended to China when the cost to global trade is clear. It won't be stopped even if the stock market loses 70% of the value overnight and Soviet-style shortages pop up all over the West - causing the largest famine in human history doesn't stop them from cutting off potential Russian grain exports by severing Russian finance's links to the American-led economic order. Good luck.Replies: @A123, @A123
There is an easy solution. If you want the screeching to stop. All you have to do is stop shilling and screeching for your precious Xi. Are you related to Godfree Roberts?
Incorrect. The CCP will unilaterally decide if a hard decoupling will occur.
Everyone rational expects Not-The-President Biden’s directives to be rapidly & 100% reversed. His puppeteers lack the power to do much of anything. They could not even arrange a few MiG’s for Ukraine.
If the CCP Elites start a unilateral decoupling, Xi will deliver the largest famine in human history to China’s workers. Ukraine is likely to have one or more poor harvests due to combat operations. Russia cannot supply all of the calories that China is currently importing from America.
PEACE 😇
No one decides upon decoupling now because it will be a sectoral cascade event with a poorly recognized starting point. I singled out Russian sanctions as a possible starting point. If China hard decoupled, they could immediately run full trains with grain from Russia at rock-bottom prices - no longer any unilateral sanctions to appease. Servicing China will be enough for Russia's grain exports.
Brandon's handlers have all the power to manage things, and when it's Trump's handlers' turn again, they will keep the parts suiting their agenda and shelve the rest. No total reversal of directives relating to foreign policy. They hold back MiGs because Putin will nuke wherever airport they are transferred in Poland, which will trigger NAT Article 5 and start WWIII proper. They have decided not to escalate to the level of all-out military confrontation.
No peace for you.Replies: @A123
Inadvertently the Ukrainian boasts about knocking out tanks here and there indicates the actual positions of the Russian advances. It’s easy enough to track live Russian positions by looking at specific hamlets Ukrainians tweet from and cross checking that on the Google map. Janes also have a map which is proprietary. But that shows Kremenchuk bridge in the Center of Ukraine under attack by the land units of the Russians. It’s hard to believe but it’s also possible given their reckless abandon in comparison to a casualty conscious British or American Army.Replies: @AP
When food and people regularly come in and out of the city then the city is not blocked or surrounded. Even if a small Russian group pushes in some direction before getting destroyed.
Here is where the Russians were earlier today:
As you can see, the city was far from surrounded.
I spoke to my cousin who lives in the city. Her grocery store was full today, she bought some meat, bread and even pet food. So yes, things are going into the city, there is not yet a siege. Soldiers are also coming in. Her neighborhood is quiet, though just in case she sleeps in the corridor, away from windows.
OTOH Bucha (a NW suburb) where I also have cousins is a nightmare. Most got out after the early battles but there is one couple there being used as human shields by the Russians. We lost touch for a few days but were able to make contact yesterday. No safe way out. It is a nightmare.
Any further evidence of this supposed land attack? This supposedly happened March 7 and then not a trace of this attack upon the Kremenchuk bridge. Looks like it did not occur.
Currently, they are driving groups of tanks on the roads to Kiev. They are staying only on roads. This is the Northern roads are blockaded, not the land. This convoy has driven to North East city near Kiev, then returns after artillery.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1501873146818969610If they had continued to drive further, there would be kilometers of forest next to roads before entering Kiev, where they could be target of infantry with panzerfaust, etc. So, who knows what the mission is? Reconnaissance? Strangely, this convoy includes a TOS-1 which would create such a large explosion to destroy the convoy, if it would be hit. Yet they added this TOS-1 to mix along with the tanks. It also include T72A which was constructed in 1970s Nizhny Tagil. https://twitter.com/raging545/status/1501860337691377667
So, these convoys driving near to Kiev are not showing currently the more modern vehicles. Although, in terms of the protection, the old T-72 is at least an improvement from those BMDs going for suicide drives in the early days.Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke
Blood is thicker than water, but so is shit.
The Ukrainian people could have avoided this by giving a little autonomy to the Donbass and pledging military neutrality.
It is so simply and obvious that we must look for a reason why it was not done.
Dem Jews?Replies: @AP
Russia demanded that the autonomous territory be given veto power over the rest of the country’s policies. No country would tolerate that. It would mean EU off the table and Ukraine either forced into Eurasia or in its unaffiliated limbo that led to impoverishment after the USSR split up (in contrast to every one of its neighbors who linked to the EU and who got a lot wealthier by doing so). Majority of Ukrainian people rejected this.
How would you (or the regular American people) like it if the Mexican parts of the USA were given special autonomous status and given the right to veto national policies that they didn’t like?
One of the two main pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine, Vadim Rabinovich, is Jewish:
Black Americans have a veto power over who the Democratic Presidential nominee will be. That translates into a more or less 50% veto over who will be the American President.
“Heroim slava”, of course.
The way world events have been shaping up in the last eight years (Russia and Ukraine were of paramount importance even for Trump’s presidency), I’m afraid that you either have had to learn that Ukrainian slogan and have some hope of understanding what’s going on or you haven’t and are at the mercy of MSM propaganda.
In any case, it’s good to see that AK accepts that he was wrong in part of his predictions due to the stubborn resistance of the Ukrainians but it seems clear that the Kremlin had similar expectations and this miscalculation is likely to have strategic consequences beyond the simple timeline of events.
You know that things have become dicey for the Russians when even Colonelcassad’s telegram channel includes posts that criticize the Russians’ military incompetence and attributes part of the responsibility for civilian losses to them.
Gen. Ben Hodges: “I Believe That Ukraine Is Going To Win”
But if numbers were a significant factor, the much larger Near Eastern empires would have been much more culturally influential, and that tiny peninsula jutting out of the Western half of Asia would not have been the greatest cultural influencer in the history of the world :)
As for the early Christians, they achieved dominance on a timescale far too small for fertility patterns to play a significant role - assuming they even did have better fertility.
I am starting to read an interesting book called "The Patient Ferment" about the early Christians and how they spread - the thesis of the book is that the early Christians lived in a visibly more appealing way - they were, at least at first, really more loving, harmonious, kind, cheerful than their pagan neighbors, who at that late date in antiquity were often very corrupted in their personal and sexual lives, and who had lost their zest for life and were attached to uninspiring philosophies of "consolation", such as Stoicism and Epicureanism that were about reducing pain rather than living joyously.
That being said, I'm not suggesting there is some kind of absolute division between spirit and the physical - in fact the two are closely interlinked.
Spiritual health and physical health and flourishing go hand in hand! And one of the first indicators of a corrupt or dying spirituality is physical breakdown, as we are seeing today.
However, the relationship is one that is "non-obvious", in that prioritizing physical survival as the materialist does actually makes one less good at surviving long term - and making power and wealth your priority, likewise, makes flourishing and ultimate survival less certain.
Because as the oldest and truest spiritual adage has it - you must give up your life to save it.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird
There were two big reasons according to the person I know who studied the history the longest. He was doing a history PhD but then he bagged that and went to another school to become a minister.
1. Rome had an epidemic of demonic possession. The Christians were really skilled at exorcising demons.
2. The morals of middle class Romans had begun to imitate the upper classes in terms of drinking and promiscuity. The Christians had exemplary family values. Whether their theology made the greatest sense or not, people wanted to be like them.
The most popular preacher in Houston is Joel Osteen. He is a complete charlatan but he is great at marketing. People go to his church by the thousands because they want to be like Joel Osteen. Stoicism and Empiricism and Neoplatonism and Hermetism may have competed for thinkers, but most of the people were illiterate.
It was a whole way of life, not based on competitive aggression, and so very unlike the basic principles of pagan life, and also obviously more joyous and optimistic in a deep sense than offered by the popular pagan philosophies.
Ultimately, by their fruits shall you judge them.
The fact is, there is a sort of "eternal Way" that may be summarized by the Sermon On The Mount, but appears in different forms in all the religions, and that mankind is continually straying from towards self-aggrandizement, but that to follow is the path to deeply rooted flourishing.
Periodically, one needs a "realignment" to bring us back into accord with the Way, after having strayed too far.
We are obviously in such a time today.
The first individuals and small groups who reject the dominant culture and return to the Way, will inevitably attract attention as they live obviously happier and more joyous lives, and flourish in ways that people in the dominant culture don't - these people will serve as catalysts for change.
The history of early Christianity is an excellent template for this.
Ultimately, no one wants to be miserable - no one looks at Karlin or Chieh and says, wow, they seem so happy I want to be like them lol - or looks at the alt-right and thinks, yeah, these ego-monsters seem so happy and flourishing let me join - but people are afraid and don't see alternatives.
So at first, small groups and individuals must provide lived evidence of the alternatives, that are seeds. That's why probably the most important thing any of us can do really is live rightly well, and not necessarily expend much effort "convincing" anyone of anything - argument and discussion can be fun, but lived example is transformative.Replies: @A123
Here is where the Russians were earlier today:
https://i.imgur.com/UqBPudc.jpg
As you can see, the city was far from surrounded.
I spoke to my cousin who lives in the city. Her grocery store was full today, she bought some meat, bread and even pet food. So yes, things are going into the city, there is not yet a siege. Soldiers are also coming in. Her neighborhood is quiet, though just in case she sleeps in the corridor, away from windows.
OTOH Bucha (a NW suburb) where I also have cousins is a nightmare. Most got out after the early battles but there is one couple there being used as human shields by the Russians. We lost touch for a few days but were able to make contact yesterday. No safe way out. It is a nightmare. Any further evidence of this supposed land attack? This supposedly happened March 7 and then not a trace of this attack upon the Kremenchuk bridge. Looks like it did not occur.Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry
It’s that janes map. To be fair I didn’t believe that. However Those highways to the west are cut.
The way world events have been shaping up in the last eight years (Russia and Ukraine were of paramount importance even for Trump's presidency), I'm afraid that you either have had to learn that Ukrainian slogan and have some hope of understanding what's going on or you haven't and are at the mercy of MSM propaganda.
In any case, it's good to see that AK accepts that he was wrong in part of his predictions due to the stubborn resistance of the Ukrainians but it seems clear that the Kremlin had similar expectations and this miscalculation is likely to have strategic consequences beyond the simple timeline of events.
You know that things have become dicey for the Russians when even Colonelcassad's telegram channel includes posts that criticize the Russians' military incompetence and attributes part of the responsibility for civilian losses to them.Replies: @Wokechoke
Oh I know the phrase.
How would you (or the regular American people) like it if the Mexican parts of the USA were given special autonomous status and given the right to veto national policies that they didn't like? One of the two main pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine, Vadim Rabinovich, is Jewish:
http://d39raawggeifpx.cloudfront.net/styles/16_9_desktop/s3/articleimages/bnePeople_Ukraine_Vadim_Rabinovich__For_LIfe_political_party_leader_wiki.jpg_7_Cropped.jpgReplies: @iffen, @iffen, @Wokechoke
veto power over the rest of the country’s policies. No country would tolerate that
Black Americans have a veto power over who the Democratic Presidential nominee will be. That translates into a more or less 50% veto over who will be the American President.
Is that a "win" worth fighting for? It is not that Ukrainians don't "know their own minds", it is just they do not understand the end game that "victory" will bring.Replies: @AaronB
Fair enough, I’m not really bothered by the fact that the alt right supports Russia.
What does – mildly – annoy me is what seems to me the slimy and trashy way they go about it. But that’s more or less how they do everything.
It’s possible to support Russia, while respecting Ukraine.
Honestly, I can’t see how Putin’s Russia represents something better than Woke Materialism – moreover, I think Russia is increasingly a materialistic culture like the West.
And I agree that Ukraine allying with the Woke West is a serious spiritual danger – but I have a feeling they will weather it.
Reading the US Constitution these days is enough to make an adult cry--almost nothing in the document represents the facts on the ground.Replies: @AaronB
It's quite distressing when they go back to Russia to see family because so many of them want to be hyper-Americanized. My friends give them a hard time because they are more traditional in America than the Russians who are actually in Russia.
My friends certainly were very Americanized for a time since their parents encouraged assimilation. They partied and imbibed pop culture and materialism, but ultimately found it deeply lacking. They saw the shallow flip side to the glittering coin of materialism.
Their Russian family back in the homeland only sees the glittering reflection of material aspiration that Hollywood reflects. They are taken in by the image of breezy convenience, sexiness, and alluring excess. They are taken in by the sales pitch.
Sometimes one only realizes what one has when it's gone, and it takes much longer to build something back than it takes to throw it away.Replies: @AaronB
The trouble with Israel, from the oligarch POV, is that they could wind up with a shitty apartment surrounded by Haredim and no dock space for the yacht. And Florida is overbuilt.Replies: @Dmitry
Israel has space for yachts, but I don’t think will receive some flood of oligarch. Although their families can of course continue moving to the EU or USA.
Sanctions for individual people have been still limited and just on a narrow circle near the political top. They only start to expand slightly from politicians.
EU just begins to sanction some of the most famous Jewish oligarchs e.g. Dmitry Pumpyansky this week. But you know their families and children could still live in the EU. BBC description of new sanctions mentions Pumpyansky and (most of his life Israeli) Vinokurov.
Also not all of the oligarchs are necessarily cynical and trying to exit. Pumpyansky is famous as paying for Jewish events in Ekaterinburg, but it can be because he actually likes it as some religion and culture activity, not just because he needs to escape to Israel.
Israel also has a negative situation in relation to taxes for the wealthy people. It might also have information sharing agreements now with both Western countries and Russia, so I’m doubting it would so good for hiding money there.
Overall, Israel has always been very good for not being attractive for wealthy people. It’s still a leading country for “anti-glamor” and “anti-luxury” in my opinion. Not so much of Monaco there yet. Relatively little even of luxury shops.
Very 'no bullshit' people, like Russians in that respect. Also why their electorate couldn't stand Peres so much, very 'European' style of politician. Of course it can have the flipside of extreme rudeness, but at least you'll almost never get any passive-aggressiveness from them, the opposite of the diaspora.Replies: @Dmitry, @Wokechoke
China cannot destroy US bases in Guam and Japan, unless China would use some kind of tactical nuclear weapons against them.
They are thousands of kilometers from China and the bases would have air superiority.
Missiles with conventional warheads can only create quite limited damage, would be limited numbers of missiles that could fire those conventional warheads at such a distance (that would not be so damaging), and those kind of bases are trained to repair such kind of damage to a airport runway almost immediately.
In my view, the best hope for the PRC in any kind of attempt to take over Taiwan is a highly limited military campaign that results in a swift decapitation and occupation. If PRC starts IJN-like with surprise attacks on US military bases around the Pacific, the former is going to get a lot more than it bargained for, even if it can swiftly defeat and occupy Taiwan. It would an American war-party's wet dream.
Contrary to Karlin's take, I think that Russia's failure to defeat and occupy Ukraine quickly lowered the chance of a prospective Chinese attempt on Taiwan in the near future, rather than raise it.
What the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and now the Russian campaign in Ukraine have demonstrated is that it is a quite the tightrope act these days for a great power to engage in a military campaign of invasion and total control of large territories, all without incurring large casualties or inflaming the locals with significant collateral damage. They certainly strengthen the argument that post-modern military operations should be limited in scope and short in duration.Replies: @Blinky Bill, @utu, @Dmitry
The State Department decides when a hard decoupling will start, and Not-your-President Brandon/Blinken are testing the water with Russia, to be extended to China when the cost to global trade is clear. It won't be stopped even if the stock market loses 70% of the value overnight and Soviet-style shortages pop up all over the West - causing the largest famine in human history doesn't stop them from cutting off potential Russian grain exports by severing Russian finance's links to the American-led economic order. Good luck.Replies: @A123, @A123
Addendum:
Here is a Christian Populist demonstrating the total lack of influence wielded by Not-The-President Biden’s regime: (1)
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Serious leaders are equally dismissive of the heir apparent.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/10/during-presser-poland-president-andrzej-duda-politely-scolds-secretary-blinken-for-making-up-green-light-fighter-jet-story/
On the front we should see the impact of 17,000 anti-tank weapons and several hundreds of Stingers delivered in last week and a new batch of drones from Turkey that was brought to Polish-Ukrainian border two days ago.
Ukrainian propaganda should emphasize battlefield successes more for continued military support rather than Russian atrocities.
The MiG-29 debacle demonstrated that the US does not have what it takes when after publicly egging Poland on to transfer the MiGs to Ukraine it got cold feet when the ball was in its court.
Sanctions are too weak. Germany does everything to do nothing.
Zelensky is right that no-fly zone should be imposed. In the game of nuclear chicken you can't be a chicken by refusing even to enter the game.Replies: @Rich, @Dmitry, @Seaghan, @Veteran of the Memic Wars
Although those are not 17,000 weapons which can destroy a tank. More numerous of those 17,000 weapons going to Ukraine are AT4 and M72 LAW.
AT4 and M72 LAW can be used to destroy things like BMD and BMP. They would probably not be able to destroy tanks regularly, as they are very small weapons.
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Great Britain has given to Ukraine 3615 NLAW, which can destroy any tanks. Ukraine also has received probably a lot of Javelins.
Ukrainians have also some number of domestically designed anti-tank laser guided missiles “Skif” ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skif_(ATGM) ). They have released about a dozen videos showing they are using allegedly this Ukrainian anti-tank missile.
How would you (or the regular American people) like it if the Mexican parts of the USA were given special autonomous status and given the right to veto national policies that they didn't like? One of the two main pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine, Vadim Rabinovich, is Jewish:
http://d39raawggeifpx.cloudfront.net/styles/16_9_desktop/s3/articleimages/bnePeople_Ukraine_Vadim_Rabinovich__For_LIfe_political_party_leader_wiki.jpg_7_Cropped.jpgReplies: @iffen, @iffen, @Wokechoke
Sometimes if you don’t take the half of the loaf you starve.
That’s one thing I’ve always like about Israel, and Israelis in general.
Very ‘no bullshit’ people, like Russians in that respect. Also why their electorate couldn’t stand Peres so much, very ‘European’ style of politician. Of course it can have the flipside of extreme rudeness, but at least you’ll almost never get any passive-aggressiveness from them, the opposite of the diaspora.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK03rbc-eZQ It is one of the reasons why Netanyahu was not popular with secular Ashkenazi elite, as they seemed to break some dying historical taboo against Western materialism
But if numbers were a significant factor, the much larger Near Eastern empires would have been much more culturally influential, and that tiny peninsula jutting out of the Western half of Asia would not have been the greatest cultural influencer in the history of the world :)
As for the early Christians, they achieved dominance on a timescale far too small for fertility patterns to play a significant role - assuming they even did have better fertility.
I am starting to read an interesting book called "The Patient Ferment" about the early Christians and how they spread - the thesis of the book is that the early Christians lived in a visibly more appealing way - they were, at least at first, really more loving, harmonious, kind, cheerful than their pagan neighbors, who at that late date in antiquity were often very corrupted in their personal and sexual lives, and who had lost their zest for life and were attached to uninspiring philosophies of "consolation", such as Stoicism and Epicureanism that were about reducing pain rather than living joyously.
That being said, I'm not suggesting there is some kind of absolute division between spirit and the physical - in fact the two are closely interlinked.
Spiritual health and physical health and flourishing go hand in hand! And one of the first indicators of a corrupt or dying spirituality is physical breakdown, as we are seeing today.
However, the relationship is one that is "non-obvious", in that prioritizing physical survival as the materialist does actually makes one less good at surviving long term - and making power and wealth your priority, likewise, makes flourishing and ultimate survival less certain.
Because as the oldest and truest spiritual adage has it - you must give up your life to save it.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird
We are tempted to make a modern comparison between Italy (60 million) and Greece (10 million), but the germane ancient comparison is that the Greeks had a lot of colonies, spread around the Med, including ones in Italy. Whereas, the early Romans were more or less one city-state or small kingdom, surrounded by various groups that spoke different languages, like the Samnites and Etruscans.
Part of it is geography. In the New World, the Atlantic-facing Euro nations were the influential ones. But part of it may be that the Greeks were militarily dominant in their time. (not necessarily a pure reflection of numbers, like how the German tribes beat Rome, or how Rome beat its early neighbors)
I didn’t mean to downplay the memetic spread of Christianity. I believe that was important in capturing the elite. Though, I do think that it was partly memetic and partly because it encouraged adaptive behavior that increased TFR among its adherents. My impression is that paganism didn’t vanish overnight, but actually took hundreds of years to vanish, in the places that converted, which is why many quaint traditions survive in parts of Europe.
I agree with much of the rest of your comment. What we are seeing today is the mimetic idea of wokeness spread, which is as “contagious” as early Christianity, but which encourages non-adaptive behaviors, unlike early Christianity.
That you're neither woke nor patronized by it clouds your views.
Rich wokes have a low divorce rate & high tfr.
AaronB believes in Greek dominance because Jews are gay. A lot of the Greek stuff is 19th C Euro larping.
- Great Britain has given to Ukraine 3615 NLAW, which can destroy any tanks. Ukraine also has received probably a lot of Javelins.
Ukrainians have also some number of domestically designed anti-tank laser guided missiles "Skif" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skif_(ATGM) ). They have released about a dozen videos showing they are using allegedly this Ukrainian anti-tank missile. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t8yehx/this_is_how_actually_russian_columns_are_being/Replies: @songbird, @Wokechoke
These redit embeds are the worst, IMO, because they often automatically play, when you scroll (at least for me.) Ron should probably change his code to ban them or hide them, as I heavily suspect them of destabilizing these threads even more, pound for pound than the Twitter embeds.
That’s why the return of Donbass to Ukraine was never feasible, even by a successful Operation Storm.
How would you (or the regular American people) like it if the Mexican parts of the USA were given special autonomous status and given the right to veto national policies that they didn't like? One of the two main pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine, Vadim Rabinovich, is Jewish:
http://d39raawggeifpx.cloudfront.net/styles/16_9_desktop/s3/articleimages/bnePeople_Ukraine_Vadim_Rabinovich__For_LIfe_political_party_leader_wiki.jpg_7_Cropped.jpgReplies: @iffen, @iffen, @Wokechoke
Blacks in the US pick the Democratic nominee. It it quite an extraordinary power.
- Great Britain has given to Ukraine 3615 NLAW, which can destroy any tanks. Ukraine also has received probably a lot of Javelins.
Ukrainians have also some number of domestically designed anti-tank laser guided missiles "Skif" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skif_(ATGM) ). They have released about a dozen videos showing they are using allegedly this Ukrainian anti-tank missile. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t8yehx/this_is_how_actually_russian_columns_are_being/Replies: @songbird, @Wokechoke
Let them eat Anti Tank weaponry!
inflame both American and Japanese populations
To be fair, this from Japan Times the other day,
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2022/03/07/commentary/japan-commentary/japan-china-unstable-relationship/
I’ve looked deeply into the Second Sino-Japanese War and take a nuanced view*, but an article about Sino-Japanese relationship that does not mention it at all, and simply refers to “end of World War II”, is fairly material revisionism**.
From our own John Derbyshire:
Even in US textbooks, the First Sino-Japanese War is usually characterized as the nascent move of Japanese imperialism culminating to invasion of China in 1937 and Pearl Harbor. Whereas now Derbs calls it “China surrendered Taiwan to Japan”.
It was Karlin I believe, who suggested that in a decade or so, Western MSM will have fully whitewashed Nazi war crimes against USSR, and Japanese war crimes against China. The latter I’m pretty sure is well on its way.
You can imagine how inflammatory this whitewashing could be to PRC Chinese (the Taiwanese may not care so much). The CCP rather, I think has been restrained, from Global Times: Exclusive: Beijing 2022 a ‘catalyst’ for Japan-China friendship. Needless to say I hope it remains the case.
*It in fact have many parallels to the Russo-Ukrainian War in which the aggressor did not lack decent intentions and whose side should be heard; and which external parties, Soviets and the West, had significant roles.
**The author, Anami Usuke 阿南友亮 would have special appreciation for “end of World War II in August 1945” for it meant for him that his grandfather, War Minister Anami Korechika 阿南惟幾 followed the emperor’s order to surrender, stopped the palace coup, and committed seppuku. So maybe there are complex reasons for his obfuscation.
Here is where the Russians were earlier today:
https://i.imgur.com/UqBPudc.jpg
As you can see, the city was far from surrounded.
I spoke to my cousin who lives in the city. Her grocery store was full today, she bought some meat, bread and even pet food. So yes, things are going into the city, there is not yet a siege. Soldiers are also coming in. Her neighborhood is quiet, though just in case she sleeps in the corridor, away from windows.
OTOH Bucha (a NW suburb) where I also have cousins is a nightmare. Most got out after the early battles but there is one couple there being used as human shields by the Russians. We lost touch for a few days but were able to make contact yesterday. No safe way out. It is a nightmare. Any further evidence of this supposed land attack? This supposedly happened March 7 and then not a trace of this attack upon the Kremenchuk bridge. Looks like it did not occur.Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry
I will write my post about a blockade of Kiev below the MORE tag as I will add some Tweets.
Do you mean a full blockade of Kiev or blockade of roads?
Blockade of the city, to prevent people walking across, with full “cordon” would require 90 battalion tactical groups.
Currently, they are driving groups of tanks on the roads to Kiev. They are staying only on roads. This is the Northern roads are blockaded, not the land.
This convoy has driven to North East city near Kiev, then returns after artillery.
If they had continued to drive further, there would be kilometers of forest next to roads before entering Kiev, where they could be target of infantry with panzerfaust, etc. So, who knows what the mission is? Reconnaissance?
Strangely, this convoy includes a TOS-1 which would create such a large explosion to destroy the convoy, if it would be hit. Yet they added this TOS-1 to mix along with the tanks.
It also include T72A which was constructed in 1970s Nizhny Tagil.
So, these convoys driving near to Kiev are not showing currently the more modern vehicles.
Although, in terms of the protection, the old T-72 is at least an improvement from those BMDs going for suicide drives in the early days.
If the Canadian truckers had the gear theyd have defeated Trudeau for example.
Kiev will starve.Replies: @David Davenport, @Mr. Hack
What does - mildly - annoy me is what seems to me the slimy and trashy way they go about it. But that's more or less how they do everything.
It's possible to support Russia, while respecting Ukraine.
Honestly, I can't see how Putin's Russia represents something better than Woke Materialism - moreover, I think Russia is increasingly a materialistic culture like the West.
And I agree that Ukraine allying with the Woke West is a serious spiritual danger - but I have a feeling they will weather it.Replies: @Justvisiting, @Barbarossa
We Americans may be suffering from “grass is greener” syndrome, but American politics, society and culture are going into the toilet at a very rapid speed–and we would not wish that on anyone–and certainly would not want to fight to spread it to other lands or even to preserve it.
Reading the US Constitution these days is enough to make an adult cry–almost nothing in the document represents the facts on the ground.
I first started travelling 21 years ago. Back then, some countries really were different, and felt very different. India, Thailand, Cambodia. We used to say travel could be a form of time-travel.
That's not the case anymore, or increasingly not. Thailand used to be known as the land of smiles, and used to have a mellow, gracious Buddhist culture. Today, it's people are visibly grumpy and unhappy, and smile less than anywhere in America. Modernity has taken it's toll.
This isn't a cultural issue that one can escape by turning to a different culture. It is modernity itself, and anywhere that has embraced modernity - which is everywhere - is affected.
It's tempting to think that Russia or China or some other place has escaped the hollowing out of modernity, but it's increasingly clear that no one has. You're just getting different flavors.
Currently, they are driving groups of tanks on the roads to Kiev. They are staying only on roads. This is the Northern roads are blockaded, not the land. This convoy has driven to North East city near Kiev, then returns after artillery.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1501873146818969610If they had continued to drive further, there would be kilometers of forest next to roads before entering Kiev, where they could be target of infantry with panzerfaust, etc. So, who knows what the mission is? Reconnaissance? Strangely, this convoy includes a TOS-1 which would create such a large explosion to destroy the convoy, if it would be hit. Yet they added this TOS-1 to mix along with the tanks. It also include T72A which was constructed in 1970s Nizhny Tagil. https://twitter.com/raging545/status/1501860337691377667
So, these convoys driving near to Kiev are not showing currently the more modern vehicles. Although, in terms of the protection, the old T-72 is at least an improvement from those BMDs going for suicide drives in the early days.Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke
All the Russians have to do is sit tanks at the highway/freeway/junctions set up drones and interdict incoming traffic with artillery.
If the Canadian truckers had the gear theyd have defeated Trudeau for example.
Kiev will starve.
But the Russians don't have many drones.
sit tanks at the highway/freeway/junctions ...
Easy targets to find, sitting ducks for Ukrainian drones.Replies: @Wokechoke
https://youtu.be/s0km_4kOeI0Replies: @Wokechoke
Everyone rational expects Not-The-President Biden's directives to be rapidly & 100% reversed. His puppeteers lack the power to do much of anything. They could not even arrange a few MiG's for Ukraine. If the CCP Elites start a unilateral decoupling, Xi will deliver the largest famine in human history to China's workers. Ukraine is likely to have one or more poor harvests due to combat operations. Russia cannot supply all of the calories that China is currently importing from America.
PEACE 😇Replies: @Yellowface Anon
CCP is planning for more autarky as preparation for eventual American hostility – and with even that, top nationalists are warning about premature decoupling: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3161281/china-should-stop-us-decoupling-any-cost-even-humiliation
No one decides upon decoupling now because it will be a sectoral cascade event with a poorly recognized starting point. I singled out Russian sanctions as a possible starting point. If China hard decoupled, they could immediately run full trains with grain from Russia at rock-bottom prices – no longer any unilateral sanctions to appease. Servicing China will be enough for Russia’s grain exports.
Brandon’s handlers have all the power to manage things, and when it’s Trump’s handlers’ turn again, they will keep the parts suiting their agenda and shelve the rest. No total reversal of directives relating to foreign policy. They hold back MiGs because Putin will nuke wherever airport they are transferred in Poland, which will trigger NAT Article 5 and start WWIII proper. They have decided not to escalate to the level of all-out military confrontation.
No peace for you.
Why do you believe that the handlers who accidentally started run away inflation are "all powerful"? To Main Street Americans they look like a joke, though a dangerous one. Which is good thinking. Even if the CCP could obtain 100% of Russia's food exports they would still have a massive shortfall if they received no calories from the U.S.
PEACE 😇
What does - mildly - annoy me is what seems to me the slimy and trashy way they go about it. But that's more or less how they do everything.
It's possible to support Russia, while respecting Ukraine.
Honestly, I can't see how Putin's Russia represents something better than Woke Materialism - moreover, I think Russia is increasingly a materialistic culture like the West.
And I agree that Ukraine allying with the Woke West is a serious spiritual danger - but I have a feeling they will weather it.Replies: @Justvisiting, @Barbarossa
I have some friends who are Russian emigres. They were children when they came over to escape the chaos of the 90’s. They are actually quite interested in practicing traditional Russian culture. They built a sauna which they use religiously, cook many traditional Russian dishes, teach their children Russian etc.
It’s quite distressing when they go back to Russia to see family because so many of them want to be hyper-Americanized. My friends give them a hard time because they are more traditional in America than the Russians who are actually in Russia.
My friends certainly were very Americanized for a time since their parents encouraged assimilation. They partied and imbibed pop culture and materialism, but ultimately found it deeply lacking. They saw the shallow flip side to the glittering coin of materialism.
Their Russian family back in the homeland only sees the glittering reflection of material aspiration that Hollywood reflects. They are taken in by the image of breezy convenience, sexiness, and alluring excess. They are taken in by the sales pitch.
Sometimes one only realizes what one has when it’s gone, and it takes much longer to build something back than it takes to throw it away.
The problem is this very same culture - modernity - is really taking off everywhere in the world that is even semi-developed. It's a global phenomenon now, and will have to be overcome everywhere. There is a theory that modernity was a necessary part of our spiritual evolution as a species - that we had to taste the emptiness of a life based entirely on materialism, the pain of such a life, to return to a fuller and richer way of living and truly appreciate it better.
Tradition, once dismantled, will be hard to build back - but it will be rebuilt on a renewed connection to nature, which is what traditional cultures are at their best, attempts to live in conformity to nature.
I think human cultures have a tendency to drift too far from nature, to become corrupt and artificial, and need constant return and revitalization from the Source.
Very 'no bullshit' people, like Russians in that respect. Also why their electorate couldn't stand Peres so much, very 'European' style of politician. Of course it can have the flipside of extreme rudeness, but at least you'll almost never get any passive-aggressiveness from them, the opposite of the diaspora.Replies: @Dmitry, @Wokechoke
There is also pretending to avoid too much luxury, because publicly Israel is still supposed to have a quasi-socialist, self-sacrificing mentality, despite living nowadays (since the 1990s) in a more neoliberal society.
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Israeli bourgeoisie are still supposed to drive small modest cars (this might be slowly changing).
Millionaires are supposed to drive Hyundai. Cultural pressure is still to try to pretend to be poorer than you are. People are still supposed to enjoy wearing shabby clothes. Israelis really like to be sit on the floor on the road (like Indians?), and don’t seem to care making trousers dirty with the streetdust.
They are supposed to ignore personal appearances. Girls should be more masculine, not obsessing about beauty, just wearing comfortable but not formal clothes.
Why Israeli people sit their on ass in the middle of the road, is some kind of secret of their culture. It’s not my imagination, but YouTubers are talking about it as well. (https://youtu.be/6OO9ohgDWpI?t=118)
But I’m guessing this is mostly cultural legacy of the 1950s austerity, kibbutz, pioneer youth groups, universal military conscription, etc. The cultural programming is that people should not be fussy about getting street dust on their clothes.
I don’t see how the pretension of this culture can survive though. Israel is already a situation where the cultural superstructure will be shifting to match the economic base of neoliberal capitalism.
Netanyahu and his wife tried to rebel against the fake Israeli socialist attitude, to embrace more upper class neoliberal aesthetics and lifestyle, like to smoke luxury cigars, to drink expensive wines, to give Israeli citizenship to his wealthy friends like Australian oligarch James Packer.
Also made Netanyahu unpopular with the secular Ashkenazim, was his wife’s unembarrassed materialism.
In later years of Netanyahu rule in Israel, Netanyahu’s wife was complaining about their Prime Minister house, because it was too shabby for her. At the same time they invite people like Trump or Putin, or famous oligarchs, to drink tea in their shabby Prime Minister house.
In a cause célèbre, she made a television section, about how shabby her house was, inviting interior designers to criticize it. It looks like a kind of normal students’ house, not so bad.
It is one of the reasons why Netanyahu was not popular with secular Ashkenazi elite, as they seemed to break some dying historical taboo against Western materialism
Very 'no bullshit' people, like Russians in that respect. Also why their electorate couldn't stand Peres so much, very 'European' style of politician. Of course it can have the flipside of extreme rudeness, but at least you'll almost never get any passive-aggressiveness from them, the opposite of the diaspora.Replies: @Dmitry, @Wokechoke
You remind me of Yekoumian in Black Mischief.
… and NATO is entirely non-aggressive to you.
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Actually, the lesson for China should've been pretty straight forward. It is to make preparations, more preparations. And if it is made to align with general development instead of a bunker attitude, then it should be settled. The other parties can do not much at all.Replies: @Yellowface Anon
Far more preparations, and knocking the priority of military reunification down to a very low place. Diplomatically nudging things and winning hearts and minds in Taiwan have been the strategy since 1992 and there is nothing that will change this direction, save American blunders that force China pay the cost before a potential attack (e.g. broad sanctions like Russia) or Taiwanese provocations.
They have earned their glory, though, and they don't need me to give it to them.
One of the creepier things I'm seeing on the alt right is this attempt to deny the Ukrainians their heroism and sacrifice, and assure them that they are merely pathetic children who can't possibly know their own minds, and they, American alt righters, know much better that Ukrainians are being manipulated, and their chosen leader who they've rallied around and been inspired by, is actually manipulating them etc etc.
I mean, it's ok to support Russia - not really, you'd have to be pretty cretinous and dumb, but I can see some kind of retarded right wing argument of the kind that Putin represents an attractive alternative to Global Liberalism etc that we would all prefer to live in lol.
Deluded, but ok, some people can't help being retarded (and as someone who deeply wants to see the current Woke Materialism replaced by a much better spiritual vision, if Putin is your more appealing alternative than you have a serious, serious, serious PR problem - and not just a PR problem, but a philosophical problem lol).
But why do the alt righters always do the ignoble and low-class trashy thing - why are their moral instincts always so reliably trashy - when it comes to how they talk about Ukrainians dying for their beliefs.
I mean, a little self-overcoming, a little respect for your enemy, is actually noble.Replies: @Justvisiting, @songbird, @Coconuts
Bravery is bravery regardless of whether it is praised, ignored, or denounced.
But praise amounts to social rhetoric. It is meant to encourage outcomes, or to gain status by riding someone’s coattails. People called Islamic terrorists “cowards”, not because they believed that, but because it would be socially malign or imprudent to praise them.
We must remember that rhetoric leads to policy, else why would policy-makers (many very odious people) be full of praise for this abstract spiritual quality called “bravery?” Who amongst these pols praising Ukrainian sacrifice would have praised the men of the Easter Rising, if it happened today? I’ll answer: none because it would be against their goals and their masters.
Thank goodness these Roman softies treated Christians with kid gloves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Roman_Empire#
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocletianic_Persecution
Silviosilver exaggerates, there were real persecutions of Christians and their position was frequently precarious during the first three centuries, but it wasn't non-stop on the level of Diocletian's persecution either.Replies: @silviosilver
If the Canadian truckers had the gear theyd have defeated Trudeau for example.
Kiev will starve.Replies: @David Davenport, @Mr. Hack
All the Russians have to do is sit tanks at the highway/freeway/junctions set up drones
But the Russians don’t have many drones.
sit tanks at the highway/freeway/junctions …
Easy targets to find, sitting ducks for Ukrainian drones.
But the Russians don't have many drones.
sit tanks at the highway/freeway/junctions ...
Easy targets to find, sitting ducks for Ukrainian drones.Replies: @Wokechoke
Ah but they do theirs are like DIVEBOMBERS. Quite interesting design. They loiter then lock onto a target and plunge in. 500lb warheads. Ao. They also have Kornets with a range of around 3,000 yards.
But praise amounts to social rhetoric. It is meant to encourage outcomes, or to gain status by riding someone's coattails. People called Islamic terrorists "cowards", not because they believed that, but because it would be socially malign or imprudent to praise them.
We must remember that rhetoric leads to policy, else why would policy-makers (many very odious people) be full of praise for this abstract spiritual quality called "bravery?" Who amongst these pols praising Ukrainian sacrifice would have praised the men of the Easter Rising, if it happened today? I'll answer: none because it would be against their goals and their masters.Replies: @AaronB
I understand all that that – but those are all merely “modern ideas”.
Modernity values “efficiency” above all, and praising an enemy isn’t the most efficient path to victory, so we do not affirm any higher moral values.
But there are much more important spiritual values involved. Older cultures would absolutely praise bravery in an enemy – medieval fighters would show the most elaborate courtesy and respect to their foes.
In fact, one is distinguished by having a brave foe. But in modern times, our enemies must always be cowardly and evil. This diminishes us.
By disconnecting ourselves from higher values in this fashion, and affirming efficiency instead, we diminish ourselves and make ourselves smaller. This is not nothing – it is a step on a path that ultimately leads to collapse in higher values, i.e, “modernity”.
Respecting an enemy manifests a higher, more comprehensive moral and spiritual vision, and affirms ourselves as anchored in higher values, not mere selfishness – this ultimately increases our self-respect, our morale and motivation, our sense of not merely being selfish and self-centered but serving a “higher power”, which all leads to a healthy culture and human flourishing.
Spiritual health is essential for human flourishing, and requires us to serve a “higher power”, and not merely our petty selves. It is our “petty selves” that wants to humiliate an enemy.
In the recent Israeli war in Gaza, Palestinians committed some very brave – but doomed – actions that earned them the praise of Israeli generals and commanders. They did not small-mindedly deny their enemy the admiration they had earned.
The Arab and Muslim enemies of Israel have not to my knowledge yet been able to express praise for Israeli bravery – although I may be wrong about this – but one sees that their culture is not flourishing.
As for the 9/11 terrorists, they attacked civilians, not opposing warriors – the weakest link – and their action was knowingly suicidal. These two factors detract heavily from any claim to moral admiration. I don’t think brave is the correct word for reckless suicide, but on the plus side one might admire their dedication to their cause and willingness to die for it. Even here, it’s good to recognize what is worthy of admiration.
Anyways, if we are to overcome modernity and recover spiritual, moral, and ultimately physical health, we will have to get past these merely modern ideas that all center around efficiency, and recover a mindset in which affirming higher values takes precedence, and where the seemingly “irrational” may actually be obeying a deeper rationality.
Modernity is at bottom superficial and stops at the merely obvious – the physical, the material, the fact. But there is a deeper law that we must recover – we cannot anymore remain stupidly superficial like this.
Maybe, it is inherently harder in modern times. First of all, we are broadly at peace. Secondly, because the conflicts that we fight tend to be asymmetric. In the first Gulf War, Iraqis surrendered to spotting drones used by battleships (used in WW2 but refurbished) ten miles away. And people who don't surrender, tend to take cover, to plant IEDs because it would be suicidal to engage on a frontline. Not a lot, practically nothing (maybe the Chinese and Indians in the Himalayas?) is man-to-man.
But there is another side to it too. As our society has become more feminized, the word "hero" has become debased. Whereas, before men were called heroes for rushing into burning buildings. Kids are called heroes for dialing 911. Maybe, those stories are necessary to popularize the service and keep in people's minds? But I think it also applies to other things. Rather than being stinting with praise, sometimes I think we are too profligate.Replies: @AaronB, @Barbarossa
It seems to me that deriding the worth of your foe speaks to a certain inadequacy in your own societal self-conception. Insecurity in one's own position makes it necessary to dehumanize and minimize the worth of opposition.
In pre-modern times we didn't have such existential doubts about the virtue of our cause. The Roman vs. Carthaginian wars were justified by the very fact that your culture and traditions, ancestors, and family demanded that you prevail. The deepest loyalties cried from the very soil to urge one on. Nowadays, those cultural anchors are all gone, replaced by empty propaganda and derision.Replies: @AP, @AaronB, @Yahya
Yes. A terrible thing is that most of the Ukrainian public still wants Donbas back.
Currently, they are driving groups of tanks on the roads to Kiev. They are staying only on roads. This is the Northern roads are blockaded, not the land. This convoy has driven to North East city near Kiev, then returns after artillery.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1501873146818969610If they had continued to drive further, there would be kilometers of forest next to roads before entering Kiev, where they could be target of infantry with panzerfaust, etc. So, who knows what the mission is? Reconnaissance? Strangely, this convoy includes a TOS-1 which would create such a large explosion to destroy the convoy, if it would be hit. Yet they added this TOS-1 to mix along with the tanks. It also include T72A which was constructed in 1970s Nizhny Tagil. https://twitter.com/raging545/status/1501860337691377667
So, these convoys driving near to Kiev are not showing currently the more modern vehicles. Although, in terms of the protection, the old T-72 is at least an improvement from those BMDs going for suicide drives in the early days.Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke
Yasnohorodka is now occupied by 3 BTG. Check the villages around that area now.
That’s really not correct. They only seem to have that power when the party establishment wants them to have it and uses them for that purpose. There were used in that way to have Biden defeat Sanders. You’d have a hard time finding any example of their having that power otherwise.
In last several presidential primaries, there were definitely some serious moments of ideological and electoral tension between white liberals/Hispanics on the one hand and blacks on the other in the Democratic Party.Replies: @Ron Unz
It's quite distressing when they go back to Russia to see family because so many of them want to be hyper-Americanized. My friends give them a hard time because they are more traditional in America than the Russians who are actually in Russia.
My friends certainly were very Americanized for a time since their parents encouraged assimilation. They partied and imbibed pop culture and materialism, but ultimately found it deeply lacking. They saw the shallow flip side to the glittering coin of materialism.
Their Russian family back in the homeland only sees the glittering reflection of material aspiration that Hollywood reflects. They are taken in by the image of breezy convenience, sexiness, and alluring excess. They are taken in by the sales pitch.
Sometimes one only realizes what one has when it's gone, and it takes much longer to build something back than it takes to throw it away.Replies: @AaronB
I was reading that it’s quite common for immigrants from traditional cultures who have fallen for the shiny allure of America to eventually come to realize the emptiness at the heart of American life, it’s loneliness, it’s materialism.
The problem is this very same culture – modernity – is really taking off everywhere in the world that is even semi-developed. It’s a global phenomenon now, and will have to be overcome everywhere.
There is a theory that modernity was a necessary part of our spiritual evolution as a species – that we had to taste the emptiness of a life based entirely on materialism, the pain of such a life, to return to a fuller and richer way of living and truly appreciate it better.
Tradition, once dismantled, will be hard to build back – but it will be rebuilt on a renewed connection to nature, which is what traditional cultures are at their best, attempts to live in conformity to nature.
I think human cultures have a tendency to drift too far from nature, to become corrupt and artificial, and need constant return and revitalization from the Source.
On the front we should see the impact of 17,000 anti-tank weapons and several hundreds of Stingers delivered in last week and a new batch of drones from Turkey that was brought to Polish-Ukrainian border two days ago.
Ukrainian propaganda should emphasize battlefield successes more for continued military support rather than Russian atrocities.
The MiG-29 debacle demonstrated that the US does not have what it takes when after publicly egging Poland on to transfer the MiGs to Ukraine it got cold feet when the ball was in its court.
Sanctions are too weak. Germany does everything to do nothing.
Zelensky is right that no-fly zone should be imposed. In the game of nuclear chicken you can't be a chicken by refusing even to enter the game.Replies: @Rich, @Dmitry, @Seaghan, @Veteran of the Memic Wars
Speaking of subhuman, aren’t you Polish?
It seems like the dumb Poles, who are the biggest parasites on Western Europe and the EU, are also the biggest Russo-phobic maniacs throughout this whole episode and are obsessed with trying to embroil the whole world in a wider conflict. Freeloading Russia-hating Poles are the cause of most of Europe’s problems.
“Friends get to know each other in trouble, ha ha ha…”
If the Canadian truckers had the gear theyd have defeated Trudeau for example.
Kiev will starve.Replies: @David Davenport, @Mr. Hack
Perhaps, but at some point you’ve got to try to go forward and try to become offensive. Today, Russian tank movements towards Kyiv (26 tanks including missile launchers) resulted in destruction and most of the tanks were either destroyed, captured or had to retreat, 16 miles outside of the capital:
Yeah the Democrats and negroes have a really bizarre love-hate relationship. Biden promised them a black woman and negroes f’n hate Kamala Harris. His whole attitude at that time and many other occasions was like:
what are you going to do about it?
The only people who think Kamala is black are Republicans and media mouths. It will be hilarious if a Real Black Democrat decides to run in 2024, Biden is out, and RBD calls out Harris to her face in a debate. If Trump was a black Democrat he would say something to her like the closest you’ve ever been to black is sucking on it.
Surely, you're not doubting or denying the wholesale bombing of civilian apartment buildings, houses, churches, medical centers, businesses that have been occurring right from the very beginning of this disastrous war?Replies: @Wokechoke, @Veteran of the Memic Wars
You might not be ready for the adults’ table.
Take patients out put fighters in now it’s a legitimate target.
Keep patients in put fighters in who shoot out now it’s a legitimate target.
I am aganostic on the bioweapons. There were 11 sites in Soviet times. The US started to pay to have the stockpiles destroyed in 2005. Some may have been missed, deliberately hidden by Ukrainians. Pharam testing is a big indutry in Ukraine. So some of the labs are still active in pharma.
No way does Ukraine make chemical weapons with ammonia. Russia does. The ammonia plant is in Samara. It is the world's biggest. There was a pipeline to Odessa (maybe Mariupol, I forget) where there was a urea (fertilizer) factory. That was closed in 2014 post war. A new pipeline was built to a place near Taganarog. Ammonia is very energy intensive to make. Ukraine could not make industrial quantities. They couldn't afford the energy. A chemical weapon based on ammonia will be Russian whatever the propaganda claims.Replies: @Mr. Hack
How do you feel overall about the conflict? There are good reasons to favor the underdog in this one, Remember Rocky IV? The underdog had a “Burning Heart” that helped him overcome his much bigger and musclebound Russian superman. Who would have thought??……
Even if the steam roller starts to move again (when the mud dries?) and wins by sheer numbers (the time honoured Russia way), the cost will be going up. The Ukrainians know their positions and strategies now. The Ukrainians have very equipment for a very solid infantry defence and a large amount of offensive equipment donated by Russia. As mentioned above, even if all 900,000 members of the Russian military attack they will just impede each other for the time being.
They can win militarily in NovoRossiya at enormous cost. Will it be enough to keep Putin in office? Does Putin matter? Putin is the head of an Orthodox fascist cult with at least 1.5m followers: the siloviki and senior officers. Any replacement will still be from this cult. They could brood on this for 25 years rather than change tack. China won't support them once they run out of money. Economically, Russia will live in the 1980s at best.
Russian will not wholly win. Ukraine will not wholly lose. EU growth will be blocked. The US and China will be the big winners. India will not invade Kashmir. China will be slower to invade Taiwan than it was. Turkey will be a little winner in Central Asia and Syria.Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @sudden death, @Mr. Hack
“Brave” has a positive connotation, and “coward” a negative connotation, so it is understandable why people called them “cowards”, though the meaning doesn’t quite match. I guess there may have been an idea that they were zealots and trading their lives for eternal pleasure, which has a sensual element to it, which is morally suspect, in itself, beyond the great crime of harming innocents.
Good point, I think it also encourages masculinity, in one’s peers and sons, to praise one’s foe.
Maybe, it is inherently harder in modern times. First of all, we are broadly at peace. Secondly, because the conflicts that we fight tend to be asymmetric. In the first Gulf War, Iraqis surrendered to spotting drones used by battleships (used in WW2 but refurbished) ten miles away. And people who don’t surrender, tend to take cover, to plant IEDs because it would be suicidal to engage on a frontline. Not a lot, practically nothing (maybe the Chinese and Indians in the Himalayas?) is man-to-man.
But there is another side to it too. As our society has become more feminized, the word “hero” has become debased. Whereas, before men were called heroes for rushing into burning buildings. Kids are called heroes for dialing 911. Maybe, those stories are necessary to popularize the service and keep in people’s minds? But I think it also applies to other things. Rather than being stinting with praise, sometimes I think we are too profligate.
But I think such claims always end up being premature. In the 2006 war in Lebanon, the Israeli army had been transitioning to a "post-heroic" battle doctrine that prioritized technology and especially the air force, and ground forces were neglected, poorly trained, poorly equipped, and poorly motivated - expected to play a marginal role.
It didn't work. As the war wore on disastrously, it was gradually discovered that nothing but good old fashioned heroism on the part of infantry would do the trick.
We are certainly trying to transition to a dehumanized society of mere technique, where human qualities play no significant role - but I don't think this will ever truly happen. Each step in this direction, makes us sicker, and closer to collapse, and is thus self defeating.
I am sure in this war there are many examples of exemplary personal bravery on both sides.
Sure, the term heroism has become greatly debased, and it would be worthwhile to restore robust standards for that word.
But the really important thing is to restore all these "old notions" that modernity has abandoned in it's infinite wisdom. I don't mean simply returning to tradition - I don't think it's possible to ever go back, because we're different now. But instead of just discarding traditional concepts, as we've done, we can reexamine them, and revitalize them, by holding them up to the light of Nature and truth.Replies: @songbird
While honor was a foundational concept through practically all of civilization (even when it was ignored) it is completely absent today. It has practically become an embarrassment to bring it up.
If one brings up concepts of honor in any conversation (at least in my experience) one is greeted by confusion, as if the concept is so archaic and foreign that they don't know what to do with it. In other words, we just don't think in those terms anymore.
As AaronB is saying, and I think our Sikh commenters would concur, a world without honor is a spiritually sick world of well armed worms blasting away at each other.Replies: @silviosilver
On the front we should see the impact of 17,000 anti-tank weapons and several hundreds of Stingers delivered in last week and a new batch of drones from Turkey that was brought to Polish-Ukrainian border two days ago.
Ukrainian propaganda should emphasize battlefield successes more for continued military support rather than Russian atrocities.
The MiG-29 debacle demonstrated that the US does not have what it takes when after publicly egging Poland on to transfer the MiGs to Ukraine it got cold feet when the ball was in its court.
Sanctions are too weak. Germany does everything to do nothing.
Zelensky is right that no-fly zone should be imposed. In the game of nuclear chicken you can't be a chicken by refusing even to enter the game.Replies: @Rich, @Dmitry, @Seaghan, @Veteran of the Memic Wars
Retard-tier. Russian anti-aircraft systems would have a field day picking NATO planes out of the sky from just outside the Ukrainian borders. And rightly so.
Russians would be right to sink a few carrier groups while they were at it.
Western media plays deliberately obtuse, keeps echoing this retarded “no fly zone” shit from the Ukrainians, and I guess we can add you to the list. All retards. Fuck you, go sign up and fight yourself, we don’t want to fight a nuclear war to save one kleptocracy from another, kthxbye.
Rocky IV had a very good soundtrack. I also like “Hearts on Fire” and “No Easy Way Out.”
If I were Putin and US or NATO genuinely tried that “no fly” shit in Ukraine – all-in, not toe in water – I’d nuke Kiev. I’d give ’em 24 hours warning to pack their shit up and go, and then I’d nuke Kiev if they refused.
Maybe, it is inherently harder in modern times. First of all, we are broadly at peace. Secondly, because the conflicts that we fight tend to be asymmetric. In the first Gulf War, Iraqis surrendered to spotting drones used by battleships (used in WW2 but refurbished) ten miles away. And people who don't surrender, tend to take cover, to plant IEDs because it would be suicidal to engage on a frontline. Not a lot, practically nothing (maybe the Chinese and Indians in the Himalayas?) is man-to-man.
But there is another side to it too. As our society has become more feminized, the word "hero" has become debased. Whereas, before men were called heroes for rushing into burning buildings. Kids are called heroes for dialing 911. Maybe, those stories are necessary to popularize the service and keep in people's minds? But I think it also applies to other things. Rather than being stinting with praise, sometimes I think we are too profligate.Replies: @AaronB, @Barbarossa
Yes, it does seem that the age of “heroic” warfare has passed and been replaced by the age of mere military technique.
But I think such claims always end up being premature. In the 2006 war in Lebanon, the Israeli army had been transitioning to a “post-heroic” battle doctrine that prioritized technology and especially the air force, and ground forces were neglected, poorly trained, poorly equipped, and poorly motivated – expected to play a marginal role.
It didn’t work. As the war wore on disastrously, it was gradually discovered that nothing but good old fashioned heroism on the part of infantry would do the trick.
We are certainly trying to transition to a dehumanized society of mere technique, where human qualities play no significant role – but I don’t think this will ever truly happen. Each step in this direction, makes us sicker, and closer to collapse, and is thus self defeating.
I am sure in this war there are many examples of exemplary personal bravery on both sides.
Sure, the term heroism has become greatly debased, and it would be worthwhile to restore robust standards for that word.
But the really important thing is to restore all these “old notions” that modernity has abandoned in it’s infinite wisdom. I don’t mean simply returning to tradition – I don’t think it’s possible to ever go back, because we’re different now. But instead of just discarding traditional concepts, as we’ve done, we can reexamine them, and revitalize them, by holding them up to the light of Nature and truth.
I guess that would be a pretty far cry from medieval times, when the elite were martial families, that had their own hereditary traditions, and which in Ireland (and I suppose other places?) had their own battle cries, which often involved shouting the family name, or the name of an old (and common) ancestor.
Reading the US Constitution these days is enough to make an adult cry--almost nothing in the document represents the facts on the ground.Replies: @AaronB
It’s a largely global phenomenon, not limited to America.
I first started travelling 21 years ago. Back then, some countries really were different, and felt very different. India, Thailand, Cambodia. We used to say travel could be a form of time-travel.
That’s not the case anymore, or increasingly not. Thailand used to be known as the land of smiles, and used to have a mellow, gracious Buddhist culture. Today, it’s people are visibly grumpy and unhappy, and smile less than anywhere in America. Modernity has taken it’s toll.
This isn’t a cultural issue that one can escape by turning to a different culture. It is modernity itself, and anywhere that has embraced modernity – which is everywhere – is affected.
It’s tempting to think that Russia or China or some other place has escaped the hollowing out of modernity, but it’s increasingly clear that no one has. You’re just getting different flavors.
Destroy or no, firing on US bases in Guam and Japan would be sheer insanity on the part of the PRC.
In my view, the best hope for the PRC in any kind of attempt to take over Taiwan is a highly limited military campaign that results in a swift decapitation and occupation. If PRC starts IJN-like with surprise attacks on US military bases around the Pacific, the former is going to get a lot more than it bargained for, even if it can swiftly defeat and occupy Taiwan. It would an American war-party’s wet dream.
Contrary to Karlin’s take, I think that Russia’s failure to defeat and occupy Ukraine quickly lowered the chance of a prospective Chinese attempt on Taiwan in the near future, rather than raise it.
What the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and now the Russian campaign in Ukraine have demonstrated is that it is a quite the tightrope act these days for a great power to engage in a military campaign of invasion and total control of large territories, all without incurring large casualties or inflaming the locals with significant collateral damage. They certainly strengthen the argument that post-modern military operations should be limited in scope and short in duration.
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I agree with this in general, but it is also true that blacks have an outsized political influence in the Democratic Party, particularly in regards to presidential primaries, due to the primary scheduling. Even in absence of such scheduling peculiarities, blacks are a significant and a fairly cohesive constituency in the Democratic Party.
In last several presidential primaries, there were definitely some serious moments of ideological and electoral tension between white liberals/Hispanics on the one hand and blacks on the other in the Democratic Party.
Normally, Sanders' wins in the first three races would have made him unstoppable, but since the Democratic establishment and its MSM allies didn't like him, they said otherwise, and since the MSM creates reality, especially among Democrats, that was decisive. There was also all sorts of quasi-cheating in Iowa to suppress Sanders' numbers. The political dynamics is that the Democratic Party elites are mostly Neolibs/Neocons, while rank-and-file Democrats are overwhelmingly opposed to those ideological positions. So the elites need to use all sorts of tricks to stay in control, made easier by their control of the MSM.
Unlike other groups, blacks tend to focus mostly on racial issues, and partly for that reason they're easier for the Democratic elites to manipulate. Black leaders are also generally easier to buy off. Given Biden's track record, there was no logical reason for blacks to support him, but the elites decided he was their best shot at stopping Sanders, so they got several black leaders to endorse him, and the black voters overwhelmingly went along with it.
I can't think of a single time when blacks have gotten their way in the Democratic Party on an issue the elites opposed and cared about. They mostly use blacks and black issues as a camouflage and a distraction, much like all the corporate CEOs support "woke" issues.
So its mostly the Democratic elites vs. the Democratic base, with the blacks used as cannon-fodder by the former.Replies: @Justvisiting, @A123, @Twinkie
In my view, the best hope for the PRC in any kind of attempt to take over Taiwan is a highly limited military campaign that results in a swift decapitation and occupation. If PRC starts IJN-like with surprise attacks on US military bases around the Pacific, the former is going to get a lot more than it bargained for, even if it can swiftly defeat and occupy Taiwan. It would an American war-party's wet dream.
Contrary to Karlin's take, I think that Russia's failure to defeat and occupy Ukraine quickly lowered the chance of a prospective Chinese attempt on Taiwan in the near future, rather than raise it.
What the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and now the Russian campaign in Ukraine have demonstrated is that it is a quite the tightrope act these days for a great power to engage in a military campaign of invasion and total control of large territories, all without incurring large casualties or inflaming the locals with significant collateral damage. They certainly strengthen the argument that post-modern military operations should be limited in scope and short in duration.Replies: @Blinky Bill, @utu, @Dmitry
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I came across a very true comment - Putin managed to do what Ukrainian nationalists had failed to do in 30 years - convince even Eastern Ukrainians that Bandera was correct about the Russians.Replies: @sudden death, @utu, @Anatoly Karlin, @Pharmakon, @Twinkie
This is correct. After the events of 2014, unwittingly, Putin became the godfather of present day Ukrainian ultra-nationalism. Now, he is trying to correct this huge mistake of his by becoming the undertaker of Ukrainian ultra-nationalism. The only other person (that I’m aware of) who created or erased nationalities, with a stroke of a pen, is Comrade Stalin.
Be well!
https://youtu.be/s0km_4kOeI0Replies: @Wokechoke
These clips just show the viewers where the Russians have advanced toward. I think that you’ve watched too much American footage of American ops in the Middle East. This is a real war between Europeans. This is the real thing.
In my view, the best hope for the PRC in any kind of attempt to take over Taiwan is a highly limited military campaign that results in a swift decapitation and occupation. If PRC starts IJN-like with surprise attacks on US military bases around the Pacific, the former is going to get a lot more than it bargained for, even if it can swiftly defeat and occupy Taiwan. It would an American war-party's wet dream.
Contrary to Karlin's take, I think that Russia's failure to defeat and occupy Ukraine quickly lowered the chance of a prospective Chinese attempt on Taiwan in the near future, rather than raise it.
What the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and now the Russian campaign in Ukraine have demonstrated is that it is a quite the tightrope act these days for a great power to engage in a military campaign of invasion and total control of large territories, all without incurring large casualties or inflaming the locals with significant collateral damage. They certainly strengthen the argument that post-modern military operations should be limited in scope and short in duration.Replies: @Blinky Bill, @utu, @Dmitry
Yes, China will put “unification” with Taiwan on the back burner.
I came across a very true comment - Putin managed to do what Ukrainian nationalists had failed to do in 30 years - convince even Eastern Ukrainians that Bandera was correct about the Russians.Replies: @sudden death, @utu, @Anatoly Karlin, @Pharmakon, @Twinkie
Thanks for the kind words, but I am pretty sure there are some commenters (and definitely readers) who are quite knowledgeable in military affairs.
As I mentioned in another comment, employing military forces in these post-modern days, especially for larger powers, is quite a balancing act that requires a high degree of competence in force projection/operations all the while managing casualty levels and collateral damage and avoiding horrendous headlines, which are almost inevitable and enormously difficult to avoid/cover-up.
I have a few follow-up thoughts:
1. Those who seem excited about further shipments of ATGMs and MANPADs to Ukraine, I think you should temper your expectations. Employing ATGMs in open terrain is to invite a quick death, and they are far more potent if used in relatively close ranges (not even close to the listed maximum ranges) against vehicle columns that enter chokepoints without effective infantry screens. I suspect the Russian military learned its lessons and won’t be giving away easy wins to the Ukrainians employing ATGMs in the future.
2. Similarly, MANPADs become very effective when aircraft are forced to fly low and slow (that’s why transport helicopters are the most perfect targets for MANPADs). Indeed, if the defenders still have a functioning integrated air defense system that can intercept aircraft that fly fast and high, MANPADs can be quite effective. In absence of that, however, the utility of MANPADs declines significantly.
3. One of the biggest differences for the U.S. forces in Desert Storm and OIF was that, in the first war, we had uncontested control of the highways behind the frontlines once the Iraqi military units either retreated or were destroyed whereas, in the second war, the Iraqi troops did not confront our mechanized thrusts, but dispersed and contested the control of the highways by attacking soft targets such as re-supply trucks. Later, of course, various militias and terrorist groups rose up and likewise made traveling along the transportation arteries hazardous. I wonder to what extent this pattern will replicate in Ukraine. It’s one thing to rally around their president while he is alive and functioning and still commands some semblance of a conventional force, but how likely is it that there is for Ukrainians a a) a plan B for widespread guerilla action and b) spontaneous rise of militias that attack the Russian forces?
4. I am watching with great interest in how the Russians intend to enter and control the cities. Urban fighting is very different from fighting on natural terrains. It is much more three-dimensional, the environment is far more chaotic and dirty (once a city is even partly damaged and maintenance/sanitation systems collapse, it becomes incredibly filthy very quickly), and there is substantially higher, almost unavoidable, likelihood of collateral damage and civilian suffering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_War
The comparison is to the Iraqi military's decision to mostly avoid contesting the US military's entry into the country. Its decision to mount an insurgency was wise, given the US tendency to avoid taking the traditional and brutal, but effective, measures to crush insurgencies via large scale exile (e.g. Siberia) or massacre. Whereas the Russians are certainly not averse to such measures, killing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians during an earlier insurgency just after WWII.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army#End_of_UPA_resistance
Bottom line is that it's unclear a Ukrainian insurgency could survive Russian atrocities, which is why its conventional force may need to win outright.Replies: @Twinkie
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Was anybody doing polls in USA around 1939-40 about attitudes towards Nazi Germany? It seems to me there was no any wholesale unity either, cause racial hierarchy ideology, including Jew hatred at the top, probably was not very repulsive (to put it mildly) at all to significant share of US population then too.
Interesting nuance. But that primary in the South really is decisive and it’s the black electorate doing it every time.
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Trump’s favorite Taiwan comparison was to point to the tip of one of his Sharpie’s and say, ‘This is Taiwan,’ then point to Resolute [his desk in the Oval Office] and say, ‘This is China’.
It was very much a modern adaptation of the David and Goliath story, for the modern world, wouldn’t you say? And it’s a very good metaphor for the war we have today between Russian and Ukraine. People all over the world are very much impressed with the valiant struggle that the Ukrainians are putting up against this much larger and well equipped adversary. How the 12th round will end up is still open and to be decided.
We were discussing the dramatic “I Claudius” series before this unfortunate war started. I presume that you finally finished watching it, and I’m curious to know what you ended up thinking about it?
I think the best pure underdog story in the series is the first one. I've never been able to wrap my head around how the first Rocky movie seems fairly sophisticated (won oscar) and Stallone wrote it, but he also wrote the rather unsophisticated Expendables movies, which I thought were terrible, and I like action movies. To tell you the truth, so far I have still only seen the first episode. Haven't really watched anything else, with the exception of the first season (very short) of the Mandalorian, which I hate-watched, as a critique of current mass culture. (and I barely finished it)
I did finish that book you recommended though and thought it was quite good. I think it is nearly right up there with The Royal Road to Romance by Richard Halliburton, which is my favorite travel book of all time. It is also kind of uncanny how the story starts and ends in Detroit, and the author is pretty free in the use of his language, as we would consider it now.Replies: @Mr. Hack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4mVFTR1KrMReplies: @Seaghan
Europeans once surrendered tend to behave. The idea of an Arab style insurgency while tantalising is about as tantalising as the Werewolf idea post Reich. It may remain out of reach.
Ever heard of post-1944 years long anti-Soviet insurgency in Ukraine while having no any direct borders and supplies from the West? All the Soviet nightmares and insecurities about scary banderites are coming exactly from that time, Arab style insurgency is child’s play compared with this.
Don’t forget Estonia.
Remember that, besides the Forest Brothers of Volyn, they also have this phenomenon of Machnovschina in their culture (of course, they were anarcho reds, but just the sheer ability to organize from below and act independently is quite remarkable, and, of course, it is stunning to see a white warlord in the 21st century). They have territorial defense and they're currently in the process of mobilizing more. There are apparently more volunteers than rifles available. But, of course, we're not at that point yet -- the VSU will first go into a counter offensive.
Перемогаемо.
Peace through victory.
Incidentally, I think that Victoria Nuland's disastrous mistake in admitting the existence of those Ukrainian biolabs greatly strengthens the case I've been making that the global Covid outbreak was the result of an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), as I just pointed out in a short column:
https://www.unz.com/announcement/ukraine-and-biowarfare-conspiracy-theories/
Over the last two years, I've accumulated a massive amount of evidence in favor of my hypothesis and the only argument anyone has ever been able to make on the other side is that even rogue elements of the Trump Administration couldn't possibly have done something so extremely reckless and foolish.
Well, the fact that they apparently set up deadly biowarfare labs right on Russia's border also seems pretty reckless and foolish...Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Blinky Bill
Indeed, the failed blitzkrieg means that the Ukrainians can entrench in the cities. Bomb them, starve them, or Stalingrad them; it won’t look pretty for the Russians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnMXh4GynP8Replies: @Blinky Bill
I certainly have. Although that was more Galicia than Kharkov, Crimea or Kiev.
Don’t forget Estonia.
Several days old RF field diversionist veteran Strelkov’s short assesment of the offensive operations in Ukraine with English subtitles:
https://youtu.be/0ol803uuerw
The questions are: Can the Russian military achieve that without leveling the cities? Will Putin prefer that option to being perceived as a loser? Will the West resist the mounting public pressure to intervene when the media reports an even worse carnage of civilians?
Another interesting and measured article by Richard Hanania arguing why Russia is most likely to win in the end:
https://www.metaculus.com/notebooks/10226/why-forecasting-war-is-hard/Replies: @sudden death
1. Rome had an epidemic of demonic possession. The Christians were really skilled at exorcising demons.
2. The morals of middle class Romans had begun to imitate the upper classes in terms of drinking and promiscuity. The Christians had exemplary family values. Whether their theology made the greatest sense or not, people wanted to be like them.
The most popular preacher in Houston is Joel Osteen. He is a complete charlatan but he is great at marketing. People go to his church by the thousands because they want to be like Joel Osteen. Stoicism and Empiricism and Neoplatonism and Hermetism may have competed for thinkers, but most of the people were illiterate.Replies: @AaronB
I don’t think it could have just been limited to good family values. No doubt the pagans also had stable families.
It was a whole way of life, not based on competitive aggression, and so very unlike the basic principles of pagan life, and also obviously more joyous and optimistic in a deep sense than offered by the popular pagan philosophies.
Ultimately, by their fruits shall you judge them.
The fact is, there is a sort of “eternal Way” that may be summarized by the Sermon On The Mount, but appears in different forms in all the religions, and that mankind is continually straying from towards self-aggrandizement, but that to follow is the path to deeply rooted flourishing.
Periodically, one needs a “realignment” to bring us back into accord with the Way, after having strayed too far.
We are obviously in such a time today.
The first individuals and small groups who reject the dominant culture and return to the Way, will inevitably attract attention as they live obviously happier and more joyous lives, and flourish in ways that people in the dominant culture don’t – these people will serve as catalysts for change.
The history of early Christianity is an excellent template for this.
Ultimately, no one wants to be miserable – no one looks at Karlin or Chieh and says, wow, they seem so happy I want to be like them lol – or looks at the alt-right and thinks, yeah, these ego-monsters seem so happy and flourishing let me join – but people are afraid and don’t see alternatives.
So at first, small groups and individuals must provide lived evidence of the alternatives, that are seeds. That’s why probably the most important thing any of us can do really is live rightly well, and not necessarily expend much effort “convincing” anyone of anything – argument and discussion can be fun, but lived example is transformative.
Establishment lackeys of dominant culture mislabel it "Trumpist". Most cannot grasp that MAGA is more important than any individual. Some fear it undermines their aspirations for total indoctrination society.
Efforts to crush MAGA are doomed to fail because its goal is transformive... A return to traditional values, hope, & joy.
PEACE 😇Replies: @AaronB
Peace & violence are relative ie higher crime rates among christians & muslims over centuries.
Secularize Paganism & declare temples public goods = take bricks from them freely
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Yahya can cry about being white or peaceful monotheism. In the end, the Sword rules. Pagan or Jew
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Russia really has several options. It looks like LDNR will be fully liberated and the huge UkroNazi units in the cauldrons in the south completely destroyed. Russia could probably also liberate Odessa and the entire Black Sea coast of Ukraine all the way to Transnistria. All the other actions in and around Kharkov and Kiev make sense so as to keep the Ukrainian armed forces occupied and prevent any reinforcement of their units in the south which are facing certain annihilation, even at the cost of some Russian and civilian losses. Once the south has been secured and the UkroNazis in that region destroyed, Russia can decide what to do next: perhaps fight some more to liberate some more territory from the UkroNazis, go for an all out liberation of Kharkov, Kiev and other regions of eastern Ukraine at some greater cost to its own forces, total occupation of Ukraine including Lvov and Galicia at yet greater cost to its forces, or just pull back from Kiev as it did from Tbilisi in Georgia in 2008 but keeping the southern region and cutting off Ukraine’s access to the sea. Also it could combine negotiations for this withdrawal from Kiev with some significant concessions and guarantees from the Ukraine regime. It really has so many options and at a minimum it would have achieved its goal of liberating LDNR and securing its population from Ukrainian threats. Anything else would just be a bonus. How anyone can possibly talk about Russia’s defeat in Ukraine is preposterous. It’s a win all the way, any which way.
I agree with much of the rest of your comment. What we are seeing today is the mimetic idea of wokeness spread, which is as "contagious" as early Christianity, but which encourages non-adaptive behaviors, unlike early Christianity.Replies: @sher singh
Early christianity had its high tfr elites & crazy folk just like wokeness today.
That you’re neither woke nor patronized by it clouds your views.
Rich wokes have a low divorce rate & high tfr.
AaronB believes in Greek dominance because Jews are gay. A lot of the Greek stuff is 19th C Euro larping.
By the metric of the stunning German conquest of France even the sad Russian Airforce is doing alright.
The Luftwaffe lost 1,450 aircraft in the Battle of France. A further 400 were written off. That’s 28% lost and 36% combined lost/damaged. That’s with a campaign considered a classic demonstration of Airsupremacy.
The Strategic Institutes of War Understanding and Atlanticist Obtuseness estimate that the Russian Airforce lost 5% of strength over two weeks. That’s with a failure to achieve mere Air Superiority.
Maybe they should be bombing and strafing harder.
The post about a BTG having a frontage of 1km is insanely retarded.
Infantry disperses because mortars are a thing.
5m is better, and setting up checkpoints isn’t difficult. Rifles can also reach out to ~300m.
5000 men with proper support & shoot to kill orders would be enough for the majority of traffic.
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Looks like quite realistic map atm:
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The north bank of the lower Dneiper looks promising. Should cut off Dneipropetrovsk given a little time.
Infantry disperses because mortars are a thing.
5m is better, and setting up checkpoints isn't difficult. Rifles can also reach out to ~300m.
5000 men with proper support & shoot to kill orders would be enough for the majority of traffic.
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They only need to stop vehicles entering the city, with provisions. Not difficult.
They have earned their glory, though, and they don't need me to give it to them.
One of the creepier things I'm seeing on the alt right is this attempt to deny the Ukrainians their heroism and sacrifice, and assure them that they are merely pathetic children who can't possibly know their own minds, and they, American alt righters, know much better that Ukrainians are being manipulated, and their chosen leader who they've rallied around and been inspired by, is actually manipulating them etc etc.
I mean, it's ok to support Russia - not really, you'd have to be pretty cretinous and dumb, but I can see some kind of retarded right wing argument of the kind that Putin represents an attractive alternative to Global Liberalism etc that we would all prefer to live in lol.
Deluded, but ok, some people can't help being retarded (and as someone who deeply wants to see the current Woke Materialism replaced by a much better spiritual vision, if Putin is your more appealing alternative than you have a serious, serious, serious PR problem - and not just a PR problem, but a philosophical problem lol).
But why do the alt righters always do the ignoble and low-class trashy thing - why are their moral instincts always so reliably trashy - when it comes to how they talk about Ukrainians dying for their beliefs.
I mean, a little self-overcoming, a little respect for your enemy, is actually noble.Replies: @Justvisiting, @songbird, @Coconuts
But this is very likely to happen once a cause is ostentatiously adopted by the GAE and Western progressives, the alt-right will tend to crudely counter signal Liberal expressions of moral indignation, outrage and so on.
Outside of the alt-right, one of the sharper British conservative commentators made some interesting comments about the history of the concept of patriotism, drawing parallels between what can be observed in Ukraine and British cultural history, and pointing out that the patriotic and nationalistic feeling probably inspiring Ukrainian resistance is the kind of thing Western progressives otherwise harshly condemn and are constantly trying to deconstruct.
It seems likely that in terms of the structure and form of their political beliefs if not the national content, many Ukrainians resemble the Russians much more than anything from the Anglo world, and within the EU, they are closer to the conservative wing of Polish or Hungarian politics, or AfD or Vox in Spain, the kind of politics identified by progressives as ‘Fascist threats to core EU democratic values’.
This means one of the creepiest things might be the scale and intensity of virtue signalling by the GAE around the conflict, because it likely isn’t motivated by interest in or direct concern for the Ukrainians as such, but because Russia just challenged GAE political/military hegemony in Europe.
As you note, Ukraine itself with it's patriotism and willingness to fight represents something that the right should find highly sympathetic, making this a much more complex situation than any simple crude binary. Honestly my consumption of news in general is severely limited, but just from reading blogs and writers I like I get the impression that you are correct and there is an insane, massive outpouring of demonization of Russians and hysterical anti-Russian sentiment, which is obviously wrong and terrible.
I am sure you are correct that the West is primarily motivated by fury that a power with (seemingly) different values is challenging it's hegemony in a core area, Europe.
In a way, the alt-right and the mainstream are two sides of the same coin.
I would ultimately like to see some genuine "third way" thinking that rejects the Western mainstream while at the same time not falling for political systems and cultures that in different ways are as bad, like Russia or China.
Why is it so difficult for us to have something genuinely intelligent?
When that kind of political thinking starts to seriously emerge we will be making headway towards a new culture - already, some people are discussing how left/right no longer really makes sense anymore.
https://www.eurasiareview.com/11032022-what-russia-desires-oped/
Secularize Paganism & declare temples public goods = take bricks from them freely
https://web.archive.org/web/20160304070043/http://mosmaiorum.org/persecution_list.html
Yahya can cry about being white or peaceful monotheism. In the end, the Sword rules. Pagan or Jew
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Sam Colt rules.
https://youtu.be/kQKrmDLvijoReplies: @sudden death
https://twitter.com/jvalaaa/status/1480780305132781569?s=20
Shock and Disbelief is natural.
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iirc actually white Southerners were most pro-intervention, which isn’t too surprising given their martial culture and high degree of British ancestry. But of course the South was also the most explicitly racist part of the US then, so the divisions don’t really align with what one would expect given today’s dominant interpretation of WW2.
Antisemitism is in large parts a hate for intellectual and economic elites or maybe for the "economic middlemen". Anti-black racism is quite the opposite: it is a hate for people who are seen as rather poor and economical useless.Replies: @LondonBob
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Triumph_of_faith_by_Eugene_Thirion.jpgReplies: @German_reader
Diocletian’s persecution was really the only determined and somewhat coordinated effort by the Roman state to destroy Christianity, but even it was probably only partially enforced in the Western provinces. Before the 250s persecutions were intermittent and local. Trajan ordered Pliny when he was provincial governor in Asia minor to execute Christians if they didn’t recant, but not to go actively looking for them. Empire-wide persecutions only happened for the first time in the 250s (probably as a side effect of a general order to participate in sacrifice), but they were ended by emperor Gallienus in the early 260s. There then was a 40-year period, in which Christianity wasn’t exactly legal, but during which Christians weren’t persecuted (which probably facilitated the spread of Christianity, leading to Diocletian’s reaction, and making it all the more shocking because it was so unexpected after the previous 40 years of de facto toleration).
Silviosilver exaggerates, there were real persecutions of Christians and their position was frequently precarious during the first three centuries, but it wasn’t non-stop on the level of Diocletian’s persecution either.
There was a qualitative difference between Rome's efforts to contain Christianity and Christianity's efforts to extirpate pagans. That this extirpation was carried out over a century or so shouldn't obscure the determination that Christians had to cleanse their lands of pagans.
This eventually reached a point where one was simply not permitted to be a pagan. You couldn't pay your obeisances and be on your way, as Christians could when they were on the outer. It would have been like being an avowed atheist in Saudi Arabia today. You might get away with it for a while, but eventually the fanatics would get to you.Replies: @sher singh, @German_reader
The world’s 2nd biggest army with 71.6% modernised equipment ground and easily won air superiority ground to a halt against little more than token resistance. The only tactic they have left is long distance indiscriminate bomardment. They are already rethinking this a turning Mariupol into a new Grozny or Aleppo is not going to win them the war. They will lost the few friends they have left. So, they are now bringing in mercenaries from Syria and the Central African Republic to do the dangerous house to house fighting necessary to capture cities without indiscrimate shelling. Presumably, Russian troops do not have the stomach for it. The paratroopers did not distunguish themselves.
Even if the steam roller starts to move again (when the mud dries?) and wins by sheer numbers (the time honoured Russia way), the cost will be going up. The Ukrainians know their positions and strategies now. The Ukrainians have very equipment for a very solid infantry defence and a large amount of offensive equipment donated by Russia. As mentioned above, even if all 900,000 members of the Russian military attack they will just impede each other for the time being.
They can win militarily in NovoRossiya at enormous cost. Will it be enough to keep Putin in office? Does Putin matter? Putin is the head of an Orthodox fascist cult with at least 1.5m followers: the siloviki and senior officers. Any replacement will still be from this cult. They could brood on this for 25 years rather than change tack. China won’t support them once they run out of money. Economically, Russia will live in the 1980s at best.
Russian will not wholly win. Ukraine will not wholly lose. EU growth will be blocked. The US and China will be the big winners. India will not invade Kashmir. China will be slower to invade Taiwan than it was. Turkey will be a little winner in Central Asia and Syria.
If China is smart they can set up a SPV where Russian exports are balanced against imports to do business without actual capital movement to be sanctioned: https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/03/how-europe-can-blunt-u-s-iran-sanctions-without-washington-raising-a-finger-humanitarian-spv/
Even if the steam roller starts to move again (when the mud dries?) and wins by sheer numbers (the time honoured Russia way), the cost will be going up. The Ukrainians know their positions and strategies now. The Ukrainians have very equipment for a very solid infantry defence and a large amount of offensive equipment donated by Russia. As mentioned above, even if all 900,000 members of the Russian military attack they will just impede each other for the time being.
They can win militarily in NovoRossiya at enormous cost. Will it be enough to keep Putin in office? Does Putin matter? Putin is the head of an Orthodox fascist cult with at least 1.5m followers: the siloviki and senior officers. Any replacement will still be from this cult. They could brood on this for 25 years rather than change tack. China won't support them once they run out of money. Economically, Russia will live in the 1980s at best.
Russian will not wholly win. Ukraine will not wholly lose. EU growth will be blocked. The US and China will be the big winners. India will not invade Kashmir. China will be slower to invade Taiwan than it was. Turkey will be a little winner in Central Asia and Syria.Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @sudden death, @Mr. Hack
I’ve said China can be hit by hostile secondary and tertiary sanctions because of economic support to Russia. So China might end up with some crucial sectors being paralyzed (e.g. chips) at least in the short term and grow more slowly.
If China is smart they can set up a SPV where Russian exports are balanced against imports to do business without actual capital movement to be sanctioned: https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/03/how-europe-can-blunt-u-s-iran-sanctions-without-washington-raising-a-finger-humanitarian-spv/
https://youtu.be/kQKrmDLvijoReplies: @sudden death
The best sword fetishism humiliation ever produced in 16 seconds, lol 🙂
Shock and disbelief.
That is again all I have to say today.
Do you think the ban hammer will soon fall?
ASBMilitary was eliminated at 200K Followers.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
Either that, or an ultimately unsatisfying outcome for both sides will be spun as a big win by both sides.
How's that for hedging my bets?
I appreciate your resolute certainty, but the only sure bet that I can come to is that all the people who "know" are ultimately posing. They may or may not have an educated reason for their pose, but any vindication or not will probably be a matter of chance or chosen perception. This isn't only directed at you specifically, but at the highly assured people on both sides around here.
Any comments on this new development. Are we going to see all the world's extremists heading to the Ukraine to fight it out over the next ... days, months, years and help keep their numbers down elsewhere?Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
Even if the steam roller starts to move again (when the mud dries?) and wins by sheer numbers (the time honoured Russia way), the cost will be going up. The Ukrainians know their positions and strategies now. The Ukrainians have very equipment for a very solid infantry defence and a large amount of offensive equipment donated by Russia. As mentioned above, even if all 900,000 members of the Russian military attack they will just impede each other for the time being.
They can win militarily in NovoRossiya at enormous cost. Will it be enough to keep Putin in office? Does Putin matter? Putin is the head of an Orthodox fascist cult with at least 1.5m followers: the siloviki and senior officers. Any replacement will still be from this cult. They could brood on this for 25 years rather than change tack. China won't support them once they run out of money. Economically, Russia will live in the 1980s at best.
Russian will not wholly win. Ukraine will not wholly lose. EU growth will be blocked. The US and China will be the big winners. India will not invade Kashmir. China will be slower to invade Taiwan than it was. Turkey will be a little winner in Central Asia and Syria.Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @sudden death, @Mr. Hack
If this will happen, it will be very interesting to see with what kind of excuses for RF support will be appearing here from various Christian populists and/or Western racists when they will see Muslims and African blacks shooting at white Christian Ukrainians who are defending their own homeland in Europe?
That is again all I have to say today.Replies: @Blinky Bill, @sudden death, @Barbarossa, @Commentator Mike
19.6K Followers
Do you think the ban hammer will soon fall?
ASBMilitary was eliminated at 200K Followers.
By necessary here I mean there isn't an easy work-around. There's actually like ten people on the planet I can see who need twitter.
That is again all I have to say today.Replies: @Blinky Bill, @sudden death, @Barbarossa, @Commentator Mike
Self-awareness and self-criticism are very positive useful traits 😉
Here some videos from the crazy Chinese guy.
https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1502175213563219969
No one decides upon decoupling now because it will be a sectoral cascade event with a poorly recognized starting point. I singled out Russian sanctions as a possible starting point. If China hard decoupled, they could immediately run full trains with grain from Russia at rock-bottom prices - no longer any unilateral sanctions to appease. Servicing China will be enough for Russia's grain exports.
Brandon's handlers have all the power to manage things, and when it's Trump's handlers' turn again, they will keep the parts suiting their agenda and shelve the rest. No total reversal of directives relating to foreign policy. They hold back MiGs because Putin will nuke wherever airport they are transferred in Poland, which will trigger NAT Article 5 and start WWIII proper. They have decided not to escalate to the level of all-out military confrontation.
No peace for you.Replies: @A123
Your logic is internally inconsistent. If there was an all powerful side, they would be “The Decider”. GW tried that stance and Iraq went badly for him.
Why do you believe that the handlers who accidentally started run away inflation are “all powerful”? To Main Street Americans they look like a joke, though a dangerous one.
Which is good thinking. Even if the CCP could obtain 100% of Russia’s food exports they would still have a massive shortfall if they received no calories from the U.S.
PEACE 😇
Just about, it seems. We seem to have descended into reactive, crude side-taking politics that is just about as unintelligent as it gets.
As you note, Ukraine itself with it’s patriotism and willingness to fight represents something that the right should find highly sympathetic, making this a much more complex situation than any simple crude binary.
Honestly my consumption of news in general is severely limited, but just from reading blogs and writers I like I get the impression that you are correct and there is an insane, massive outpouring of demonization of Russians and hysterical anti-Russian sentiment, which is obviously wrong and terrible.
I am sure you are correct that the West is primarily motivated by fury that a power with (seemingly) different values is challenging it’s hegemony in a core area, Europe.
In a way, the alt-right and the mainstream are two sides of the same coin.
I would ultimately like to see some genuine “third way” thinking that rejects the Western mainstream while at the same time not falling for political systems and cultures that in different ways are as bad, like Russia or China.
Why is it so difficult for us to have something genuinely intelligent?
When that kind of political thinking starts to seriously emerge we will be making headway towards a new culture – already, some people are discussing how left/right no longer really makes sense anymore.
To your point, I never got the impression that even the Crusaders and the Muslims disdained the other’s courage. They naturally enough regarded the other as infidels to be driven back and destroyed, but still respected them as worthy foes.
It seems to me that deriding the worth of your foe speaks to a certain inadequacy in your own societal self-conception. Insecurity in one’s own position makes it necessary to dehumanize and minimize the worth of opposition.
In pre-modern times we didn’t have such existential doubts about the virtue of our cause. The Roman vs. Carthaginian wars were justified by the very fact that your culture and traditions, ancestors, and family demanded that you prevail. The deepest loyalties cried from the very soil to urge one on. Nowadays, those cultural anchors are all gone, replaced by empty propaganda and derision.
They seem have respected chivalrous behavior though.Replies: @RSDB
It was a whole way of life, not based on competitive aggression, and so very unlike the basic principles of pagan life, and also obviously more joyous and optimistic in a deep sense than offered by the popular pagan philosophies.
Ultimately, by their fruits shall you judge them.
The fact is, there is a sort of "eternal Way" that may be summarized by the Sermon On The Mount, but appears in different forms in all the religions, and that mankind is continually straying from towards self-aggrandizement, but that to follow is the path to deeply rooted flourishing.
Periodically, one needs a "realignment" to bring us back into accord with the Way, after having strayed too far.
We are obviously in such a time today.
The first individuals and small groups who reject the dominant culture and return to the Way, will inevitably attract attention as they live obviously happier and more joyous lives, and flourish in ways that people in the dominant culture don't - these people will serve as catalysts for change.
The history of early Christianity is an excellent template for this.
Ultimately, no one wants to be miserable - no one looks at Karlin or Chieh and says, wow, they seem so happy I want to be like them lol - or looks at the alt-right and thinks, yeah, these ego-monsters seem so happy and flourishing let me join - but people are afraid and don't see alternatives.
So at first, small groups and individuals must provide lived evidence of the alternatives, that are seeds. That's why probably the most important thing any of us can do really is live rightly well, and not necessarily expend much effort "convincing" anyone of anything - argument and discussion can be fun, but lived example is transformative.Replies: @A123
MAGA fits this pattern. It offers an escape from SJW misery and victimology.
Establishment lackeys of dominant culture mislabel it “Trumpist”. Most cannot grasp that MAGA is more important than any individual. Some fear it undermines their aspirations for total indoctrination society.
Efforts to crush MAGA are doomed to fail because its goal is transformive… A return to traditional values, hope, & joy.
PEACE 😇
If Maga is truly aligned with the Truth, then the obvious joy of following it will spontaneously attract adherents.
By their fruits ye shall judge them...
So if that's what you think, my friend, go live by it....see if it leads to deep joy and flourishing. If yes, yes. If no, no.
We shall all join you if yes :)
I am not opposed to all aspects of Maga, but I am not sure that it best represents the Way, myself...Replies: @A123
Maybe, it is inherently harder in modern times. First of all, we are broadly at peace. Secondly, because the conflicts that we fight tend to be asymmetric. In the first Gulf War, Iraqis surrendered to spotting drones used by battleships (used in WW2 but refurbished) ten miles away. And people who don't surrender, tend to take cover, to plant IEDs because it would be suicidal to engage on a frontline. Not a lot, practically nothing (maybe the Chinese and Indians in the Himalayas?) is man-to-man.
But there is another side to it too. As our society has become more feminized, the word "hero" has become debased. Whereas, before men were called heroes for rushing into burning buildings. Kids are called heroes for dialing 911. Maybe, those stories are necessary to popularize the service and keep in people's minds? But I think it also applies to other things. Rather than being stinting with praise, sometimes I think we are too profligate.Replies: @AaronB, @Barbarossa
As you say, some words have been watered down to the point of meaninglessness while others have become an embarrassment. Going back to a previous discussion I had with AaronB, I’ll bring up the word honor again.
While honor was a foundational concept through practically all of civilization (even when it was ignored) it is completely absent today. It has practically become an embarrassment to bring it up.
If one brings up concepts of honor in any conversation (at least in my experience) one is greeted by confusion, as if the concept is so archaic and foreign that they don’t know what to do with it. In other words, we just don’t think in those terms anymore.
As AaronB is saying, and I think our Sikh commenters would concur, a world without honor is a spiritually sick world of well armed worms blasting away at each other.
It seems to me that deriding the worth of your foe speaks to a certain inadequacy in your own societal self-conception. Insecurity in one's own position makes it necessary to dehumanize and minimize the worth of opposition.
In pre-modern times we didn't have such existential doubts about the virtue of our cause. The Roman vs. Carthaginian wars were justified by the very fact that your culture and traditions, ancestors, and family demanded that you prevail. The deepest loyalties cried from the very soil to urge one on. Nowadays, those cultural anchors are all gone, replaced by empty propaganda and derision.Replies: @AP, @AaronB, @Yahya
Not really. This seems to have become a phenomenon associated with Romanticism, that’s when ideas about “noble savages” became popular. Prior to that, more courageous foes were simply regarded as more noxious vermin, particularly evil.
They seem have respected chivalrous behavior though.
From Tirant lo Blanc: From the Dei Gesta per Francos: We see that Guibert of Nogent regards courage itself as a praiseworthy quality, and does not feel the need to deny the existence of good qualities in people who are committing evil acts; nor does he allow the good qualities to excuse the evil acts.
Regine Pernoud, in The Crusaders, quotes the Gesta Francorum: The chronicler adds: And yet by the grace of God they were defeated by our men.
A recognition of the courage and skill of the Turks does not prevent them from being called the "enemies of God and of holy Christianity", which they were.
A good soldier respects his enemy, so as to better be able to kill him; likewise a good Christian loves his enemy, even if it is necessary to kill him.Replies: @Barbarossa
Do you think the ban hammer will soon fall?
ASBMilitary was eliminated at 200K Followers.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
Poor Glenn Greenwald was the toast of the town eight years ago and now he has to censor himself on twitter. I don’t know why anybody uses it. The only necessary use of it I has ever seen is when Mike Florio and Ian Rapaport and Schafter and those jackals were trying to scoop each other on who had the news about the Russell Wilson trade or whatever. *
By necessary here I mean there isn’t an easy work-around. There’s actually like ten people on the planet I can see who need twitter.
I quite like Rocky IV, but I think the underdog message is clouded a bit by the fact that the character was then rich (surely richer than Drago) and had won several big bouts, was being coached by the coach of another champion, and because it is a political story.
I think the best pure underdog story in the series is the first one. I’ve never been able to wrap my head around how the first Rocky movie seems fairly sophisticated (won oscar) and Stallone wrote it, but he also wrote the rather unsophisticated Expendables movies, which I thought were terrible, and I like action movies.
To tell you the truth, so far I have still only seen the first episode. Haven’t really watched anything else, with the exception of the first season (very short) of the Mandalorian, which I hate-watched, as a critique of current mass culture. (and I barely finished it)
I did finish that book you recommended though and thought it was quite good. I think it is nearly right up there with The Royal Road to Romance by Richard Halliburton, which is my favorite travel book of all time. It is also kind of uncanny how the story starts and ends in Detroit, and the author is pretty free in the use of his language, as we would consider it now.
Many folks can now become small time Halliburton's. I learned long ago that "thinking is the best way to travel", although I do enjoy real travel too.
Build a US base and witness black enlisted men race and murder the local women.
But I think such claims always end up being premature. In the 2006 war in Lebanon, the Israeli army had been transitioning to a "post-heroic" battle doctrine that prioritized technology and especially the air force, and ground forces were neglected, poorly trained, poorly equipped, and poorly motivated - expected to play a marginal role.
It didn't work. As the war wore on disastrously, it was gradually discovered that nothing but good old fashioned heroism on the part of infantry would do the trick.
We are certainly trying to transition to a dehumanized society of mere technique, where human qualities play no significant role - but I don't think this will ever truly happen. Each step in this direction, makes us sicker, and closer to collapse, and is thus self defeating.
I am sure in this war there are many examples of exemplary personal bravery on both sides.
Sure, the term heroism has become greatly debased, and it would be worthwhile to restore robust standards for that word.
But the really important thing is to restore all these "old notions" that modernity has abandoned in it's infinite wisdom. I don't mean simply returning to tradition - I don't think it's possible to ever go back, because we're different now. But instead of just discarding traditional concepts, as we've done, we can reexamine them, and revitalize them, by holding them up to the light of Nature and truth.Replies: @songbird
i think everyone’s nightmare is that we will soon transition to fully-automated, killer drones.
I guess that would be a pretty far cry from medieval times, when the elite were martial families, that had their own hereditary traditions, and which in Ireland (and I suppose other places?) had their own battle cries, which often involved shouting the family name, or the name of an old (and common) ancestor.
Quite quick first excuse dropped already, waiting for others into predictable collection 😉
That is again all I have to say today.Replies: @Blinky Bill, @sudden death, @Barbarossa, @Commentator Mike
It is certain that one of the true believer partisan sides is going to be shocked and disbelieving so I guess that your prediction is destined to be 100% accurate.
Either that, or an ultimately unsatisfying outcome for both sides will be spun as a big win by both sides.
How’s that for hedging my bets?
I appreciate your resolute certainty, but the only sure bet that I can come to is that all the people who “know” are ultimately posing. They may or may not have an educated reason for their pose, but any vindication or not will probably be a matter of chance or chosen perception. This isn’t only directed at you specifically, but at the highly assured people on both sides around here.
That is again all I have to say today.Replies: @Blinky Bill, @sudden death, @Barbarossa, @Commentator Mike
Putin has approved foreign volunteers to go and fight on the Russian side in Ukraine and tens of thousands of Middle Easterners are getting ready to go to the fronts. Does that qualify?
Any comments on this new development. Are we going to see all the world’s extremists heading to the Ukraine to fight it out over the next … days, months, years and help keep their numbers down elsewhere?
Certainly all kinds of far more dubious characters are fighting on Ukraine's side, and for that matter historical personages such as, say, Franco were not above using Moroccans in their conflicts.Replies: @Blinky Bill
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https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1502175213563219969Replies: @Blinky Bill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qJujhoirosReplies: @Mikel
Thanks. But in this subtitled interview with Chinese media he also says that there’s no doubt Russia will win if it fights “seriously”. It seems to be an older video but he has just posted it to his channel so he must still think so.
The questions are: Can the Russian military achieve that without leveling the cities? Will Putin prefer that option to being perceived as a loser? Will the West resist the mounting public pressure to intervene when the media reports an even worse carnage of civilians?
Another interesting and measured article by Richard Hanania arguing why Russia is most likely to win in the end:
https://www.metaculus.com/notebooks/10226/why-forecasting-war-is-hard/
Any comments on this new development. Are we going to see all the world's extremists heading to the Ukraine to fight it out over the next ... days, months, years and help keep their numbers down elsewhere?Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
Well they want to fight, why not let them, they will not be as gentle as Russians (they will likely just shoot civilians throwing Molotov cocktails at their vehicles instead of exercising Christ-like restraint) but that is on the Ukrainians for their irrational fanaticism.
Certainly all kinds of far more dubious characters are fighting on Ukraine’s side, and for that matter historical personages such as, say, Franco were not above using Moroccans in their conflicts.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNCwBCXacAE8xy9.jpg
The March 11 show at the 74:32 mark:
https://wabcradio.com/show/the-other-side-of-midnight-with-frank-morano/
I’m hearing reports that Ukrainian fishermen have sunk four Russian battleships with some Molotov Cocktails. Those were top-of-the-line battleships with 20″ guns!
So much courage!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jCoSbslOsU
I think the best pure underdog story in the series is the first one. I've never been able to wrap my head around how the first Rocky movie seems fairly sophisticated (won oscar) and Stallone wrote it, but he also wrote the rather unsophisticated Expendables movies, which I thought were terrible, and I like action movies. To tell you the truth, so far I have still only seen the first episode. Haven't really watched anything else, with the exception of the first season (very short) of the Mandalorian, which I hate-watched, as a critique of current mass culture. (and I barely finished it)
I did finish that book you recommended though and thought it was quite good. I think it is nearly right up there with The Royal Road to Romance by Richard Halliburton, which is my favorite travel book of all time. It is also kind of uncanny how the story starts and ends in Detroit, and the author is pretty free in the use of his language, as we would consider it now.Replies: @Mr. Hack
Yes, Richard Halliburton was quite the guy, quite the adventurer. I once gave a copy of his “The Glorious Adventure” to a guy I know who likes to fly those one maned paragliders. I don’t know if he ever read it. It’s the kind of stuff that I’m sure Aaron would relish reading:
Many folks can now become small time Halliburton’s. I learned long ago that “thinking is the best way to travel”, although I do enjoy real travel too.
Even if the steam roller starts to move again (when the mud dries?) and wins by sheer numbers (the time honoured Russia way), the cost will be going up. The Ukrainians know their positions and strategies now. The Ukrainians have very equipment for a very solid infantry defence and a large amount of offensive equipment donated by Russia. As mentioned above, even if all 900,000 members of the Russian military attack they will just impede each other for the time being.
They can win militarily in NovoRossiya at enormous cost. Will it be enough to keep Putin in office? Does Putin matter? Putin is the head of an Orthodox fascist cult with at least 1.5m followers: the siloviki and senior officers. Any replacement will still be from this cult. They could brood on this for 25 years rather than change tack. China won't support them once they run out of money. Economically, Russia will live in the 1980s at best.
Russian will not wholly win. Ukraine will not wholly lose. EU growth will be blocked. The US and China will be the big winners. India will not invade Kashmir. China will be slower to invade Taiwan than it was. Turkey will be a little winner in Central Asia and Syria.Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @sudden death, @Mr. Hack
Your opinion is possibly the most realistic one I’ve read here up until now. As I understand it, you spend a lot of time in Russia and the Far East as an independent sales/businessman?
In last several presidential primaries, there were definitely some serious moments of ideological and electoral tension between white liberals/Hispanics on the one hand and blacks on the other in the Democratic Party.Replies: @Ron Unz
Not really. Iowa and New Hampshire come first and usually produce the crucial political momentum, and they have very few blacks, followed by Nevada, which is 10% black and 30% Hispanic. Heavily black South Carolina came fourth, and had almost never been important in a Democratic race.
Normally, Sanders’ wins in the first three races would have made him unstoppable, but since the Democratic establishment and its MSM allies didn’t like him, they said otherwise, and since the MSM creates reality, especially among Democrats, that was decisive. There was also all sorts of quasi-cheating in Iowa to suppress Sanders’ numbers.
The political dynamics is that the Democratic Party elites are mostly Neolibs/Neocons, while rank-and-file Democrats are overwhelmingly opposed to those ideological positions. So the elites need to use all sorts of tricks to stay in control, made easier by their control of the MSM.
Unlike other groups, blacks tend to focus mostly on racial issues, and partly for that reason they’re easier for the Democratic elites to manipulate. Black leaders are also generally easier to buy off. Given Biden’s track record, there was no logical reason for blacks to support him, but the elites decided he was their best shot at stopping Sanders, so they got several black leaders to endorse him, and the black voters overwhelmingly went along with it.
I can’t think of a single time when blacks have gotten their way in the Democratic Party on an issue the elites opposed and cared about. They mostly use blacks and black issues as a camouflage and a distraction, much like all the corporate CEOs support “woke” issues.
So its mostly the Democratic elites vs. the Democratic base, with the blacks used as cannon-fodder by the former.
However, there is massive cheating in Democratic primaries in black precincts. A lot of the "turnout" is as fake as a three dollar bill. That is where the Democratic elites work their magic.
Bernie never saw what hit him.Replies: @Justvisiting, @Ron Unz
The population most hurt by the flood uneducated illegals are low education, often black or hispanic, citizens. Maximizing the number of blacks dependant on government handouts is a very cynical technique to maintain power.
Black and hispanic employment was up during Trump's 1st term. Hispanics started flipping to the new MAGA Republican party. Blacks remain stubbornly aligned to the DNC, against their own self-interest.
PEACE 😇Replies: @A123
Normally, Sanders' wins in the first three races would have made him unstoppable, but since the Democratic establishment and its MSM allies didn't like him, they said otherwise, and since the MSM creates reality, especially among Democrats, that was decisive. There was also all sorts of quasi-cheating in Iowa to suppress Sanders' numbers. The political dynamics is that the Democratic Party elites are mostly Neolibs/Neocons, while rank-and-file Democrats are overwhelmingly opposed to those ideological positions. So the elites need to use all sorts of tricks to stay in control, made easier by their control of the MSM.
Unlike other groups, blacks tend to focus mostly on racial issues, and partly for that reason they're easier for the Democratic elites to manipulate. Black leaders are also generally easier to buy off. Given Biden's track record, there was no logical reason for blacks to support him, but the elites decided he was their best shot at stopping Sanders, so they got several black leaders to endorse him, and the black voters overwhelmingly went along with it.
I can't think of a single time when blacks have gotten their way in the Democratic Party on an issue the elites opposed and cared about. They mostly use blacks and black issues as a camouflage and a distraction, much like all the corporate CEOs support "woke" issues.
So its mostly the Democratic elites vs. the Democratic base, with the blacks used as cannon-fodder by the former.Replies: @Justvisiting, @A123, @Twinkie
Your comment is on point as far as it goes.
However, there is massive cheating in Democratic primaries in black precincts. A lot of the “turnout” is as fake as a three dollar bill. That is where the Democratic elites work their magic.
Bernie never saw what hit him.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/bridgeport-city-council-member-charged-vote-theft-conspiracy
https://connecticut.news12.com/voters-testify-that-election-fraud-occurred-in-bridgeport-mayoral-race-41132143
This is totally normal--what got the Feds interested was that white people stole black votes to defeat a black candidate in a mayoral primary--kinda amusing if you have a dark sense of humor.
Supposedly there was a great deal of manipulation and even cheating in Iowa as well, which successfully blocked Sanders' from getting momentum.
The same sort of elite/MSM effort successfully torpedoed Howard Dean in 2004.
Certainly all kinds of far more dubious characters are fighting on Ukraine's side, and for that matter historical personages such as, say, Franco were not above using Moroccans in their conflicts.Replies: @Blinky Bill
However, there is massive cheating in Democratic primaries in black precincts. A lot of the "turnout" is as fake as a three dollar bill. That is where the Democratic elites work their magic.
Bernie never saw what hit him.Replies: @Justvisiting, @Ron Unz
For those who are skeptical about “voter fraud”–in black precincts–both in primaries and general elections in the US–here are articles that drill a little deeper and shows how the sausage is made–these are two separate races in one urban area:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/bridgeport-city-council-member-charged-vote-theft-conspiracy
https://connecticut.news12.com/voters-testify-that-election-fraud-occurred-in-bridgeport-mayoral-race-41132143
This is totally normal–what got the Feds interested was that white people stole black votes to defeat a black candidate in a mayoral primary–kinda amusing if you have a dark sense of humor.
However, there is massive cheating in Democratic primaries in black precincts. A lot of the "turnout" is as fake as a three dollar bill. That is where the Democratic elites work their magic.
Bernie never saw what hit him.Replies: @Justvisiting, @Ron Unz
I hadn’t been aware of that but it seems very plausible. Black areas tend to have the worst vote fraud, and since the Democratic elites run the Democratic primaries plus the MSM, such fraud would be much, much easier and safer to pull off than in the general election itself.
Supposedly there was a great deal of manipulation and even cheating in Iowa as well, which successfully blocked Sanders’ from getting momentum.
The same sort of elite/MSM effort successfully torpedoed Howard Dean in 2004.
Normally, Sanders' wins in the first three races would have made him unstoppable, but since the Democratic establishment and its MSM allies didn't like him, they said otherwise, and since the MSM creates reality, especially among Democrats, that was decisive. There was also all sorts of quasi-cheating in Iowa to suppress Sanders' numbers. The political dynamics is that the Democratic Party elites are mostly Neolibs/Neocons, while rank-and-file Democrats are overwhelmingly opposed to those ideological positions. So the elites need to use all sorts of tricks to stay in control, made easier by their control of the MSM.
Unlike other groups, blacks tend to focus mostly on racial issues, and partly for that reason they're easier for the Democratic elites to manipulate. Black leaders are also generally easier to buy off. Given Biden's track record, there was no logical reason for blacks to support him, but the elites decided he was their best shot at stopping Sanders, so they got several black leaders to endorse him, and the black voters overwhelmingly went along with it.
I can't think of a single time when blacks have gotten their way in the Democratic Party on an issue the elites opposed and cared about. They mostly use blacks and black issues as a camouflage and a distraction, much like all the corporate CEOs support "woke" issues.
So its mostly the Democratic elites vs. the Democratic base, with the blacks used as cannon-fodder by the former.Replies: @Justvisiting, @A123, @Twinkie
Sadly true.
The population most hurt by the flood uneducated illegals are low education, often black or hispanic, citizens. Maximizing the number of blacks dependant on government handouts is a very cynical technique to maintain power.
Black and hispanic employment was up during Trump’s 1st term. Hispanics started flipping to the new MAGA Republican party. Blacks remain stubbornly aligned to the DNC, against their own self-interest.
PEACE 😇
Here is more on the Hispanic drift towards MAGA. (1) Hispanics who are U.S. citizens are often trying to bring in family members legally. Illegals jumping to the head of the line displace those who play by the rules. They are not a monolithic block that Elite Democrats can readily manipulate.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/defcon-1-moment-new-spanish-language-conservative-network-fuels-fresh-rcna18704Replies: @silviosilver
They seem have respected chivalrous behavior though.Replies: @RSDB
This is true, but it is true in a sense which does not exclude what the other commenter is saying.
From Tirant lo Blanc:
From the Dei Gesta per Francos:
We see that Guibert of Nogent regards courage itself as a praiseworthy quality, and does not feel the need to deny the existence of good qualities in people who are committing evil acts; nor does he allow the good qualities to excuse the evil acts.
Regine Pernoud, in The Crusaders, quotes the Gesta Francorum:
The chronicler adds: And yet by the grace of God they were defeated by our men.
A recognition of the courage and skill of the Turks does not prevent them from being called the “enemies of God and of holy Christianity”, which they were.
A good soldier respects his enemy, so as to better be able to kill him; likewise a good Christian loves his enemy, even if it is necessary to kill him.
To AP: In summation, it is possible to oppose an enemy and consider him to be opposed to everything you stand for and yet respect him fully as such. Not to harp on "outdated concepts" again, but if you are formed culturally believing in and prioritizing traits such as honor and bravery, how can you fail to respect them in your enemies?
I agree with you that Romanticism took such things too far, as with the "Noble Savage" ideal, but it doesn't mean that they have no basis in reality.Replies: @Yahya
So much courage!Replies: @Barbarossa
I’m disappointed that the fishermen used Molotov cocktails. I thought they were just going to use a herring.
Split Ukraine by ethnic allegiance.
If people read more Tudman all this could have been avoided.
If the ethnic lines arent convent then just move people.
The population most hurt by the flood uneducated illegals are low education, often black or hispanic, citizens. Maximizing the number of blacks dependant on government handouts is a very cynical technique to maintain power.
Black and hispanic employment was up during Trump's 1st term. Hispanics started flipping to the new MAGA Republican party. Blacks remain stubbornly aligned to the DNC, against their own self-interest.
PEACE 😇Replies: @A123
Additional
Here is more on the Hispanic drift towards MAGA. (1)
Hispanics who are U.S. citizens are often trying to bring in family members legally. Illegals jumping to the head of the line displace those who play by the rules. They are not a monolithic block that Elite Democrats can readily manipulate.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/defcon-1-moment-new-spanish-language-conservative-network-fuels-fresh-rcna18704
From Tirant lo Blanc: From the Dei Gesta per Francos: We see that Guibert of Nogent regards courage itself as a praiseworthy quality, and does not feel the need to deny the existence of good qualities in people who are committing evil acts; nor does he allow the good qualities to excuse the evil acts.
Regine Pernoud, in The Crusaders, quotes the Gesta Francorum: The chronicler adds: And yet by the grace of God they were defeated by our men.
A recognition of the courage and skill of the Turks does not prevent them from being called the "enemies of God and of holy Christianity", which they were.
A good soldier respects his enemy, so as to better be able to kill him; likewise a good Christian loves his enemy, even if it is necessary to kill him.Replies: @Barbarossa
Thanks, that was exactly the point I was going to make to AP, but you have neatly beaten me to the punch. It saves me the time looking up citations as well, so I appreciate it.
To AP: In summation, it is possible to oppose an enemy and consider him to be opposed to everything you stand for and yet respect him fully as such. Not to harp on “outdated concepts” again, but if you are formed culturally believing in and prioritizing traits such as honor and bravery, how can you fail to respect them in your enemies?
I agree with you that Romanticism took such things too far, as with the “Noble Savage” ideal, but it doesn’t mean that they have no basis in reality.
What about this big old drone that flew over several NATO countries from the war zone and crashed in the capital of Croatia? Where were NATO air defences? Nobody even knew about the 6 tonnes drone until it crashed.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-12/drone-likely-flying-from-ukraine-war-zone-crashes-in-croatia/100904952#:~:text=A%20drone%20that%20apparently%20flew,no%20injuries%2C%20Croatian%20authorities%20say.
It’s quite the issue in Japanese areas around US bases. It’s a narrative suppressed in Germany though.
One thing that became visible already in 2014 was how independent and dispersed Ukrainian territorial groups are (well, at that time they had no other choice as the armed forces were lacking). It could’ve been a response to an existential threat, but it might also be something in the Ukrainian character (or both). These are free men who are capable of acting on their own.
Remember that, besides the Forest Brothers of Volyn, they also have this phenomenon of Machnovschina in their culture (of course, they were anarcho reds, but just the sheer ability to organize from below and act independently is quite remarkable, and, of course, it is stunning to see a white warlord in the 21st century). They have territorial defense and they’re currently in the process of mobilizing more. There are apparently more volunteers than rifles available. But, of course, we’re not at that point yet — the VSU will first go into a counter offensive.
Перемогаемо.
Peace through victory.
Recent tweet by Biden:
I totally agree, but why does he feel the need to emphasize it like this? Is this directed at Putin…or someone else?
Is it more people than ever? I confess that is the impression that I get, though it is hard to quantify these things and there were certainly crazy guys like Goldwater years ago, who wanted to roll the tanks into Eastern Europe. And not only that, but they seem to dismiss the deterrent power of nuclear weapons, and think that Putin will march on NATO next, which strikes me as crazy.
I fear that something is happening to us. Maybe, progressives have fundamentally increased emotions and outrage culture to the point, where, even people who fear nuclear power plants, don't fear the bomb. Or maybe it's because everything has gotten dumber, to cater to dumb people. Or maybe it is twitter.
What will it be like in another 20 or 30 years, with dysgenic trends? Perhaps, America should get rid of its nukes now, give them to Japan or something.Replies: @German_reader, @LatW
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1502353759455821833I totally agree, but why does he feel the need to emphasize it like this? Is this directed at Putin...or someone else?Replies: @nickels, @LatW, @songbird, @utu
Cool. Blank check. Putin can invade any country he wants.
Three hefty Russian predator birds, just captured, admitting of carrying out criminal orders to murder Ukrainian civilians — the Xerxes in the Kremlin knew what he was going to do before he did it (at 7:50 and around 32:15, at around 39:50, admitting the futility of trying to occupy Ukraine, a long clip but has consecutive English translation):
Indeed, the fellows here are grateful for the opportunity to interact with the Ukrainian (and international public). I agree. It’s nice to sit in a warm room after you’ve catapulted, and have not been shot on the spot, since a few days back the Ukrainian men announced open season on all Russian combatants after they started killing civilians (including 50+ children).
Question to the Russian whose mom lives in Poltava: “How does it feel to bomb the territory where your mother lives?”
Answer: “I’m shocked to see what happened in Kharkiv”.
Shock and disbelief indeed.
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1502353759455821833I totally agree, but why does he feel the need to emphasize it like this? Is this directed at Putin...or someone else?Replies: @nickels, @LatW, @songbird, @utu
I’m also curious as to why he keeps repeating that needlessly. It is probably aimed at the US audience, but it has a bad effect for the regional conflict in Europe. This doesn’t change anything on principle. If he doesn’t fight the Russian in Ukraine, he’ll have to fight him on NATO territory. What is he (or the next US president) going to answer to nuclear blackmail then? In that scenario, the force of the Ukrainian soldier and the heft of his shoulder to lean on against Russia will no longer be there. Unless the Russian is beaten now. Basically, Ukraine is now doing his work for him. But what later (in the worst case scenario)?
Peace through victory.
tbh that kind of thing is redolent of the propaganda exercises the Koreans and Vietnamese did with captured American aviators. There’s no way of telling if these men have been coerced in any way, and using pows for something like this is pretty dubious (and probably contrary to the relevant treaties for treatment of pows).
As to whether they were coerced, they look like they're in decent shape, with minor bruises (that they incurred from catapulting, one of them bumped his head). They are fed and given medical treatment, while little Ukrainians girls are bleeding to death or injured children and elderly are stuck in basements dying of dehydration. These guys are playing along because they have a chance to win their life back. If you don't like seeing them in this state, please, arrange for them to go on a military tribunal.Replies: @German_reader
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-12/drone-likely-flying-from-ukraine-war-zone-crashes-in-croatia/100904952#:~:text=A%20drone%20that%20apparently%20flew,no%20injuries%2C%20Croatian%20authorities%20say.Replies: @Wielgus
Yes, that was a strange incident.
Bad faith responses don’t alter your cucked existence. You don’t have guns, I can carry Sword in Aus.
Shock and Disbelief is natural.
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The way the Ukrainians are fighting seems to be comparable to the Chadian role in the Toyota War:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_War
The comparison is to the Iraqi military’s decision to mostly avoid contesting the US military’s entry into the country. Its decision to mount an insurgency was wise, given the US tendency to avoid taking the traditional and brutal, but effective, measures to crush insurgencies via large scale exile (e.g. Siberia) or massacre. Whereas the Russians are certainly not averse to such measures, killing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians during an earlier insurgency just after WWII.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army#End_of_UPA_resistance
Bottom line is that it’s unclear a Ukrainian insurgency could survive Russian atrocities, which is why its conventional force may need to win outright.
With the proliferation of smart phones and other items of mass-communication technology, it is virtually impossible today to hide large-scale atrocities from widespread dissemination in the wider world and the following condemnation and political effects.
Look at the amount of genuine outrage Russia's military actions are creating in the world, including, of course, in Ukraine even though I suspect the worst has yet to come (e.g. large-scale urban fighting, let alone a sustained insurgency). Napoleon is said to have uttered that "the moral is to the physical as three is to one" (though he also clearly believed in the bigger battalions or, should I say, bigger artillery batteries). I suspect this was why Martin van Creveld said that in the post-modern world, "when the strong and the weak fight in a long war, the strong loses."Replies: @RSDB, @Veteran of the Memic Wars
I know, German reader. But, unfortunately, there are lows to which the Russian military fell very quickly so it’s hard to feel sympathy for the Russian POWs (even the really young conscripts who are crying for their moms right now). Perpetrating a “Syrian scenario” (where they practiced on bombing Syrian hospitals) and bringing that on the Ukrainian soil is just a unique kind of evil. So far, Ukraine has at least tried to observe international war laws. For instance, their Vice Prime Minister — who is a woman and visibly hasn’t slept for days but is holding up valiantly — for weeks now has been trying to work with the Red Cross to arrange for the pick up of the Russian bodies to transport them to Russia. No answer. They’re not even picking up their dead (to hide truth from Russians). The Ukrainians are feeding the starved POWs and operating on them while their own children need help, while the rest of Europe is taking care of refugees.
As to whether they were coerced, they look like they’re in decent shape, with minor bruises (that they incurred from catapulting, one of them bumped his head). They are fed and given medical treatment, while little Ukrainians girls are bleeding to death or injured children and elderly are stuck in basements dying of dehydration. These guys are playing along because they have a chance to win their life back. If you don’t like seeing them in this state, please, arrange for them to go on a military tribunal.
Regarding war crimes in general I won't comment, since I can't even pretend to have any idea about which claims are true and which aren't.Replies: @LatW
As to whether they were coerced, they look like they're in decent shape, with minor bruises (that they incurred from catapulting, one of them bumped his head). They are fed and given medical treatment, while little Ukrainians girls are bleeding to death or injured children and elderly are stuck in basements dying of dehydration. These guys are playing along because they have a chance to win their life back. If you don't like seeing them in this state, please, arrange for them to go on a military tribunal.Replies: @German_reader
I doubt there is even a legal basis or a precedent for putting airmen on trial for bombings they’ve conducted (unless one wants to cite imperial Japan, which executed some Americans for the 1942 Tokyo bombings), so I don’t see the point of bringing up such an idea.
Regarding war crimes in general I won’t comment, since I can’t even pretend to have any idea about which claims are true and which aren’t.
The Germans lost enough planes in the Battle of France to weaken them somewhat in the Battle of Britain, which followed shortly after. How much impact it had is debated but it certainly had some.
Does it mean all those non whites under 40 do have sword fetish? Doubt it 😉
Depends on how many pilots were killed too. That’s the metric you have to look at after material loses. It’s fascinating that a successful Blitzkreig gets you up to 36% inoperability 25% attrition and a beclowned stalled advance gets to a capital and gets a second city surrounded and a region sliced off for maybe 80 aircraft out of a fleet of 4 thousand. The last laugh will be rather telling.
Western Generals and analysts publishing these claims about heavy losses ought to be blushing afterward.
Regarding war crimes in general I won't comment, since I can't even pretend to have any idea about which claims are true and which aren't.Replies: @LatW
I didn’t mean this literally, but with irony. Sitting on the protected sidelines and lecturing about how others who are fighting until their last breath should observe this or that little law… doubtful that yours would treat baby murderers or even marauders with kid gloves if given a chance, yours haven’t fought a real war for generations now and have no idea anymore. There are two worlds out there, one is the world of institutions and regulations, the other is the real world. Of course, one should aim to observe the rules even if the enemy doesn’t, but you are definitely not in the position to judge Ukrainians or hold them accountable. Hold the aggressor party accountable first.
Btw, the captured pilots are saying that they volunteered to speak. This may or may not be true, but they give interesting tidbits of info that seem true. Other captives cry in remorse, so I believe them.
You don’t need to pretend. There are plenty of videos now on YouTube. On one of the first days there was footage of a 6 year old girl expiring on a gurney in front of her grandmother’s eyes. The war itself is a war crime, as it is a wanton war of aggression. The whole world knows this, except “this God forsaken corner of the world” (lol, (c) Toly).
This is a deeply identitarian war, so we can even talk about genocide, if not in legal then in moral terms (“denazification” in this context means de-rooting of Ukrainians, removing Ukrainianness from the Ukrainian population or from existence altogether, and, if that doesn’t succeed, then eliminating the Ukrainian population). Either this nation goes, or the Russian empire (pseudo-Reich).
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1502353759455821833I totally agree, but why does he feel the need to emphasize it like this? Is this directed at Putin...or someone else?Replies: @nickels, @LatW, @songbird, @utu
This conflict has been eye-opening for me, as I thought that we were seeing an increasing trend of atomophobia that would tamper the possibility for nuclear war, but a lot of people seem to be in favor of racheting up the risk of nuclear conflict.
Is it more people than ever? I confess that is the impression that I get, though it is hard to quantify these things and there were certainly crazy guys like Goldwater years ago, who wanted to roll the tanks into Eastern Europe. And not only that, but they seem to dismiss the deterrent power of nuclear weapons, and think that Putin will march on NATO next, which strikes me as crazy.
I fear that something is happening to us. Maybe, progressives have fundamentally increased emotions and outrage culture to the point, where, even people who fear nuclear power plants, don’t fear the bomb. Or maybe it’s because everything has gotten dumber, to cater to dumb people. Or maybe it is twitter.
What will it be like in another 20 or 30 years, with dysgenic trends? Perhaps, America should get rid of its nukes now, give them to Japan or something.
And it is unseemly for a nuclear power to resort to outright bombings and nuclear threats when they find it hard to fight a conventional war. It appears cowardly. Oh, make no mistake, if Russia were successful, Russia would keep marching. Russia has no respect for the weak. However, it most likely wouldn't be under Putin, but some other future leader (Russian, or from Caucasus, or someone attending Eurasian shaman rituals during which he is being told that he is the reincarnation of some past Mongol warrior). Of course, they would first have to "process" Ukrainians and turn them into slaves, that could take decades. They would have to take a break to replenish themselves after this, some time, but they will march on if they can. If this calamity doesn't break them up. Btw, interesting question on how these sanctions might affect Russia's military industry... does it have any affect on the nuclear arsenal? The weapons were last tested 30 years ago?
And, above all... how are we going to get info from inside Russia if they ban YouTube and other media. Telegram?Replies: @German_reader, @songbird
Latvians haven’t either, if I’m informed correctly (and so far they’re also not party to the war in Ukraine, and if they have any sense they’ll try to avoid it, not provoke it by advocating for a no-fly-zone). I don’t intend to lecture Ukrainians about anything, but imo it’s probably not in their own interest to adopt measures like “open season on all Russian combatants” (= taking no prisoners?).
But I wasn't talking about the no-fly-zone. I was talking about how a Ukrainian female official is going out of her way to collect the Russian bodies which the Russian military should've picked up themselves, because she's normative and is trying to do the right thing. While some Western dude, far away from danger, is trying to lecture to her people about how POWs (read: murderers of children) should be treated with kid gloves. Open season on Russian combatants is not the official government position. It's what you do in this kind of a situation. There is nothing to negotiate about anymore. The war ends on the Ukrainian border of 1991.Replies: @German_reader, @Strasser
This is the safe space in unz.com where the “brave” ukro shitheads come to huff large amounts of pixelated copium.
Hey Mr. Hack, how would you explain what your ukro-ISIL brethren have done to Volnovaha? Why destroy apartment blocks? Why fight from and inside kindergartens and hospitals? Do you not count the Russian speaking Ukranians as one of your own? Answer me, you ukie coward?
You’re lower than vermin
Is it more people than ever? I confess that is the impression that I get, though it is hard to quantify these things and there were certainly crazy guys like Goldwater years ago, who wanted to roll the tanks into Eastern Europe. And not only that, but they seem to dismiss the deterrent power of nuclear weapons, and think that Putin will march on NATO next, which strikes me as crazy.
I fear that something is happening to us. Maybe, progressives have fundamentally increased emotions and outrage culture to the point, where, even people who fear nuclear power plants, don't fear the bomb. Or maybe it's because everything has gotten dumber, to cater to dumb people. Or maybe it is twitter.
What will it be like in another 20 or 30 years, with dysgenic trends? Perhaps, America should get rid of its nukes now, give them to Japan or something.Replies: @German_reader, @LatW
Definitely a factor, really a scary thought that politicians probably are influenced by all this social media idiocy. And of course there’s also a generational factor, people who’ve grown up in an era of seeming Western omnipotence, where it was all about “humanitarian interventions” against villains like Milosevic, Gaddafi and Assad, with their 3rd rate militaries that couldn’t shoot back, probably don’t understand that the same approach might have rather different results against a major nuclear power.
It might not be completely crazy from the point of view of someone in the Baltic states (though still unlikely imo). But I think mostly such claims are either driven by historical trauma and ethnic resentments, or just a manipulative attempt by pro-Ukraine partisans to get Western powers to intervene directly in the war.
One can observe some ethnic antagonisms in Western Europe, but they seem somewhat superficial and I have always suspected that they've been encouraged by the diversity regime, to make ethnic nationalism seem foolish and to stimy a united response.
But Eastern Europe seems like something else, like they run deep and are organic. (reminds me somewhat of East Asia) As an American, I've never really had a fear of Canadian or Mexican armies, so it is really hard to put myself in that frame of mind. But it is also weird because they were all puppet states, or else part of the USSR, so one would think that no victimhood narrative was allowed. (I wonder when Poles first learned about Katyn in school.) Maybe, it has been a big part of rhetoric, since the Warsaw Pact broke up? Or maybe, it is natural to resent people who had you under their thumb, in recent history? Seems very foolish. Do these people really understand what is happening Western Europe? I can't think that they do - I can't think that they understand the scale and quickness of it, or how susceptible their elites are to the same ideology.
I've heard that the Russian areas of the Baltic countries are really poor, and I wonder now whether that is because the state has kept them that way on purpose. Anyway, I've been pondering whether that could be a part of some peace deal. Resettling the Baltic Russians. Though, I've heard that they don't want to leave, and that many are intermarried, or have children who have. I also get the idea that many of the younger folk have already left, since there are no jobs.Replies: @German_reader
Here is more on the Hispanic drift towards MAGA. (1) Hispanics who are U.S. citizens are often trying to bring in family members legally. Illegals jumping to the head of the line displace those who play by the rules. They are not a monolithic block that Elite Democrats can readily manipulate.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/defcon-1-moment-new-spanish-language-conservative-network-fuels-fresh-rcna18704Replies: @silviosilver
That is indeed a positive development. I don’t expect very much from it content-wise – though they might surprise me – but it’s reasonable to think it will have an energising effect on its audience, much like how Rush’s listeners were generally a lot more unPC than he was on his show.
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1502353759455821833I totally agree, but why does he feel the need to emphasize it like this? Is this directed at Putin...or someone else?Replies: @nickels, @LatW, @songbird, @utu
Big mistake. You do not say what you will do or not do to the enemy unless you want to deceive him
Again this is a mistake to say it. Fear of war should not be the definitive controlling parameter in decision making. MAD doctrine works only as deterrent as long as both sides have no doubt that the other side will follow the doctrine. Telling your enemy you are willing to do anything to avoid WW III shows that you have already bailed out. War, any war must be alway on the table and your enemy must know it because otherwise: “You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour and you will have war.”
Honestly, you seem to have become completely unhinged since this war started, like a mirror image of Karlin, you seem to be itching for some final confrontation where Russia is finally put out of commission.
I assume you're talking about having American and NATO planes shoot down any Russian planes flying combat missions in Ukraine. Doesn't that mean a Russia-NATO war? And wouldn't it be likely that the Russians would then retaliate by targeting the NATO airbases of those planes with missiles to try to put them out of action?
Aren't you just saying NATO should declare war on Russia over Ukraine? And isn't that more than a little dangerous?Replies: @German_reader, @utu
You are correct although my business activities have now ceased. I found customers for a vriety of clients in a variety of industries. It is amazing what you can learn from business conditions, requests for quotation and travelling by train rather plane so that people talk to you. I was an admirer of Putin originally but while he talked an excellent democracy+prosperity message, especiall early on, his actions drfted further and further away from that in my eyes. I think I have skin in this game so I have an interest in a somewhat balanced viewin favour of objective truth rather than narrative.
The biggest mistake the West made ever was not pulling Russia into NATO in the 90's. Alas, it didn't happen, so we are where we are.
Russia is Leeroy Jenkensing into a a new world order and they just might actually have a fighting chance. Low chance, but far from zero. Russians are right though - the whole eurodollar system needs to go. It's obsolete and doesn't meet the needs of modern world (You can observe it in TFRs).
What exactly don’t you understand about Biden’s statement regarding “We will defend every inch of NATO territory”? Did MAD somehow cease to apply when NATO didn’t intervene in Hungary in 1956 or in Czechoslovakia in 1968?
Honestly, you seem to have become completely unhinged since this war started, like a mirror image of Karlin, you seem to be itching for some final confrontation where Russia is finally put out of commission.
We don’t answer to you but we also haven’t advocated much for the no-fly-zone, as it seems futile to ask for it anyway (it is a dead end, the air defense should’ve been created before). That doesn’t change the problem on principle, since, hypothetically, the West will have to create a no-fly-zone either way in the future somewhere possibly over NATO territory if Russia keeps using nukes to blackmail (if some reasonable generals don’t take away the button from Xerxes).
But I wasn’t talking about the no-fly-zone. I was talking about how a Ukrainian female official is going out of her way to collect the Russian bodies which the Russian military should’ve picked up themselves, because she’s normative and is trying to do the right thing. While some Western dude, far away from danger, is trying to lecture to her people about how POWs (read: murderers of children) should be treated with kid gloves. Open season on Russian combatants is not the official government position. It’s what you do in this kind of a situation. There is nothing to negotiate about anymore. The war ends on the Ukrainian border of 1991.
It's possible that you really are stupid enough to believe atrocity propaganda about "murdering children" but it's more likely that you're just a depraved and worthless person using it to give a moral veneer to your sadistic fantasies. Why don't you man up and volunteer so you can start killing POWs? Latvia is only a short distance away from the front.
But I wasn't talking about the no-fly-zone. I was talking about how a Ukrainian female official is going out of her way to collect the Russian bodies which the Russian military should've picked up themselves, because she's normative and is trying to do the right thing. While some Western dude, far away from danger, is trying to lecture to her people about how POWs (read: murderers of children) should be treated with kid gloves. Open season on Russian combatants is not the official government position. It's what you do in this kind of a situation. There is nothing to negotiate about anymore. The war ends on the Ukrainian border of 1991.Replies: @German_reader, @Strasser
I don’t think there are many Ukrainians reading here (or who’d care what’s written on this strange blog), who are actually within Ukraine at the moment, so it’s not like I’m lecturing anybody who’s under real assault. And I don’t feel under any obligation not to point out that there’s absolutely no way to for any foreign observer to know what motivated those Russian airmen in the video you posted, whether they were genuine or whether they were coerced in some way (as for “murderers of children”, gimme a break, that’s on the level of Eastern bloc propaganda about what the Americans were doing in Vietnam).
Ukraine and her partisans should better hope there’ll eventually be something to negotiate about, because as deluded as Karlin may be on many issues he’s probably right that Russia will eventually win the military conflict.
While honor was a foundational concept through practically all of civilization (even when it was ignored) it is completely absent today. It has practically become an embarrassment to bring it up.
If one brings up concepts of honor in any conversation (at least in my experience) one is greeted by confusion, as if the concept is so archaic and foreign that they don't know what to do with it. In other words, we just don't think in those terms anymore.
As AaronB is saying, and I think our Sikh commenters would concur, a world without honor is a spiritually sick world of well armed worms blasting away at each other.Replies: @silviosilver
I think a lot of us, who retain some vague sense of what honor means/meant, have been glad to be rid of it. If you think of the lengths men used to go to defend their honor, then this isn’t not unreasonable.
Isn’t a great deal of lower class violence motivated by an outsized sense of honor? It’s easy to sneer that that’s not “real” honor, but the dividing line is not so clear to me.
I used be a quite a hothead when I was young, and much of the trouble I got myself into was directly a result of “that son of a bitch has no right to speak to me like that.” Nice when the son of a bitch backs down, but sometimes the son of a bitch has other ideas. If I’d kept going like that, I could well have ended up dead or in prison.
I understand that. But when you run headlong into the slaughter of conflicts like the World Wars, it might be time to reconsider.
Fundamentally, you are confusing honor and machismo.
I would consider the World Wars to have very little to do with honor. There can instances of personal honor within them certainly.
I have no interest in fighting or dying to maintain a political order or government. I would gladly do so to protect my family and friends. A sense of honor can certainly be taken advantage of by those who want to twist it to their own ends.Replies: @AP
Is it more people than ever? I confess that is the impression that I get, though it is hard to quantify these things and there were certainly crazy guys like Goldwater years ago, who wanted to roll the tanks into Eastern Europe. And not only that, but they seem to dismiss the deterrent power of nuclear weapons, and think that Putin will march on NATO next, which strikes me as crazy.
I fear that something is happening to us. Maybe, progressives have fundamentally increased emotions and outrage culture to the point, where, even people who fear nuclear power plants, don't fear the bomb. Or maybe it's because everything has gotten dumber, to cater to dumb people. Or maybe it is twitter.
What will it be like in another 20 or 30 years, with dysgenic trends? Perhaps, America should get rid of its nukes now, give them to Japan or something.Replies: @German_reader, @LatW
That’s exactly the function of nuclear weapons – deterrent power. It was assumed as an agreement among all nuclear states. Nuclear weapons are not meant for threatening one’s neighbors into submission or for advancing one’s regional / imperial ambitions. It is exactly that kind of behavior that defeats the legitimacy of one holding nuclear weapons. Because currently they’re not threatening just Ukraine, but beyond that. Nuclear weapons are for strategic equilibrium and there was no threat to that (as Russia has missiles both in Crimea and Kaliningrad afaik, can place them in the Arctic, etc).
And it is unseemly for a nuclear power to resort to outright bombings and nuclear threats when they find it hard to fight a conventional war. It appears cowardly.
Oh, make no mistake, if Russia were successful, Russia would keep marching. Russia has no respect for the weak. However, it most likely wouldn’t be under Putin, but some other future leader (Russian, or from Caucasus, or someone attending Eurasian shaman rituals during which he is being told that he is the reincarnation of some past Mongol warrior). Of course, they would first have to “process” Ukrainians and turn them into slaves, that could take decades. They would have to take a break to replenish themselves after this, some time, but they will march on if they can. If this calamity doesn’t break them up. Btw, interesting question on how these sanctions might affect Russia’s military industry… does it have any affect on the nuclear arsenal? The weapons were last tested 30 years ago?
And, above all… how are we going to get info from inside Russia if they ban YouTube and other media. Telegram?
The Soviets brutally crushed the Hungarian uprising in 1956, the West did nothing (after having egged on the rebels with radio broadcasts about liberty and all that). They also invaded Afghanistan, and the West reacted with sanctions and arms shipments (exactly what is now being done regarding Ukraine), nothing more. So this is hardly an unprecedented dynamic.Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW
The second player being a combination of Russia and the Ukraine (as well as other parts), which is a pretty big geopolitical distinction. They were part of the same country, as late as 1991. So, this isn't an upset of the postwar order, only an upset of the post-Soviet order. Probably not much comfort to anyone in the former USSR outside of Russia, but, nevertheless, it still is a pretty big distinction and counts for something, in geopolitics. They haven't crossed their 1991 line, so it is not an escalation in terms of Cold War relations.
I can't see Putin invading the Baltics as there is a pretty big distinction between them and Ukraine. Namely, that they are NATO countries, but there are also an assortment of other factors that put them apart, such as them being less threatening (Could any realistically develop nuclear weapons?). Not having the same natural resources, or number of Russians. I think Putin respects the atom.
The former Warsaw Pact countries should not be scared, IMO. Stalin was only able to establish control of them, since his army was marching through them anyway, on its way to Germany. He had the supply lines going there. This is a distinction that can be made with Albania and Yugoslavia, which, although communist were not puppet states, as there were no real Soviet supply lines established into those countries, when they were liberated by partisans. (Not to mention that it should be quite a bit harder to establish supply lines now, due to various technological upsets)
Putin has no organizing ideology to facilitate the formation of the equivalent of local communist parties, and doesn't have the demographics to fill the necessary garrisons either. Maybe, one of his successors might, but at that point people in Eastern Europe may start to wish they aren't under the nuclear umbrella of America. Things in the West are going downhill fast. In Germany, they can legally spy on AfD, and it is out in the open.
But I wasn't talking about the no-fly-zone. I was talking about how a Ukrainian female official is going out of her way to collect the Russian bodies which the Russian military should've picked up themselves, because she's normative and is trying to do the right thing. While some Western dude, far away from danger, is trying to lecture to her people about how POWs (read: murderers of children) should be treated with kid gloves. Open season on Russian combatants is not the official government position. It's what you do in this kind of a situation. There is nothing to negotiate about anymore. The war ends on the Ukrainian border of 1991.Replies: @German_reader, @Strasser
What do you think happens when Russian soldiers find out that Ukrainians are executing their brothers? Will they continue to treat Ukrainian POWs with “kid gloves”? Ukraine will lose and will be at the mercy of Russia, that’s something that needs to be in the minds of every Ukrainian thinking of committing war crimes.
It’s possible that you really are stupid enough to believe atrocity propaganda about “murdering children” but it’s more likely that you’re just a depraved and worthless person using it to give a moral veneer to your sadistic fantasies. Why don’t you man up and volunteer so you can start killing POWs? Latvia is only a short distance away from the front.
And it is unseemly for a nuclear power to resort to outright bombings and nuclear threats when they find it hard to fight a conventional war. It appears cowardly. Oh, make no mistake, if Russia were successful, Russia would keep marching. Russia has no respect for the weak. However, it most likely wouldn't be under Putin, but some other future leader (Russian, or from Caucasus, or someone attending Eurasian shaman rituals during which he is being told that he is the reincarnation of some past Mongol warrior). Of course, they would first have to "process" Ukrainians and turn them into slaves, that could take decades. They would have to take a break to replenish themselves after this, some time, but they will march on if they can. If this calamity doesn't break them up. Btw, interesting question on how these sanctions might affect Russia's military industry... does it have any affect on the nuclear arsenal? The weapons were last tested 30 years ago?
And, above all... how are we going to get info from inside Russia if they ban YouTube and other media. Telegram?Replies: @German_reader, @songbird
What is “legitimacy of holding nuclear weapons” even supposed to mean? Is there some global agency that is going to take away Russia’s nuclear weapons, because Russia has been naughty, or what? This isn’t a normative issue, what matters is that these weapons exist and aren’t going to magically disappear.
The Soviets brutally crushed the Hungarian uprising in 1956, the West did nothing (after having egged on the rebels with radio broadcasts about liberty and all that). They also invaded Afghanistan, and the West reacted with sanctions and arms shipments (exactly what is now being done regarding Ukraine), nothing more. So this is hardly an unprecedented dynamic.
Silviosilver exaggerates, there were real persecutions of Christians and their position was frequently precarious during the first three centuries, but it wasn't non-stop on the level of Diocletian's persecution either.Replies: @silviosilver
What was I exaggerating? I didn’t say anything about the persecution of Christians, and if I had replied to yahya I would have said what you did in this post.
There was a qualitative difference between Rome’s efforts to contain Christianity and Christianity’s efforts to extirpate pagans. That this extirpation was carried out over a century or so shouldn’t obscure the determination that Christians had to cleanse their lands of pagans.
This eventually reached a point where one was simply not permitted to be a pagan. You couldn’t pay your obeisances and be on your way, as Christians could when they were on the outer. It would have been like being an avowed atheist in Saudi Arabia today. You might get away with it for a while, but eventually the fanatics would get to you.
Luckily, the Khalsa is created by Hari to end it||
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I'd just caution that Christianization was for a long time more a matter of legal discrimination than outright forced conversions (iirc that stage was only reached in the eastern empire under Justinian when it indeed became illegal to be a pagan, possibly under pain of death). But I agree with you about the larger dynamic.
Yea, there is, you can tell from the body language, from the tone of voice. Often you can tell if things sound scripted or somewhat genuine (they talk at a natural pace, have to answer spontaneous questions). You can compare the info that they’re sharing, such as their plans, preparation for the assault, with the actual things that happened that correspond with how the operation was proceeding.
Most likely the way they were “motivated” is that they may be offered some lenience if they speak out. I slightly doubt this, but the main pilot there said that he volunteered to have a press conference, that it was actually his initiative. Who knows, it might even be that these pilots see how far this has gone and what a mess this is, that they may genuinely want it to stop. In some other leaked convos (there are a lot now because something happened to the Russian communications and they’re now using mobile phones that can be easily intercepted), some of the lower rank soldiers are expressing surprise that they’re actually killing civilians and some are expressing shock at, for instance, the destruction of their tank columns (these are private convos that they don’t know are being listened to).
Of course, part of this is for Ukrainian war purposes (in all of these pressers, the captive soldiers urge everyone to cease fighting, for Russia to stop bombing, etc), I also do not believe their legend that they thought this was going to be a training tour, maybe only the conscripts believed it, but not these pilots who openly state that they knew they were bombing civilian infrastructure. It actually appears very close to what happened – first they tried to take out things like air defenses and then when there wasn’t enough progress they started bombing cities (that’s exactly what one of them said).
Well, for the relatives of those children, compatriots and those of us who sympathize they are exactly that.
https://twitter.com/GSD1699/status/1489203092092383237?s=20
The vast majority of people who think they have a sense of “honour” are just egocentric infants trapped in adult bodies. They go around hurting others, and themselves because they are psychological inferior. This manifests in the fact that no one wants to be near them and no one, except other broken losers, want to be like them.
A small proportion of men with unacknowledged and extreme dependency issues also lionise these mental midgets. This is because they hide their dependency issues behind a false bravado that even tricks themselves. Those individuals at least tend to be smart and sensitive, though prone to being taken advantage of as they can’t see themselves as the easy target which they are.
As for the war, anyone notice that Russia is now fought to a standstill? I can tell pro-Russian partisans what is going to happen next, but they won’t like it. How on earth they expect to pacify Ukraine when they can’t even do the easy bit of advancing into neighbouring territory properly, I have no idea.
The number of thingssnd events which could now go wrong for them is dizzying, and they’re currently stuck in a war of attrition with an entire country.
Ukrainians will eventually win, because they live there. It might take a week or a year or even more, but that much is inevitable now.
Hilariously, the Great Russian hope seems to be the thought that plugging captive Ukrainians into their domestic propoganda machine, the only thing about Russia which seems to work as advertised, is a good idea. As if a bunch of poor Ukrainians with murdered friends, neighbours and relatives and going to get on board with the utterly dystopian pretense that Russia isn’t killing civilians and isn’t an aggressor.
With every day that goes by, Russians are investing in their own future extreme suffering. This is the other half of the tragedy, the obvious half being obvious the disgusting cruelty which Russia is showing the Ukrainians.
Putin continues to escalate as he realises that he is bought into a doomed plan, but, at some point, Biden will see that not meeting Putin is encouraging him. Then we are all in danger, but Russians more than most. It is a serious point and one that people should understand. De-escalation drills occasionally necessitate escalation, because anything else just makes it inevitable that Putin will continue to escalate.
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Go sit in the corner,
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As long as there's not direct NATO intervention (no fly zone etc), Russia is in no rush. If there is NATO intervention, then yes, Russia will need to turn Ukraine into a fire lake as soon as possible. And that is my biggest concern, as i view NATO intervention as probable.
But why Ukraine supporters would want Ukraine to be burned to ashes due to Russia rushing, I have no idea.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
What you seem to understand as honor is more like simple machismo or braggadocio.
Honor is a concept that extends far beyond anything martial and indeed will often prevent conflict, instead of amplifying it.
Fundamentally, in the modern world we have a rights based conception of the person, in the past it revolved much more around responsibilities, not rights. Unless you make this mental shift, honor will make little sense.
The modern world makes much of "niceness" or simple agreeableness and a morality based around the dictates of the State. People will often slyly state that they didn't do anything illegal, after all. Honor is internal, much more like the formation of conscience than law.
Honor extends into all aspects of life to such things as hospitality, honesty, and service to others. It is essentially my responsibility to uphold my obligations to the web of those around me. This includes the obligation to maintain the good things that past generations have passed to me, improve upon them as I may, and ready them for use by the next generation.
If any of you came to my house I would feel dishonored and embarrassed if I didn't offer proper hospitality; a pot of tea and a meal or a shared drink.
If I fail to help someone vulnerable and in need, it is a stain on my honor.
If anyone came to threaten or mistreat my family or friends I would be dishonored to let it pass unchallenged. Honor may occasionally call for physical violence, but a code of honorable behavior acts as a moderating influence, eliminating misunderstandings of behavior if followed. It is better to punish bad behavior than to let it stand unchallenged. To let it stand is allow a tear in the very fabric of society.
Our modern focus on "niceness" allows these tears to remain and grow wider, because it might be mean to call them out and hold people to account.
As a business man I have taken substantial financial losses to maintain my personal sense of honor and obligation; not just to the customer, but to myself. I've been told by others that it's irrational, that I should just walk away, that I have no legal obligation etc. Many times the customer hardly even shows appreciation for it. They may even think I'm foolish and by the standards of the modern world they are probably correct. However, at the end of the day, I have to live with myself regardless of what the rest of the world thinks. I've never regretted any of those decisions.
What is the spiritual life but the attempt to uphold the honor of God by us here on Earth? When one really considers the implications of that statement it gives a new perspective on both the responsibility and great privilege contained therein.
One would be willing to die to maintain honor because of the realization that this web of mutual responsibility is bigger and more important than any individual, and a life which has failed to uphold that, is fundamentally debased. This of course has to be tempered by a measure of forgiveness and mercy. Any concept can become overly rigid and extreme, including honor.
Perhaps one will think that honor is just touchy guys with swords getting pissed and that the world is better off without it. However, the honor-free world of the 20th century was unsurpassed in it's bloodshed and horror. I'd be inclined to say that we need more honor, not less.
Lol, pure bullshit. There’s absolutely no way to know how sincere POW statements are. And even if they themselves believed their own words to be sincere expressions of what they were feeling, get them back in Russia and watch their sentiments miraculously transform anew. It’s incredible you’d even attempt this feeble line of argument. The pro-Ukrainian side has enough talking points in its favor that there’s no need to stoop to this.
The problem is when honor is de-legitimized and men have no way to climb the social ladder with it||
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There was a qualitative difference between Rome's efforts to contain Christianity and Christianity's efforts to extirpate pagans. That this extirpation was carried out over a century or so shouldn't obscure the determination that Christians had to cleanse their lands of pagans.
This eventually reached a point where one was simply not permitted to be a pagan. You couldn't pay your obeisances and be on your way, as Christians could when they were on the outer. It would have been like being an avowed atheist in Saudi Arabia today. You might get away with it for a while, but eventually the fanatics would get to you.Replies: @sher singh, @German_reader
The Christian persecution of Pagans continues till this day.
Luckily, the Khalsa is created by Hari to end it||
https://twitter.com/Faizallapur/status/1496537770541600770
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I agree. I think people have been primed to accept America as a global policeman, and that “no fly zones” were evidently a bigger moral hazard, and more fraught with danger to the world, than anyone considered.
This is another part of it that has been eye-opening to me. Understandable why Ukrainians are pissed off, but the others?
One can observe some ethnic antagonisms in Western Europe, but they seem somewhat superficial and I have always suspected that they’ve been encouraged by the diversity regime, to make ethnic nationalism seem foolish and to stimy a united response.
But Eastern Europe seems like something else, like they run deep and are organic. (reminds me somewhat of East Asia) As an American, I’ve never really had a fear of Canadian or Mexican armies, so it is really hard to put myself in that frame of mind. But it is also weird because they were all puppet states, or else part of the USSR, so one would think that no victimhood narrative was allowed. (I wonder when Poles first learned about Katyn in school.) Maybe, it has been a big part of rhetoric, since the Warsaw Pact broke up? Or maybe, it is natural to resent people who had you under their thumb, in recent history? Seems very foolish. Do these people really understand what is happening Western Europe? I can’t think that they do – I can’t think that they understand the scale and quickness of it, or how susceptible their elites are to the same ideology.
I’ve heard that the Russian areas of the Baltic countries are really poor, and I wonder now whether that is because the state has kept them that way on purpose. Anyway, I’ve been pondering whether that could be a part of some peace deal. Resettling the Baltic Russians. Though, I’ve heard that they don’t want to leave, and that many are intermarried, or have children who have. I also get the idea that many of the younger folk have already left, since there are no jobs.
I'm not sure there are aren't ethnic resentments between the major nations in Western Europe. But yeah, probably nothing like in Eastern Europe. And as much as I hate the globohomo empire, I can't say I regard the attitude of many Eastern Europeans as something to admire or emulate either. The hopes of some Western right-wingers in this regard are probably misplaced.
There was a qualitative difference between Rome's efforts to contain Christianity and Christianity's efforts to extirpate pagans. That this extirpation was carried out over a century or so shouldn't obscure the determination that Christians had to cleanse their lands of pagans.
This eventually reached a point where one was simply not permitted to be a pagan. You couldn't pay your obeisances and be on your way, as Christians could when they were on the outer. It would have been like being an avowed atheist in Saudi Arabia today. You might get away with it for a while, but eventually the fanatics would get to you.Replies: @sher singh, @German_reader
I actually agree with this. One could argue that the pagans were complacent for too long and paid for it with the destruction of their world.
I’d just caution that Christianization was for a long time more a matter of legal discrimination than outright forced conversions (iirc that stage was only reached in the eastern empire under Justinian when it indeed became illegal to be a pagan, possibly under pain of death). But I agree with you about the larger dynamic.
Well it has been explicit Western massage to regime change Russia and turn it into the next Libya, slave markets and all. Russia of the 90’s wasn’t that far off. So it’s no surprise Russia doesn’t want this.
The biggest mistake the West made ever was not pulling Russia into NATO in the 90’s. Alas, it didn’t happen, so we are where we are.
Russia is Leeroy Jenkensing into a a new world order and they just might actually have a fighting chance. Low chance, but far from zero. Russians are right though – the whole eurodollar system needs to go. It’s obsolete and doesn’t meet the needs of modern world (You can observe it in TFRs).
When a Bandit can become a General, and be recognized for his ability is a fair Aryan society||
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Go sit in the corner,
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She’s not white, she’s Jewish.
The Soviets brutally crushed the Hungarian uprising in 1956, the West did nothing (after having egged on the rebels with radio broadcasts about liberty and all that). They also invaded Afghanistan, and the West reacted with sanctions and arms shipments (exactly what is now being done regarding Ukraine), nothing more. So this is hardly an unprecedented dynamic.Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW
The gobsmacking pronouncements of this or that thing about nuclear weapons and how they ought be wielded is hilarious. The Russians wrote the book on the how.
It seems to me that deriding the worth of your foe speaks to a certain inadequacy in your own societal self-conception. Insecurity in one's own position makes it necessary to dehumanize and minimize the worth of opposition.
In pre-modern times we didn't have such existential doubts about the virtue of our cause. The Roman vs. Carthaginian wars were justified by the very fact that your culture and traditions, ancestors, and family demanded that you prevail. The deepest loyalties cried from the very soil to urge one on. Nowadays, those cultural anchors are all gone, replaced by empty propaganda and derision.Replies: @AP, @AaronB, @Yahya
Indeed, you are quite correct. I believe Saladin behaved very beautifully and with great honor to his Christian foes, if I remember correctly, and certainly many Christians honored their Muslim enemies, and their European enemies.
It’s a beautiful thing, the loss of which makes our modern world uglier and smaller.
And I completely agree that being unable to honor your foe and enemy is a sign of small minded insecurity and weakness 🙂
That is how it is. In the end, modernity is insecure, afraid, and weak, and that is why it will not endure.
In pre-modern times, we were strong enough, robust enough, secure enough to respect our foes – we wanted enemies we can respect, because we were strong enough for that, because that distinguished us 🙂
The “empty propoganda and derision” that modernity thinks is the correct way to approach an enemy is a sign of lack of vitality and a declining culture that is on its death legs.
Let us hope for a return to beauty…
You really think Euromed villagers were sitting around saying, "Ah, those Muslim raiding parties are demons, but my word they are worthy foes. They fairly won those slaves they took. May God grant that we some day earn equal admiration in their eyes"?Replies: @AaronB
Establishment lackeys of dominant culture mislabel it "Trumpist". Most cannot grasp that MAGA is more important than any individual. Some fear it undermines their aspirations for total indoctrination society.
Efforts to crush MAGA are doomed to fail because its goal is transformive... A return to traditional values, hope, & joy.
PEACE 😇Replies: @AaronB
That is not for either of us to decide.
If Maga is truly aligned with the Truth, then the obvious joy of following it will spontaneously attract adherents.
By their fruits ye shall judge them…
So if that’s what you think, my friend, go live by it….see if it leads to deep joy and flourishing. If yes, yes. If no, no.
We shall all join you if yes 🙂
I am not opposed to all aspects of Maga, but I am not sure that it best represents the Way, myself…
It gives hope that we can return to traditional values in our places of worship, society, and government. Citizens want to be proud of their country, and deserve a country that respects & supports them.
PEACE 😇
The Soviets brutally crushed the Hungarian uprising in 1956, the West did nothing (after having egged on the rebels with radio broadcasts about liberty and all that). They also invaded Afghanistan, and the West reacted with sanctions and arms shipments (exactly what is now being done regarding Ukraine), nothing more. So this is hardly an unprecedented dynamic.Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW
Of course, not. This is not enforceable. What I meant by “legitimate” is more of a rational agreement. Do you really believe it’s ok to use the threat of nuclear weapons so casually? The Soviet Union did not do this. But Zhirinovsky had been doing this on national TV for 30 years making a normal relationship with Russia impossible (a big loss, it’s too late now). Even if we don’t talk about Russia, but other states, it’s just not good for the world community. The US has tactical nukes now and they could just put them on a sub somewhere and cruise around. Threaten those they don’t like, little actors, etc. Do you think that would be great?
It’s not (the whole encirclement and destruction doctrine is playing out right now) , but even if it is, that just means flamethrowers need to come out.
When Ukraine looks like Mekong Delta circa 1969, or Mosul 2017, there will be nobody left to pacify. There’s no such thing as “North Ukraine” or “Wilayat al-Ukraine” from where they can receive fully formed combat battalions.
As long as there’s not direct NATO intervention (no fly zone etc), Russia is in no rush. If there is NATO intervention, then yes, Russia will need to turn Ukraine into a fire lake as soon as possible. And that is my biggest concern, as i view NATO intervention as probable.
But why Ukraine supporters would want Ukraine to be burned to ashes due to Russia rushing, I have no idea.
And it is unseemly for a nuclear power to resort to outright bombings and nuclear threats when they find it hard to fight a conventional war. It appears cowardly. Oh, make no mistake, if Russia were successful, Russia would keep marching. Russia has no respect for the weak. However, it most likely wouldn't be under Putin, but some other future leader (Russian, or from Caucasus, or someone attending Eurasian shaman rituals during which he is being told that he is the reincarnation of some past Mongol warrior). Of course, they would first have to "process" Ukrainians and turn them into slaves, that could take decades. They would have to take a break to replenish themselves after this, some time, but they will march on if they can. If this calamity doesn't break them up. Btw, interesting question on how these sanctions might affect Russia's military industry... does it have any affect on the nuclear arsenal? The weapons were last tested 30 years ago?
And, above all... how are we going to get info from inside Russia if they ban YouTube and other media. Telegram?Replies: @German_reader, @songbird
It seems to me that they were designed to do that, and then a certain status quo evolved, when more than one player attained them.
The second player being a combination of Russia and the Ukraine (as well as other parts), which is a pretty big geopolitical distinction. They were part of the same country, as late as 1991. So, this isn’t an upset of the postwar order, only an upset of the post-Soviet order. Probably not much comfort to anyone in the former USSR outside of Russia, but, nevertheless, it still is a pretty big distinction and counts for something, in geopolitics. They haven’t crossed their 1991 line, so it is not an escalation in terms of Cold War relations.
I can’t see Putin invading the Baltics as there is a pretty big distinction between them and Ukraine. Namely, that they are NATO countries, but there are also an assortment of other factors that put them apart, such as them being less threatening (Could any realistically develop nuclear weapons?). Not having the same natural resources, or number of Russians.
I think Putin respects the atom.
The former Warsaw Pact countries should not be scared, IMO. Stalin was only able to establish control of them, since his army was marching through them anyway, on its way to Germany. He had the supply lines going there. This is a distinction that can be made with Albania and Yugoslavia, which, although communist were not puppet states, as there were no real Soviet supply lines established into those countries, when they were liberated by partisans. (Not to mention that it should be quite a bit harder to establish supply lines now, due to various technological upsets)
Putin has no organizing ideology to facilitate the formation of the equivalent of local communist parties, and doesn’t have the demographics to fill the necessary garrisons either. Maybe, one of his successors might, but at that point people in Eastern Europe may start to wish they aren’t under the nuclear umbrella of America. Things in the West are going downhill fast. In Germany, they can legally spy on AfD, and it is out in the open.
Again, this isn’t a normative issue. No, of course I don’t think Russia’s actions in regard to Ukraine have been “ok” (I’m generally not in favour of attacking other countries on blatantly made-up pretexts for some chimerical pursuit of world power status). But it’s not like Russia doesn’t face repercussions for this in the form of severe economic sanctions, and arms shipments to Ukraine. Maybe more could be done here…but in general it’s the limit of any responsible Western policy under present circumstances. Honestly, I think Poles and Balts who want some kind of direct intervention by NATO in Ukraine have taken leave of their senses. There might be a hypothetical risk of Russia attacking other countries if it succeeds in Ukraine (which could be an argument for at least trying to make it costly for Russia there by sending arms)…but a direct intervention is almost guaranteed to make Poland and the Baltic states targets for Russian retaliation. Are you sure you want that? If not, what are we even talking about here?
I don't personally believe they will succeed in creating a Triune Reich. A while back I posted some notes from General Ivashov who warned against this (there were a few other generals who warned as well). Sorry, if one has to pay Arabs $300 to join as mercenaries, then the obvious question is what the heck happened to the 1 million professional siloviks (did the mobilization of the reserve fail)? Who knows, maybe they'll come later.Replies: @German_reader
One can observe some ethnic antagonisms in Western Europe, but they seem somewhat superficial and I have always suspected that they've been encouraged by the diversity regime, to make ethnic nationalism seem foolish and to stimy a united response.
But Eastern Europe seems like something else, like they run deep and are organic. (reminds me somewhat of East Asia) As an American, I've never really had a fear of Canadian or Mexican armies, so it is really hard to put myself in that frame of mind. But it is also weird because they were all puppet states, or else part of the USSR, so one would think that no victimhood narrative was allowed. (I wonder when Poles first learned about Katyn in school.) Maybe, it has been a big part of rhetoric, since the Warsaw Pact broke up? Or maybe, it is natural to resent people who had you under their thumb, in recent history? Seems very foolish. Do these people really understand what is happening Western Europe? I can't think that they do - I can't think that they understand the scale and quickness of it, or how susceptible their elites are to the same ideology.
I've heard that the Russian areas of the Baltic countries are really poor, and I wonder now whether that is because the state has kept them that way on purpose. Anyway, I've been pondering whether that could be a part of some peace deal. Resettling the Baltic Russians. Though, I've heard that they don't want to leave, and that many are intermarried, or have children who have. I also get the idea that many of the younger folk have already left, since there are no jobs.Replies: @German_reader
If you want my brutally honest opinion, I think they don’t care. They care about their own national projects and nothing else, and are only interested in the west insofar as it might be useful to those projects. Some of them are probably even happy that Western Europe is going down, because of all the traditional Western European arrogance towards Eastern Europeans, and think that now they’re going to get their turn in the sun as the truly European part of Europe, while the west will end up in the gutter…the mighty laid low, while the virtuous lowly will thrive and avoid the fate of the decadent Westerners. Of course these sentiments apply even more when it comes to Germany.
I’m not sure there are aren’t ethnic resentments between the major nations in Western Europe. But yeah, probably nothing like in Eastern Europe. And as much as I hate the globohomo empire, I can’t say I regard the attitude of many Eastern Europeans as something to admire or emulate either. The hopes of some Western right-wingers in this regard are probably misplaced.
Alex Berenson tries to outdo the Administration with ridiculous excuses for the bio[warfare] labs in Ukraine:
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/dont-be-a-useful-idiot?s=r
But is not a war between European countries, but between Ukraine and Russia.
Ukraine claims to be “part of Europe”, but let’s be serious.
This is what postsoviet military* looks like after the 30 years of asset stripping and rule by mafia and oligarchs.
Everything far more chaotic, incompetent and disorganized than I could have even imagine.
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*Azerbaijan in 2020 was now like a strange exception to postsoviet life, as their military operation had appeared organized and technologically advanced, able to use new strategies and combined arms. Somehow their military budget had not all been used to fund Cristal bottles in Monaco.
As long as there's not direct NATO intervention (no fly zone etc), Russia is in no rush. If there is NATO intervention, then yes, Russia will need to turn Ukraine into a fire lake as soon as possible. And that is my biggest concern, as i view NATO intervention as probable.
But why Ukraine supporters would want Ukraine to be burned to ashes due to Russia rushing, I have no idea.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
1. There’s a risk of encirclement, but Russia would need to cover far more ground than it already has in order to achieve it, and Russian supply lines are already under attack and stretched to breaking point.
Furthermore, Ukrainian forces are well-supplied in their positions. They are on their own soil and have been preparing for 8 years in exactly those positions. This isn’t WW2 and the Eastern Front where you can catch your opponent in alien territory. They live there and they have been planning for this.
The cauldron and encirclement “tomorrow” talk is just idiot Russian fanboy cope by people who literally have no idea about military anything. You really think you have close to enough troops to close the Dnieper? Are you nuts? You’d have to defeat the Ukrainian army in the field first, and even then the inevitable insurgency would pick you apart.
2. Russia can stay but daily casualties taken are likely to multiply for Russia as they start to try to actually do the difficult and necessary tasks, rather than just driving up roads that directly border their bases. Mariupol basically all speaks Russian. It should be one of the easiest cities. It isn’t even big, but you’re struggling with it. You will lose tens of thousands trying to take Kyiv.
3. Ukraine has much more military power now than when they began the war. A fight of attrition with a professional army against an entire country with bow limitless supplies is the stupidest idea imaginable.
4. Ukraine does not want to be enslaved by Russia. That is obvious. The fact that Russia will have no resources to even try to buy them off long-term and that they will be economically doomed makes it even worse.
5. As for taking out “the flamethrower”, you Russians will only end up burning yourselves. Literally get f*cked with your cruel threats. It might seem clever to your small mind, but you’re confining yourselves to the rubbish bin of history. What a joke and what a tragedy.
6. If you want anything better for Russia than being a dirt poor country full of extreme bitterness, resentment and where everyone hates themselves and each other, you’ll be desperate for Putin to end his bungled “2 day liberation.” I don’t know why humans have this completely moronic tendency to double down and double down on disaster. It is an egocentric bullsh*t that surely a 5 year old would have the maturity to get past? Like sticking your hand in a fire again and again. Just stop.
I can explain some of what the Russians are doing. I'll use an outdated term to do it.
There will be a wedge of tanks backed by infantry and MLRS that will cut through segments of the Capital or Kharkhiv or indeed Maruipol. The aircraft and UAV will drop ARM on the MANPAD radars that go off. If the Ukrainians have SAM they will be blown apart as the ARM swarm in. It will be like a tornado tearing through the city. Like the Tornado in Moore OKC. Half a mile wide desolation all the way to the city center.Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
What is not talked about is the battlefield intelligence which certainly Nato provides to Ukrainian forces in real time. Nato AWACS planes are flying along the Polish, Slovak, Hungarian and Romanian borders and in Baltic states all the time and then there are satellites that provide images precise enough to be used for targeting by artillery but most importantly are used for optimal allocation of Ukrainian forces in response to Russian movements.Replies: @Commentator Mike
So, except for some harsh few years, there is nothing but a bright future ahead for Russia, regardless of whether it wins or loses.
Remember, the U.S. is the great Father of us all. If Russia loses, it will be the prodigal son of the parable, just like Germany once was.Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Triteleia Laxa, @German_reader
Maybe some of them. But on the other hand, he personally beheaded Reynald de Chatillon (because he had made moves to attack Mecca, and attacked Muslim pilgrims), and also had the members of the military orders captured at Hattin killed, to permanently break the military power of the kingdom of Jerusalem. So there were limits to the mercy granted to enemies.
You should read the Gesta Francorum. I did so a few years ago, and actually found it rather unsettling in parts, because the author describes acts of extreme violence (“We burned a castle full of heretics” about Bogomils in the Balkans, “We gave them the option of converting, and when they refused, we killed them all” about Muslims in the Near East) as if they had been nothing remarkable. Evidently he regarded them as righteous deeds.
That being said, one hardly regarded death as so terrible back then, certainly with nothing like the horror and fear we soft and materialistic moderns with no values do - so there's that.
But yes, pre-modern times were not all peaches and roses.
In my view, the best hope for the PRC in any kind of attempt to take over Taiwan is a highly limited military campaign that results in a swift decapitation and occupation. If PRC starts IJN-like with surprise attacks on US military bases around the Pacific, the former is going to get a lot more than it bargained for, even if it can swiftly defeat and occupy Taiwan. It would an American war-party's wet dream.
Contrary to Karlin's take, I think that Russia's failure to defeat and occupy Ukraine quickly lowered the chance of a prospective Chinese attempt on Taiwan in the near future, rather than raise it.
What the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and now the Russian campaign in Ukraine have demonstrated is that it is a quite the tightrope act these days for a great power to engage in a military campaign of invasion and total control of large territories, all without incurring large casualties or inflaming the locals with significant collateral damage. They certainly strengthen the argument that post-modern military operations should be limited in scope and short in duration.Replies: @Blinky Bill, @utu, @Dmitry
No, you cannot destroy military base thousands of kilometres away, with conventional missiles.
Ballistic missiles with that range would have most of their weight being fuel, so warheads themselves would be comparatively weak, relative to the missile size.
Cruise missiles with that range, the same issue, and they are very slow and can be easily intercepted from such ranges.
US or Japan would also have air-superiority as well, so China cannot use much aviation against them.
These bases are designed to repair damaged runways almost immediately. They have been installed with modern radar systems, air-defense systems, etc.
If China has entered war with USA or Japan, then China would lose an opportunity for air-superiority with Taiwan. (But probably this opportunity does not exist anyway, as Taiwan has a large airforce).
Compared to China, US and Japanese airforces have more advanced aircraft, higher levels of technology, etc.
Some kind of internal coup.
But to invade Taiwan in conventional way, would require more than a millions soldiers, to be transported by boat.
Taiwan’s Western beaches are next to mountains, where Taiwan has artillery. So China would be invading beaches, where Taiwan’s army would be firing above them from the mountains.
All China’s logistics and ammunition transported by boat, so they would have less firepower available than Taiwan from the landpower view.
Amphibious invasion is also almost considered geographically almost impossible in Taiwan strait, with strong current, changing depth of coast, little space for ships to land soldiers.
Considering this, academics are writing that conversation of invasion seems to be a kind of unrealistic threat.
There is no comparison. Ukraine is a third world country with indefensible flatland, next to Russia.
It should have been one of the easiest invasions, from logistical and geographical point of view.
Taiwan is a fortified island, separate from China, with a first world economy.
Taiwan would even have air superiority during the amphibious attack, as they have a very large airforce, with more advanced planes than China, including the F-16s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_Air_Force#Current_inventory
700 new modern fighters in last decade (still growing), very mature BVR, widespread AESA use...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJVKTy4aMAE1YWY.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNC3dnkakAUGWwp.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNTe-usXEAA9UiO.jpgReplies: @Dmitry, @Blinky Bill
It seems to me that deriding the worth of your foe speaks to a certain inadequacy in your own societal self-conception. Insecurity in one's own position makes it necessary to dehumanize and minimize the worth of opposition.
In pre-modern times we didn't have such existential doubts about the virtue of our cause. The Roman vs. Carthaginian wars were justified by the very fact that your culture and traditions, ancestors, and family demanded that you prevail. The deepest loyalties cried from the very soil to urge one on. Nowadays, those cultural anchors are all gone, replaced by empty propaganda and derision.Replies: @AP, @AaronB, @Yahya
Yes. In pre-modern times we went on genocidal wars of conquest without even batting an eyelash. We didn’t lose sleep over raping, pillaging and enslaving our conquered foes. Such was the confidence we had in ourselves, our virtue, our cause and our moral worth.
To AP: In summation, it is possible to oppose an enemy and consider him to be opposed to everything you stand for and yet respect him fully as such. Not to harp on "outdated concepts" again, but if you are formed culturally believing in and prioritizing traits such as honor and bravery, how can you fail to respect them in your enemies?
I agree with you that Romanticism took such things too far, as with the "Noble Savage" ideal, but it doesn't mean that they have no basis in reality.Replies: @Yahya
On a more serious note, in good old days of antiquity, two prominent displays of magnanimity towards thine enemies can be found in the Book of Jonah and Aeschylus’ The Persians. Incidentally both of these come from the most literate and articulate peoples of the time – Greeks and Jews – so perhaps there is a survivorship bias at play. I’m sure some Germanic or Scythian tribes portrayed enemies sympathetically in their folklore, but were not able to record their magnanimity for a lack of literacy.
– Jonah 3, New King James Version
Aeschylus’ sympathetic portrayal of the Persians is even more remarkable considering he fought in the Greco-Persian Wars; as did his brother, who died in combat.
Cauldron? Fan boy? You had to look up the terms before you replied.
I can explain some of what the Russians are doing. I’ll use an outdated term to do it.
There will be a wedge of tanks backed by infantry and MLRS that will cut through segments of the Capital or Kharkhiv or indeed Maruipol. The aircraft and UAV will drop ARM on the MANPAD radars that go off. If the Ukrainians have SAM they will be blown apart as the ARM swarm in. It will be like a tornado tearing through the city. Like the Tornado in Moore OKC. Half a mile wide desolation all the way to the city center.
They haven’t. Some Ukrainian commander said that he wouldn’t be taking any prisoners among Russian artillerymen, specifically, because they have been targeting and bombing residential areas. But not all Russian soldiers.
If that commander really wants to carry out such a policy, he should at least keep quiet about it.
Eastern Europe really is doomed. You can almost smell the butchery that’s about to break out.
Well Aaron, allow me to afford you the opportunity to practice what you preach. You need an intellectual opponent to tell you that you’re preaching utterly romanticized garbage. When people respond to you respectfully, it just encourages you to become completely uninhibited and start saying the craziest things.
You really think Euromed villagers were sitting around saying, “Ah, those Muslim raiding parties are demons, but my word they are worthy foes. They fairly won those slaves they took. May God grant that we some day earn equal admiration in their eyes”?
I was a bit drunk last night, it was a Friday.
Now Silvio, go do something fine, wonderful, romantic, and irrational - it will do your soul good, trust me.
It is nice of you to admit that Nazism is the core of “Ukrainianness”, but we knew that already. Nazism is, also, the core of “Latvianness” so it would be a prudent move to “denazify” Latvia as well.
I have never ever in my whole life been so starved of real information as I am now. I give up. I’ll check back in to weeks.
I suppose that’s merely angry bluster (understandable given the circumstances), but it’s a pretty terrible idea. There’s nothing in the Geneva conventions stating that one could just execute all members of a specific combat branch, because one has declared them to be war criminals.
If that commander really wants to carry out such a policy, he should at least keep quiet about it.
I hadn’t been paying much attention to the political chatter about No Fly Zones because it seemed totally crazy to me. But since you’ve brought it up, here’s my question…
I assume you’re talking about having American and NATO planes shoot down any Russian planes flying combat missions in Ukraine. Doesn’t that mean a Russia-NATO war? And wouldn’t it be likely that the Russians would then retaliate by targeting the NATO airbases of those planes with missiles to try to put them out of action?
Aren’t you just saying NATO should declare war on Russia over Ukraine? And isn’t that more than a little dangerous?
All those who emphasize the risk and danger of the no-fly zone forget that the only reason for the asymmetry are Russian threats of using nuclear weapons according to their doctrine (never tried) of deescalation (of conventional conflict) via nuclear escalation. I think we should call them on it. They won'y have guts to do it even if Putin claims that he would go to heaven while we would just croak. Russians will not use nuclear weapons and you probably should agree to be consistent with your assessment of Putin being rational and good.Replies: @Dmitry, @mal
You had gone three posts in a row without once mentioning asset-stripping, so I was starting to worry.
But phew, I can now relax – things are back to normal.
According to American intelligence close to 90% of Ukrainian forces remain intact and operational. 56 Ukrainian fighter jets are still operational but many airfields are destroyed. Russia makes about 200 sorties a day but most remain outside of Ukraine territory where from they launch missiles. They failed to destroy Ukrainian air defenses which are on the move all the time.
What is not talked about is the battlefield intelligence which certainly Nato provides to Ukrainian forces in real time. Nato AWACS planes are flying along the Polish, Slovak, Hungarian and Romanian borders and in Baltic states all the time and then there are satellites that provide images precise enough to be used for targeting by artillery but most importantly are used for optimal allocation of Ukrainian forces in response to Russian movements.
Great Channel! Patrick Lancaster in Donetsk Republic, awesome Youtubes
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbjTWVaRx6jMN5ZYgbqe2_w
for instance
Ukraine War: In Search Of Life In Ghost Towns Near Donetsk Airport (Very Sad)
Anti Ukraine DPR Evacuates Key City (Debaltsevo) By Train. (Family Members Left Behind)
Russia & DPR Take Control Of Volnovakha (Update)
and many others. He also interviews people in Russian – there are English subtitles.
People show how their homes have been destroyed by shelling by Ukraine Banderist nationalists
I assume you're talking about having American and NATO planes shoot down any Russian planes flying combat missions in Ukraine. Doesn't that mean a Russia-NATO war? And wouldn't it be likely that the Russians would then retaliate by targeting the NATO airbases of those planes with missiles to try to put them out of action?
Aren't you just saying NATO should declare war on Russia over Ukraine? And isn't that more than a little dangerous?Replies: @German_reader, @utu
Not only that, it would probably also mean having to bomb anti-air sites and other ground installations within Russia (and maybe Belarus), given the reach of Russia’s S-300 and S-400.
Lol I’m watching about Israel’s right-wing interior minister’s “generous” offer for non-Jewish-roots Ukrainians.
She says at 1:18 they will allow 20,000 (who already illegal immigrants) to temporarily stay in Israel. To say another way, they will not deport those people during the war.
At 1:46 she says they will allow 5,000 more Ukrainians to be temporary refugees in Israel.
So it’s really they are only allocating space for 5,000 (non-Jewish roots Ukrainians). (The 20,000 number is just about not deporting people).
While, (supposedly anti-immigrant Visegrad) Poland has allowed already 1,400,000 Ukrainian refugees, Israel is just allowing 5000 (non-Jewish roots) Ukrainian refugees.
But if you have Jewish roots to third generation, in Israel the Prime Minister was going for celebration photos with the plane of Ukrainians arriving. American Christian supporters will be happy because they believe there is a Biblical prophecy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ME7YIup_HY
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-bennett-wants-ukraine-to-surrender-official-says-israel-s-mediation-useless-1.10668879
Bennet is not alone. German politicians and many Europeans politicians would like Ukraine to surrender as soon as possible so they could go back to the state from before the war (sorry this is not a war but humanitarian intervention and if you do not agree with it you may get 15 years in Putin's gulag) and conduct business with Russia as usual.
But there will be no return to the status quo ante bellum. Germany will have to return to Western alliance as its enthusiastic member and Russia will be turned into the pariah nation that will live on the kindness of strangers. Mostly China that will exploit her while feeling contempt for her.
It was the UK and the US 'deep state' that trained and armed Ukrainians in the preceding months while politicians were talking mostly nonsense often repeating Russian propaganda that Russia would never attack.
As far as Israel and Ukrainian refugees you shouldn't be too surprised. Israel is not a part of the world we live in or at least Israel does not play by the rules that most people in this world believe.Replies: @Dmitry, @LondonBob
Total number of J-20s flown (including 201X/2X/3X prototypes) probably broke the three digit mark sometime in late 2021.
700 new modern fighters in last decade (still growing), very mature BVR, widespread AESA use…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Air_Force#Current_inventoryReplies: @Blinky Bill, @Blinky Bill
In the event of a conflict, the quantitative balance of power will likely further worsen for the ROCAF as the much greater weight of initial PLA missile strikes will likely degrade ROCAF sortie rates and continue to degrade ROCAF sortie rates as airbases and temporary airfields suffer re-attack during the air war.
The PLA’s quantitative fighter advantage will almost certainly be further compounded by the much larger advantage in AEW&C aircraft, standoff EW/ECM aircraft, and ELINT aircraft, where the PLA not only enjoys a significant advantage in airframe numbers but also overall system capability, size, and endurance.
I don’t know why you bring up “direct intervention” — as I didn’t even mention it. The perspective of the Western Europeans is understandable. They hope this will just resolve itself. I was merely saying that the problem will remain, if Russia prevails, during the next crisis, 15-20 years from now, or whenever (they do this every time oil reaches $100), Russia will employ the same nuclear black mail and the West will be facing the same problem, just worse, because it will no longer have the luxury of the Ukrainian buffer. The Ukrainian soldier will no longer be propping everyone up.
I don’t personally believe they will succeed in creating a Triune Reich. A while back I posted some notes from General Ivashov who warned against this (there were a few other generals who warned as well). Sorry, if one has to pay Arabs $300 to join as mercenaries, then the obvious question is what the heck happened to the 1 million professional siloviks (did the mobilization of the reserve fail)? Who knows, maybe they’ll come later.
I mean, what else can be done realistically?
I don't personally believe they will succeed in creating a Triune Reich. A while back I posted some notes from General Ivashov who warned against this (there were a few other generals who warned as well). Sorry, if one has to pay Arabs $300 to join as mercenaries, then the obvious question is what the heck happened to the 1 million professional siloviks (did the mobilization of the reserve fail)? Who knows, maybe they'll come later.Replies: @German_reader
I didn’t write one should do nothing. I’m fine with sending anti-tank weapons and anti-air missiles to Ukraine and supplying Ukraine with intelligence. If Russia insists on total victory, it should be as painful as possible for them. And apart from that sanctions, and re-armament within NATO to provide credible deterrence. And of course humanitarian assistance and reception of Ukrainian refugees.
I mean, what else can be done realistically?
Mariupol is defended by Azov, some of the more fanatical guys, and they are losing ground. Once Mariupol falls, it will free up reserves for other fronts. That’s kinda how it works.
So what you are saying is Russia should just nuke Kiev and be done with it? Fine, if you want that. It can be done. I can’t even imagine why you would want that.
OK. Then they will burn. I don’t see why this is such a happy outcome for you.
People have been predicting the end of Russia since the Mongols burned Ryazan in 1240’s AD. Yawn. Still here.
False. Russia needs to finish what it started. With fire if necessary, though nice way is preferred.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etLJZOilDn0
At 1:46 she says they will allow 5,000 more Ukrainians to be temporary refugees in Israel. So it's really they are only allocating space for 5,000 (non-Jewish roots Ukrainians). (The 20,000 number is just about not deporting people). While, (supposedly anti-immigrant Visegrad) Poland has allowed already 1,400,000 Ukrainian refugees, Israel is just allowing 5000 (non-Jewish roots) Ukrainian refugees. But if you have Jewish roots to third generation, in Israel the Prime Minister was going for celebration photos with the plane of Ukrainians arriving. American Christian supporters will be happy because they believe there is a Biblical prophecy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA7g1EXLI2UReplies: @Dmitry, @utu, @songbird
YouTube can see I am searching related topics to Jews, so I am recommended a stockexchange video for my suggested video.
Here was the right suggested video I mean to post. The funding for the refugees planes to Israel was from an American Christian charity.
I assume you're talking about having American and NATO planes shoot down any Russian planes flying combat missions in Ukraine. Doesn't that mean a Russia-NATO war? And wouldn't it be likely that the Russians would then retaliate by targeting the NATO airbases of those planes with missiles to try to put them out of action?
Aren't you just saying NATO should declare war on Russia over Ukraine? And isn't that more than a little dangerous?Replies: @German_reader, @utu
NATO planes in Ukraine would have the same legitimacy as Russian planes in Syria: An invitation by a legitimate government of a sovereign state. A deconflicting protocol would be eventually arrived at just like Russia negotiated it with Israel which resulted in that Russia never fired at Israeli fighters breaching Syrian airspace and never allowed Syrians do it with newly gifted S-300 or S-400 systems.
All those who emphasize the risk and danger of the no-fly zone forget that the only reason for the asymmetry are Russian threats of using nuclear weapons according to their doctrine (never tried) of deescalation (of conventional conflict) via nuclear escalation. I think we should call them on it. They won’y have guts to do it even if Putin claims that he would go to heaven while we would just croak. Russians will not use nuclear weapons and you probably should agree to be consistent with your assessment of Putin being rational and good.
You are exactly the type of person why I think nuking Kiev won't be such a bad idea after all. Exactly, "calling them on it", as you say. You are absolutely right.
700 new modern fighters in last decade (still growing), very mature BVR, widespread AESA use...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJVKTy4aMAE1YWY.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNC3dnkakAUGWwp.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNTe-usXEAA9UiO.jpgReplies: @Dmitry, @Blinky Bill
According to Wikipedia, there are now Chengdu J-20 This is the most modern project, which is described as “world’s third operational fifth-generation “. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20
Its engine which allows its designated performance is not introduced yet. So, no planes with the modern engine yet though.
Other planes in this will surely be unlikely comparable to Taiwan’s new F-16V planes. A lot of Soviet originated planes still and some attempts for modernizing of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Air_Force#Current_inventory
Image showing a Chinese flight testing the long-awaited WS-15 engine have been released, following multiple indications that the new engine is set to enter service. The WS-15 was previously tested on a number of larger non-combat airframes, and its integration onto a fighter indicates it has reached it's final stage of development.So, we can count new engine's nozzle petals, looks like max 13. Different to WS-10B TVC which has 15.https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJaveYwacAQAZYc.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJavjblacAImcZt.jpg
Never bring a knife to a gunfight
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700 new modern fighters in last decade (still growing), very mature BVR, widespread AESA use...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJVKTy4aMAE1YWY.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNC3dnkakAUGWwp.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNTe-usXEAA9UiO.jpgReplies: @Dmitry, @Blinky Bill
The balance of air power across the Taiwan Strait 10 years ago was at approximate parity. Twenty years ago, the balance of air power could have been said to favor the ROCAF. However as of 2020, the overall quality and quantity of tactical fighter aircraft, force multipliers, jamming aircraft, weapons, and subsystems is one which favors the the PLAAF, even assuming the PLA only fields one-third of its tactical fighter fleet.
In the event of a conflict, the quantitative balance of power will likely further worsen for the ROCAF as the much greater weight of initial PLA missile strikes will likely degrade ROCAF sortie rates and continue to degrade ROCAF sortie rates as airbases and temporary airfields suffer re-attack during the air war.
The PLA’s quantitative fighter advantage will almost certainly be further compounded by the much larger advantage in AEW&C aircraft, standoff EW/ECM aircraft, and ELINT aircraft, where the PLA not only enjoys a significant advantage in airframe numbers but also overall system capability, size, and endurance.
’44 might as well be a thousand years ago.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNhPYFTXEAAzKYL.jpgReplies: @Veteran of the Memic Wars
Yeah, pretty much that.
I can explain some of what the Russians are doing. I'll use an outdated term to do it.
There will be a wedge of tanks backed by infantry and MLRS that will cut through segments of the Capital or Kharkhiv or indeed Maruipol. The aircraft and UAV will drop ARM on the MANPAD radars that go off. If the Ukrainians have SAM they will be blown apart as the ARM swarm in. It will be like a tornado tearing through the city. Like the Tornado in Moore OKC. Half a mile wide desolation all the way to the city center.Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
I may be wrong but I believe that typically MANPADs do not have radar, and have seen claims that the US is providing targeting info from EWACS aircraft that are outside Ukrainian airspace.
AWACS in Poland enables Ukrainian radar based air defenses to operate in passive mode - they don't need to actively search with radar and get blown up by anti-radiation missile from the Russians. Instead, AWACS sends out a signal, acquires a target, and then sends targeting information to Ukrainian passive radar and targeting station. Ukraine then can fire while staying invisible. Very annoying, but not impossible to overcome.
MANPADS are IR (infrared) and look for heat sources such as engines or tail rotors of helicopters.
AWACS in Poland enables Ukrainian radar based air defenses to operate in passive mode – they don’t need to actively search with radar and get blown up by anti-radiation missile from the Russians. Instead, AWACS sends out a signal, acquires a target, and then sends targeting information to Ukrainian passive radar and targeting station. Ukraine then can fire while staying invisible. Very annoying, but not impossible to overcome.
All those who emphasize the risk and danger of the no-fly zone forget that the only reason for the asymmetry are Russian threats of using nuclear weapons according to their doctrine (never tried) of deescalation (of conventional conflict) via nuclear escalation. I think we should call them on it. They won'y have guts to do it even if Putin claims that he would go to heaven while we would just croak. Russians will not use nuclear weapons and you probably should agree to be consistent with your assessment of Putin being rational and good.Replies: @Dmitry, @mal
Whether there would be no fly zone, or not, most of the destruction of cities in Ukraine will be from artillery, not from the air force.
Russian air power is using unguided weapons, as precision weapons are very limited. This is why the air force has not been very effective in the military area, as (excluding the Su-25, rotary, etc) can only destroy fixed targets. And target bank for these seems to be very limited.
But the main damage is artillery either way. Airforce seems to be less than expected. Kharkov and Mariupol are being destroyed mainly by artillery, not air force.
Same in Second Chechen campaigns. A lot of artillery.
All those who emphasize the risk and danger of the no-fly zone forget that the only reason for the asymmetry are Russian threats of using nuclear weapons according to their doctrine (never tried) of deescalation (of conventional conflict) via nuclear escalation. I think we should call them on it. They won'y have guts to do it even if Putin claims that he would go to heaven while we would just croak. Russians will not use nuclear weapons and you probably should agree to be consistent with your assessment of Putin being rational and good.Replies: @Dmitry, @mal
Good luck with that. You should certainly do that and also provide your country of residence name. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.
You are exactly the type of person why I think nuking Kiev won’t be such a bad idea after all. Exactly, “calling them on it”, as you say. You are absolutely right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etLJZOilDn0
At 1:46 she says they will allow 5,000 more Ukrainians to be temporary refugees in Israel. So it's really they are only allocating space for 5,000 (non-Jewish roots Ukrainians). (The 20,000 number is just about not deporting people). While, (supposedly anti-immigrant Visegrad) Poland has allowed already 1,400,000 Ukrainian refugees, Israel is just allowing 5000 (non-Jewish roots) Ukrainian refugees. But if you have Jewish roots to third generation, in Israel the Prime Minister was going for celebration photos with the plane of Ukrainians arriving. American Christian supporters will be happy because they believe there is a Biblical prophecy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA7g1EXLI2UReplies: @Dmitry, @utu, @songbird
‘Bennett Wants Ukraine to Surrender‘: Ukraine Senior Official Says Israel’s Mediation Is Useless
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-bennett-wants-ukraine-to-surrender-official-says-israel-s-mediation-useless-1.10668879
Bennet is not alone. German politicians and many Europeans politicians would like Ukraine to surrender as soon as possible so they could go back to the state from before the war (sorry this is not a war but humanitarian intervention and if you do not agree with it you may get 15 years in Putin’s gulag) and conduct business with Russia as usual.
But there will be no return to the status quo ante bellum. Germany will have to return to Western alliance as its enthusiastic member and Russia will be turned into the pariah nation that will live on the kindness of strangers. Mostly China that will exploit her while feeling contempt for her.
It was the UK and the US ‘deep state’ that trained and armed Ukrainians in the preceding months while politicians were talking mostly nonsense often repeating Russian propaganda that Russia would never attack.
As far as Israel and Ukrainian refugees you shouldn’t be too surprised. Israel is not a part of the world we live in or at least Israel does not play by the rules that most people in this world believe.
A rational solution for Israel neutrality, it would be to not give weapons to Ukraine and to accept a lot of refugees from Ukraine. But they continue to follow stubbornly formalism instead of allowing Ukrainian refugees. Their formalism for immigration both more liberal and not liberal than a normal country. For example, I can go to live in Israel, more easily than in most Western countries, as I have a right for repatriation to Israel due to Jewish roots to the third generation. This is formalism, as am not more Jewish than e.g. an average non-Jewish Ukrainian. It becomes almost too liberal to allow people like me during the peacetime. (Although I can happily become more so if I would immigrate there in the future). At the same time, in the wartime they were requiring 10,000 NIS deposits from non-Jewish roots refugees from Ukraine. If you are even just married to someone with a Jewish great--grandmother, you can go there and receive $10,000 absorption funds. The distinction is more or less arbitrary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Air_Force#Current_inventoryReplies: @Blinky Bill, @Blinky Bill
Wikipedia claims there are 150 J-20, unfortunately there is only photographic evidence for 110 give or take.
Image showing a Chinese flight testing the long-awaited WS-15 engine have been released, following multiple indications that the new engine is set to enter service. The WS-15 was previously tested on a number of larger non-combat airframes, and its integration onto a fighter indicates it has reached it’s final stage of development.
So, we can count new engine’s nozzle petals, looks like max 13. Different to WS-10B TVC which has 15.
This fulda gap shit is just so silly. So ignorant.
The Russians have been warning US/NATO for many years not to try to flip Ukraine. Pat Buchanan predicted all of this in 1999. And it has jack shit to do with Russia wanting to conquer Europe, or whatever silly line Nuland/Neocon/Armaments Industry/USkraine are feeding us now.
Fuck you people, you’re a bunch of lying glow in the dark fucks. Crawl back to Langley, vermin.
Weren’t you the one suggesting ” I think we should call them on it.”?
And wasn’t Triteleia Laxa saying that Russians will suffer massive casualties?
I’m just following the logic of you two.
What both of you are saying is that nuking Kiev will avoid massive Russian casualties (per Tritelieia), and will answer your “calling them on it”.
It ain’t yours truly who suggests Russians should nuke Kiev, it’s you two. Storming Kiev has problems, and you guys and gals are the ones providing the solution.
Nuking Kiev is on you guys and gals, not on the Russians.
So go ahead and “call them on it” and scare them with mass casualties. Just like you said, Russians may lose the nerve and adopt your advice to nuke Kiev. I don’t see how it will benefit Ukraine though.
Thanks, for telling me about the Baltics.
Actually, I’d have preferred different Euro ethnic countries here. And, color me naive, but I don’t think it would have inevitably led to industrialized war, in the 20th century, as there was so much space, it is not plausible that it would have had time to fill up.
Some competition, instead of the consolidation of power, where the ethnic antipathies are racial and built-into the system, and the most barbaric people, utterly incapable of civilization are being direct-flighted into even the most remote areas.
I wasn’t trying to imply I was, just that America has providential geography, and no scalar equivalent of being a former part of the Russian Empire next to Russia.
I never felt scared of being invaded, even when I was a little kid, and some of my peers were scared of Saddam. I’ve always understood that America has awe-inspiring power, and it would be foolish for anyone to mess with it.
There are many petty Western European antipathies. (And some have been expressed here) Maybe, Western Europeans are more morally culpable for maintaining them. But it seems to be a much weaker dynamic, IMO. Probably, for many understandable reasons.
For me, I see this as an issue with Bolshevism, not Russians. The majority of the communist party in the ’30s wasn’t even ethnically Russian. It was Jewish. And, of course, Stalin wasn’t a Russian, though Khrushchev was. Russia has abandoned this ideology, in a pretty spectacular and even destructive way. And its ethnic composition has changed from that time, with Jews favored with special rules abroad to immigrate to places like America. I suppose those that remain are still quite powerful in Russia, though seemingly more powerful in Ukraine.
Brutal, only compared to peace. In historical context, it’s been a relatively (key word) gentle invasion. Russians have tried to open civilian corridors to cities. They haven’t carpetbombed cities, or destroyed dams. Or practiced scorched earth. I can’t see them systematically murdering thousands of Ukrainian officers when this is over, or deporting millions into Siberia, to toil in death mines. Putin’s rhetoric is mixed with messages of brotherhood. It is obvious that he is concerned with optics, and trying to minimize both civilian and military casualties. And why wouldn’t he? Why wouldn’t it be in his interest for everyone to surrender?
My philosophy of morality is that moral maximization is a difficult business that involves many factors. We can’t treat it like an emotional or reflex impulse. Our starting point in trying to avert future evils should be today, and not the past because the past is about vengeance, and we don’t have a time machine.
I reject the idea that Putin needs to be fought in the Ukraine or he will roll over the West, as I do not see that as a realistic possibility, or one of his goals. So, what does that leave us with? What moral factors are we trying to maximize?
Sovereignty of Ukraine?
Well, this is a multiple factor analysis. We must ask again what are Putin’s goals? If only Crimea and the two republics, then, IMO, it is very foolish for anyone to fight him. How would you make Russia give them up? And they are filled with Russians anyway, so what is the point? It’s not a Wilsonian principal, certainly. Or does he want the Eastern part, that has many Russians in it? (sort of a muddled issue, by Wilsonian logic) Perhaps, the whole Black Sea Coast? Again, there is a lot of Russians there, so muddled.
It is my belief that he does not want to take Galicia, but leave that aside. What if he wants the whole?Sovereignty is largely an illusion. Realistically, it is not the people in power, but the elite, and it is doubtful they have the people’s interests in heart. I don’t see the Ukrainian elite as inherently better than the Russian. In fact, as far as future-orientation goes, I strongly think they would be better off in Russia’s sphere than America’s, and I say that, as an American, so I do understand at least that side of it. (But perhaps not the other?)
I don’t want to be tedious by spelling out every moral consideration, that has entered my head, but a big one is possible famine. There are a lot of unresolved questions about the potentialities for 1.) wheat production to be cut off in the Ukraine. 2.) fertilizer exports to be cut off – as I understand it, you can’t gear up immediately to mass produce fertilizer, it would take at least a year. 3.) food to be cut off from export from Russia.
Maybe, only #1 will happen? But that still has the potential to be very destabilizing. And I don’t believe any of the Western pols who are warhawks are even thinking about it. Probably many are concerned with making money by trading Raytheon stocks.
Maybe not on an industrialized level, but there would have been competition. Large parts of America are uninhabited (and should stay so) but there are some parts that are more attractive than others. I mean, minus 40 degrees Celsius... come on. :) Where do sentences like this come from? This is a purely subjective bias as I suspect you have zero experience with this beyond conspiracist sites or what not. We've been over this so many times. Yes to the above, but also the fact is that the people that stormed the streets of Petrograd, as well as the sailors, were predominantly Slavic. Historical context here is irrelevant, because our tolerance for violence is very low. In Eastern Europe, since the 1940s, we don't expect such levels of violence. What happened in 2014 was already extraordinarily violent. To call this a "gentle invasion" is very unkind, if this happened in your town, would you call it a "gentle invasion"? Would your womenfolk call it that? Not really. They wanted to open a corridor to Russia. That's stealing people. And acting as if Russia has already occupied those territories and is entitled to those people, which it hasn't and is not. People are dying of dehydration as we speak because of Russia's actions, you are simply justifying it because of your political bias. Oh, how very humane and merciful of them. Just listen to yourself. Let's do to yours what has been done to them and be relieved, like you are. Because the old vampire is no Stalin and he can't do it. What you mention above was only possible because of an army of local traitors and enforcers. In the current situation, nobody in Russia's neighborhood wants that system. If Putler had that power, with all the capable and enfranchised traitors, he would take all the liberties he could. If not Putin himself, then the likes of Patrushev or Kadyrov definitely. It's just that they can't. Putin's rhetoric is at this point entirely meaningless, he knew very well beforehand what he was going to do. He was talking about "brotherhood" while all the plans of occupation were already laid out. I see how it must feel comfortable (or indifferent) to you doling out other peoples' land. I truly wish that you and yours get to experience that yourself one day. You should be able to enjoy the full human experience. Ivano Frankivsk was bombed yesterday. No, any kind of free Ukraine will be a thorn in his side. Please talk that way about your own sovereignty, not that of others. Approach your statesmen and businessmen and let them know that their control over their resources is nothing but an illusion and it would be totally ok if some monster from overseas were to come and take it. After all, it's just an illusion anyway. So who cares, right? Irrelevant. One's elite is one's elite, it doesn't matter which one is better or worse. Why don't you have a foreign elite as your overlord? Don't assume that everyone hates their elites the way you hate yours. There are plenty of patriots in the Ukrainian elite. Majority, in fact. Don't project your subjective defeatist worldview on E.Europeans. They should be in neither sphere, they have their own culture. Spheres of interest are an illusion these days, they are willful. Nobody can force us to speak Russian or English, we do it on our own volition. We are free to criticize or praise either government or any ideas. As to the worldview or culture to be absorbed, Ukrainian culture is strong and self-sufficient. Btw, Russian influence does not guarantee freedom from the woke. Hedonism has been prevalent in Russian since 1991. The current restrictions that are imposed on Russians will deny them freedom, but they will not control their hedonism. Divorces will still happen and TFRs will still be meagre. Ukraine was putting out record levels of grain right before the invasion. The ports were busy. Then Russia came in and destroyed it.
Did you smoke some weed before you wrote your comment? :) It certainly seems like it.Replies: @songbird
As if the Ukrainians you pretend to give a fuck about aren’t the same as the Russians, and vice-versa.
As if anyone who thinks you’re a piece of shit must be Russian, and not just gifted with eyes to see.
Whereas you and your pals @ Langley would like to prolong Ukrainian suffering as long as possible in your quest to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.
Pride got the better of you, so you couldn’t help but give your boys a shout-out. Must be tough knowing all human beings hate you.
Reality check: leading up to the invasion, the Ukrainian regime was “repeating the Russian propaganda” that Russia wouldn’t attack, to a far greater degree than pols in US or UK were.
Of course, they did so to prevent civilians from fleeing and saving themselves (hard to use people as human shields to hide behind if they’ve left the country).
“Deep state” vermin are responsible for all of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etLJZOilDn0
At 1:46 she says they will allow 5,000 more Ukrainians to be temporary refugees in Israel. So it's really they are only allocating space for 5,000 (non-Jewish roots Ukrainians). (The 20,000 number is just about not deporting people). While, (supposedly anti-immigrant Visegrad) Poland has allowed already 1,400,000 Ukrainian refugees, Israel is just allowing 5000 (non-Jewish roots) Ukrainian refugees. But if you have Jewish roots to third generation, in Israel the Prime Minister was going for celebration photos with the plane of Ukrainians arriving. American Christian supporters will be happy because they believe there is a Biblical prophecy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA7g1EXLI2UReplies: @Dmitry, @utu, @songbird
Israelis seem to be winning the demographic battle, at the moment. Perhaps, the calculus would be different, if they weren’t.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Air_Force#Current_inventoryReplies: @Blinky Bill, @Blinky Bill
Sukhoi Su-35S vs F-16V
Never bring a knife to a gunfight
If Russia decides to hang out in Galicia, it will get defeated there, AP is right about that.
For the rest of it though, think of it as Kulikovo in 1380 AD. Russia wants to recreate the Russian World and not be a slave to anybody’s political economy. I have no idea if we will succeed, but it’s a healthy inclination.
People think of Ukraine conflict as if it’s about Ukraine, but it really isn’t, in the grand scheme of things. Far bigger things are happening. Again, no guarantee Russia will succeed in those, but we do have a fighting chance, and that’s something.
Russia will have a hard time in Kharkiv, Dnipro, etc. also.
Overall, things haven't changed. Russia keeps losing men and equipment, Ukraine keeps losing land. The race is on, to see whether or not Russia runs out of men and equipment before Ukraine runs out of land - or how much of Ukraine Russia manages to take before it inevitably runs out of men and equipment.Replies: @mal
1) You can't possibly succeed against a larger force.
2) We will deny you the status of heroes.
It's such textbook propoganda meant to sap morale.
People fight and die to be heroes.
However, for the imperialistic force to "explain" to their victims that they are not autonomous individuals but merely weak children being manipulated, and that imperialistic force "knows better" what they think - this is absolutely disastrous propoganda, but surprisingly difficult for imperialistic forces to avoid.
It's primary effect is to stiffen resistance, because it provides such an absolutely glaring reminder of the paternalistic contempt in which the imperialistic power holds it's victim - and just how much of an "inferior" he is considered by the aggressor force, with all the implications this has for what sort of treatment he will suffer should he be conquered. It's such a perfect reflection of the attitude or arrogance and contempt that led to the physical invasion to begin with.
Much better propoganda would be to recognize and express admiration for the heroism and sacrifice of your victim - to show that you do not consider him a contemptible inferior, but a fully autonomous actor - to convince him he may expect respect and dignified treatment, some level of equality, should he be conquered - to convince him his sacrifice may not be necessary.
That might stand a chance of weakening morale. But contempt only stiffens resistance.
Nevertheless, imperial empires can never resist expressing this kind of utterly counterproductive, paternalistic contempt for their victims, because it is the natural outgrowth of the imperial mindset.
They wouldn't be imperial if they didn't have this very mindset and value system, and expressing it clearly is a necessary part of the "fun" of being imperial.
So they have no choice, really, to be stupid and self defeating...Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke, @John Leonard
Hmm…. it seems that all human beings are capable of contempt for their adversaries. You don’t have to have an empire to indulge in that.
But if we take contempt as a form of bullying, then Ukraine is oppressing Donbass, Russia is oppressing Ukraine and USA is oppressing Russia.
In reality, underdogs are just as able to express contempt as overdogs are. It doesn’t require great resources.
One may for instance be contemptuous of imperialists.
I suspect that utu has no connection to the Ukraine. (which might explain his bellicosity?)
But does TL want to admit to a connection? (Need not be quantified, spelled out, or put into a timeline)
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-bennett-wants-ukraine-to-surrender-official-says-israel-s-mediation-useless-1.10668879
Bennet is not alone. German politicians and many Europeans politicians would like Ukraine to surrender as soon as possible so they could go back to the state from before the war (sorry this is not a war but humanitarian intervention and if you do not agree with it you may get 15 years in Putin's gulag) and conduct business with Russia as usual.
But there will be no return to the status quo ante bellum. Germany will have to return to Western alliance as its enthusiastic member and Russia will be turned into the pariah nation that will live on the kindness of strangers. Mostly China that will exploit her while feeling contempt for her.
It was the UK and the US 'deep state' that trained and armed Ukrainians in the preceding months while politicians were talking mostly nonsense often repeating Russian propaganda that Russia would never attack.
As far as Israel and Ukrainian refugees you shouldn't be too surprised. Israel is not a part of the world we live in or at least Israel does not play by the rules that most people in this world believe.Replies: @Dmitry, @LondonBob
One of the stories is drones.
Russian army paid Israel $1,7 billion for the license to manufacture a copy of this old drone from 1980s (IAI Searcher).
This is now being produced in the factory in Ekaterinburg. But Israel does not sell the drone to Russia with all of the Israeli electronics.
So, apparently, they cannot produce such electronics domestically and the drone is now filled with civilian off-shelf products.
Western journalists are trying to blame that Israel “key role in modernizing and boosting Russian forces”. But my question, is how did they pay $1,7 billion for the license to build a 1980s drone and not even receive the Israeli electronics, so they fill it with consumer electronics. Someone has become very wealthy from such a “bargain”.
It is also just idiotic and inflexible.
Although it is the most far right-wing politicians in their coalition which create this. There are also more moderate or left-wing politicians in their current coalition that criticize this policy and wanted to welcome the Ukrainian refugee ( https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-700494 )
A rational solution for Israel neutrality, it would be to not give weapons to Ukraine and to accept a lot of refugees from Ukraine.
But they continue to follow stubbornly formalism instead of allowing Ukrainian refugees. Their formalism for immigration both more liberal and not liberal than a normal country.
For example, I can go to live in Israel, more easily than in most Western countries, as I have a right for repatriation to Israel due to Jewish roots to the third generation.
This is formalism, as am not more Jewish than e.g. an average non-Jewish Ukrainian. It becomes almost too liberal to allow people like me during the peacetime. (Although I can happily become more so if I would immigrate there in the future).
At the same time, in the wartime they were requiring 10,000 NIS deposits from non-Jewish roots refugees from Ukraine. If you are even just married to someone with a Jewish great–grandmother, you can go there and receive $10,000 absorption funds. The distinction is more or less arbitrary.
I think calling antisemitism and anti-black racism both “racism” hides the fact that both have different roots and not much in common.
Antisemitism is in large parts a hate for intellectual and economic elites or maybe for the “economic middlemen”. Anti-black racism is quite the opposite: it is a hate for people who are seen as rather poor and economical useless.
For the rest of it though, think of it as Kulikovo in 1380 AD. Russia wants to recreate the Russian World and not be a slave to anybody's political economy. I have no idea if we will succeed, but it's a healthy inclination.
People think of Ukraine conflict as if it's about Ukraine, but it really isn't, in the grand scheme of things. Far bigger things are happening. Again, no guarantee Russia will succeed in those, but we do have a fighting chance, and that's something.Replies: @AP
Russia will also get defeated in Kiev. And nuking it is not an option for Russia – it is “the mother of Russian cities” and Russian Orthodoxy’s “Jerusalem.” You think Russia will incinerate all those ancient monasteries and churches in the city? A Georgian Bolshevik gangster might have done that, a guy acting like a Russian nationalist would not. Russia nuking Kiev would be like some Muslim faction nuking Mecca because a rival Muslim faction was in control of it. Russian delusion that Ukrainians and Russians are one people is a double edged sword – on the one hand it leads to stupid and bloody attempts at “reunification,” on the other hand it precludes actual mass extermination.
Russia will have a hard time in Kharkiv, Dnipro, etc. also.
Overall, things haven’t changed. Russia keeps losing men and equipment, Ukraine keeps losing land. The race is on, to see whether or not Russia runs out of men and equipment before Ukraine runs out of land – or how much of Ukraine Russia manages to take before it inevitably runs out of men and equipment.
Russia can turn Kiev into Aleppo, they will just become modern martyrs. Too bad i'm not a Russia "nationalist". I had my disagreements with Karlin, and I admitted I was wrong. I'm a Russian Cosmist, and I believe that Russian World has the right to exist in the future. This is not the game i would have played, but this is the game we all find ourselves in. No way out.
It is very unfortunate, that we find ourselves in this situation. I really wish there was another way. Ukraine is going to lose this race.. If it doesn't, then vastly heavier bombing will come in until it does. This is an existential issue and losing a few hundred thousand if necessary is OK. Ukraine is not Afghanistan, far more attention will be paid there.Replies: @German_reader, @AP
Refugee (if they are really from a warzone, not another economic immigrant) is a moral issue, not a demographic one. And the moral issues are the higher and more serious ones.
Of course, a country should have an opportunity to add strict timelimits, as refugees are not permanent condition. When the war ends, then the refugee has no right to stay in the country. Separating real refugees from economic immigrants, is also a serious problem. But while there is a war, then there is a moral duty to give shelter to a refugee, at least in the first safe border they are crossing.
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I still don’t understand how the UN hasn’t created a territory for refugees, which should have been developed after the Second World War. This would help to lower the confusion between real refugees and economic immigrants.
This should be an internationally funded territory, designed for solving the international refugee problem, for all the countries. It would not have to be like a real country. It just needs to be internationally funded land, with neutral administration, which has been designed for temporary housing for millions of refugees.
Probably it could be best somewhere in East Africa, and every country can fund it. Volunteers across the world would go to work there, so costs would not be high. A problem would be things like to move the ex-refugees to exit, when there is peacetime again in their country. Especially if it would become very luxurious in this refugee country, then many people would never want to exit. It would need to have very strict border security, in paradox, to prevent being flooded with economic immigration.
I agree with your quite sensible idea to have a center for refugees in Africa.
Realistically, a lot of people are motivated by economics to move, and perhaps, even something could be done with that. But the current idea that anyone should be able to move anywhere in the world will only result in terrible future conflicts, IMO.
Russia will have a hard time in Kharkiv, Dnipro, etc. also.
Overall, things haven't changed. Russia keeps losing men and equipment, Ukraine keeps losing land. The race is on, to see whether or not Russia runs out of men and equipment before Ukraine runs out of land - or how much of Ukraine Russia manages to take before it inevitably runs out of men and equipment.Replies: @mal
AP, I really like you and respect you (thank you for the Hapsburg Empire book recommendation, I bought it and read it), but you are far too old fashioned.
Russia can turn Kiev into Aleppo, they will just become modern martyrs.
Too bad i’m not a Russia “nationalist”. I had my disagreements with Karlin, and I admitted I was wrong. I’m a Russian Cosmist, and I believe that Russian World has the right to exist in the future. This is not the game i would have played, but this is the game we all find ourselves in. No way out.
It is very unfortunate, that we find ourselves in this situation. I really wish there was another way.
Ukraine is going to lose this race.. If it doesn’t, then vastly heavier bombing will come in until it does. This is an existential issue and losing a few hundred thousand if necessary is OK. Ukraine is not Afghanistan, far more attention will be paid there.
What is it with people who have chosen to leave Russia...but then go off on tangents about leveling entire cities for the sake of the "Russian world" (because nothing guarantees unity like "I'll kill you if you don't want to be my brother")?
Is this some way of coping with the psychological stress of exile?Replies: @Veteran of the Memic Wars
The prospects of the Russian World existing as an independent global pole has already declined as Russia has placed itself much more at China's mercy than had been the case earlier. Adding 25 million angry Ukrainians won't make a positive difference but will probably be a hindrance. Ask the Poles how forcing a few million angry Galicians into their country worked out last century. Thanks to Putin's killings, Kievans and Kharkovites now feel towards Russia what Galicians had felt toward Poland. If it weren't utterly tragic due to the death and misery, it would almost be dark comedy - Russia throwing so much of its treasure and so many of its soldiers down the toilet, in a desperate attempt to swallow a poison pill.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
Considering that Belarus troops have no any real combat experience and morale is rather low too for attack, most likely Lukashenko army will be used (if the pressure will be sucessful) for policing and controlling already captured land instead of attacking separately into Western Ukraine or attacking together with the spearhead RF force.
If such kind of Geneva violations would be the only ones which are happening in practice at military conflict zones, it could be the sign of world becoming pure heaven on earth 😉
What is not talked about is the battlefield intelligence which certainly Nato provides to Ukrainian forces in real time. Nato AWACS planes are flying along the Polish, Slovak, Hungarian and Romanian borders and in Baltic states all the time and then there are satellites that provide images precise enough to be used for targeting by artillery but most importantly are used for optimal allocation of Ukrainian forces in response to Russian movements.Replies: @Commentator Mike
LOL. Those AWACS and whatever else they have along those borders never noticed a fifty year old 6 tonne drone that flew across the Ukraine/NATO border and over the air space of several NATO countries before crashing into Zagreb. Now why don’t you try explaining that instead of making unsubstantiated claims about purportedly superior NATO technologies and methods.
The drone was taken out of action possibly with NATO superior electronic countermeasure technology. Then why should NATO be concerned with malfunctioning Russian drone that Russians no longer could control? Or will you claim that the drone was sent by Putin on a secret mission to Croatia?
Russia can turn Kiev into Aleppo, they will just become modern martyrs. Too bad i'm not a Russia "nationalist". I had my disagreements with Karlin, and I admitted I was wrong. I'm a Russian Cosmist, and I believe that Russian World has the right to exist in the future. This is not the game i would have played, but this is the game we all find ourselves in. No way out.
It is very unfortunate, that we find ourselves in this situation. I really wish there was another way. Ukraine is going to lose this race.. If it doesn't, then vastly heavier bombing will come in until it does. This is an existential issue and losing a few hundred thousand if necessary is OK. Ukraine is not Afghanistan, far more attention will be paid there.Replies: @German_reader, @AP
Aren’t you another Russian living in America (similar to Martyanov or former commenter AnonfromTN)?
What is it with people who have chosen to leave Russia…but then go off on tangents about leveling entire cities for the sake of the “Russian world” (because nothing guarantees unity like “I’ll kill you if you don’t want to be my brother”)?
Is this some way of coping with the psychological stress of exile?
https://youtu.be/0ol803uuerw
The questions are: Can the Russian military achieve that without leveling the cities? Will Putin prefer that option to being perceived as a loser? Will the West resist the mounting public pressure to intervene when the media reports an even worse carnage of civilians?
Another interesting and measured article by Richard Hanania arguing why Russia is most likely to win in the end:
https://www.metaculus.com/notebooks/10226/why-forecasting-war-is-hard/Replies: @sudden death
Strelkov expanded his opinions yesterday – RF military mobilization is needed, but Putin does not want to do that atm, cities should be taken no matter the losses and destruction, because no other way to win the war, optimistic timelines – one more month for Eastern Ukraine to be captured, 2 more months for remaining parts wests of Dnieper.
https://www.brighteon.com/f5cc3898-fc5f-4f2d-b04f-7856db0f366a
If such people as Kamala are considered to be black, then Armenians or Bulgarians are black too 🙂
It is once again matter of personal taste perhaps, but I’m not sensitive to such kind of “blackness”:
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2022/03/11/USAT/0ca68d70-ef88-46f5-8d26-47153fb9897d-VPC_HARRIS_LEAVES_POLAND.jpg?crop=1911,1075,x8,y0&width=1911&height=1075&format=pjpg&auto=webp
Shock and disbelief.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNmcxiWXoAs3W6E.jpg
Wow, de-bipartisanship of USA foreign policy is still going on quite strongly, at least in rhetorics:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-invasion-ukraine-crime-against-humanity-has-end-soon-trump
Shock and disbelief when Pizza Hut is no longer available in Russia.
Some competition, instead of the consolidation of power, where the ethnic antipathies are racial and built-into the system, and the most barbaric people, utterly incapable of civilization are being direct-flighted into even the most remote areas. I wasn't trying to imply I was, just that America has providential geography, and no scalar equivalent of being a former part of the Russian Empire next to Russia.
I never felt scared of being invaded, even when I was a little kid, and some of my peers were scared of Saddam. I've always understood that America has awe-inspiring power, and it would be foolish for anyone to mess with it. There are many petty Western European antipathies. (And some have been expressed here) Maybe, Western Europeans are more morally culpable for maintaining them. But it seems to be a much weaker dynamic, IMO. Probably, for many understandable reasons. For me, I see this as an issue with Bolshevism, not Russians. The majority of the communist party in the '30s wasn't even ethnically Russian. It was Jewish. And, of course, Stalin wasn't a Russian, though Khrushchev was. Russia has abandoned this ideology, in a pretty spectacular and even destructive way. And its ethnic composition has changed from that time, with Jews favored with special rules abroad to immigrate to places like America. I suppose those that remain are still quite powerful in Russia, though seemingly more powerful in Ukraine. Brutal, only compared to peace. In historical context, it's been a relatively (key word) gentle invasion. Russians have tried to open civilian corridors to cities. They haven't carpetbombed cities, or destroyed dams. Or practiced scorched earth. I can't see them systematically murdering thousands of Ukrainian officers when this is over, or deporting millions into Siberia, to toil in death mines. Putin's rhetoric is mixed with messages of brotherhood. It is obvious that he is concerned with optics, and trying to minimize both civilian and military casualties. And why wouldn't he? Why wouldn't it be in his interest for everyone to surrender?
My philosophy of morality is that moral maximization is a difficult business that involves many factors. We can't treat it like an emotional or reflex impulse. Our starting point in trying to avert future evils should be today, and not the past because the past is about vengeance, and we don't have a time machine.
I reject the idea that Putin needs to be fought in the Ukraine or he will roll over the West, as I do not see that as a realistic possibility, or one of his goals. So, what does that leave us with? What moral factors are we trying to maximize?
Sovereignty of Ukraine?
Well, this is a multiple factor analysis. We must ask again what are Putin's goals? If only Crimea and the two republics, then, IMO, it is very foolish for anyone to fight him. How would you make Russia give them up? And they are filled with Russians anyway, so what is the point? It's not a Wilsonian principal, certainly. Or does he want the Eastern part, that has many Russians in it? (sort of a muddled issue, by Wilsonian logic) Perhaps, the whole Black Sea Coast? Again, there is a lot of Russians there, so muddled.
It is my belief that he does not want to take Galicia, but leave that aside. What if he wants the whole?Sovereignty is largely an illusion. Realistically, it is not the people in power, but the elite, and it is doubtful they have the people's interests in heart. I don't see the Ukrainian elite as inherently better than the Russian. In fact, as far as future-orientation goes, I strongly think they would be better off in Russia's sphere than America's, and I say that, as an American, so I do understand at least that side of it. (But perhaps not the other?)
I don't want to be tedious by spelling out every moral consideration, that has entered my head, but a big one is possible famine. There are a lot of unresolved questions about the potentialities for 1.) wheat production to be cut off in the Ukraine. 2.) fertilizer exports to be cut off - as I understand it, you can't gear up immediately to mass produce fertilizer, it would take at least a year. 3.) food to be cut off from export from Russia.
Maybe, only #1 will happen? But that still has the potential to be very destabilizing. And I don't believe any of the Western pols who are warhawks are even thinking about it. Probably many are concerned with making money by trading Raytheon stocks.Replies: @LatW
Right, it’s a very attractive idea. There could have even been a new flavor of each ethnicity, maintaining both the original and new traits. Various European tribes could intermix and create new nationalities. Kind of similar how the American English changed so much from British English, so could different traits obtain new forms. Or maybe on the contrary — there could be isolated communities that maintained the old languages and customs. It would’ve been so amazing if, for instance, some ancient Prussians would’ve migrated to America and kept their language intact there. Similar like Wends in Texas. Then again, a united American nationality, as laid out by the Founding Fathers, is cool, too. No objection there either way.
Maybe not on an industrialized level, but there would have been competition. Large parts of America are uninhabited (and should stay so) but there are some parts that are more attractive than others. I mean, minus 40 degrees Celsius… come on. 🙂
Where do sentences like this come from? This is a purely subjective bias as I suspect you have zero experience with this beyond conspiracist sites or what not.
We’ve been over this so many times. Yes to the above, but also the fact is that the people that stormed the streets of Petrograd, as well as the sailors, were predominantly Slavic.
Historical context here is irrelevant, because our tolerance for violence is very low. In Eastern Europe, since the 1940s, we don’t expect such levels of violence. What happened in 2014 was already extraordinarily violent. To call this a “gentle invasion” is very unkind, if this happened in your town, would you call it a “gentle invasion”? Would your womenfolk call it that?
Not really. They wanted to open a corridor to Russia. That’s stealing people. And acting as if Russia has already occupied those territories and is entitled to those people, which it hasn’t and is not. People are dying of dehydration as we speak because of Russia’s actions, you are simply justifying it because of your political bias.
Oh, how very humane and merciful of them. Just listen to yourself. Let’s do to yours what has been done to them and be relieved, like you are.
Because the old vampire is no Stalin and he can’t do it. What you mention above was only possible because of an army of local traitors and enforcers. In the current situation, nobody in Russia’s neighborhood wants that system. If Putler had that power, with all the capable and enfranchised traitors, he would take all the liberties he could. If not Putin himself, then the likes of Patrushev or Kadyrov definitely. It’s just that they can’t.
Putin’s rhetoric is at this point entirely meaningless, he knew very well beforehand what he was going to do. He was talking about “brotherhood” while all the plans of occupation were already laid out.
I see how it must feel comfortable (or indifferent) to you doling out other peoples’ land. I truly wish that you and yours get to experience that yourself one day. You should be able to enjoy the full human experience.
Ivano Frankivsk was bombed yesterday. No, any kind of free Ukraine will be a thorn in his side.
Please talk that way about your own sovereignty, not that of others. Approach your statesmen and businessmen and let them know that their control over their resources is nothing but an illusion and it would be totally ok if some monster from overseas were to come and take it. After all, it’s just an illusion anyway. So who cares, right?
Irrelevant. One’s elite is one’s elite, it doesn’t matter which one is better or worse. Why don’t you have a foreign elite as your overlord? Don’t assume that everyone hates their elites the way you hate yours. There are plenty of patriots in the Ukrainian elite. Majority, in fact. Don’t project your subjective defeatist worldview on E.Europeans.
They should be in neither sphere, they have their own culture. Spheres of interest are an illusion these days, they are willful. Nobody can force us to speak Russian or English, we do it on our own volition. We are free to criticize or praise either government or any ideas. As to the worldview or culture to be absorbed, Ukrainian culture is strong and self-sufficient. Btw, Russian influence does not guarantee freedom from the woke. Hedonism has been prevalent in Russian since 1991. The current restrictions that are imposed on Russians will deny them freedom, but they will not control their hedonism. Divorces will still happen and TFRs will still be meagre.
Ukraine was putting out record levels of grain right before the invasion. The ports were busy. Then Russia came in and destroyed it.
Did you smoke some weed before you wrote your comment? 🙂 It certainly seems like it.
But communism required several operant conditions which no longer predominate, such as low literacy. Once a certain developmental threshold is reached, communism is no longer possible without an invading communist army. What are we defending? lines on a map? Or the right of the people living there, who have lived there for centuries? Or the allocation of extensive natural resources? Whatever it is, we should be honest about it. Some may want to fight for the resources. I don't wholly blame them, but, IMO, the best resource is young men, and, personally speaking, I would not trade them for gas. AK did an article on it. But there are more Jews in Ukraine, as a percentage of the population. It makes sense that they would attain more power, as that is what we see in other places. My local area is one of the top areas in America, and there are bridges names after them - bridges that were supposed to be named after Revolutionary battles. I don't see how, unless they are kept there forcefully. But, more to the point, one cannot guarantee safety, unless it is through one's own lines. US bombed China during Korean War, for reasons of logistics, but they were never realistically going to occupy it. Anyway, it could be a bargaining chip. Don't I? I thought I did (and I am not referring to WASPs.) Follow the money. Follow who you can't criticize. The sovereign decides the exception. It is not the same elite of my grandfather's time. Seems rather naive of you, IMO. The majority of oligarchs got on planes ahead of time - they didn't even wait for it to begin. Why risk their necks, unnecessarily?
But if any have expressed patriotic feelings, it is not surprising as their wealth is tied to the corruption that is the exiting regime. It is not surprising that Zelenksy wants to stay in power. Are you seriously trying to tell me that a system that chose a guy who played a piano with his dick and dressed in S&M gear on television is full of nationalists? The oligarchs selected Zelenksy and promoted him. That's in the past. If you have a time machine, maybe, you can go back and convince Merkel to immediately object to the prospect of Ukrainian membership in NATO, and resolve this conflict peacefully without anyone dying. That's not the point, at all. I am not trying to exculpate Putin, or dismiss Ukrainians.
Actually, what I'm trying to come up with a baseline of violence, on which to judge some of the moral potentialities of some of foreign policies that have been floated.
Should we establish a no fly zone in a contest between nuclear powers, to stop a conflict that isn't some flat out genocide, with mass civilian killings? Risk a nuclear holocaust, where hundreds of millions, or potentially even billions could die, as supply lines breakdown, because there were a couple of stray shells? No that would be exceedingly unethical.
But if you are averse to violence, then why do you want Ukrainians to be supplied with more weapons? That will just lead to more death and more stray bullets. Russian conscripts will be killed, and they will want to defend themselves, so they will be quick on the trigger. The conflict will be drawn out. Putin will try to move up his timeline, in order to get ahead of greater support by the West. This will result in more deaths, when at first, he was prepared to go relatively slow.Replies: @German_reader, @Dmitry, @LatW
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-bennett-wants-ukraine-to-surrender-official-says-israel-s-mediation-useless-1.10668879
Bennet is not alone. German politicians and many Europeans politicians would like Ukraine to surrender as soon as possible so they could go back to the state from before the war (sorry this is not a war but humanitarian intervention and if you do not agree with it you may get 15 years in Putin's gulag) and conduct business with Russia as usual.
But there will be no return to the status quo ante bellum. Germany will have to return to Western alliance as its enthusiastic member and Russia will be turned into the pariah nation that will live on the kindness of strangers. Mostly China that will exploit her while feeling contempt for her.
It was the UK and the US 'deep state' that trained and armed Ukrainians in the preceding months while politicians were talking mostly nonsense often repeating Russian propaganda that Russia would never attack.
As far as Israel and Ukrainian refugees you shouldn't be too surprised. Israel is not a part of the world we live in or at least Israel does not play by the rules that most people in this world believe.Replies: @Dmitry, @LondonBob
The only solution is for Zelensky to surrender. My concern is that he is so owned by the likes of Kolomoisky, CIA, MI6 that he will go along with prolonging the war despite the interests of the Ukrainian people and the world in general. Not sure the rest of the world can impose such a solution on him, so regime change is likely necessary, if this involves ridding the Ukraine of its Jewish oligarchs, CIA collaborators and Nazis then it will be good for them.
Whoever wants to boycott woke virtue signaling businesses, also wants to boycott the businesses virtue signaling over Ukraine by quitting the Russian market. They tend to overlap, and this is your best way to help the Russians. Make it as divisive as the Israeli-Arab mutual boycotts.
Not gonna happen. Look at Germany today. Is it confined to the “rubbish bin of history”? I don’t think so. Is it “dirt poor”? Quite the contrary. As for bitterness, resentment and self-hate, well, in the general population this kind of disposition is wholly absent.
So, except for some harsh few years, there is nothing but a bright future ahead for Russia, regardless of whether it wins or loses.
Remember, the U.S. is the great Father of us all. If Russia loses, it will be the prodigal son of the parable, just like Germany once was.
I think Russia's current project in Ukraine is grotesquely misguided in its brutal means and its belief that you can just solve national identity issues with force, but Germany's fate is indeed a cautionary tale.
Antisemitism is in large parts a hate for intellectual and economic elites or maybe for the "economic middlemen". Anti-black racism is quite the opposite: it is a hate for people who are seen as rather poor and economical useless.Replies: @LondonBob
Germans Jews were well assimilated in the South, they were economic middlemen but there was little hostility. They served fully in the Confederacy. The South only became hostile to Jews when Eastern European Jews showed up and started undermining society in the late nineteenth century.
I’ve come to the conclusion that Putin would have invaded in 2018 if Hillary has been president in 2016, and Ukraine would have fallen sooner.
Why 2022?
So, except for some harsh few years, there is nothing but a bright future ahead for Russia, regardless of whether it wins or loses.
Remember, the U.S. is the great Father of us all. If Russia loses, it will be the prodigal son of the parable, just like Germany once was.Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Triteleia Laxa, @German_reader
Except Russia and Putin/Zhirinovsky/Dugin in particular want the US gone.
(1) if Russia wins (both the military and the economic wars), it will be all right. That is the trivial scenario.
(2) if Russia loses, it will be all right, eventually. Just like Germany was, after World War II, eventually.Replies: @Commentator Mike, @Yellowface Anon
You really think Euromed villagers were sitting around saying, "Ah, those Muslim raiding parties are demons, but my word they are worthy foes. They fairly won those slaves they took. May God grant that we some day earn equal admiration in their eyes"?Replies: @AaronB
You’re such an incorrigible anti-Romantic 🙂
I was a bit drunk last night, it was a Friday.
Now Silvio, go do something fine, wonderful, romantic, and irrational – it will do your soul good, trust me.
You are of course correct and that is worth remembering – pre-modern times could be horrifically violent to the point of exterminating those who merely “disagreed” with you on points of religion.
That being said, one hardly regarded death as so terrible back then, certainly with nothing like the horror and fear we soft and materialistic moderns with no values do – so there’s that.
But yes, pre-modern times were not all peaches and roses.
My comment was kind of terse, but I did imply your scenario as one of the possibilities. Basically what I said is:
(1) if Russia wins (both the military and the economic wars), it will be all right. That is the trivial scenario.
(2) if Russia loses, it will be all right, eventually. Just like Germany was, after World War II, eventually.
(1) if Russia wins (both the military and the economic wars), it will be all right. That is the trivial scenario.
(2) if Russia loses, it will be all right, eventually. Just like Germany was, after World War II, eventually.Replies: @Commentator Mike, @Yellowface Anon
Russia will win, it’s just a matter of how much it will win. This will not be over with Ukraine. The present US government is proving to be far worse than the communist Soviets as Khruschev did negotiate and did move the rocket bases out of Cuba while the US is unwilling to negotiate moving NATO bases out of Eastern Europe, So those NATO bases will be moved out by any available means, even by force if necessary, even at the cost of a world or nuclear war … because of the US. That was all in the Russian ultimatum to the US and NATO and they still have the option to negotiate and comply. If they refuse, well other countries will be next.
You’re speculating there as you have no evidence that it was so. Or perhaps the superior Russian electronic warfare blinded the NATO radars, AWACS and other surveillance so that the drone could get through. Of course I don’t have evidence for this either. So I suspect that the NATO anti-aircraft defences were either negligent or useless. I don’t think that such Russian defences are infallible, and obviously some aircraft and missiles could get through, but on the balance of recent experience I’d say they are superior to NATO’s. Anyway there is no evidence that this drone was released or controlled by Russians.
Wouldn’t not invading this making the Americans look like buffoons have achieved more with less death and destruction?
(1) if Russia wins (both the military and the economic wars), it will be all right. That is the trivial scenario.
(2) if Russia loses, it will be all right, eventually. Just like Germany was, after World War II, eventually.Replies: @Commentator Mike, @Yellowface Anon
Russia will either be 1) Iranized thoroly, which fit some people’s definition of “all right”, but not the Western socio-economic definition; or 2) back to the Yeltsin era, with the attendant failures.
(2) I think a little optimism is warranted here. Yeltsin era was to the present-day crisis what the Versailles treaty was to World War II. History does not repeat itself. People learn from their mistakes.
And of course, Russia invading Ukraine and the coming war in former Warsaw Bloc countries will be used to justify NATO’s continued existence and high military expenditure in the EU. We’re going to repeat WWI & WWII, combined.
(1) Iran is all right all right. Not that I am as sure as you are about this outcome.
(2) I think a little optimism is warranted here. Yeltsin era was to the present-day crisis what the Versailles treaty was to World War II. History does not repeat itself. People learn from their mistakes.
Although the Soviets did not have missiles in Cuba they did maintain a base with about 2,000 personnel and sophisticated radar equipment throughout the Cold War. This is much more than what Putin says he would tolerate in Ukraine.
So, except for some harsh few years, there is nothing but a bright future ahead for Russia, regardless of whether it wins or loses.
Remember, the U.S. is the great Father of us all. If Russia loses, it will be the prodigal son of the parable, just like Germany once was.Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Triteleia Laxa, @German_reader
You’re probably right, and anyway, the supposed pro-Russians here are lost within psychological realms which they cannot understand. This is why their attempts at being rational are now incoherent and twisted, even from comment to comment. There’s little point in engaging with their delusions, so instead I’ll have some fun and see the transcendence in this tragedy:
The end result of Cold War 1 mirrored WW1, so shall the coming culmination of Cold War 2 mirror WW2.
First there is a closing, and then second, a completion and confirmation.
Despite their outward protestations, this is exactly what the Russian partisans on this site want. They just don’t know it yet.
They’ve moved from easy “48 hour victory” to deathwishing themselves into nuclear conflagration. Their individual unconsciouses call out to the collective unconscious for rescue, while their egos rationalise themselves as in control, even as they spin into ever more contorted and brittle arguments and rage.
Soon it will be depression, and then, finally, acceptance of what they always wanted, which is, exactly as you say, to be the prodigal son returned.
The currents of history continue and Putin, an obvious agent of chaos, is, like all of his type, securing the good for us all through overeach and failure.
Russia will reborn, like Germany after WW2. A serious, peaceful European nation state, engaged in freeing its citizens to their own development.
This will also provide balance to Europe, and the West. It will be re-welcoming of the bathwater of the caricature of tradition, and just as the bathwater returns so will the baby of true tradition. the missing element.
It sits there now, in the hearts and minds of the various Slavs, reading and waiting merely to be reborn into the technological and liberal age. I look forward to seeing their contribution.
Oh, and what will Ukraine specifically get for their courage? The largesse of the developed world with which to rebuild themselves, a true national ethos that will greatly suppress corruption and a catapulting to the world stage as a developed, confident country of international heroes.
Yes, Putin said he wouldn’t tolerate any NATO in Ukraine. But I’m not sure how much of NATO he will tolerate in other East European countries which joined since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the dismantling of the Warsaw Pact. We’ll see.
It seems to me that you and silviosilver have an extremely stunted idea of what honor really is. That is hardly surprising, since as I mentioned earlier, we live in a society in which honor is not only a foreign concept but a laughable one.
What you seem to understand as honor is more like simple machismo or braggadocio.
Honor is a concept that extends far beyond anything martial and indeed will often prevent conflict, instead of amplifying it.
Fundamentally, in the modern world we have a rights based conception of the person, in the past it revolved much more around responsibilities, not rights. Unless you make this mental shift, honor will make little sense.
The modern world makes much of “niceness” or simple agreeableness and a morality based around the dictates of the State. People will often slyly state that they didn’t do anything illegal, after all. Honor is internal, much more like the formation of conscience than law.
Honor extends into all aspects of life to such things as hospitality, honesty, and service to others. It is essentially my responsibility to uphold my obligations to the web of those around me. This includes the obligation to maintain the good things that past generations have passed to me, improve upon them as I may, and ready them for use by the next generation.
If any of you came to my house I would feel dishonored and embarrassed if I didn’t offer proper hospitality; a pot of tea and a meal or a shared drink.
If I fail to help someone vulnerable and in need, it is a stain on my honor.
If anyone came to threaten or mistreat my family or friends I would be dishonored to let it pass unchallenged. Honor may occasionally call for physical violence, but a code of honorable behavior acts as a moderating influence, eliminating misunderstandings of behavior if followed. It is better to punish bad behavior than to let it stand unchallenged. To let it stand is allow a tear in the very fabric of society.
Our modern focus on “niceness” allows these tears to remain and grow wider, because it might be mean to call them out and hold people to account.
As a business man I have taken substantial financial losses to maintain my personal sense of honor and obligation; not just to the customer, but to myself. I’ve been told by others that it’s irrational, that I should just walk away, that I have no legal obligation etc. Many times the customer hardly even shows appreciation for it. They may even think I’m foolish and by the standards of the modern world they are probably correct. However, at the end of the day, I have to live with myself regardless of what the rest of the world thinks. I’ve never regretted any of those decisions.
What is the spiritual life but the attempt to uphold the honor of God by us here on Earth? When one really considers the implications of that statement it gives a new perspective on both the responsibility and great privilege contained therein.
One would be willing to die to maintain honor because of the realization that this web of mutual responsibility is bigger and more important than any individual, and a life which has failed to uphold that, is fundamentally debased. This of course has to be tempered by a measure of forgiveness and mercy. Any concept can become overly rigid and extreme, including honor.
Perhaps one will think that honor is just touchy guys with swords getting pissed and that the world is better off without it. However, the honor-free world of the 20th century was unsurpassed in it’s bloodshed and horror. I’d be inclined to say that we need more honor, not less.
I address much of this in my reply to Triteleia Laxa.
Fundamentally, you are confusing honor and machismo.
I would consider the World Wars to have very little to do with honor. There can instances of personal honor within them certainly.
I have no interest in fighting or dying to maintain a political order or government. I would gladly do so to protect my family and friends. A sense of honor can certainly be taken advantage of by those who want to twist it to their own ends.
Fundamentally, you are confusing honor and machismo.
I would consider the World Wars to have very little to do with honor. There can instances of personal honor within them certainly.
I have no interest in fighting or dying to maintain a political order or government. I would gladly do so to protect my family and friends. A sense of honor can certainly be taken advantage of by those who want to twist it to their own ends.Replies: @AP
Poland was motivated by honor during World War II.
So, except for some harsh few years, there is nothing but a bright future ahead for Russia, regardless of whether it wins or loses.
Remember, the U.S. is the great Father of us all. If Russia loses, it will be the prodigal son of the parable, just like Germany once was.Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Triteleia Laxa, @German_reader
It’s well advanced on its way to being so (along with some of the “victors” of WW2 like Britain and France). The federal republic today is basically an anti-German regime where any conception of Germans as an ethno-cultural group that should stay a majority in its homeland makes you an enemy of the constitution and a target for repression by the state. By the end of this century there won’t be much left of Germany in any traditional form.
I think Russia’s current project in Ukraine is grotesquely misguided in its brutal means and its belief that you can just solve national identity issues with force, but Germany’s fate is indeed a cautionary tale.
If Maga is truly aligned with the Truth, then the obvious joy of following it will spontaneously attract adherents.
By their fruits ye shall judge them...
So if that's what you think, my friend, go live by it....see if it leads to deep joy and flourishing. If yes, yes. If no, no.
We shall all join you if yes :)
I am not opposed to all aspects of Maga, but I am not sure that it best represents the Way, myself...Replies: @A123
MAGA does not stand by itself. It ties to Judeo-Christians values. I tend to think of it as a community, not a philosophy/religion.
It gives hope that we can return to traditional values in our places of worship, society, and government. Citizens want to be proud of their country, and deserve a country that respects & supports them.
PEACE 😇
Maybe not on an industrialized level, but there would have been competition. Large parts of America are uninhabited (and should stay so) but there are some parts that are more attractive than others. I mean, minus 40 degrees Celsius... come on. :) Where do sentences like this come from? This is a purely subjective bias as I suspect you have zero experience with this beyond conspiracist sites or what not. We've been over this so many times. Yes to the above, but also the fact is that the people that stormed the streets of Petrograd, as well as the sailors, were predominantly Slavic. Historical context here is irrelevant, because our tolerance for violence is very low. In Eastern Europe, since the 1940s, we don't expect such levels of violence. What happened in 2014 was already extraordinarily violent. To call this a "gentle invasion" is very unkind, if this happened in your town, would you call it a "gentle invasion"? Would your womenfolk call it that? Not really. They wanted to open a corridor to Russia. That's stealing people. And acting as if Russia has already occupied those territories and is entitled to those people, which it hasn't and is not. People are dying of dehydration as we speak because of Russia's actions, you are simply justifying it because of your political bias. Oh, how very humane and merciful of them. Just listen to yourself. Let's do to yours what has been done to them and be relieved, like you are. Because the old vampire is no Stalin and he can't do it. What you mention above was only possible because of an army of local traitors and enforcers. In the current situation, nobody in Russia's neighborhood wants that system. If Putler had that power, with all the capable and enfranchised traitors, he would take all the liberties he could. If not Putin himself, then the likes of Patrushev or Kadyrov definitely. It's just that they can't. Putin's rhetoric is at this point entirely meaningless, he knew very well beforehand what he was going to do. He was talking about "brotherhood" while all the plans of occupation were already laid out. I see how it must feel comfortable (or indifferent) to you doling out other peoples' land. I truly wish that you and yours get to experience that yourself one day. You should be able to enjoy the full human experience. Ivano Frankivsk was bombed yesterday. No, any kind of free Ukraine will be a thorn in his side. Please talk that way about your own sovereignty, not that of others. Approach your statesmen and businessmen and let them know that their control over their resources is nothing but an illusion and it would be totally ok if some monster from overseas were to come and take it. After all, it's just an illusion anyway. So who cares, right? Irrelevant. One's elite is one's elite, it doesn't matter which one is better or worse. Why don't you have a foreign elite as your overlord? Don't assume that everyone hates their elites the way you hate yours. There are plenty of patriots in the Ukrainian elite. Majority, in fact. Don't project your subjective defeatist worldview on E.Europeans. They should be in neither sphere, they have their own culture. Spheres of interest are an illusion these days, they are willful. Nobody can force us to speak Russian or English, we do it on our own volition. We are free to criticize or praise either government or any ideas. As to the worldview or culture to be absorbed, Ukrainian culture is strong and self-sufficient. Btw, Russian influence does not guarantee freedom from the woke. Hedonism has been prevalent in Russian since 1991. The current restrictions that are imposed on Russians will deny them freedom, but they will not control their hedonism. Divorces will still happen and TFRs will still be meagre. Ukraine was putting out record levels of grain right before the invasion. The ports were busy. Then Russia came in and destroyed it.
Did you smoke some weed before you wrote your comment? :) It certainly seems like it.Replies: @songbird
Yes, Putin is not a communist and cannot rely on local communist parties (which I believe are weak now anyway), so it does not make sense for Poles, Romanians or Czechs to be afraid of him occupying their countries. Of course, there are other reasons too, which I have already outlined.
Well, there are a lot of Russians, and it seems to me that navies, have always been more susceptible to revolutions. The same thing probably would have happened in other countries (it almost happened in Germany and in Spain, did it not?), if the same requirements were met. Nothing about it makes me suspect that Russians are particularly susceptible to revolutionary feelings.
But communism required several operant conditions which no longer predominate, such as low literacy. Once a certain developmental threshold is reached, communism is no longer possible without an invading communist army.
What are we defending? lines on a map? Or the right of the people living there, who have lived there for centuries? Or the allocation of extensive natural resources? Whatever it is, we should be honest about it. Some may want to fight for the resources. I don’t wholly blame them, but, IMO, the best resource is young men, and, personally speaking, I would not trade them for gas.
AK did an article on it. But there are more Jews in Ukraine, as a percentage of the population. It makes sense that they would attain more power, as that is what we see in other places. My local area is one of the top areas in America, and there are bridges names after them – bridges that were supposed to be named after Revolutionary battles.
I don’t see how, unless they are kept there forcefully. But, more to the point, one cannot guarantee safety, unless it is through one’s own lines.
US bombed China during Korean War, for reasons of logistics, but they were never realistically going to occupy it. Anyway, it could be a bargaining chip.
Don’t I? I thought I did (and I am not referring to WASPs.) Follow the money. Follow who you can’t criticize. The sovereign decides the exception. It is not the same elite of my grandfather’s time.
Seems rather naive of you, IMO.
The majority of oligarchs got on planes ahead of time – they didn’t even wait for it to begin. Why risk their necks, unnecessarily?
But if any have expressed patriotic feelings, it is not surprising as their wealth is tied to the corruption that is the exiting regime. It is not surprising that Zelenksy wants to stay in power. Are you seriously trying to tell me that a system that chose a guy who played a piano with his dick and dressed in S&M gear on television is full of nationalists? The oligarchs selected Zelenksy and promoted him.
That’s in the past. If you have a time machine, maybe, you can go back and convince Merkel to immediately object to the prospect of Ukrainian membership in NATO, and resolve this conflict peacefully without anyone dying.
That’s not the point, at all. I am not trying to exculpate Putin, or dismiss Ukrainians.
Actually, what I’m trying to come up with a baseline of violence, on which to judge some of the moral potentialities of some of foreign policies that have been floated.
Should we establish a no fly zone in a contest between nuclear powers, to stop a conflict that isn’t some flat out genocide, with mass civilian killings? Risk a nuclear holocaust, where hundreds of millions, or potentially even billions could die, as supply lines breakdown, because there were a couple of stray shells? No that would be exceedingly unethical.
But if you are averse to violence, then why do you want Ukrainians to be supplied with more weapons? That will just lead to more death and more stray bullets. Russian conscripts will be killed, and they will want to defend themselves, so they will be quick on the trigger. The conflict will be drawn out. Putin will try to move up his timeline, in order to get ahead of greater support by the West. This will result in more deaths, when at first, he was prepared to go relatively slow.
In context of some of these people, even I (as a liberal) begin to develop a socialist attitude. And personally, I would even like to go to Jewish film festivals and watch some Israeli cinema there.Replies: @Mr. Hack
No, but large masses of them did participate in the revolution. Btw, there have been a couple of interesting documentaries in recent years on Russian TV about the Civil war and the revolution, and the leading narrative is that the blame for the negative outcomes lays with the Russian bourgeoisie and the liberal class that had connections with the West. It almost resonates a little with the disdain for the liberal Yeltsin years.
Anyway, my point regarding your comment about Putin was he doesn't need to be a Stalin for his actions to be unacceptable. The reason he is not more harsh is because he doesn't have support on the ground in Ukraine. I wasn't even talking about Romania or Poland. And btw it's starting to look like the actions of the Russian troops in the occupied parts are quite harsh -- there are reports of rape, marauding, murder. You said you cared about famine. Near Melitopol, there was a chicken farm where a million chickens died. Not only is this sad for the poor chickens, but this ecological calamity can even be used to "prove there are biolabs in Ukraine run by Pentagon" or what not. Both, my point was that it's easy to talk about how others should give up their land, if we were talking about yours it'd be very different. Americans would freak the hell out if they had to give up territory. Russia, too, look how dedicated Russia is to every little piece of their land, even the tiny Kurils. This is how it should be because if you give up land you invite more land to be taken from you. I thought these were basic laws of Nature that are obvious to everyone, it's baffling that some don't see why the Ukrainians wouldn't want to give up theirs. It's their ancestral homeland which they love. Statehood, sovereignty is what protects the individual. Without it a person is very vulnerable. A big part of this attack is purely about plunder. It looks like Russians are trying to steal the nuclear plant, factories, ports. Of course, not! This one I absolutely agree with. Both land AND young men are the best resource. Young men's energy is absolutely vital to this world (and even to some extent their innocent and open hearts and minds). Indeed, young men standing in defense of their ancestral land, as the young men of Ukraine are doing today, is a beautiful sight to behold. I wish, however, that they hadn't been dealt such a heavy burden.
And, yes, this is another resource Russia is trying to steal. Peeps. Toly openly admitted it.
It's just that Russia is not entitled to these men, they were created and grown by Ukraine. I don't even know anymore how to define a sphere of influence. The world is more free and open today, and more wealthy. You can't force people as easily. I mean, do you feel that you are under some sphere of influence? Because you can't criticize the woke everywhere you go? I wasn't talking about the oligarchs but the political and media elite. They are all still there, fighting, losing sleep. Even their athletes. It's uncanny and painful to watch. The Ukrainian politicians are important assets and they probably shouldn't stay there until their deaths. Although it is heroic and they are on their own land.
Btw, Poroshenko can sort of be considered an "oligarch". And he is still there, he has assembled the national guard around him, almost build his own little unit. It's really awesome, when he gives interviews, his men stand around him in a circle and look outwards. They look so bad ass. It's a myth that Zelensky is a "clown". He's a business man, a manager. He built his own studio. As to the skits he used to perform earlier... you may not know this, but there is a whole phenomenon of Russophone entertainment that is a little bit tacky. :) They do cross dressing and all sorts of goofy stuff, it's a culture called KVN (the so called "Club of the Hilarious & Witty ones"). It's stand up humor which is very popular and makes good money because it's a huge market. He was already affluent.
But to answer your question re: nationalists, no, the system is full of patriots, not nationalists. Nationalists are a smaller strata and they are also intermingled there. Avakov, for instance, can be considered a Russophone Ukrainian nationalist (a very strong man who should be president). And he's very much there. Ukraine is all he has. They are all there, and the two leading parties are no longer bickering, of course. There are literally MPs that are at war right now. It's heartbreaking. Of course, this is valid. Well, there is a lot of theory out there about trying to figure out this "baseline of violence" and when intervention can be considered. But in this case the West has to brainstorm about what to do and this may not be so much about the morality, but the contingencies on the ground, security considerations. I don't know how to calculate these risks, utu proposed something, I think he may be some kind of a quant and maybe tried to figure out the risks. The West must be pro-active, but also prudent, extremely careful. I would still not call this a "gentle invasion". If there is such a thing at all. I'm not averse to violence on principle. Especially if there is a jus ad bellum. I meant our tolerance for violence should be low to protect people, but, if needed, violence needs to be well prepared, swift and crushing to show the enemy he'll be punished if he proceeds. Ukrainians are on their ancestral land. Defending themselves. Violence is very necessary here. The weapons need to be supplied so that the Russian advance can be significantly slowed down and so that Ukraine can potentially prepare for a counter attack, if possible. Russian combatants are on the Ukrainian soil illegally as invaders and murderers. Russian soldiers signed all the papers and they had agency, if they were lied about the purpose of this mission that is something they need to figure out on their end, it's not the Ukrainians' problem. Once they're on Ukrainian soil, they are invaders and must be subjected to immediate destruction to protect the local population. This would be carried out in any state, including the US.
If you care about Russian soldiers, then you might want to know about Kadyrov's gangs of enforcers who are now apparently following Russian groups and shooting any deserters. This is confirming the worst stereotypes about the Russian military. It's actually quite shocking, I had a different impression about their recent development from browsing YouTube (I guess those must've been just ads). Many of them are surrendering. Replies: @songbird
In the current conflict, I think Israel could realistically say that they are not a neighbor, so I don’t feel that hypocrisy is on display, as it was, IMO, with Syria. Not that there isn’t a certain pragmatism in not letting in Syrian refugees, but there has certainly been a lot of Israeli sentiment to send them to the West, which does not neighbor Syria.
I agree with your quite sensible idea to have a center for refugees in Africa.
Realistically, a lot of people are motivated by economics to move, and perhaps, even something could be done with that. But the current idea that anyone should be able to move anywhere in the world will only result in terrible future conflicts, IMO.
But communism required several operant conditions which no longer predominate, such as low literacy. Once a certain developmental threshold is reached, communism is no longer possible without an invading communist army. What are we defending? lines on a map? Or the right of the people living there, who have lived there for centuries? Or the allocation of extensive natural resources? Whatever it is, we should be honest about it. Some may want to fight for the resources. I don't wholly blame them, but, IMO, the best resource is young men, and, personally speaking, I would not trade them for gas. AK did an article on it. But there are more Jews in Ukraine, as a percentage of the population. It makes sense that they would attain more power, as that is what we see in other places. My local area is one of the top areas in America, and there are bridges names after them - bridges that were supposed to be named after Revolutionary battles. I don't see how, unless they are kept there forcefully. But, more to the point, one cannot guarantee safety, unless it is through one's own lines. US bombed China during Korean War, for reasons of logistics, but they were never realistically going to occupy it. Anyway, it could be a bargaining chip. Don't I? I thought I did (and I am not referring to WASPs.) Follow the money. Follow who you can't criticize. The sovereign decides the exception. It is not the same elite of my grandfather's time. Seems rather naive of you, IMO. The majority of oligarchs got on planes ahead of time - they didn't even wait for it to begin. Why risk their necks, unnecessarily?
But if any have expressed patriotic feelings, it is not surprising as their wealth is tied to the corruption that is the exiting regime. It is not surprising that Zelenksy wants to stay in power. Are you seriously trying to tell me that a system that chose a guy who played a piano with his dick and dressed in S&M gear on television is full of nationalists? The oligarchs selected Zelenksy and promoted him. That's in the past. If you have a time machine, maybe, you can go back and convince Merkel to immediately object to the prospect of Ukrainian membership in NATO, and resolve this conflict peacefully without anyone dying. That's not the point, at all. I am not trying to exculpate Putin, or dismiss Ukrainians.
Actually, what I'm trying to come up with a baseline of violence, on which to judge some of the moral potentialities of some of foreign policies that have been floated.
Should we establish a no fly zone in a contest between nuclear powers, to stop a conflict that isn't some flat out genocide, with mass civilian killings? Risk a nuclear holocaust, where hundreds of millions, or potentially even billions could die, as supply lines breakdown, because there were a couple of stray shells? No that would be exceedingly unethical.
But if you are averse to violence, then why do you want Ukrainians to be supplied with more weapons? That will just lead to more death and more stray bullets. Russian conscripts will be killed, and they will want to defend themselves, so they will be quick on the trigger. The conflict will be drawn out. Putin will try to move up his timeline, in order to get ahead of greater support by the West. This will result in more deaths, when at first, he was prepared to go relatively slow.Replies: @German_reader, @Dmitry, @LatW
That’s a good argument, but on the other hand supplying weapons to Ukraine might enable the Ukrainians to inflict enough damage on Russia’s armed forces to force some sort of negotiated outcome, which could lead to genuine neutrality for Ukraine (instead of becoming a pliant, demilitarized satellite state totally at Russia’s mercy…I think it’s understandable that many Ukrainians would find such an outcome unacceptable). And tbh, I don’t think Russia should get an easy victory in Ukraine, it might lead to stupid ideas in some Russian imperialists.
Have to say I find it irritating that LatW chides you for “indifference” and wishes that you experience your land being doled out by others (yeah, because that never happened to any Irish in history before…). imo that’s the attitude typical of all too many Eastern Europeans, everything always comes down to their historical trauma, their experience of being mere playthings for their powerful German and Russian neighbours, and alleged betrayals by Western powers, and they see everything, always, through that lens. Gets old at some point. Also, while the current war is terrible, I don’t think the loss of Crimea and Donbass (at least the parts occupied since 2014) by itself would be that much of an injustice to Ukraine, since most of the people there are probably fine with being part of Russia. tbh I think what is being done to white Americans and Western Europeans (being reduced to minorities through mass immigration, with opposition being criminalized) is worse in the long run than territorial losses of regions where most of the population isn’t really Ukrainian in sentiment anyway. But that’s something Eastern Europeans simply don’t seem to get. They live in a 20th century mental world and don’t understand the realities of today’s West.
In a more better world this could be arranged like Mexico/USA situation after 19th century conflicts, when the stronger side just stopped somewhat voluntarily after getting territorial conquests, but it is clear that RF is absolutely incapable to behave that way.
Russia can turn Kiev into Aleppo, they will just become modern martyrs. Too bad i'm not a Russia "nationalist". I had my disagreements with Karlin, and I admitted I was wrong. I'm a Russian Cosmist, and I believe that Russian World has the right to exist in the future. This is not the game i would have played, but this is the game we all find ourselves in. No way out.
It is very unfortunate, that we find ourselves in this situation. I really wish there was another way. Ukraine is going to lose this race.. If it doesn't, then vastly heavier bombing will come in until it does. This is an existential issue and losing a few hundred thousand if necessary is OK. Ukraine is not Afghanistan, far more attention will be paid there.Replies: @German_reader, @AP
Russia wouldn’t nuke Kiev and destroy some of the holiest places in Orthodoxy though. It would unfortunately reduce much of the city to Aleppo though if it could. Could it though? That would result in thousands if not over 10,000 Russian casualties.
Fortunately Russia is not in the hands of people with a psychopathic, degenerative ideology willing to kill millions but is in the hands of a more garden variety war criminal and old fashioned imperialist.
The prospects of the Russian World existing as an independent global pole has already declined as Russia has placed itself much more at China’s mercy than had been the case earlier. Adding 25 million angry Ukrainians won’t make a positive difference but will probably be a hindrance. Ask the Poles how forcing a few million angry Galicians into their country worked out last century. Thanks to Putin’s killings, Kievans and Kharkovites now feel towards Russia what Galicians had felt toward Poland. If it weren’t utterly tragic due to the death and misery, it would almost be dark comedy – Russia throwing so much of its treasure and so many of its soldiers down the toilet, in a desperate attempt to swallow a poison pill.
Russia is obviously far too big and self-contained to ever become a Chinese dependency.
However, even on the freak chance you are correct, a Russia that does fit that description will massively augment Chinese power, tipping the scales in its struggle with the US and its colonies for world dominance this century. A world in which Russians are relatively privileged satraps of China (having pledged fealty to it first) is better for Russians than one in which they are at best third-class citizens within the West which is clearly the fate that Western Supremacists have marked out for the Eastern Slavs.Replies: @AP, @A123
The prospects of the Russian World existing as an independent global pole has already declined as Russia has placed itself much more at China's mercy than had been the case earlier. Adding 25 million angry Ukrainians won't make a positive difference but will probably be a hindrance. Ask the Poles how forcing a few million angry Galicians into their country worked out last century. Thanks to Putin's killings, Kievans and Kharkovites now feel towards Russia what Galicians had felt toward Poland. If it weren't utterly tragic due to the death and misery, it would almost be dark comedy - Russia throwing so much of its treasure and so many of its soldiers down the toilet, in a desperate attempt to swallow a poison pill.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
This is highly unlikely. Is Australia, much more dependent on Chinese trade, at “China’s mercy”? Is even North Korea? KJU’s uncle found the answer to that question the hard way.
Russia is obviously far too big and self-contained to ever become a Chinese dependency.
However, even on the freak chance you are correct, a Russia that does fit that description will massively augment Chinese power, tipping the scales in its struggle with the US and its colonies for world dominance this century. A world in which Russians are relatively privileged satraps of China (having pledged fealty to it first) is better for Russians than one in which they are at best third-class citizens within the West which is clearly the fate that Western Supremacists have marked out for the Eastern Slavs.
I will always remember Moscow as a gleaming and wonderful city, confident, optimistic, wealthy, European in face and proud of it. There was a future to it, compared to, say, dirty New York.
But that's gone now. Russia has locked itself into poverty and Chinese dependence. Another self-own, another slamming of the door in its own face, as in 1914 and 1917. I hope that the Chinese yoke will not extend to Ukraine and that this new world will be more like 1450 rather than 1250, though Russia is desperately trying to drag Ukraine down into the abyss it has stumbled into.
BTW, is it true that several FSB leaders have been arrested? That Putin was misinformed about what was waiting for him in Ukraine? If so, that would confirm that this whole clusterfuck was based on a fundamental error and misunderstanding. Or maybe Putin was reading the wrong person here.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
Yeah, I suppose you’re right, since there is such a large ideological factor involved. If Putin would be willing to settle for Ukrainian neutrality (of a genuine kind, allowing Ukraine economic relations with both EU and Russia) and recognition of Crimea and Donbass (and pay Ukraine for it, like after the US-Mexican war you mentioned) a settlement should be possible, but unfortunately he’s probably aiming for more.
Russia is obviously far too big and self-contained to ever become a Chinese dependency.
However, even on the freak chance you are correct, a Russia that does fit that description will massively augment Chinese power, tipping the scales in its struggle with the US and its colonies for world dominance this century. A world in which Russians are relatively privileged satraps of China (having pledged fealty to it first) is better for Russians than one in which they are at best third-class citizens within the West which is clearly the fate that Western Supremacists have marked out for the Eastern Slavs.Replies: @AP, @A123
Australia hasn’t been sanctioned by the entire Western world and is far from China.
I doubt it would tip the scales and produce a Chinese-dominated unipolar world but it would certainly insure China’s total independence vis a vis the West and ability to compete as an equal peer globally. And China would make sure that Russia would not spoil this arrangement.
Each of these negative possibilities have relative advantages or disadvantages, I suppose it’s a matter of taste which one is preferable. Being a part of the West (even as a sort of step-brother) would have provided possibilities because the West, dominated by the tired and defeatist Germanics, has been stumbling.
Or, a Russia and Eastern Europe free of poisonous self-hatred would inherit the role of being the main Western powers, in the same way that the Anglo-Germans took over from declining France and as France had earlier eclipsed the Meds.
I will always remember Moscow as a gleaming and wonderful city, confident, optimistic, wealthy, European in face and proud of it. There was a future to it, compared to, say, dirty New York.
But that’s gone now. Russia has locked itself into poverty and Chinese dependence. Another self-own, another slamming of the door in its own face, as in 1914 and 1917. I hope that the Chinese yoke will not extend to Ukraine and that this new world will be more like 1450 rather than 1250, though Russia is desperately trying to drag Ukraine down into the abyss it has stumbled into.
BTW, is it true that several FSB leaders have been arrested? That Putin was misinformed about what was waiting for him in Ukraine? If so, that would confirm that this whole clusterfuck was based on a fundamental error and misunderstanding. Or maybe Putin was reading the wrong person here.
5,000 deaths or 15,000 deaths or even 100,000 deaths is a modest price to pay for resolving this question sooner rather later.
If it loses, and ends up under either the Western Supremacist or the Chinese yoke if it comes to that, is quite irrelevant. The precise fates of losers are irrelevant and uninteresting in principle. For my own part, I will simply transfer over my allegiance to either the Celestial Empire or the dharmic cause, whichever I judge has the higher chance of smashing Western Supremacism, the prime adversary of all humanity. No idea, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was true. The FSB doesn't recruit the best people as I have pointed out. Ironically, though, it might be for the best anyway. This heroic leap towards finality, regardless of whether it ends in greatness or ruin, is highly uncharacteristic in light of Putin's prior record of (excessive) caution.Replies: @AP, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
I will always remember Moscow as a gleaming and wonderful city, confident, optimistic, wealthy, European in face and proud of it. There was a future to it, compared to, say, dirty New York.
But that's gone now. Russia has locked itself into poverty and Chinese dependence. Another self-own, another slamming of the door in its own face, as in 1914 and 1917. I hope that the Chinese yoke will not extend to Ukraine and that this new world will be more like 1450 rather than 1250, though Russia is desperately trying to drag Ukraine down into the abyss it has stumbled into.
BTW, is it true that several FSB leaders have been arrested? That Putin was misinformed about what was waiting for him in Ukraine? If so, that would confirm that this whole clusterfuck was based on a fundamental error and misunderstanding. Or maybe Putin was reading the wrong person here.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
I view it as a heroic and indeed deeply thymotic roll of the dice to determine whether Russia survives as an autonomous world-civilization pursuing a Cosmic destiny or fades into obscurancy, the twilight phrase of its abortive history.
5,000 deaths or 15,000 deaths or even 100,000 deaths is a modest price to pay for resolving this question sooner rather later.
If it loses, and ends up under either the Western Supremacist or the Chinese yoke if it comes to that, is quite irrelevant. The precise fates of losers are irrelevant and uninteresting in principle. For my own part, I will simply transfer over my allegiance to either the Celestial Empire or the dharmic cause, whichever I judge has the higher chance of smashing Western Supremacism, the prime adversary of all humanity.
No idea, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it was true. The FSB doesn’t recruit the best people as I have pointed out. Ironically, though, it might be for the best anyway. This heroic leap towards finality, regardless of whether it ends in greatness or ruin, is highly uncharacteristic in light of Putin’s prior record of (excessive) caution.
The powers that had inherited the leadership of the West (America, and its Anglo sidekicks) have been becoming more decadent and weaker. But they are still capable of much destruction when stirred. Russia could have just waited them out. The time for the West to be dominated by the Slavs was coming (and Russia's Eurasian tinge wouldn't have changed that, Spain had been similar with its partial Moorish heritage). It only required patience.
France was eclipsed by the English and the Germans, after the early 1800s that has-been power had become irrelevant as those two Germanic peoples competed for ownership of the West. The English/Americans won and ruled the world for awhile. But they have become mired in self-hatred, laziness, and self-absorbed obscurantism. The time for Poland, Ukraine, Russia to be the dominant face of the West was coming. Putin fucked it up. You sort out which Slavic group will be in control of the West after the ones whom the Slavs replace have become irrelevant. Now you will just kill a bunch of Slavs in a war that you might not even win, you have alerted the Germanics to the danger and they will crush you because they still can and because you have weakened yourself. Nukes will prevent you for being invaded outright but it looks like the only hope of some semblance of survival will be Chinese vassalage.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Coconuts
Anami stops the coup and ordered young officers to obey the Emperor. He then went home and committed seppuku. Leaving the note-- *神州 (c: shénzhōu, j: shinshū) Deital Land is a poetic term used to refer to Japan. It’s borrowed from hanzi and used also to refer to China.
This is called talking the talk and walking the walk. You are of military age, if you believe in your cause you should enlist and go fight in the front.
I've respected and supported you before in so far as ideas and blogger. You've gone too far.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
Russia is obviously far too big and self-contained to ever become a Chinese dependency.
However, even on the freak chance you are correct, a Russia that does fit that description will massively augment Chinese power, tipping the scales in its struggle with the US and its colonies for world dominance this century. A world in which Russians are relatively privileged satraps of China (having pledged fealty to it first) is better for Russians than one in which they are at best third-class citizens within the West which is clearly the fate that Western Supremacists have marked out for the Eastern Slavs.Replies: @AP, @A123
That is the “best case” scenario. There are others.
The “worst case” scenario is a struggle between Moscow and Beijing to control the duopoly. Both the Kremlin and the CCP have a built in assumption that they will be “The Central Authority”.
The U.S. does not have colonies. The WEF Elites of Davos inflict their SJW Globalist rule on the U.S.
The Christian people of Russia and the Christian people of the U.S. are logical allies in the struggle against anti-Christian UN/NWO Authoritarianism.
PEACE 😇
5,000 deaths or 15,000 deaths or even 100,000 deaths is a modest price to pay for resolving this question sooner rather later.
If it loses, and ends up under either the Western Supremacist or the Chinese yoke if it comes to that, is quite irrelevant. The precise fates of losers are irrelevant and uninteresting in principle. For my own part, I will simply transfer over my allegiance to either the Celestial Empire or the dharmic cause, whichever I judge has the higher chance of smashing Western Supremacism, the prime adversary of all humanity. No idea, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was true. The FSB doesn't recruit the best people as I have pointed out. Ironically, though, it might be for the best anyway. This heroic leap towards finality, regardless of whether it ends in greatness or ruin, is highly uncharacteristic in light of Putin's prior record of (excessive) caution.Replies: @AP, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
It was not heroic but tragic.
The powers that had inherited the leadership of the West (America, and its Anglo sidekicks) have been becoming more decadent and weaker. But they are still capable of much destruction when stirred. Russia could have just waited them out. The time for the West to be dominated by the Slavs was coming (and Russia’s Eurasian tinge wouldn’t have changed that, Spain had been similar with its partial Moorish heritage). It only required patience.
France was eclipsed by the English and the Germans, after the early 1800s that has-been power had become irrelevant as those two Germanic peoples competed for ownership of the West. The English/Americans won and ruled the world for awhile. But they have become mired in self-hatred, laziness, and self-absorbed obscurantism. The time for Poland, Ukraine, Russia to be the dominant face of the West was coming. Putin fucked it up. You sort out which Slavic group will be in control of the West after the ones whom the Slavs replace have become irrelevant. Now you will just kill a bunch of Slavs in a war that you might not even win, you have alerted the Germanics to the danger and they will crush you because they still can and because you have weakened yourself. Nukes will prevent you for being invaded outright but it looks like the only hope of some semblance of survival will be Chinese vassalage.
Neither Poland by itself or even some kind of schizo Intermarium (as if those peoples would ever get along organically) does not have the weight to be its own civilizational pole, nor do they have the will to be one, running a little clerical Shire that barks at Russia from under the American nuclear umbrella is the limit of Polish ambitions.
Russia does (just about) have the demographic, economic, and ideological weight to be its own world-civilization complete with segregated noosphere and space program. In time, many Ukrainians will serve it loyally.
https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1502769638177972231
Does this maek u mad?Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ
The powers that had inherited the leadership of the West (America, and its Anglo sidekicks) have been becoming more decadent and weaker. But they are still capable of much destruction when stirred. Russia could have just waited them out. The time for the West to be dominated by the Slavs was coming (and Russia's Eurasian tinge wouldn't have changed that, Spain had been similar with its partial Moorish heritage). It only required patience.
France was eclipsed by the English and the Germans, after the early 1800s that has-been power had become irrelevant as those two Germanic peoples competed for ownership of the West. The English/Americans won and ruled the world for awhile. But they have become mired in self-hatred, laziness, and self-absorbed obscurantism. The time for Poland, Ukraine, Russia to be the dominant face of the West was coming. Putin fucked it up. You sort out which Slavic group will be in control of the West after the ones whom the Slavs replace have become irrelevant. Now you will just kill a bunch of Slavs in a war that you might not even win, you have alerted the Germanics to the danger and they will crush you because they still can and because you have weakened yourself. Nukes will prevent you for being invaded outright but it looks like the only hope of some semblance of survival will be Chinese vassalage.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Coconuts
The Germanics no longer have that kind of power, their % of global GDP is too small, and they will not fight an apocalyptic nuclear war over Russia’s claims on its own historical demesne (Zelensky’s rabid psychopathic attempts to provoke WW3 regardless). Basically all non-Whites on this planet support Russia.
Neither Poland by itself or even some kind of schizo Intermarium (as if those peoples would ever get along organically) does not have the weight to be its own civilizational pole, nor do they have the will to be one, running a little clerical Shire that barks at Russia from under the American nuclear umbrella is the limit of Polish ambitions.
Russia does (just about) have the demographic, economic, and ideological weight to be its own world-civilization complete with segregated noosphere and space program. In time, many Ukrainians will serve it loyally.
Does this maek u mad?
The EU is much more impressive as a separate civilizational pole than Russia is. The EU has three times more people and something like 20 times more Nature Index production. If Ukrainians want greater economies of scale, the EU is a much better bet for them than Russia is. And the EU is attractive enough for them that it doesn't have to try conquering them by force; Ukrainians eagerly want to sign up voluntarily for the EU project!
So blacks.
Also, when you say "blacks," what do you mean? Like Africans or Indians, or something else?Replies: @Svidomyatheart
Neither Poland by itself or even some kind of schizo Intermarium (as if those peoples would ever get along organically) does not have the weight to be its own civilizational pole, nor do they have the will to be one, running a little clerical Shire that barks at Russia from under the American nuclear umbrella is the limit of Polish ambitions.
Russia does (just about) have the demographic, economic, and ideological weight to be its own world-civilization complete with segregated noosphere and space program. In time, many Ukrainians will serve it loyally.
https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1502769638177972231
Does this maek u mad?Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ
Anglo world + Germany + Scandinavia (the Germanics) have about 40% of the global GDP. China has 17%. Japan has 5%. India and France each have 3%. Italy has 2%. Russia has a little under 2%.
Who knows? They are part of the West but have not succumbed to self-hatred and nihilism. So they will be left after the others fall. And then we can see more, how a Slavic West looks like.
Russia has not recovered from its 1914 and 1917 self-owns. It has fewer people than Nigeria and Bangladesh. Mexico is catching up. It was much too soon to try to provoke the Germanics now, as it has done. And it not only provoked the dominant powers but did so by murdering other Slavs and trying to take them down too. So in addition to it being stupid, it is disgusting.
The powers that had inherited the leadership of the West (America, and its Anglo sidekicks) have been becoming more decadent and weaker. But they are still capable of much destruction when stirred. Russia could have just waited them out. The time for the West to be dominated by the Slavs was coming (and Russia's Eurasian tinge wouldn't have changed that, Spain had been similar with its partial Moorish heritage). It only required patience.
France was eclipsed by the English and the Germans, after the early 1800s that has-been power had become irrelevant as those two Germanic peoples competed for ownership of the West. The English/Americans won and ruled the world for awhile. But they have become mired in self-hatred, laziness, and self-absorbed obscurantism. The time for Poland, Ukraine, Russia to be the dominant face of the West was coming. Putin fucked it up. You sort out which Slavic group will be in control of the West after the ones whom the Slavs replace have become irrelevant. Now you will just kill a bunch of Slavs in a war that you might not even win, you have alerted the Germanics to the danger and they will crush you because they still can and because you have weakened yourself. Nukes will prevent you for being invaded outright but it looks like the only hope of some semblance of survival will be Chinese vassalage.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Coconuts
I think German_reader has pointed this out a couple of times earlier in this thread, but at least for the moment the main targets of their destructive tendencies are still their historic majority populations. If things continue as predicted Slavs will probably never be able to lead what is left of these countries, the dominant influences will be Algeria, Turkey, Nigeria, India, Pakistan etc. The Slavic countries may be able to preserve what is left of European civilisation in Eastern and central Europe, but the West in a recognisable form will be gone.
(also have to say I find AP's comments about conflict between Anglos/Germanics and Slavs fucking creepy...is that merely an attempt to show Karlin the error of his ways, or a genuinely held sentiment? Interesting what seems to be hiding in the minds of a lot of people, in my naivety it once didn't occur to me that people still thought like that. But ultimately these fantasies are pointless, since you're right that the future will belong more to the likes of Nigeria and Pakistan than the nations of anyone writing here. What a ridiculous end to the white man and his world.)Replies: @Yevardian, @Dmitry, @Svidomyatheart
I don’t believe that for one minute. Poland’s birth rate is absolutely miserable, it’s an aging and vanishing society just as much as Western Europe. And while I don’t want to come across like a stereotypical arrogant German, I can’t but find AP’s idea of a “Slavic West” ridiculous. There is no Europe when Britain, France, Germany and Italy are gone, because frankly the rest are completely irrelevant on their own.
(also have to say I find AP’s comments about conflict between Anglos/Germanics and Slavs fucking creepy…is that merely an attempt to show Karlin the error of his ways, or a genuinely held sentiment? Interesting what seems to be hiding in the minds of a lot of people, in my naivety it once didn’t occur to me that people still thought like that. But ultimately these fantasies are pointless, since you’re right that the future will belong more to the likes of Nigeria and Pakistan than the nations of anyone writing here. What a ridiculous end to the white man and his world.)
I'm surprised that this came as a surprise to you frankly. I'm afraid I tend to agree more with AP than Karlin here, literally all Russia had to do was wait, Ukraine would have come around eventually. This things happen, populations naturally fluctuate throughout history. Granted a demographic collapse like this is unprecedented, but the birthrate everywhere is set to crash globally (except perhaps Africa, that place is so different I'm not sure if normal rules for human civilisation apply), but the time gaps between these crashes are of course extremely important.Replies: @German_reader
Schmitt understood Anglos are different from rest of Europe, just like Russians are and Anglo empire never went away just changed capitals. Zemmour understands it as well.I know its hard to accept being half Anglo, but guess what I have family members in Russia as well...I dont have any illusions about them.Also never, ever listen to AP he has been wrong on everything from thinking the invasion will not happen, to thinking Russians are possible to be reasoned with, and to being a giant multiculti cuck thinking Catholicism will somehow save anything
edit: to your other response since I cant post more than 3 posts until 3 hours are up, will come back tomorrowWell tbh apparently they simply reiterated it in polspeak You can listen to the article for free. Which I did. It essentially says it tbh but in more liberalspeak terms .Replies: @Coconuts
(also have to say I find AP's comments about conflict between Anglos/Germanics and Slavs fucking creepy...is that merely an attempt to show Karlin the error of his ways, or a genuinely held sentiment? Interesting what seems to be hiding in the minds of a lot of people, in my naivety it once didn't occur to me that people still thought like that. But ultimately these fantasies are pointless, since you're right that the future will belong more to the likes of Nigeria and Pakistan than the nations of anyone writing here. What a ridiculous end to the white man and his world.)Replies: @Yevardian, @Dmitry, @Svidomyatheart
This is how most of the world still thinks, and probably always will. Germany, Western Europe and their offshoots are the exception in this regard, of course this crazy universalism (inside every pajeet is a based UKIPer struggling to get out, etc.) is how we got here in the first place.
I’m surprised that this came as a surprise to you frankly. I’m afraid I tend to agree more with AP than Karlin here, literally all Russia had to do was wait, Ukraine would have come around eventually.
This things happen, populations naturally fluctuate throughout history. Granted a demographic collapse like this is unprecedented, but the birthrate everywhere is set to crash globally (except perhaps Africa, that place is so different I’m not sure if normal rules for human civilisation apply), but the time gaps between these crashes are of course extremely important.
Are you talking about the other forum members like myself? I live in the West, I understand as much as you of the West, as we each have the same 24 hours in our day. Lol I’ve already lived in the West for significantly more than half of a decade.
In many of our experiences, including my one, it is a comfortable and easy life in the West.
I always enjoyed reading the doomerism on this forum as a kind of escapism or rebalancing from daily life experiences.
I mean, it’s supposed to be an economic crisis now? Half of carparks filling more each week with office workers’ online orders of Teslas and Porsche Taycans. People with salary in one year, equivalent of decades of salary (or whole life time of salary) in Russia, etc. There is something like an sense of undeserved cornucopia in the Western industries.
Then we can log on this forum, for a daily dose of doomerism and negative views, about the economic collapse, rising corruption, etc.
There was Radical Centrist writing to me a few weeks ago about how he plans to emigrate from somewhere in the West, to Izmir in Turkey.
Well, you come to the forum which specifically filters for people with “idiosyncratic” (to say mildly) views, and then say you are surprised your found such views here.
Although, I do not want to criticize AP, as he seems like a human person, with sense of morality, etc, who can be giving money even to charity kind of person. Just you need to avoid certain topics like the conquistadors.
Ukraine won’t have to take in anybody. They might get some hot air pressure, but that’s it.
Also, when you say “blacks,” what do you mean? Like Africans or Indians, or something else?
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>"Nobody wants to live in a Ukranian Ukraine, or a Russian Ukraine. People want to live in a vibrant, democratic, liberal and especially multiracial Ukraine."
>"Ukranians are not defined by blonde hair or blue eyes and they do not have white skin. Ukrainians are just people who live in these lands and see it as their own. Ukraine should, in the future, be a modern babel - a great mixing of all peoples of the world, once Russia is defeated." >"We are fighting for everyone who is LGBT, we are fighting for everyone who is black, who is Jewish, whoever is not the typical European. Everybody who President Putin hates. Our fight is a multicultural nation, defending itself against an assimilationist empire. Ukraine is for all peoples of all races, not just Russians"
Wall Street Journal-a US mouthpiece btw
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-zelensky-president-jewish-babel-putin-war-11646786791Replies: @German_reader, @Svidomyatheart
I'm surprised that this came as a surprise to you frankly. I'm afraid I tend to agree more with AP than Karlin here, literally all Russia had to do was wait, Ukraine would have come around eventually. This things happen, populations naturally fluctuate throughout history. Granted a demographic collapse like this is unprecedented, but the birthrate everywhere is set to crash globally (except perhaps Africa, that place is so different I'm not sure if normal rules for human civilisation apply), but the time gaps between these crashes are of course extremely important.Replies: @German_reader
Sure. I just find it funny, when someone like AP who always pretends to be above nationalism, makes a show of his Catholicism and wants Ukraine in the EU then readily resorts to such tribalist arguments. Interesting.
I don’t disagree with that either, but Russia’s recent actions have probably been rather counter-productive in this regard.
But communism required several operant conditions which no longer predominate, such as low literacy. Once a certain developmental threshold is reached, communism is no longer possible without an invading communist army. What are we defending? lines on a map? Or the right of the people living there, who have lived there for centuries? Or the allocation of extensive natural resources? Whatever it is, we should be honest about it. Some may want to fight for the resources. I don't wholly blame them, but, IMO, the best resource is young men, and, personally speaking, I would not trade them for gas. AK did an article on it. But there are more Jews in Ukraine, as a percentage of the population. It makes sense that they would attain more power, as that is what we see in other places. My local area is one of the top areas in America, and there are bridges names after them - bridges that were supposed to be named after Revolutionary battles. I don't see how, unless they are kept there forcefully. But, more to the point, one cannot guarantee safety, unless it is through one's own lines. US bombed China during Korean War, for reasons of logistics, but they were never realistically going to occupy it. Anyway, it could be a bargaining chip. Don't I? I thought I did (and I am not referring to WASPs.) Follow the money. Follow who you can't criticize. The sovereign decides the exception. It is not the same elite of my grandfather's time. Seems rather naive of you, IMO. The majority of oligarchs got on planes ahead of time - they didn't even wait for it to begin. Why risk their necks, unnecessarily?
But if any have expressed patriotic feelings, it is not surprising as their wealth is tied to the corruption that is the exiting regime. It is not surprising that Zelenksy wants to stay in power. Are you seriously trying to tell me that a system that chose a guy who played a piano with his dick and dressed in S&M gear on television is full of nationalists? The oligarchs selected Zelenksy and promoted him. That's in the past. If you have a time machine, maybe, you can go back and convince Merkel to immediately object to the prospect of Ukrainian membership in NATO, and resolve this conflict peacefully without anyone dying. That's not the point, at all. I am not trying to exculpate Putin, or dismiss Ukrainians.
Actually, what I'm trying to come up with a baseline of violence, on which to judge some of the moral potentialities of some of foreign policies that have been floated.
Should we establish a no fly zone in a contest between nuclear powers, to stop a conflict that isn't some flat out genocide, with mass civilian killings? Risk a nuclear holocaust, where hundreds of millions, or potentially even billions could die, as supply lines breakdown, because there were a couple of stray shells? No that would be exceedingly unethical.
But if you are averse to violence, then why do you want Ukrainians to be supplied with more weapons? That will just lead to more death and more stray bullets. Russian conscripts will be killed, and they will want to defend themselves, so they will be quick on the trigger. The conflict will be drawn out. Putin will try to move up his timeline, in order to get ahead of greater support by the West. This will result in more deaths, when at first, he was prepared to go relatively slow.Replies: @German_reader, @Dmitry, @LatW
Economy can become much more state controlled (even more than in the informal oligarch system of the last decades), but communism is just not possible in the current society, considering it implies increasing egalitarianism.
Postsoviet ideology is throwing options to recycle from the past. If you want to choose communism, nationalism and imperialism.
Nationalism is demographically not possible in Russian Federation, as the country is multinational, especially the elite, but also the future young workers. From the viewpoint of the authorities, nationalism would destroy the country from within, by tearing it into separatisms and cause expropriation of the multinational elite. This is why nationalism is forbidden ideology.
Return to communism, is not possible, from the elite, as egalitarianism is not possible exactly to reconcile with self-interest of the billionaires. Perhaps, it would require at least a change of current government, if not revolution, to re-introduce communism.
But imperialism is very politically correct. It’s almost as a process of elimination, that imperialism will be part of the ideology of the future.
I think Ukraine might have the most poor (or non-rich) “people with Jewish roots”. They have a lot of youth with Jewish roots, flooding Israel. Also Jewish/Israel youth camps in Ukraine look like they are flooding with kids preparing to repatriate to Israel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfHC-hzMzyA.)
But in Russia, there will be the most rich Jews in the world, after the USA. I guess there are tens of thousands of rich Jews.
These sanctions and financial crisis now, will be surely the largest destruction of Jewish money, since the Second World War. Even Abramovich loses Chelsea now, perhaps Pumpyansky would not fund Jewish film festivals, although at least Moshkovich can be profiting from shortage of sugar in Russia at the moment.
In context of some of these people, even I (as a liberal) begin to develop a socialist attitude. And personally, I would even like to go to Jewish film festivals and watch some Israeli cinema there.
(also have to say I find AP's comments about conflict between Anglos/Germanics and Slavs fucking creepy...is that merely an attempt to show Karlin the error of his ways, or a genuinely held sentiment? Interesting what seems to be hiding in the minds of a lot of people, in my naivety it once didn't occur to me that people still thought like that. But ultimately these fantasies are pointless, since you're right that the future will belong more to the likes of Nigeria and Pakistan than the nations of anyone writing here. What a ridiculous end to the white man and his world.)Replies: @Yevardian, @Dmitry, @Svidomyatheart
Poland is an aging society, in the demographic sense (like much of the world). But I think people like AP, who prioritizes opposing immigration. Countries like Poland will never be very popular for immigrants, because the standard of living is a lot lower there than other countries within the same labor mobility bloc.
“Poor land” is not the primarily selection of economic immigration, or even secondary option in Europe. Maybe it would be an selection if you do not have a better option in Europe. But it is one of the countries in Europe which is less attractive for immigration.
Immigration choice is mainly determined by bureaucratic possibility of immigration and the living standard of the country. If you have equal choice between Poland or Germany, everyone will immigrate to Germany.
Most every immigrant wants to flood to Germany, before they would go to Poland. This is true also for Ukrainian immigrants, if Ukraine becomes an EU member country. Ukrainians would start to immigrate to Germany.
So, Poland will experience “aging society” (just like everywhere), but excluding crisis and currently the nightmare in non-EU Ukraine (which produces refugees, rather than economic immigrants), Poland not necessarily to experience “aging society + mass immigration”.
5,000 deaths or 15,000 deaths or even 100,000 deaths is a modest price to pay for resolving this question sooner rather later.
If it loses, and ends up under either the Western Supremacist or the Chinese yoke if it comes to that, is quite irrelevant. The precise fates of losers are irrelevant and uninteresting in principle. For my own part, I will simply transfer over my allegiance to either the Celestial Empire or the dharmic cause, whichever I judge has the higher chance of smashing Western Supremacism, the prime adversary of all humanity. No idea, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was true. The FSB doesn't recruit the best people as I have pointed out. Ironically, though, it might be for the best anyway. This heroic leap towards finality, regardless of whether it ends in greatness or ruin, is highly uncharacteristic in light of Putin's prior record of (excessive) caution.Replies: @AP, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
In August of 1945, after Hiroshima, Soviet entry and Nagasaki, the slogan of the IJA hawks remained:
Leader of the hawks was Anami Korechika 阿南 惟幾. Until Hirohito intervenes on the part of the Doves. A coup by young hothead Army officers starts, to kill the Doves and kidnap Hirohito.
Anami stops the coup and ordered young officers to obey the Emperor. He then went home and committed seppuku. Leaving the note–
*神州 (c: shénzhōu, j: shinshū) Deital Land is a poetic term used to refer to Japan. It’s borrowed from hanzi and used also to refer to China.
This is called talking the talk and walking the walk. You are of military age, if you believe in your cause you should enlist and go fight in the front.
I’ve respected and supported you before in so far as ideas and blogger. You’ve gone too far.
I couldn't care less for your respect and support, so kindly shove them along with your lectures back where they came from.
In context of some of these people, even I (as a liberal) begin to develop a socialist attitude. And personally, I would even like to go to Jewish film festivals and watch some Israeli cinema there.Replies: @Mr. Hack
Poland looks to benefit immensely from this huge influx of Ukrainians. A hard working, educated populace that shares similar religious beliefs that adds to Poland’s lack of population growth, what’s there not to like? Already, I’ve seen videos of Ukrainian children quickly learning the Polish tongue, in no time.
Moments of illusions pass quickly. No one can help Poland. No one cares about Łowicz, Lublin or Kalisz ...
Poles MUST ALWAYS count ONLY ON THEMSELVES ...
However, looking at the inner deep division, at "myself"
Poland cannot count either.
GERMANY and all the rest are not helping Ukraine, because as a rule, according to "EU values", they are FOR KILLING CHILDREN.
And it is precisely for NOT killing children in Poland, i.e. for "violating EU values" that the EU authorities impose on 🇵🇱 further sanctions
The death of a child does not impress EU leftists ...
https://twitter.com/JSaryuszWolski/status/1502032075679047684?cxt=HHwWiIC9gd-NpdgpAAAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vknsjxGnrTk&t=20s
https://www.gov.pl/web/norge/intervention-of-the-embassy-of-the-republic-of-poland-in-norwegian-medias-regarding-articles-on-alleged-racist-behaviors-towards-refugees-from-ukraineReplies: @Mr. Hack
Also, when you say "blacks," what do you mean? Like Africans or Indians, or something else?Replies: @Svidomyatheart
Oh they absolutely have plans to flood us with infinity refugees
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>”Nobody wants to live in a Ukranian Ukraine, or a Russian Ukraine. People want to live in a vibrant, democratic, liberal and especially multiracial Ukraine.”
>”Ukranians are not defined by blonde hair or blue eyes and they do not have white skin. Ukrainians are just people who live in these lands and see it as their own. Ukraine should, in the future, be a modern babel – a great mixing of all peoples of the world, once Russia is defeated.” >”We are fighting for everyone who is LGBT, we are fighting for everyone who is black, who is Jewish, whoever is not the typical European. Everybody who President Putin hates. Our fight is a multicultural nation, defending itself against an assimilationist empire. Ukraine is for all peoples of all races, not just Russians”
Wall Street Journal-a US mouthpiece btw
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-zelensky-president-jewish-babel-putin-war-11646786791
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/366503247/why-are-russian-shills-so-afraid-ofReplies: @German_reader
But communism required several operant conditions which no longer predominate, such as low literacy. Once a certain developmental threshold is reached, communism is no longer possible without an invading communist army. What are we defending? lines on a map? Or the right of the people living there, who have lived there for centuries? Or the allocation of extensive natural resources? Whatever it is, we should be honest about it. Some may want to fight for the resources. I don't wholly blame them, but, IMO, the best resource is young men, and, personally speaking, I would not trade them for gas. AK did an article on it. But there are more Jews in Ukraine, as a percentage of the population. It makes sense that they would attain more power, as that is what we see in other places. My local area is one of the top areas in America, and there are bridges names after them - bridges that were supposed to be named after Revolutionary battles. I don't see how, unless they are kept there forcefully. But, more to the point, one cannot guarantee safety, unless it is through one's own lines. US bombed China during Korean War, for reasons of logistics, but they were never realistically going to occupy it. Anyway, it could be a bargaining chip. Don't I? I thought I did (and I am not referring to WASPs.) Follow the money. Follow who you can't criticize. The sovereign decides the exception. It is not the same elite of my grandfather's time. Seems rather naive of you, IMO. The majority of oligarchs got on planes ahead of time - they didn't even wait for it to begin. Why risk their necks, unnecessarily?
But if any have expressed patriotic feelings, it is not surprising as their wealth is tied to the corruption that is the exiting regime. It is not surprising that Zelenksy wants to stay in power. Are you seriously trying to tell me that a system that chose a guy who played a piano with his dick and dressed in S&M gear on television is full of nationalists? The oligarchs selected Zelenksy and promoted him. That's in the past. If you have a time machine, maybe, you can go back and convince Merkel to immediately object to the prospect of Ukrainian membership in NATO, and resolve this conflict peacefully without anyone dying. That's not the point, at all. I am not trying to exculpate Putin, or dismiss Ukrainians.
Actually, what I'm trying to come up with a baseline of violence, on which to judge some of the moral potentialities of some of foreign policies that have been floated.
Should we establish a no fly zone in a contest between nuclear powers, to stop a conflict that isn't some flat out genocide, with mass civilian killings? Risk a nuclear holocaust, where hundreds of millions, or potentially even billions could die, as supply lines breakdown, because there were a couple of stray shells? No that would be exceedingly unethical.
But if you are averse to violence, then why do you want Ukrainians to be supplied with more weapons? That will just lead to more death and more stray bullets. Russian conscripts will be killed, and they will want to defend themselves, so they will be quick on the trigger. The conflict will be drawn out. Putin will try to move up his timeline, in order to get ahead of greater support by the West. This will result in more deaths, when at first, he was prepared to go relatively slow.Replies: @German_reader, @Dmitry, @LatW
Yes, this seems to be the case, there were apparently some particular grievances there, conditions for the sailors may have been quite harsh. Could be that it’s just really tight on the ship.
No, but large masses of them did participate in the revolution. Btw, there have been a couple of interesting documentaries in recent years on Russian TV about the Civil war and the revolution, and the leading narrative is that the blame for the negative outcomes lays with the Russian bourgeoisie and the liberal class that had connections with the West. It almost resonates a little with the disdain for the liberal Yeltsin years.
Anyway, my point regarding your comment about Putin was he doesn’t need to be a Stalin for his actions to be unacceptable. The reason he is not more harsh is because he doesn’t have support on the ground in Ukraine. I wasn’t even talking about Romania or Poland. And btw it’s starting to look like the actions of the Russian troops in the occupied parts are quite harsh — there are reports of rape, marauding, murder. You said you cared about famine. Near Melitopol, there was a chicken farm where a million chickens died. Not only is this sad for the poor chickens, but this ecological calamity can even be used to “prove there are biolabs in Ukraine run by Pentagon” or what not.
Both, my point was that it’s easy to talk about how others should give up their land, if we were talking about yours it’d be very different. Americans would freak the hell out if they had to give up territory. Russia, too, look how dedicated Russia is to every little piece of their land, even the tiny Kurils. This is how it should be because if you give up land you invite more land to be taken from you. I thought these were basic laws of Nature that are obvious to everyone, it’s baffling that some don’t see why the Ukrainians wouldn’t want to give up theirs. It’s their ancestral homeland which they love. Statehood, sovereignty is what protects the individual. Without it a person is very vulnerable.
A big part of this attack is purely about plunder. It looks like Russians are trying to steal the nuclear plant, factories, ports.
Of course, not! This one I absolutely agree with. Both land AND young men are the best resource. Young men’s energy is absolutely vital to this world (and even to some extent their innocent and open hearts and minds). Indeed, young men standing in defense of their ancestral land, as the young men of Ukraine are doing today, is a beautiful sight to behold. I wish, however, that they hadn’t been dealt such a heavy burden.
And, yes, this is another resource Russia is trying to steal. Peeps. Toly openly admitted it.
It’s just that Russia is not entitled to these men, they were created and grown by Ukraine.
I don’t even know anymore how to define a sphere of influence. The world is more free and open today, and more wealthy. You can’t force people as easily. I mean, do you feel that you are under some sphere of influence? Because you can’t criticize the woke everywhere you go?
I wasn’t talking about the oligarchs but the political and media elite. They are all still there, fighting, losing sleep. Even their athletes. It’s uncanny and painful to watch. The Ukrainian politicians are important assets and they probably shouldn’t stay there until their deaths. Although it is heroic and they are on their own land.
Btw, Poroshenko can sort of be considered an “oligarch”. And he is still there, he has assembled the national guard around him, almost build his own little unit. It’s really awesome, when he gives interviews, his men stand around him in a circle and look outwards. They look so bad ass.
It’s a myth that Zelensky is a “clown”. He’s a business man, a manager. He built his own studio. As to the skits he used to perform earlier… you may not know this, but there is a whole phenomenon of Russophone entertainment that is a little bit tacky. 🙂 They do cross dressing and all sorts of goofy stuff, it’s a culture called KVN (the so called “Club of the Hilarious & Witty ones”). It’s stand up humor which is very popular and makes good money because it’s a huge market. He was already affluent.
But to answer your question re: nationalists, no, the system is full of patriots, not nationalists. Nationalists are a smaller strata and they are also intermingled there. Avakov, for instance, can be considered a Russophone Ukrainian nationalist (a very strong man who should be president). And he’s very much there. Ukraine is all he has. They are all there, and the two leading parties are no longer bickering, of course. There are literally MPs that are at war right now. It’s heartbreaking.
Of course, this is valid. Well, there is a lot of theory out there about trying to figure out this “baseline of violence” and when intervention can be considered. But in this case the West has to brainstorm about what to do and this may not be so much about the morality, but the contingencies on the ground, security considerations. I don’t know how to calculate these risks, utu proposed something, I think he may be some kind of a quant and maybe tried to figure out the risks. The West must be pro-active, but also prudent, extremely careful. I would still not call this a “gentle invasion”. If there is such a thing at all.
I’m not averse to violence on principle. Especially if there is a jus ad bellum. I meant our tolerance for violence should be low to protect people, but, if needed, violence needs to be well prepared, swift and crushing to show the enemy he’ll be punished if he proceeds. Ukrainians are on their ancestral land. Defending themselves. Violence is very necessary here. The weapons need to be supplied so that the Russian advance can be significantly slowed down and so that Ukraine can potentially prepare for a counter attack, if possible.
Russian combatants are on the Ukrainian soil illegally as invaders and murderers. Russian soldiers signed all the papers and they had agency, if they were lied about the purpose of this mission that is something they need to figure out on their end, it’s not the Ukrainians’ problem. Once they’re on Ukrainian soil, they are invaders and must be subjected to immediate destruction to protect the local population. This would be carried out in any state, including the US.
If you care about Russian soldiers, then you might want to know about Kadyrov’s gangs of enforcers who are now apparently following Russian groups and shooting any deserters. This is confirming the worst stereotypes about the Russian military. It’s actually quite shocking, I had a different impression about their recent development from browsing YouTube (I guess those must’ve been just ads).
Many of them are surrendering.
If you consider the example of Ireland, it is such a small country. There is no way that wokeness could have sprung indigenously. It is simply too rural. There aren't enough cities, or people in universities. Outside mechanisms of power were applied to Ireland, to make it woke. And this can be seen in things like funding for the abortion vote.
I feel quite strongly that, when I travel outside of America, I am in an American sphere. I see things that seem like an echo of America. Things that should not be. IMO, chickens are horrible, cannibalistic monsters, with beady eyes. I once proposed a voting system here, where one needed to be willing to kill one, in order to have a valid vote. Wish I could send Congress. I'd like to break this bad habit (as I see it) of perceptually getting involved in foreign conflicts.
Personally, I'd like to cede large parts of the US, starting with Puerto Rico. Though maybe it is not such a good idea, as the demographic gains would quickly evaporate, with the years. Reminds me of what i heard happened to television in Spain after Franco. BTW, I appreciate your tasteful edit of my rude comment. Heard about him. They say he's the only one. Seems theatrical, from what I hear, but never saw him. When people are shooting at you, you shoot back - I can appreciate that.
But there's also the foreign policy dimension, when you are not a Ukrainian. If your side is supplying the weapons that are killing someone else's sons, that will inevitably generate a great deal of ill will. Some will be made into walking freak shows that hurt the eyes to look upon. Others into legless ones. This has a cost that is hard to quantify, but it is not cheap and could potentially be pretty severe.
Last time the US did this, there were tangible bad feelings that lasted a long time. The quarters of the American astronauts training to be part of the Mir program were vandalized. I believe that was in 1995. The same year that Yeltsin, famous drunk (there's a band called "Yeltin's Liver" or something; he had a close intimate for a while that used to be called Yeltsin's "right-hand glass", instead of "right-hand man", activated his nuclear suitcase, after a missile launch in Norway.Replies: @LatW
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>"Nobody wants to live in a Ukranian Ukraine, or a Russian Ukraine. People want to live in a vibrant, democratic, liberal and especially multiracial Ukraine."
>"Ukranians are not defined by blonde hair or blue eyes and they do not have white skin. Ukrainians are just people who live in these lands and see it as their own. Ukraine should, in the future, be a modern babel - a great mixing of all peoples of the world, once Russia is defeated." >"We are fighting for everyone who is LGBT, we are fighting for everyone who is black, who is Jewish, whoever is not the typical European. Everybody who President Putin hates. Our fight is a multicultural nation, defending itself against an assimilationist empire. Ukraine is for all peoples of all races, not just Russians"
Wall Street Journal-a US mouthpiece btw
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-zelensky-president-jewish-babel-putin-war-11646786791Replies: @German_reader, @Svidomyatheart
Article is paywalled, I think the part you quoted might be made-up (though there are certainly people who think that way).
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>"Nobody wants to live in a Ukranian Ukraine, or a Russian Ukraine. People want to live in a vibrant, democratic, liberal and especially multiracial Ukraine."
>"Ukranians are not defined by blonde hair or blue eyes and they do not have white skin. Ukrainians are just people who live in these lands and see it as their own. Ukraine should, in the future, be a modern babel - a great mixing of all peoples of the world, once Russia is defeated." >"We are fighting for everyone who is LGBT, we are fighting for everyone who is black, who is Jewish, whoever is not the typical European. Everybody who President Putin hates. Our fight is a multicultural nation, defending itself against an assimilationist empire. Ukraine is for all peoples of all races, not just Russians"
Wall Street Journal-a US mouthpiece btw
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-zelensky-president-jewish-babel-putin-war-11646786791Replies: @German_reader, @Svidomyatheart
Honestly I took it off /pol/ because its paywalled for me as well
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/366503247/why-are-russian-shills-so-afraid-of
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/366503247/why-are-russian-shills-so-afraid-ofReplies: @German_reader
I googled it and saw that thread, and someone there writes the quotes are fake. Can’t verify it, tbh they sound too good to be true. But of course the underlying sentiment isn’t that far-fetched (I mean, even during this fucking war Western media is running stories about how poor Africans are kept off trains by racist Ukrainians, threatened by racist Polish border guards etc. Even a war in Europe is apparently now supposed to be about BLM).
(also have to say I find AP's comments about conflict between Anglos/Germanics and Slavs fucking creepy...is that merely an attempt to show Karlin the error of his ways, or a genuinely held sentiment? Interesting what seems to be hiding in the minds of a lot of people, in my naivety it once didn't occur to me that people still thought like that. But ultimately these fantasies are pointless, since you're right that the future will belong more to the likes of Nigeria and Pakistan than the nations of anyone writing here. What a ridiculous end to the white man and his world.)Replies: @Yevardian, @Dmitry, @Svidomyatheart
Wasnt Schmitt, your own guy was one of the very first the very first to realize Anglos are a whole different civilization of their own? AP for once has a point.
Schmitt understood Anglos are different from rest of Europe, just like Russians are and Anglo empire never went away just changed capitals. Zemmour understands it as well.
I know its hard to accept being half Anglo, but guess what I have family members in Russia as well…I dont have any illusions about them.
Also never, ever listen to AP he has been wrong on everything from thinking the invasion will not happen, to thinking Russians are possible to be reasoned with, and to being a giant multiculti cuck thinking Catholicism will somehow save anything
edit: to your other response since I cant post more than 3 posts until 3 hours are up, will come back tomorrow
Well tbh apparently they simply reiterated it in polspeak You can listen to the article for free. Which I did. It essentially says it tbh but in more liberalspeak terms .
No, but large masses of them did participate in the revolution. Btw, there have been a couple of interesting documentaries in recent years on Russian TV about the Civil war and the revolution, and the leading narrative is that the blame for the negative outcomes lays with the Russian bourgeoisie and the liberal class that had connections with the West. It almost resonates a little with the disdain for the liberal Yeltsin years.
Anyway, my point regarding your comment about Putin was he doesn't need to be a Stalin for his actions to be unacceptable. The reason he is not more harsh is because he doesn't have support on the ground in Ukraine. I wasn't even talking about Romania or Poland. And btw it's starting to look like the actions of the Russian troops in the occupied parts are quite harsh -- there are reports of rape, marauding, murder. You said you cared about famine. Near Melitopol, there was a chicken farm where a million chickens died. Not only is this sad for the poor chickens, but this ecological calamity can even be used to "prove there are biolabs in Ukraine run by Pentagon" or what not. Both, my point was that it's easy to talk about how others should give up their land, if we were talking about yours it'd be very different. Americans would freak the hell out if they had to give up territory. Russia, too, look how dedicated Russia is to every little piece of their land, even the tiny Kurils. This is how it should be because if you give up land you invite more land to be taken from you. I thought these were basic laws of Nature that are obvious to everyone, it's baffling that some don't see why the Ukrainians wouldn't want to give up theirs. It's their ancestral homeland which they love. Statehood, sovereignty is what protects the individual. Without it a person is very vulnerable. A big part of this attack is purely about plunder. It looks like Russians are trying to steal the nuclear plant, factories, ports. Of course, not! This one I absolutely agree with. Both land AND young men are the best resource. Young men's energy is absolutely vital to this world (and even to some extent their innocent and open hearts and minds). Indeed, young men standing in defense of their ancestral land, as the young men of Ukraine are doing today, is a beautiful sight to behold. I wish, however, that they hadn't been dealt such a heavy burden.
And, yes, this is another resource Russia is trying to steal. Peeps. Toly openly admitted it.
It's just that Russia is not entitled to these men, they were created and grown by Ukraine. I don't even know anymore how to define a sphere of influence. The world is more free and open today, and more wealthy. You can't force people as easily. I mean, do you feel that you are under some sphere of influence? Because you can't criticize the woke everywhere you go? I wasn't talking about the oligarchs but the political and media elite. They are all still there, fighting, losing sleep. Even their athletes. It's uncanny and painful to watch. The Ukrainian politicians are important assets and they probably shouldn't stay there until their deaths. Although it is heroic and they are on their own land.
Btw, Poroshenko can sort of be considered an "oligarch". And he is still there, he has assembled the national guard around him, almost build his own little unit. It's really awesome, when he gives interviews, his men stand around him in a circle and look outwards. They look so bad ass. It's a myth that Zelensky is a "clown". He's a business man, a manager. He built his own studio. As to the skits he used to perform earlier... you may not know this, but there is a whole phenomenon of Russophone entertainment that is a little bit tacky. :) They do cross dressing and all sorts of goofy stuff, it's a culture called KVN (the so called "Club of the Hilarious & Witty ones"). It's stand up humor which is very popular and makes good money because it's a huge market. He was already affluent.
But to answer your question re: nationalists, no, the system is full of patriots, not nationalists. Nationalists are a smaller strata and they are also intermingled there. Avakov, for instance, can be considered a Russophone Ukrainian nationalist (a very strong man who should be president). And he's very much there. Ukraine is all he has. They are all there, and the two leading parties are no longer bickering, of course. There are literally MPs that are at war right now. It's heartbreaking. Of course, this is valid. Well, there is a lot of theory out there about trying to figure out this "baseline of violence" and when intervention can be considered. But in this case the West has to brainstorm about what to do and this may not be so much about the morality, but the contingencies on the ground, security considerations. I don't know how to calculate these risks, utu proposed something, I think he may be some kind of a quant and maybe tried to figure out the risks. The West must be pro-active, but also prudent, extremely careful. I would still not call this a "gentle invasion". If there is such a thing at all. I'm not averse to violence on principle. Especially if there is a jus ad bellum. I meant our tolerance for violence should be low to protect people, but, if needed, violence needs to be well prepared, swift and crushing to show the enemy he'll be punished if he proceeds. Ukrainians are on their ancestral land. Defending themselves. Violence is very necessary here. The weapons need to be supplied so that the Russian advance can be significantly slowed down and so that Ukraine can potentially prepare for a counter attack, if possible. Russian combatants are on the Ukrainian soil illegally as invaders and murderers. Russian soldiers signed all the papers and they had agency, if they were lied about the purpose of this mission that is something they need to figure out on their end, it's not the Ukrainians' problem. Once they're on Ukrainian soil, they are invaders and must be subjected to immediate destruction to protect the local population. This would be carried out in any state, including the US.
If you care about Russian soldiers, then you might want to know about Kadyrov's gangs of enforcers who are now apparently following Russian groups and shooting any deserters. This is confirming the worst stereotypes about the Russian military. It's actually quite shocking, I had a different impression about their recent development from browsing YouTube (I guess those must've been just ads). Many of them are surrendering. Replies: @songbird
There are mechanisms of power that are hidden.
If you consider the example of Ireland, it is such a small country. There is no way that wokeness could have sprung indigenously. It is simply too rural. There aren’t enough cities, or people in universities. Outside mechanisms of power were applied to Ireland, to make it woke. And this can be seen in things like funding for the abortion vote.
I feel quite strongly that, when I travel outside of America, I am in an American sphere. I see things that seem like an echo of America. Things that should not be.
IMO, chickens are horrible, cannibalistic monsters, with beady eyes. I once proposed a voting system here, where one needed to be willing to kill one, in order to have a valid vote.
Wish I could send Congress. I’d like to break this bad habit (as I see it) of perceptually getting involved in foreign conflicts.
Personally, I’d like to cede large parts of the US, starting with Puerto Rico. Though maybe it is not such a good idea, as the demographic gains would quickly evaporate, with the years.
Reminds me of what i heard happened to television in Spain after Franco. BTW, I appreciate your tasteful edit of my rude comment.
Heard about him. They say he’s the only one. Seems theatrical, from what I hear, but never saw him.
When people are shooting at you, you shoot back – I can appreciate that.
But there’s also the foreign policy dimension, when you are not a Ukrainian. If your side is supplying the weapons that are killing someone else’s sons, that will inevitably generate a great deal of ill will. Some will be made into walking freak shows that hurt the eyes to look upon. Others into legless ones. This has a cost that is hard to quantify, but it is not cheap and could potentially be pretty severe.
Last time the US did this, there were tangible bad feelings that lasted a long time. The quarters of the American astronauts training to be part of the Mir program were vandalized. I believe that was in 1995. The same year that Yeltsin, famous drunk (there’s a band called “Yeltin’s Liver” or something; he had a close intimate for a while that used to be called Yeltsin’s “right-hand glass”, instead of “right-hand man”, activated his nuclear suitcase, after a missile launch in Norway.
Yea, but in our case they would kill our sons anyway. They have communicated that over and over. Not at the official level, but informally or in the media. But I agree that it's not an ideal situation. Bashibuzuk's program would have been much much better (soft power with a few minor force moves), but it would be harder to bring into life. Well, it's the choice of Americans. Remember that doors open for Americans when they do certain things. The majority seem to agree but your position is understandable. I wish this wasn't happening.
The Russian soldiers knew where they were going. The Ukrainian soldiers were forced into this unjustly. And, btw, I know how bad it can be, I have been helping the wounded for a few years now on and off (I'm helping now as well), so I get to read about their situation. I also know that hardly anyone on the Russian side cares about these Ukrainian veterans.Replies: @songbird
If you consider the example of Ireland, it is such a small country. There is no way that wokeness could have sprung indigenously. It is simply too rural. There aren't enough cities, or people in universities. Outside mechanisms of power were applied to Ireland, to make it woke. And this can be seen in things like funding for the abortion vote.
I feel quite strongly that, when I travel outside of America, I am in an American sphere. I see things that seem like an echo of America. Things that should not be. IMO, chickens are horrible, cannibalistic monsters, with beady eyes. I once proposed a voting system here, where one needed to be willing to kill one, in order to have a valid vote. Wish I could send Congress. I'd like to break this bad habit (as I see it) of perceptually getting involved in foreign conflicts.
Personally, I'd like to cede large parts of the US, starting with Puerto Rico. Though maybe it is not such a good idea, as the demographic gains would quickly evaporate, with the years. Reminds me of what i heard happened to television in Spain after Franco. BTW, I appreciate your tasteful edit of my rude comment. Heard about him. They say he's the only one. Seems theatrical, from what I hear, but never saw him. When people are shooting at you, you shoot back - I can appreciate that.
But there's also the foreign policy dimension, when you are not a Ukrainian. If your side is supplying the weapons that are killing someone else's sons, that will inevitably generate a great deal of ill will. Some will be made into walking freak shows that hurt the eyes to look upon. Others into legless ones. This has a cost that is hard to quantify, but it is not cheap and could potentially be pretty severe.
Last time the US did this, there were tangible bad feelings that lasted a long time. The quarters of the American astronauts training to be part of the Mir program were vandalized. I believe that was in 1995. The same year that Yeltsin, famous drunk (there's a band called "Yeltin's Liver" or something; he had a close intimate for a while that used to be called Yeltsin's "right-hand glass", instead of "right-hand man", activated his nuclear suitcase, after a missile launch in Norway.Replies: @LatW
Well, it’s true, although we, my friends and I, learned English for aesthetic reasons and for reading, the economic benefits were just a side. It’s true that a certain culture is imbued via English, but we also have freedom. You don’t have to submit to certain narratives. During the real Soviet sphere of influence, freedom was more limited (also, language was taught very intensively, along with certain historical narratives, actually, my mom taught me to read Russian and then I had two other very good teachers, this is why it would be hard for Russia to maintain the Russian world without committing significant resources, they need to incentivize the locals to cooperate.
Yea, but in our case they would kill our sons anyway. They have communicated that over and over. Not at the official level, but informally or in the media. But I agree that it’s not an ideal situation. Bashibuzuk’s program would have been much much better (soft power with a few minor force moves), but it would be harder to bring into life.
Well, it’s the choice of Americans. Remember that doors open for Americans when they do certain things. The majority seem to agree but your position is understandable. I wish this wasn’t happening.
The Russian soldiers knew where they were going. The Ukrainian soldiers were forced into this unjustly. And, btw, I know how bad it can be, I have been helping the wounded for a few years now on and off (I’m helping now as well), so I get to read about their situation. I also know that hardly anyone on the Russian side cares about these Ukrainian veterans.
In my view, this is a bad thing, as it means that bad ideas can spread more easily. Not to mention, there are reasons to suspect that we are evolved to develop regional dialects or accents, for reasons of territory (birds also do this), and that it is helping to short-circuit the entire process. I think this is one of Russia's big strategic problems. It lost the war of cool and money with the US, and became lower status. And there doesn't seem to be an easy way around it, even in the Ukraine, which arguably may have had the closest economic integration with Russia, and even hurt itself by cutting itself off. Probably requires a certain demographic threshold to be reached. But such changes can happen quickly, as in Ireland. Eventually, I think you will need to submit to the same narratives, as are we required to in America.
It enters into schooling, the government, the legal and work environment, and there is practically no way around it, unless you are self-employed and very cagey about your thoughts, but even then you will be told to mark your race on things like the census. The taxes you pay are used to pay people who hate you, and to pay for more of them being imported.
You will hear the same narrative, no matter the field. At some point, it becomes ridiculous, and you start to wonder if they are all knowingly lying and waiting for it to collapse. But I don't think it is the same as communism. It's not a dry narrative, but one that certain people seem to get a buzz or hit from. Maybe, they understand that they are lying, but enjoy it. I probably would have gone for something like this, if I were Putin. RT's budget reached a peak of about $500 million/year - I would say drop the news almost entirely and make propaganda of Russians, Ukrainians and Belorussians working together. Should have gone pretty far in PPP. And the West may want to turn all these places gay, but I don't think that they are prepared to put in the effort to tailor the message, and make movies and TV that specifically appeal to them and star them. Do you think he will invade the Baltics? Wouldn't that be WW3? I don't think he is a mad dog.
https://citizenfreepress.com/column-2/putin-appears-with-klaus-schwab-at-global-wef-forum/
Is Putin acting under instruction of the WEF to escalate the post-COVID situation into nuclear war, so that what mal said will be realized?
As Bashibuzuk said, Putinism is a sham to justify deep pillage of the Russian state and a covert form of Globalism .
What social systems real conspiratorial thinkers suggest to be implemented after the whole conspiracy fall apart are either Libertarian (because NO MORE TOP-DOWN CONTROL) or TradCon (NO MORE TOP-DOWN MODERNISM). But then these don't require the level of myth-making conspiratorial thinkers tend to engage in to be justified.
Our Benevolent Overlord certainly stays away from some ghastly dark areas, or else his whole worldview collapses.
Lol. Yeah, this’ll be interesting.
TBH I now see the WEF as what it is – a forum for and by Globalists to work out their agendas, that they often sincerely believe into (other than entrenching their own power), and sometime used to propagate actual conspiracies like the COVID agenda (it’s mostly gone by and the worst fears weren’t realized, btw) or maybe the war in Ukraine. No one can tell who does what other than the real big nuts. Basically an above-water version of the Freemasonry, without the symbolism.
What social systems real conspiratorial thinkers suggest to be implemented after the whole conspiracy fall apart are either Libertarian (because NO MORE TOP-DOWN CONTROL) or TradCon (NO MORE TOP-DOWN MODERNISM). But then these don’t require the level of myth-making conspiratorial thinkers tend to engage in to be justified.
Schmitt understood Anglos are different from rest of Europe, just like Russians are and Anglo empire never went away just changed capitals. Zemmour understands it as well.I know its hard to accept being half Anglo, but guess what I have family members in Russia as well...I dont have any illusions about them.Also never, ever listen to AP he has been wrong on everything from thinking the invasion will not happen, to thinking Russians are possible to be reasoned with, and to being a giant multiculti cuck thinking Catholicism will somehow save anything
edit: to your other response since I cant post more than 3 posts until 3 hours are up, will come back tomorrowWell tbh apparently they simply reiterated it in polspeak You can listen to the article for free. Which I did. It essentially says it tbh but in more liberalspeak terms .Replies: @Coconuts
There seems is some irony in talking about England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Canada and the United States as if they constituted a single nation, and the British Empire and the US as if it constituted a single entity, but about Ukraine and Russia as if they are completely different things.
In that sense 5 eyes are a single entity and are in a lockstep. It is precisely why you are able to own more than half of the world (or 3/4th) because of cooperation between all 5.
Id like to see any Anglo country try to leave NATO for whatever reason..are you sure you would be able to?
That seems to be close to the views of a certain kind of British “conservative” though (people like Andrew Roberts or Daniel Hannan with all their talk about the “Anglosphere”), so it’s not mere projection by foreigners. imo it’s probably a pernicious view since it facilitates the spread of America’s cultural toxins into Britain, but if anything it seems to be increasing due to the internet and other changes in the media (e. g. I get the impression the online sites of British newspapers like the Daily Mail and the Guardian are now in part catering to a US audience).
Anami stops the coup and ordered young officers to obey the Emperor. He then went home and committed seppuku. Leaving the note-- *神州 (c: shénzhōu, j: shinshū) Deital Land is a poetic term used to refer to Japan. It’s borrowed from hanzi and used also to refer to China.
This is called talking the talk and walking the walk. You are of military age, if you believe in your cause you should enlist and go fight in the front.
I've respected and supported you before in so far as ideas and blogger. You've gone too far.Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
The Russian Army doesn’t need and isn’t accepting new recruits. The special military operation is fought by the 0.2% subset of the Russian population that wants to be there, is paid well above average salaries to be there, and has spent years training for such scenarios. It is the Ukrainians who are fighting like sovoks, press-ganging men off the streets.
I couldn’t care less for your respect and support, so kindly shove them along with your lectures back where they came from.
Polish saying: If you have a good heart you must have a hard ass
Moments of illusions pass quickly. No one can help Poland. No one cares about Łowicz, Lublin or Kalisz …
Poles MUST ALWAYS count ONLY ON THEMSELVES …
However, looking at the inner deep division, at “myself”
Poland cannot count either.
GERMANY and all the rest are not helping Ukraine, because as a rule, according to “EU values”, they are FOR KILLING CHILDREN.
And it is precisely for NOT killing children in Poland, i.e. for “violating EU values” that the EU authorities impose on 🇵🇱 further sanctions
The death of a child does not impress EU leftists …
https://www.gov.pl/web/norge/intervention-of-the-embassy-of-the-republic-of-poland-in-norwegian-medias-regarding-articles-on-alleged-racist-behaviors-towards-refugees-from-ukraine
Lots of Americans post stuff from the Daily Mail on social media.
They belong to the same “civilizational space” but are not one country.
Ukraine speaks a different language than Russia (at least about half of it does) and it belongs to the same “civilizational space” as Poland no less than with Russia, if not more so. Russians are Eurasians, Ukrainians Eastern Europeans.
The real threat to Taiwan’s long-term security isn’t military, but political.
Internally, the ending of conscription is just the tip of the iceberg. For reasons rooted both in Taiwan’s Cold War history relevant to the current generation in charge, and Taiwan’s contemporary fractious politics, civilian-military relations are poor to the point that many Taiwanese politicians just ignore their own military chiefs. The result is a complete lack of coherence in strategy. For this and other reasons-problems with funding, mismanagement of conscription, logistics failures-there’s a severe morale issue for the Taiwanese populace right now, civilians and soldiers alike. These problems are not unknown in Taiwan, but they are politically difficult to address and implement.
(It should go without saying that the CCP, which stakes its entire legitimacy on claims of Chinese nationhood that *demand* Taiwan eventually, one way or another, be “united” with the motherland does not struggle with a lack of political-military cohesion or funding. As for the civilians at home: yes, an amphibious invasion is going to be difficult, but provided that they don’t set off a broader conflict they can’t win, the PRC isn’t going to struggle with support for the war. Even with-or maybe even because-of the casualties incurred. This is not simply due to repression, contra what the State Department or CNN would like to imagine. The only thing that’ll deter the PRC is the threat of a wider war. The prospect of simply taking a lot of casualties isn’t going to do it. And Beijing knows that the “economic integration” road is no longer feasible: certainly not after what happened in Hong Kong, but even before then, it was losing its feasibility.)
Zelensky was able to grab the attention of the world before Putin could give him a fait accompli and the world could take the time to care enough. That would have been impossible had his population not rallied to an extent that surprised external observers. It’s difficult to see something similar happening in Taiwan right now, even if the island is far better positioned for a defensive war.
Yea, but in our case they would kill our sons anyway. They have communicated that over and over. Not at the official level, but informally or in the media. But I agree that it's not an ideal situation. Bashibuzuk's program would have been much much better (soft power with a few minor force moves), but it would be harder to bring into life. Well, it's the choice of Americans. Remember that doors open for Americans when they do certain things. The majority seem to agree but your position is understandable. I wish this wasn't happening.
The Russian soldiers knew where they were going. The Ukrainian soldiers were forced into this unjustly. And, btw, I know how bad it can be, I have been helping the wounded for a few years now on and off (I'm helping now as well), so I get to read about their situation. I also know that hardly anyone on the Russian side cares about these Ukrainian veterans.Replies: @songbird
Of course, it is not all in the American sphere (ex: China), but there are 142 countries where English as a secondary language education seems to be mandatory, including Latvia and Hungary. Apparently, there is also a recent movement to make it mandatory in the Ukraine.
In my view, this is a bad thing, as it means that bad ideas can spread more easily. Not to mention, there are reasons to suspect that we are evolved to develop regional dialects or accents, for reasons of territory (birds also do this), and that it is helping to short-circuit the entire process.
I think this is one of Russia’s big strategic problems. It lost the war of cool and money with the US, and became lower status. And there doesn’t seem to be an easy way around it, even in the Ukraine, which arguably may have had the closest economic integration with Russia, and even hurt itself by cutting itself off.
Probably requires a certain demographic threshold to be reached. But such changes can happen quickly, as in Ireland. Eventually, I think you will need to submit to the same narratives, as are we required to in America.
It enters into schooling, the government, the legal and work environment, and there is practically no way around it, unless you are self-employed and very cagey about your thoughts, but even then you will be told to mark your race on things like the census. The taxes you pay are used to pay people who hate you, and to pay for more of them being imported.
You will hear the same narrative, no matter the field. At some point, it becomes ridiculous, and you start to wonder if they are all knowingly lying and waiting for it to collapse. But I don’t think it is the same as communism. It’s not a dry narrative, but one that certain people seem to get a buzz or hit from. Maybe, they understand that they are lying, but enjoy it.
I probably would have gone for something like this, if I were Putin. RT’s budget reached a peak of about $500 million/year – I would say drop the news almost entirely and make propaganda of Russians, Ukrainians and Belorussians working together. Should have gone pretty far in PPP. And the West may want to turn all these places gay, but I don’t think that they are prepared to put in the effort to tailor the message, and make movies and TV that specifically appeal to them and star them.
Do you think he will invade the Baltics? Wouldn’t that be WW3? I don’t think he is a mad dog.
Of course he did. He probably wasn’t some lone sadist. Didn’t Homer’s Odysseus casually mention looting and sacking and mass murdering during the beginning of his tale to the Phaecians like it was nothing?
He was not alone among Crusaders, nor would have his Muslim counterparts have been that different. Sack, loot, rape, and kill was just standard military procedure for most of human history the world-over. Especially when the enemy was “alien”. Soldiers looked forward to this. Most weren’t psychopaths. They didn’t need to be. Once the mob starts, once the match is lit, people do stuff that shocks even them afterwards if they were pre-programmed with social rules forbidding this.
We’re not as removed from this as we’d like to imagine. How Protestants and Catholics viewed each other in Thirty Year’s War-era Germany or how the various parties of mid-19th Century China viewed each other isn’t that different from the Sunni/Shi’ite communal violence of 2000s seen in places like Iraq. Just under pre-modern conditions with no external limits.
(Also, people who eulogize the classical or medieval worlds tend not to understand how nasty life was for those without power: or just how much the morality scale has changed over the last few centuries. You wanted to buy an 8, 9 year old slave girl or boy for sex in Republican Rome? There was no reason you couldn’t. If you were willing to up that by 5 years, you wouldn’t even need to do it discreetly. The modern world has seen plenty of truly dark, horrific stuff, but most sane people understand that… well, it’s wrong?)
Moments of illusions pass quickly. No one can help Poland. No one cares about Łowicz, Lublin or Kalisz ...
Poles MUST ALWAYS count ONLY ON THEMSELVES ...
However, looking at the inner deep division, at "myself"
Poland cannot count either.
GERMANY and all the rest are not helping Ukraine, because as a rule, according to "EU values", they are FOR KILLING CHILDREN.
And it is precisely for NOT killing children in Poland, i.e. for "violating EU values" that the EU authorities impose on 🇵🇱 further sanctions
The death of a child does not impress EU leftists ...
https://twitter.com/JSaryuszWolski/status/1502032075679047684?cxt=HHwWiIC9gd-NpdgpAAAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vknsjxGnrTk&t=20s
https://www.gov.pl/web/norge/intervention-of-the-embassy-of-the-republic-of-poland-in-norwegian-medias-regarding-articles-on-alleged-racist-behaviors-towards-refugees-from-ukraineReplies: @Mr. Hack
What’s your point??
He is talking about Carl Schmitt though, so this is about the 1930s, 40s, I guess through to the present day, but it obviously isn’t limited to the ideas of people like Daniel Hannan.
It is not clear it is meant in that way, because it refers to some sort of unified political activity and policies and that the Anglo civilisational space has a single capital, and has done since the 1930s. The most you could probably say about this is that during the period 1920-2022 the Anglo- space has been against the formation of a federal pan-European political entity.
Normally, Sanders' wins in the first three races would have made him unstoppable, but since the Democratic establishment and its MSM allies didn't like him, they said otherwise, and since the MSM creates reality, especially among Democrats, that was decisive. There was also all sorts of quasi-cheating in Iowa to suppress Sanders' numbers. The political dynamics is that the Democratic Party elites are mostly Neolibs/Neocons, while rank-and-file Democrats are overwhelmingly opposed to those ideological positions. So the elites need to use all sorts of tricks to stay in control, made easier by their control of the MSM.
Unlike other groups, blacks tend to focus mostly on racial issues, and partly for that reason they're easier for the Democratic elites to manipulate. Black leaders are also generally easier to buy off. Given Biden's track record, there was no logical reason for blacks to support him, but the elites decided he was their best shot at stopping Sanders, so they got several black leaders to endorse him, and the black voters overwhelmingly went along with it.
I can't think of a single time when blacks have gotten their way in the Democratic Party on an issue the elites opposed and cared about. They mostly use blacks and black issues as a camouflage and a distraction, much like all the corporate CEOs support "woke" issues.
So its mostly the Democratic elites vs. the Democratic base, with the blacks used as cannon-fodder by the former.Replies: @Justvisiting, @A123, @Twinkie
Sure, the first in the nation caucus and primary are very important and often set the tone for the race, but South Carolina is not unimportant, especially when considered in the context of the next major block of primaries a few days later that include not just California and Texas, but such southern states as Alabama, Arkansas, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia where black voters form large blocs in the Democratic primaries.
Being the loyal lieutenant of America’s first black president?
Audacious Epigone ran a series of article on whites/Hispanics vs. blacks in the Democratic primaries, including this one: https://www.unz.com/anepigone/the-blackspire-strikes-back/
In 2006, Hillary Clinton was the definitive left establishment/elite candidate, but Obama upended her in the Democratic Primary. In 2020, Sanders was strongly supported (early) by white liberals and Hispanics in the Democratic Party, but Biden – as the aforementioned loyal Obama lieutenant – was able to harness the black vote and beat the candidate of choice of the former groups (even while dropping California to Sanders):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#Major_candidates
Although blacks sometimes manage to break through despite establishment opposition in particular state or local races, I don't think it's ever happened on the national level.
Well unlike you guys we’re precisely TRYING to get away from Russians.
In that sense 5 eyes are a single entity and are in a lockstep. It is precisely why you are able to own more than half of the world (or 3/4th) because of cooperation between all 5.
Id like to see any Anglo country try to leave NATO for whatever reason..are you sure you would be able to?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_War
The comparison is to the Iraqi military's decision to mostly avoid contesting the US military's entry into the country. Its decision to mount an insurgency was wise, given the US tendency to avoid taking the traditional and brutal, but effective, measures to crush insurgencies via large scale exile (e.g. Siberia) or massacre. Whereas the Russians are certainly not averse to such measures, killing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians during an earlier insurgency just after WWII.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army#End_of_UPA_resistance
Bottom line is that it's unclear a Ukrainian insurgency could survive Russian atrocities, which is why its conventional force may need to win outright.Replies: @Twinkie
Russians of 2022 are not the Russians of 1945. Indeed, today’s world is not the world of 1945.
With the proliferation of smart phones and other items of mass-communication technology, it is virtually impossible today to hide large-scale atrocities from widespread dissemination in the wider world and the following condemnation and political effects.
Look at the amount of genuine outrage Russia’s military actions are creating in the world, including, of course, in Ukraine even though I suspect the worst has yet to come (e.g. large-scale urban fighting, let alone a sustained insurgency). Napoleon is said to have uttered that “the moral is to the physical as three is to one” (though he also clearly believed in the bigger battalions or, should I say, bigger artillery batteries). I suspect this was why Martin van Creveld said that in the post-modern world, “when the strong and the weak fight in a long war, the strong loses.”
An example of this, perhaps the one with which I am most familiar, is the 2009 Sri Lankan offensive in the Vanni region, which involved civilian deaths in the tens of thousands, from "collateral damage" as well as from deliberate shelling of so-called "no-fire zones" set aside for civilian evacuation, as well as a number of more personal acts of murder, rape/murder, and so on, of which there is ample video, photographic, and documentary evidence. In 2009 cell phones were already extremely common and supplied much of the video and photo evidence I mentioned.
As far as I know very few people outside the region have ever even heard of this (though the British public media Channel Four did make a documentary on it); most Sinhalese seem to tend to justify it by mentioning LTTE atrocities, which of course were also committed. As far as I know, it is extremely unlikely that anyone involved will ever face any negative consequences.
Of course, this is an extremely different situation than that faced by Russia in Ukraine, where the attention of the media world is so focused that pretty much any crime committed by Russian soldiers will immediately be world news.Replies: @Twinkie
Sure, that’s a reasonable point. But although Hillary was certainly the primary establishment candidate, Obama was backed by important elements of the establishment as well, including much of the MSM. So I’d regard the 2008 contest more as a battle between different factions of the Democratic establishment, with blacks mobilized by the otherwise weaker Obama faction to achieve an upset victory.
Although blacks sometimes manage to break through despite establishment opposition in particular state or local races, I don’t think it’s ever happened on the national level.
With the proliferation of smart phones and other items of mass-communication technology, it is virtually impossible today to hide large-scale atrocities from widespread dissemination in the wider world and the following condemnation and political effects.
Look at the amount of genuine outrage Russia's military actions are creating in the world, including, of course, in Ukraine even though I suspect the worst has yet to come (e.g. large-scale urban fighting, let alone a sustained insurgency). Napoleon is said to have uttered that "the moral is to the physical as three is to one" (though he also clearly believed in the bigger battalions or, should I say, bigger artillery batteries). I suspect this was why Martin van Creveld said that in the post-modern world, "when the strong and the weak fight in a long war, the strong loses."Replies: @RSDB, @Veteran of the Memic Wars
You can get away with quite a lot, if you are not the focus of interest of great powers.
An example of this, perhaps the one with which I am most familiar, is the 2009 Sri Lankan offensive in the Vanni region, which involved civilian deaths in the tens of thousands, from “collateral damage” as well as from deliberate shelling of so-called “no-fire zones” set aside for civilian evacuation, as well as a number of more personal acts of murder, rape/murder, and so on, of which there is ample video, photographic, and documentary evidence. In 2009 cell phones were already extremely common and supplied much of the video and photo evidence I mentioned.
As far as I know very few people outside the region have ever even heard of this (though the British public media Channel Four did make a documentary on it); most Sinhalese seem to tend to justify it by mentioning LTTE atrocities, which of course were also committed. As far as I know, it is extremely unlikely that anyone involved will ever face any negative consequences.
Of course, this is an extremely different situation than that faced by Russia in Ukraine, where the attention of the media world is so focused that pretty much any crime committed by Russian soldiers will immediately be world news.
An example of this, perhaps the one with which I am most familiar, is the 2009 Sri Lankan offensive in the Vanni region, which involved civilian deaths in the tens of thousands, from "collateral damage" as well as from deliberate shelling of so-called "no-fire zones" set aside for civilian evacuation, as well as a number of more personal acts of murder, rape/murder, and so on, of which there is ample video, photographic, and documentary evidence. In 2009 cell phones were already extremely common and supplied much of the video and photo evidence I mentioned.
As far as I know very few people outside the region have ever even heard of this (though the British public media Channel Four did make a documentary on it); most Sinhalese seem to tend to justify it by mentioning LTTE atrocities, which of course were also committed. As far as I know, it is extremely unlikely that anyone involved will ever face any negative consequences.
Of course, this is an extremely different situation than that faced by Russia in Ukraine, where the attention of the media world is so focused that pretty much any crime committed by Russian soldiers will immediately be world news.Replies: @Twinkie
Yes. That’s a good caveat.
Russia can expect to be blamed for many more heart-breaking scenes such as this if the conflict became prolonged:
Again, per van Creveld, when the strong fights the weak in a long war, the strong loses.
What is it with people who have chosen to leave Russia...but then go off on tangents about leveling entire cities for the sake of the "Russian world" (because nothing guarantees unity like "I'll kill you if you don't want to be my brother")?
Is this some way of coping with the psychological stress of exile?Replies: @Veteran of the Memic Wars
Your argument is anti-semitic.
Russia has already won; USkraine now understands that Russia really will wreck Ukraine before allowing it become a US satrapy. Their threats of wrecking Ukraine next time will be laughed off by no one (except lizard people like Max Boot).
The question now is, how much success will she achieve in the perception war? It’s best to dissuade US from trying to fight a subsequent war to the last Ukrainian, for the Ukrainians’ sake. It’s a weird kind of war, with more to do with the depths of western audience gullibility and length of their time horizons than any rational or quantifiable metric. On the plus side, those time horizons are very short. Every week is like a year to the typical Ameritard media consumer. They will tire quickly.
Western media goes on and on about how Russia won’t be able to hold Ukraine – so what? Russia has wrecked Ukraine, and that’s all she needed to do. Sure, the West can make a big show of funding Ukraine’s reconstruction – again, so what? Demolition is far less expensive than construction.
With the proliferation of smart phones and other items of mass-communication technology, it is virtually impossible today to hide large-scale atrocities from widespread dissemination in the wider world and the following condemnation and political effects.
Look at the amount of genuine outrage Russia's military actions are creating in the world, including, of course, in Ukraine even though I suspect the worst has yet to come (e.g. large-scale urban fighting, let alone a sustained insurgency). Napoleon is said to have uttered that "the moral is to the physical as three is to one" (though he also clearly believed in the bigger battalions or, should I say, bigger artillery batteries). I suspect this was why Martin van Creveld said that in the post-modern world, "when the strong and the weak fight in a long war, the strong loses."Replies: @RSDB, @Veteran of the Memic Wars
The outrage is a mile wide, and an inch deep. The herd will forget as soon as the curtain opens on a new set. That’s because it’s all mass-media-generated horseshit.
There would be “genuine” outrage over US actions in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc., over Israeli actions in Palestine, over Saudi actions in Yemen, except…no mass-media-generated horseshit.
There’s slaughter going on all over the world, and none of these cud-chewing idiots cares, because the western mass media machine isn’t turning it into 24/7 infotainment.
It’s all a storm in an Anglophone teacup. Signifying nothing.
“Genuine”: you’re a genuine tool.
For a moment yesterday I was worried that the US might pull off its goal of regime change in Russia.
Then I came to my senses and remembered those idiots haven’t succeeded at any of their goals in the last fifty years. Except wrecking places like Iraq and Afghanistan, the way Russia is wrecking Ukraine right now. At least the Russians chose a sensible target – wrecking a civilized country leaves a lasting impression. What does wrecking a place like Iraq achieve? Oh yeah, now I remember – giving it over it Iran.
US just announced 800m more “aid” to Ukraine, in the form of armaments. Javelins, Stingers, drones, etc.; a nice little shot in the arm for the US arms industry. “Let’s you and him fight so I can make money
sellinggiving youkitaid.” It’d be funny, if it weren’t so disgusting.I know I’m coming to this discussion late, but I wanted to add what I think are some important points to the very good back-and-forth between you and Ron.
Barack Obama started off his presidential campaign as an inexperienced challenger to Hillary, but he was not an outsider in the same sense that, say, Bernie Sanders or Jimmy Carter or Barry Goldwater were outsiders to the party when they ran for their party’s presidential nominations. Here is the evidence that Obama’s candidacy was supported by a wide segment of the party’s elites:
Key Establishment Support: Obama would not have run for president against Hillary if many important elements of the Democratic Party establishment had not encouraged him to run. Originally, Obama thought – correctly, in my opinion – that he was too new to the Washington scene and too inexperienced to mount a serious presidential bid. But both major politicians and major financial donors to the party, who were unhappy with the Clintons, encouraged him to run.
Harry Reid says he encouraged Obama to run for president as early as 2006. Reid knew Hillary was running and the early frontrunner in the polling, but he did not care. Reid did not actually publicly endorse Obama’s bid until after he essentially won the race, preferring to appear neutral in a contest between two fellow senators from his party, but Senators Ted Kennedy and Claire McCaskill endorsed Obama over Hillary, as did Virginia Governor Tim Kaine.
Hillary had more endorsements but Obama had enough key endorsements and background support to not be an outsider.
Key Financial Support: Obama broke records in early 2007 for money raised by a Democratic presidential candidate. Here’s an example: Obama Wins the Money Race from July 1st, 2007 – more than six months before the first primary!
Obama’s impressive money haul was in part due to his many more individual contributors than contributed to Hillary, but also because several major Democratic Party donors decided to favor Obama over Hillary, including Hollywood moguls Steven Spielberg, David Geffen and Jeffrey Katzenberg, all of whom had been highly critical of both Hillary’s politics and her character. Geffen, in particular, said that the Clintons lie “with such ease that it’s troubling.” (They later made up with the Clintons before the 2016 race.)
Obama Starts off the Campaign Season by Winning One White State and Being Competitive in Another: Obama’s win in the Iowa Caucus to start off the primary season was an earthquake. It was similar to what happened in 1960 when JFK beat Hubert Humphrey in Protestant West Virginia. In both cases, it proved that the man’s identity would not be an irreparable handicap to winning.
Obama followed up that victory in Iowa with a competitive second-place showing in New Hampshire. At the time it was a disappointment to the Obama campaign, because they were hoping to finish off Hillary early, but in retrospect it showed that Obama could win white votes even against such a tough opponent. He actually tied Hillary in the number of delegates awarded to each candidate that night.
Both Iowa and New Hampshire were states with over 90% whites. It was an important psychological hurdle for Obama to show he could win over white Democrats, that there was not significant residual racism among them when they went into the voting booths.
Obama Wins Nearly All the Caucus States: The only caucus state Obama lost in 2008 was in Nevada. (He also lost American Samoa.) He won Iowa, Alaska, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, Nebraska, (U.S. Virgin Islands), Washington, Maine, Hawaii, and Wyoming. Obama also won Texas’s caucus that is held at the same time as Texas’s primary, which Obama lost.
The primaries, by contrast, were more of a mixed bag for Obama. Hillary won 19 primary states, while Obama won only 15 and half of those were in the south.
Why is this important? Because caucus voters generally identify more strongly with the party than do primary voters. The voting pools are smaller and more cohesive than in primaries. The caucuses are often organized by local party bigwigs, making them a part of the party establishment. The better organized candidate frequently wins them as a result.
What Obama’s incredibly strong advantage among caucus voters showed is that the Democratic party establishment that year favored him over Hillary by the time the votes were cast.
When Hillary could directly appeal to Democratic voters in a more traditional forum, that of the primary, she often won. Indeed, she won nearly all of the major state primaries that year – California, Texas, Florida, Michigan (where she ran with Obama off the ballot), New Jersey, Massachusetts (despite Senators Kerry and Kennedy’s endorsement of Obama), New York, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.
The largest primary Hillary lost was in Illinois, Obama’s home state. The next largest were Virginia and Georgia, two southern states.
Those caucus victories were critical to Obama winning the nomination that year. There is some evidence, and some people argued at the time, that had all the states had primaries instead of caucuses, Hillary would’ve won the nomination.
Neither Poland by itself or even some kind of schizo Intermarium (as if those peoples would ever get along organically) does not have the weight to be its own civilizational pole, nor do they have the will to be one, running a little clerical Shire that barks at Russia from under the American nuclear umbrella is the limit of Polish ambitions.
Russia does (just about) have the demographic, economic, and ideological weight to be its own world-civilization complete with segregated noosphere and space program. In time, many Ukrainians will serve it loyally.
https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1502769638177972231
Does this maek u mad?Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ
Intermarium can’t be its own separate civilizational pole but can play a similar role within the EU to the role that the Southern US plays in the US. Except Intermarium doesn’t have a huge dysfunctional population like the Southern US has with its (ghetto) blacks.
The EU is much more impressive as a separate civilizational pole than Russia is. The EU has three times more people and something like 20 times more Nature Index production. If Ukrainians want greater economies of scale, the EU is a much better bet for them than Russia is. And the EU is attractive enough for them that it doesn’t have to try conquering them by force; Ukrainians eagerly want to sign up voluntarily for the EU project!