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AGWG Teleconference

03 December 2024

Attendees

Present
alastairc, AlinaV, Azlan, DF, filippo-zorzi, Francis_Storr, Frankie, giacomo-petri, Glenda, GN015, Graham, hdv, jaunita_george, Jen_G, jon_avila, jtoles, kevin, Kimberly, kirkwood, Laura_Carlson, ljoakley2, Makoto, mbgower, mgarrish, mike_beganyi, MJ, robu01, scott, ShawnT, stevef, wendyreid
Regrets
ChrisL, JennieD
Chair
alastairc
Scribe
Laura_Carlson

Meeting minutes

<alastairc> WCAG 2.2 review of updates https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-issues/2024Nov/0012.html

Introductions and Annoucements

ac: welcome

ac: Any new members or change of affiliation ?

<Zakim> Chuck, you wanted to say an announcement

WCAG 3 publication discussion https://w3c.github.io/wcag3/guidelines/

Chuck: Today is International day of Persons with Disabilities day. Will be honoring it. You might consider it too.

Ac: WCAG 3 publication discussion all +1s

Content Related Definitions (text, image, content, interactive component, etc.) https://github.com/w3c/wcag3/discussions/140

Ac: hope to publish soon.

Ac: we introduced this last week. Will share screen.
… I put in some suggestions.
… had a few comments.
… user interface controls seemed to be a sub-set.
… General agreement with the definitions, one proposed tweak to "text".
… term "content" is wide.
… wondering if we could use "user interface" and "user interface controls" as a subset.
… will leave this open. It is a current proposal. Think about it in our sub-groups.

Mg: thinking through a phone tree. In a speech interaction.
… wondering if "user interface controls" works with that.

Ac: think it works but we should test it.

Wendy: think it does include that.

<mbgower> Yep, "user interface" seems to work fine. I was more wondering about "user interface control"

Wendy: controls are prompted but it is broad enough to work.

Glenda: I agree with Wendy.

SF: why content and interactive content?

Lo: don't think we should list all types of content. Keeping things more general should help us.

Glenda: where would links fall under this?

<mbgower> an input is a subset of "control"

Ac: a control is more general.

Ac: don't need to define everything in advance.

GN: user interface definition may allow for action or action from the user.

<Jon_avila> I agree - to add action to make it clear buttons would be covered under user interface.

Ac: discussion is still open.
… have a look through this.

WCAG 2.2 review of updates https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-issues/2024Nov/0012.html

Ac: email is from mike.

<mbgower> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/56/views/1

Ac: Update from target size min<https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/2858#top>#2858
… Task Force has identified a normative change for the Working Group. Do we want to have an errata for this?
… would be applied to future publication.

Mg: also marked as normative.
… will have to go to CFC.

<alastairc> Poll: Should we update Target Size Enhanced (AAA) to align the inline-exception with Target Size Min (AA)?

<DF> +1

<ShawnT> +1

<jaunita_george> +1

<mbgower> +1 at the moment, the requirement is looser for AAA, which doesn't make a lot of sense

<scott> +1

<wendyreid> +1

<Jon_avila> 0

<Azlan> +1

<Makoto> +1

<ljoakley2> +1

<MJ> +1

<Francis_Storr> +1

<mike_beganyi> +1

<kirkwood> +1

<Rachael> +1

<Frankie> +1

<giacomo-petri> +1

Laura: 0

<Chuck> +1

<stevef> +1

<alastairc> draft RESOLUTION: Approve PR 2858 to create an errata for Target Size Enhanced.

<Chuck> +1

<mbgower> +1

<mike_beganyi> +1

<Graham> +1

<Francis_Storr> +1

<DF> +1

<scott> +1

<jaunita_george> +1

<Makoto> +1

<Frankie> +1

<Azlan> +1

<ljoakley2> +1

<kirkwood> +1

RESOLUTION: Approve PR 2858 to create an errata for Target Size Enhanced.

Ac: nothing else in the email was normative.

Mg: a few where it seems it was intended as a note. It is a gray area.
… alpha order is straight forward.

<alastairc> w3c/wcag#4122

Mg: you have another week to review these.

Mg: link directly to new supplemental guidance is clearly not normative.

<alastairc> w3c/wcag#4128

Mg: Update F2.html some slight changes reducing the scope.
… 2339 update. Slight rewording
… 4102 some slight updates.
… and an add.

<alastairc> this one could do with some more review / thumbs up w3c/wcag#2150

Mg: need more review on 2150.

<alastairc> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/56/views/1

Mg: any questions?

<mbgower> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/wiki

Sub-group working

LO: Friday TF has a good description of our process on our wiki. Join us on Fridays.

<mbgower> This page is probably the most important for the processes we follow https://github.com/w3c/wcag/wiki/WCAG-2-Task-Force-process

Summary of resolutions

  1. Approve PR 2858 to create an errata for Target Size Enhanced.
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