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November 2024

Moved to WP:ANI § Ram112313 promoting Bochasanwasi Akshar Purushottam Swaminarayan Sanstha

Re my marking AIV report as content dispute

Thanks for the thanks on Special:Diff/1259786355. I was not doing a deep inspection of what was going on, so I didn’t see or address the edit war. When reviewing AIV reports, should I be making a longer review of the underlying issues? Or is a quick response like the one I gave sufficient? — rsjaffe 🗣️ 03:09, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[courtesy pings to Remsense and KrakatoaKatie; courtesy notification sent to 79.103.186.102.]

Hi Rsjaffe, I think the most important thing was not to block the IP address for vandalism in this case.

Whether your decline comes as a quick response, as a removal of the report perhaps with an edit summary pinging the reporter, or even time investment beyond this is probably not as important as the decline itself, which can be a tough decision. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 03:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will add that the content dispute that I was rash in reporting has been resolved amicably. Remsense ‥ 论 03:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, and thanks for resolving this! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 03:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rsjaffe, now that I think about it, I should add: You'll probably see me taking action where you wouldn't have; I think we met on a few users' talk pages in this way already. You warning, me blocking. That's okay, at least to me; I do this when I think the probability of anyone using the same IP address productively is lower than the probability of more disruption. An IPv4 address that has been used for editing Wikipedia for the first time after its over 20 years of existence, and only disruptively, or most IPv6 addresses, can probably be blocked with little hesitation in response to clear vandalism, for example. Vandalism is intentional; real vandals don't need to be informed that their actions are destructive. They sometimes stop when they see that their actions have no lasting effect on the encyclopedia but possibly on their ability to edit. However, the probability of them becoming a constructive contributor and the block preventing really helpful encyclopedic contributions during the next weeks is close to 0, and the probability of them returning for more sophisticated vandalism circumventing filters a few days later has been proven in front of my eyes to exist again and again, sometimes after 36-hour blocks. I ended up blocking vandals for two weeks by default, but that's just a personal habit rather than general advice. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 04:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll agree with that. It's really good that you didn't block for vandalism. I've worked AIV for, gosh, almost 20 years, and I'd estimate 15-20% of reports aren't vandalism. A lot of that 15-20% is IDONTLIKEIT. With experience, you'll see the real vandals quicker and block them faster, and likewise recognize the edit wars and content disputes. I also block IP vandals longer than some others, depending on the geolocation; I'll start with 36 or even 60 hours, then go to at least one week. And don't be shy about blocking schools. I also like pending changes more than some other admins, because I get this picture in my head of a guy sitting in his underwear in his mother's basement drinking Diet Coke and bingeing Squid Game while screaming "WHERE IZ MY VANDALIZMS CURSE YOU WIKIPEDIA". Katie^talk 16:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User to keep an eye on

Hey I came across this edit reverted, and warned the user. I don't think it's ANI level yet, since that's their only mainspace edit, but I think they should be on an admin's radar. TornadoLGS (talk) 04:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi TornadoLGS, thank you very much for the notification. I'll watchlist their talk page so all of their possible future contributions are on my radar. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(In the future, do feel free to report racist vandalism at WP:AIV or WP:ANI.) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I thought it would be good to watch this one. I usually wait until a registered used vandalizes twice before reporting at AIV or repeated disruption for ANI. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]