Talk:WHBC (AM)

Callsign Meaning

From the time I was young, my father had told me that the call letters for WHBC meant, "We Help Build Canton" or "We Helped Built Canton". I can't attest to its validity, and he has since passed away. However, my father had been a student at St. John's School in the 1930's, so perhaps (since the station was started by St. John the Baptist Church) there was some truth to it. Just an educated guess. Perhaps someone else can confirm this. Mazngrace 15:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Whbc.jpg

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Fair use rationale for Image:WHBC 1946.JPG

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BetacommandBot (talk) 08:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Copyright vio

The first five paragraphs of the History section of this article are verbatim from the station's web site.[1] This is a clear violation of WP:COPYVIO. I don't have enough interest in this topic to attempt a paraphrasing. If no one else does so within the next week, I'm going to delete the offending text. --sanfranman59 (talk) 02:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you very much for detecting this duplication and noting your concerns. It's very important to keep Wikipedia copyright clear! I'm evaluating the listing at the copyright problem's board, and I believe (as odd as it may seem) that we are the point of origin, and that they have copied from us. It would not be the first time that an official source has copied from Wikipedia.

As evidence, I offer the following:

• The oldest archive of the webpage is this from November of 2007. Our article dates back to December 2005.
• At the time our article was created, it was considerably shorter than the source, but contained some of the same language. Among the similar language: "Sometime in 1938 or 1939 the station was sold to secular interests, and it came under the ownership of the Ohio Broadcasting Company. The new owners obtained approval to increase power to 250 watts daytime, while maintaining 100 watts at night." (The suspected source says, "In 1936 the station was sold to secular interests, when it was purchased by the Brush-Moore Newspaper Company, then owners of Canton's newspaper, The Repository. The station was sold in 1939 to a business group consisting of the Vodrey family of East Liverpool and the Boyd family of Portsmouth. The families organized ownership of the station under the name of the Ohio Broadcasting Company. They obtained approval to increase power to 250 watts daytime, while maintaining 100 watts at night.") Tracing the evolution of this passage is helpful.
• That passage remained the same until 13 February 2006, when an IP contributor changed it: "Sometime in 1938 or 1939 the station was sold to secular interests, and it came under the ownership of the Ohio Broadcasting Company. The new owners obtained approval to increase power to 250 watts daytime, while maintaining 100 watts at night." → "In 1939 the station was sold to secular interests, when it was purchased by the family of William H. Vodrey, Jr. (1873-1954) of East Liverpool. They organized ownership of the station under the name of the Ohio Broadcasting Company. The Vodreys obtained approval to increase power to 250 watts daytime, while maintaining 100 watts at night." (Same IP subtly changed it further 6 minutes later)
• In March 2006, a different IP edited that passage again, changing, "In 1939 the station was sold to secular interests, when it was purchased by the family of William H. Vodrey, Jr. (1873-1954) of East Liverpool. The Vodreys organized ownership..." to "In 1936 the station was sold to secular interests, when it was purchased by the Brush-Moore Newspaper Company, also owners of The Repository. The station was sold in 1939to a business group consisting of the Vodrey family of [[East Liverpool, Ohio|East Liverpool]and the Boyd family of Portsmouth. The families organized ownership...." (Same IP further altered it slightly that same day).

This material seems to have slowly evolved to be more like the external source. This is usually something we see when the other source copied us.

More of that kind of material is evident here:

• On 15 February 2006, the date was supplied for the last frequency shift. That date is present in the suspected source.
• On August 6 2006, an IP contributor adds, "As such, WHBC enjoyed enviable dominance in Canton, although stations from Akron and Cleveland could also be heard", changing it moments later to, "As such, WHBC enjoyed enviable dominance in the Canton radio market, although stations from Akron and Cleveland could also be heard." This statement is present in the suspect source.

Even though it seems to be rare for an official source to copy from Wikipedia, that's the only explanation that makes sense for the pattern in which this article has evolved. Accordingly, I'm going to restore the text and mark the CP listing resolved. Of course, if further evidence to the contrary emerges, it should be revisited. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 22:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for following up, Moodriddengirl ... and for the detailed explanation of your findings. --sanfranman59 (talk) 22:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)