Talk:Israfil

Is Israfel same as Raphael (archangel) -Tydaj 04:57, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well spotted — that certainly looks likely; I've asked the same question at Talk:Raphael, and suggested a merge. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:15, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, they are two separate figures in the relevant literature, and come from very different Hebrew roots. Israfel comes from SRP, or "burning," from which we also get the word "Seraphim," and he is commonly associated with music and the trumpets of judgment. Raphael comes from a word that means "healing," and is a significant aspect of his role in the Book of Tobit. Any suggested equivalence would need to be sourced in order to indicate precisely what subset of the lore equates them - a merge would be wholly inappropriate. ◄Zahakiel ► 23:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That couldn't be more clearly stated. Perhaps a brief para. on the source of the confusion, if there really is any?--Wetman 23:42, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is interesting though that in the Baha'i Writings, the two concepts are mentioned together, "In this day if anyone liveth in accord with the heavenly teachings and instructions, he shall become a spiritual physician to the world of humanity and the trumpet of Israfel to quicken the dead...." `Abdu'l-Bahá - Tablets of Abdul-Baha Abbas, p.387-390

Query

I've never heard of an Ayat or Hadith that describes the physical features of Israfil in Islam. Citation is required. 143.167.244.151 (talk) 17:55, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A source is given, Gustav Davidson's Dictionary of Angels. Digging up my old copy, he cites the abridged edition of the Encyclopaedia of Islam, who would have ultimately gotten it from a source text by a Muslim (but not necessarily an Ayat or Hadith, though that does not change the fact that it is an Islamic belief about Israfel, even if it is not a universal belief). Ian.thomson (talk) 18:26, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Right although there are No Hadith and Ayat regarding the appearance and physical features of Israfil but there are books that describes it. Britannica also has an article on it see here and check the references too. -- Ibrahim ebi (talk) 13:49, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Israfil/Israfel is the alternate name of Uriel - one of the four Archangels in Judaism

I added to this article that (Israfil/Israfel) is the alternate name of the Archangel Uriel for the Jewish people. Fighting evil (talk) 19:04, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Israfil" Used Just for the Sound by Poe?

This should be corrected--it is clear that Poe used the figure of Israfil not just for its sound, because he also uses the traditional attributes of this angel in his poem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.60.7.34 (talk) 19:25, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology?

Is anything known about the etymology of the name? Jimw338 (talk) 16:49, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unreliable sources

Sources done by religious activists (for example when they are literally called "Ministry of Islamic Affairs, Dawah and Guidance") need to be removed per WP:ABRAHAMICPOV. Is there any objection? VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 15:07, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@VenusFeuerFallOk, I am trying to understand. This is an article about an Islamic religious point (what Muslims believe to be the name of the angel who blows the horn), and the Ministry of Islamic Affairs, Dawah and Guidance is one of three authorities cited for the source. All three are Islamic, and the subject is a point of Islamic theology. Why is an official organ of Saudi Arabian Islamic religious thought not a good source for this Islamic religious point? From the little reading I did when adding pictures to this article, the point they support doesn't appear to be controversial--is there controversy? It feels like we are being asked to pick and choose--who gets to be the legitimate Muslims to be on Wikipedia. Jacqke (talk) 00:20, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are multiple issues with Saudi Arabia or any other Salafi-propagation webpage or institute, as they suffer from biases of their own religious viewpoint, a viewpoint which may not allign with what Muslims actually believe (it rarely does). Fortunately, Wikipedia is not a forum, so we can skip the intra-religious fights and go straight to the academic part of this project, which leads us to the guidline posted above. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 18:40, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was a bit confused as to the guideline, which is about "Judeo-Christian/Abrahamic systemic bias " where this is Islamic. But I understand, you mean the source compromises neutrality in point-of-view. I do, though, foresee someone disliking using the word "Haggadic" (a Jewish concept/term) to talk about Islamic subjects. I don't want to argue about this, however. I feel you are better able to discern the politics in the sources and won't stop your changes. I think that erasing the whole like before won't work, as naming Israfil as the angel is a main point. Please just make sure everything has a source. Best of wishes to you Jacqke (talk) 02:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see the issue with using the term "Haggadic". However i has become to be a common term to refer to a genre of religious literature which speaks about mythology within Judeo-Islamic tradition. The proper Islamic term would be Tarikh or Qisas, but these terms are muhc frequently used in academic sources than "haggadic" or "aggadic". VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 19:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]