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A fact from Warratyi appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 November 2016 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Warratyi, the oldest known site of human habitation in inland Australia, was discovered by a man looking for somewhere to go to the toilet?

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Lake Eyre basin

Re tagged as {failed verification}, tag removed ...

So far as I can see Extended Data Figure 1: Warratyi rock shelter, site location, site plan and excavation strategy does not mention the Lake Eyre basin. Presumably either:

It's there in Figure 1 (which is freely available to all) and I've missed it somehow, or
It's in the main body of the article Cultural innovation and megafauna interaction in the early settlement of arid Australia (which I don't have access to because it requires a subscription)

@Prioryman: could you please clarify exactly where Lake Eyre Basin is mentioned in the reference. If it's in the main body, we probably need to split the ref into two (and/or possibly use {{sfn}}) to distinguish between the two locations. Mitch Ames (talk) 00:59, 13 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I see what you're getting at. It's in the main body, which I was able to read on the day of publication but seems to now have been paywalled. If you Google the quote you can still find it in the cache. Could you do the split so that it's to your satisfaction? Prioryman (talk) 08:34, 13 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Mitch Ames (talk) 10:37, 13 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Silly euphemism

"Coulthard was searching for a place to go to the toilet"??? Surely Coulthard was aware that there was no toilet in a gorge at the southern end of the Lake Eyre basin in the northern Flinders Ranges. Coulthard was looking for a place to defecate. - Nunh-huh 04:53, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Someone changed it to urinate. I can't access the article in any shape or form as the site is 'experiencing problems', so I reverted the 'urinate' to 'searching for a place to go to the toilet' because I don't work on assumptions, and the article is one of the current DYK articles. Until such a time as someone can verify whether he was looking for somewhere to defecate or urinate (or maybe both), it'll have to remain as a WP:EUPHEMISM since that's how the DYK is being promoted. I don't think it'll kill readers to have to guess which bodily function was in need of being met. Be grateful that it wasn't presented as 'looking for a bathroom'. Who knows: maybe they might bookmark it to find out... Return visits might get 'em interested in reading some other articles while they're waiting. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:04, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We could always put "go to the toilet" in quotation marks (with a ref immediately after the quotation). I.e., it's not a euphemism, it's an accurate reproduction of what the source says. Mitch Ames (talk) 05:20, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, quotation marks strikes me as being UNDUE. It's not the brunt of the article, and quotation marks will make it stand out like a sore thumb... but, if editors are so perturbed by WP:WORDS guidelines that they feel this is absolutely necessary, then quotation marks it is. I honestly don't think that EUPHEMISM is meant to be taken so literally: it's a guideline to prevent stupid euphemisms like "passed away", etc. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:34, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I don't think we need to mention going to the toilet all, so I deliberately left it out when I created the article. We can't remove it while it's a DYK, because it's part of the hook, but perhaps it after the DYK it should just remove it, eg:

... It was discovered by chance by a local resident ~~who stumbled upon it while looking for somewhere to go to the toilet.~~
...

~~While Coulthard was searching for a place to go to the toilet,~~ the two men found a spring surrounded by rock art and a soot-blackened fissure in the rock nearby. ...

Mitch Ames (talk) 06:04, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That works for me. The toilet business is really just WP:ITSINTERESTING as an aside, but not integral to the article. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 09:05, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]