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North Macedonia

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Different COA

Instead of the current modern COA would File:Coat of arms Macedonia ancient.svg work better. The Quill (talk) 17:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That could work, or just use the Sun of Vergina, to reflect the whole history of the country/region. Gryffindor (talk) 11:00, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The sun of Vergina is a copyrighted Pan-Hellenic national cultural symbol of Greece and represents the culture and history of Greece used by all cities and states of Greece representing Helios the Greek Sun God. The Argead Dynasty of the ancient Greeks from Argos who founded the Macedonian Royal house also used it for their Dynasty. It is not a representative of a wider administrative unit while under foreign occupation and it does not represent the newly founded Republic of the Former Yugoslavia in any way, as per the interim accord signed by the government of the newly founded Slavic country. This template is clearly not representative of Greece but of the Slavic country and thus use of this Greek cultural trademark for the template is inappropriate. Vergiotisa (talk) 14:21, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly this is seen as a symbol of the whole of Macedonia, see here Vergina_Sun#Republic_of_Macedonia. Gryffindor (talk) 20:45, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Entries to section redirects

About these [1] edits: for reasons of reader friendliness / ergnonomics, navboxes should not contain links that are mere section redirects, when the full target article already has its separate entry in the navbox. If a reader is on the page History of the Republic of Macedonia and sees a link to "Ancient history" in the navbox, they will naturally expect to be taken to a separate article with more information. If they click on that link and find themselves back on the same page, only some paragraphs down (where they can't even see the page title to verify they are still on the same page), it will be highly confusing to them.

That said, Mactruth, if you see somebody has objections against your edits and you don't understand those objections, it is your task to initiate a discussion on talk, rather than mechanically edit-war your version back in. You are back to your old disruptive habits, and probably will have to be sanctioned again soon if you don't mend your ways. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:45, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How are my recent edits wrong? All I did was add Krusevo Republic and remove Ohrid Agreement. Krusevo Republic was a government precursor to Macedonia, and Ohrid Agreement is within the article 2001 insurgency in Republic of Macedonia. And honestly Future, how about you become unbiased for once? You've already been punished for your actions in the past, using select sources to make Macedonians look bad while dis-allowing other sources shows what is going on here. Mactruth (talk) 02:43, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And honestly, how am I supposed to contribute the Macedonian side of the story when every source used by Macedonians on wikipedia, biased AND unbiased, are removed by Bulgarians and Greeks. Maybe you should do your job and make sure those sources aren't removed for the wrong reasons. But you don't do you? Mactruth (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pathetic. Stop whining, start discussing actual edits. What on earth has your rant here to do with the point I made above? Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:23, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Pathetic. Stop whining" is not constructive neither in debate nor discussion. It is simply your negative attitude towards Macedonians showing through. My "rant", as you may call it, is about allowing Bulgarian and Greek sources to make up most of Macedonia related articles. On top of that you don't ensure Macedonian sources are used in MACEDONIAN articles, so how am I supposed to discuss edits when their is an AGENDA on Wikipedia? Do your job instead of judging. Mactruth (talk) 22:05, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And of course that Ohrid Agreement shouldn't be removed. It has it's own article and of course it's part of the history of the country. Greetings Tomica1111 (talk) 1111tomica

Shouldn't you put link to the region Macedonia in the section Other? It is very important fact, the country Macedonia is part of the history of the region Macedonia.--MacedonianBoy (talk) 23:07, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

PS: And Paeonia as well, since it overlaps Macedonian's territory.--MacedonianBoy (talk) 23:09, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Paeonia, Ancient Macedonia, Bulgaria, Rome, Byzantine and Illyria also overlaps Macedonian territory at some point, so there's no point in adding Paeonia. Mactruth (talk) 22:06, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Pathetic. Stop whining" is not constructive neither in debate nor discussion. It is simply your negative attitude towards Macedonians showing through. My "rant", as you may call it, is about allowing Bulgarian and Greek sources to make up most of Macedonia related articles, without contest. On top of that you don't ensure Macedonian or neutral sources that are "pro-Macedonian" (as Bulgarians and Greeks call it) are used in MACEDONIAN articles, so how am I supposed to discuss edits when their is an AGENDA on Wikipedia? Do your job instead of judging, when you consistently question Macedonian edits while ignoring Bulgarian and Greek edits what are we supposed to think? It doesn't help that you are obviously "PhilHellene" as your profile demonstrates. Mactruth (talk) 22:05, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Job? And I'd better not endeavour on what "Phi-Helene" should mean. --Laveol ^T 22:13, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My comments are not directed to you and as such your comments will not be answered. Mactruth (talk) 22:16, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We need to clarify the question, and to reach a consensus, what part of the history of the area of present -day Republic of Macedonia, which gained independence in 1991 for the first time, to be included in this template. Paeonia, Macedon, Dardania, Roman and Byzantine Empires, Bulgarian and Serbian Empires also overlaped Republic Macedonia's territory at some point of the history. Jingiby (talk) 15:55, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My suggestion. Jingiby (talk) 07:41, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any objections to replace the current template with the last proposal. Jingiby (talk) 08:12, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I updated your example to use plainlist, but I am wondering if all the parenthetical sublists make it a bit harder to read. Frietjes (talk) 18:36, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the presentations of the Ottoman and Yugoslav eras are rather ethnocentric.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 01:18, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 11 April 2017

This edit request to Template:History of Macedonia has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

I would like to make a request that the template name is reverted back to "Republic of Macedonia" from the recently changed name "History of Macedonia" as this template is clearly about the Newly founded Slavic country and not about the ancient kingdom or modern province of Macedonia, in Greece. As the Wikipedia naming convention clearly states, "If there is an issue with disambiguation, the country will be referred to as "Republic of Macedonia" ". There is clearly an issue with disambiguation.

I would also like it noted that under Article 2 of the UNESCO Declaration on Cultural Diversity that guarantees the harmonious interaction of peoples with a diverse identity, the use of simply "Macedonia" to describe the Former Yugoslav Republic is in violation of Greece's equal right to identify simply as "Macedonia" its historical province on the northern Greek peninsula. It is for this reason that the official name of the country internationally is the "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" and not simply the Republic of "Macedonia" or simply "Macedonia". This is misleading and untrue.

The slow movement towards renaming everything by simply "Macedonia" regarding the Former Yugoslavic Republic in Wikipedia not only destroys the credibility of Wikipedia and violates the interim accord signed under the auspices of the United Nations between Greece and the Former Yugoslav Republic that standardized the name to be used but it also gives credence to universities and media who do not view Wikipedia as a credible encyclopedia but as a den for propaganda, interests and agendas. I am sure this direction is not one of the pillars the founders of Wikipedia intended or envisioned for their encyclopaedia or its reputation.

Thank you for your consideration. Vergiotisa (talk) 14:51, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The official name of the Republic of Macedonia is the Republic of Macedonia. "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" is a name used by the UN to allow Macedonia to join the UN without too many howls of outrage from Greece. Wikipedia cannot "violate" a UN accord because Wikipedia is not a UN member and has never participated in any such accord. I suggest you have a look at Macedonia naming dispute and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia).

Also, I don't see how this template can be creating a disambiguation problem. PepperBeast (talk) 21:55, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Ppp ery 22:01, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Parties, etc.

Hi, User:Atanasp123. This template is about the history of North Macedonia created in 1991, and the most important events that occurred during its development. As you know, Wikipedia has a tree structure and in one article there are links to dozens of other articles. In some of the currently specified in this template articles. there are also links to the article on the Macedonian Communist Party itself. At the same time, this template is not about the history of the parties, organizations and associations ever created in North Macedonia and its territory. If you add all of them, then this template would become overloaded and inconvenient to be viewed and readed. However, if you wish, you could construct a new template covering the history of the parties, organizations and associations ever created in North Macedonia and on its territory. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 04:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah thank you, also another question I got actually 2 questions. First of all my identity, I was born in the Uk but my parents are Macedonian and I’ve always loved being British and supporting my Macedonian identity. I’ve decided to explore more about who the “Macedonian” people were and their history. While I am watching these videos, I usually check the comments of these videos and I was seeing very hateful comments of people saying “Macedonia was created in 1991” “ur a brainwashed Bulgarian tito invented your nation!” “Vardarskans” “Macedonia is Greece” “Macedonia is Bulgarian” “Macedonia is Serbian” “Your a monkeydonian”. I could literally go a whole 2 days naming insults from these people. I was shocked, I thought people loved Macedonians and the history behind it but I’ve just witnessed hate comments about the Macedonian country and the people. Even when I decide to express about my Macedonian identity and even I still see people writing hate comments. So I just want to know the history about all of this I know some about it but I don’t know it to a full extent. If you want more information about me my mother is from Strumica and my dad is from prilep. That could probably help you with censuses and such. Thank you. Atanasp123 (talk) 12:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Atanasp123 and Happy New Year. Jingiby (talk) 18:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Happy new year to you too. But can you answer my question above? Atanasp123 (talk) 20:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

May you formulate your question shorter and clearer. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 07:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Basically I’m Macedonian but people call me Bulgarian, Serbian etc. can you please tell me where the Macedonian ethnicity come from. My mother is from Strumica and my dad is from prilep. Atanasp123 (talk) 20:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Atanasp123. I would like to thank you for your contributions so far. As long as you comply with the policies and guidelines, you should be good. You can ask if you ever need any help. Wikipedia's talk pages are only for discussing improvements, not off-topic and personal topics. We do not really care about the ethnicities of editors here. People are also disallowed from making personal attacks here. StephenMacky1 (talk) 20:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I’m quite new to Wikipedia but thank you for also correcting me with edits and such. Atanasp123 (talk) 20:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Atanasp123, the answer of your question could be found here, I think: The designation "Macedonian". Jingiby (talk) 07:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Editing gone Wrong.

I tried editing the north macedonian wiki template but it dosnt seem to have the edited text in the template. If you try edit it and add a topic in it, it won’t work. Atanasp123 (talk) 20:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Early Slavs

User:Atanasp123, the early Slavs arose in Central Europe, not on the Balkans. This topic is already presented on this template with two articles: Slavic migrations to the Balkans and Sclaveni. May you explain, please, why do you insist to put this abstract and not directly related to North Macedonia topic here. Thе topic Early Slavs is quite extensive and covers a large number of tribes scattered over a vast territory. The article South Slavs for example is more appropriate for this template. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 19:19, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]