Property talk:P708

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diocese
administrative division of the church to which the element belongs; use P5607 for other types of ecclesiastical territorial entities
DescriptionThe diocese to which the monastery belongs or belonged (also true for persons or organizations)
Representsdiocese (Q665487)
Data typeItem
Template parameter"diocese" in en:Template:Infobox monastery
Domainperson, place, organization (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Allowed valuesdiocese (Q665487), eparchy (Q285181), apostolic vicariate (Q620225), archeparchy (Q2288631), military ordinariate (Q1531518), abbacy nullius (Q1778235), apostolic administration (Q1431554), apostolic prefecture (Q384003) (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
ExampleTurku Cathedral (Q1187606)Archdiocese of Turku (Q1365769)
Oulu Parish Union (Q11886117)Diocese of Oulu (Q873680)
Cathedral of San Sabino (Q383884)Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Bari-Bitonto (Q541341)
Tracking: sameno label (Q47013830)
Tracking: differencesno label (Q47013829)
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P708 (Q23909121)
Tracking: local yes, WD nono label (Q47013828)
See alsoreligion or worldview (P140), cathedral (P1885), located in the religious territorial entity (P5607)
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Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total288,040
Main statement203,38970.6% of uses
Qualifier84,62629.4% of uses
Reference25<0.1% of uses
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Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P708#Single value, SPARQL
Value type “eparchy (Q285181), apostolic vicariate (Q620225), archeparchy (Q2288631), military ordinariate (Q1531518), abbacy nullius (Q1778235), apostolic administration (Q1431554), apostolic prefecture (Q384003), diocese (Q665487), apostolic exarchate (Q3732788), ecclesiastical district (Q1492823), Ecclesiastical circumscription immediately subject to the Holy See (Q2665272), Roman Catholic metropolitan archdiocese (Q105390172), Apostolic see (Q1147274), Stauropegion (Q1269563): This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value eparchy (Q285181), apostolic vicariate (Q620225), archeparchy (Q2288631), military ordinariate (Q1531518), abbacy nullius (Q1778235), apostolic administration (Q1431554), apostolic prefecture (Q384003), diocese (Q665487), apostolic exarchate (Q3732788), ecclesiastical district (Q1492823), Ecclesiastical circumscription immediately subject to the Holy See (Q2665272), Roman Catholic metropolitan archdiocese (Q105390172), Apostolic see (Q1147274), Stauropegion (Q1269563) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P708#Value type Q285181, Q620225, Q2288631, Q1531518, Q1778235, Q1431554, Q384003, Q665487, Q3732788, Q1492823, Q2665272, Q105390172, Q1147274, Q1269563, SPARQL
Contemporaries:
if [item A] has this property (diocese (P708)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P708#Contemporary, SPARQL
Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P708#Scope, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P708#Entity types
This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Not Catholic only

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I changed the description. For some reason the description of this was "administrative division of the catholic church to which the element belongs", which is incorrect. Diocese is an episcopal term in other Christian churches, not only Catholic. Danrok (talk) 00:02, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Parishes, deaneries etcetera

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At the moment, the label and the description of this item are a little contradictory. The label suggests it is strictly for dioceses, while the description says it is for the "administrative division of the church to which the element belongs". Churches can consist of hundreds of subdivisions at many levels, not just the diocese.

I think it would make sense to transform this property into a holy version of located in the administrative territorial entity (P131), with the label being something like "church administrative unit" and the statement containing the lowest level of church administration (for a church this would typically be its parish). Mapping the ecclesiastical level of different items is definitely something Wikidata should do. Considering we have one unified property for secular subdivisions, it makes sense to have one single property for church subdivisions as well. Väsk (talk) 07:49, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Given all the problems P131 causes, I doubt that. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 19:58, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]