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<trackbot> Date: 09 December 2014
<Joshue108> Chair: Joshue
<AWK> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
<yatil> Scribe: Adam_solomon
<yatil> scribenick: adam_solomon
<Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20140306/2950
<Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/45
<yatil> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/9thDec2014/results#xq5
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/F17.html
<Joshue108> http://davidmacd.com/test/more-than-one-accesskey.html
david: access key is broken,
never been a success (interference with all sorts of technology
keys, collision. With same access key on different controls it
traverses. for html5 may require ability for user to reassign
value. Shouldn't worry about uniqueness
... uniqueness might be best practice, not more than that
michael: one is xml other is html
hard to clarify the difference
... say keyboard access not access key
joshua: don't need to mention access key at all
awk: f17 has 2 parts: access key (says check for uniqueness and thats wrong) this needs to be addressed. Other parts (table map etc) are mentioned by other techs. Left with access key which is wrong and unique id covered by f62, so we should dump f17, and if someone wants to draw up an access key tech thats fine, but f77 is good for parsing, f62 is also problematic, consider removing it as well> comment is good, doesn't go far enough
<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/F62.html
david: leave f62 (xhtml)?
awk: f62 is redundant to f77 and partially flawed
joshua: access keys - broken model not good for accessibility - dump it until its improved
<Zakim> cstrobbe, you wanted to say that duplicate accesskeys may lead to indetermined behaviour; is that not an issue?
cstrobbe: wouldn't ambiguities from non unique access keys be a problem?
awk: spec allows non unique access keys, why should it be a failure?
cstrobbe: spec doesn't necessarily guarantee accessiblity
awk: nothing concrete to call them a failure
joshua: volunteer to draw up proposal or f17?
awk: i could do that, and include dumping f62 as well - is there agreement on that?
<cstrobbe> F17 also covers "for" without a corresponding "id". Is that covered elsewhere?
cstrobbe: f17 also has part about missing id
<Joshue108> ACTION: AWK to drawn up proposal for accesskeys F17 / LC-2950 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/12/09-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-304 - Drawn up proposal for accesskeys f17 / lc-2950 [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2014-12-16].
awk: with form controls: problem would be where control has id and label references different id and for that there is another technique
cstrobbe: when label is next to control, but no "for" is a scenario
awk: believe we have another tech for that
RESOLUTION: leave
open
... leave open
<Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20140306/2951
joshua: what does long term cleanup list refer to?
michael: clean up redundancy
awk: f42 is better written, but all these techs point to different criteria. Hard to understand what they are failing, causing too much confusion
joshua: what about adding aria to f42?
awk: aria would be added to procedure (check if there role attribute)
cstrobbe: f42 would cover link which has event handlers but is not identifiable as link
awk: why does f59 not cover
this?
... are links user interface controls
joshua: not clear cut to dump f42, keeping it and adding aria might be best way
james: why do we need to amend procedure - second step covers aria
kathy: could add note to description about aria
james: shouldn't encourage this -
leave the note out
... applies to many failures, that js event handlers emulate
link without it being a link because there is another control
next to it, this shouldn't be a failure
<Zakim> AWK, you wanted to ask if F42 should be 4.1.2 also
awk: f42 not referring 4.1.2, should it? (and 1.3.1?)
kathy: if we add 4.1.2, then perhaps we should add note about aria, because 1.3.1 is about semantics, 4.1.2 about role. some note is preferrable, even without encouraging its use
<cstrobbe> "In the majority of cases setting an ARIA role and/or aria-* attribute that matches the default implicit ARIA semantics is unnecessary and not recommended as these properties are already set by the browser." http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/dom.html#sec-strong-native-semantics
awk: could use role=link for span, not best practice, but would work
joshua: keep f42, do we need to
modify it and how?
... kathy could draw up proposed text later on , until then
leave open
RESOLUTION: leave open
<Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to say that having a bullet point list of what the Quickref does well on the wiki would be helpful
erice: current how to doc doing well, what else can we do with quick ref doc
david: track down someone who is expert on ux usability, would be great for feedback
<Zakim> EricE, you wanted to say that we may have some user testing through EO…
link that works: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20140306/2958
awk: can we close this out?
RESOLUTION: close this out
<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H91.html
<AWK> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/58/files
awk: added input=file to h91, don't think there is need to survey again
<AWK> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H91.htmlhttp://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H91.html
<AWK> Scribe: AWK
JOC: anything else?
Trackbot, end meeting
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