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<trackbot> Date: 27 May 2014
<AWK> Regrets Bruce, Katie, Wilco
<AWK> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
joshue: are we going to have a meeting with eowg? needs to be scheduled.
awk: do people feel we need to have a meeting?
david: this Friday 8:30 am ET
awk: the goal is that this is the
last cycle we spend on it
... handle via email?
david: mostly around the term "accessible for all"
<AWK> 2895: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20140107/2895
marc: will there be an email with the callin info?
<MichaelC> EO call details: 3694 ("EOWG")
<AWK> EO call on Friday 8:30 am ET: call in ID 3694
awk: passcode: 3694
<AWK> RESOLUTION: Group meeting on Friday with EO will report back
<Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/EOTutorials_review
awk: josh put together a wiki
page
... any questions?
<AWK> Zakim close item 8
<jon_avila> what about action items?
<jon_avila> yes
awk: Using the aside element to associate content related to an article
david: the aside should make sense out of context
awk: what qualifies as sufficiently tangental?
david: for all content that has an aside tag, ensure the following ....
awk: jon, what is the current accessibility support?
jon: lack of supposrt in NVDA could be an NVDA bug
loretta: example confusing, not
what I would think aside would be used for
... used for a side discussion of the main article
sailesh: the word tangential is
used in the HTML definiton of the term
... layment's term would be sidebar
josh: full disclosure: I wrote
this.
... modify the examples
david: the aside would contain repeated content
jon: looking at the spec, I assumed you could have multiple asides apply to different articles
<Joshue> great question
david: need to discuss best practices for the aside element
<Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_HTML5_aside_element
<David> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_the_aside_element_to_associate_content_related_to_an_article
josh: modified example to move the aside outside of the article
awk: remove the reference to the
aside from the article itself
... are you allowed to have an aside outside an article?
josh: I will check the spec
<Joshue> It can go into any flow content
jon: the W3C wiki says examples are sidebars, pull quotes advertising and groups of nav elements
<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/common-models.html#common.elem.flow
LOL
<Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_HTML5_aside_element
<jon_avila> +1
<Joshue> +1
awk: it sounds like all the concerns people have are around the examples
david: create 3 examples - one for each use referred to in the spec?
daid: I can write the example for the pull quote
<AWK> ACTION: David to write a pull quote example for https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_the_aside_element_to_associate_content_related_to_an_article [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/27-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]
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<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/sections.html#the-aside-element
<AWK> ACTION: dmacdona to write a pull quote example for https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_the_aside_element_to_associate_content_related_to_an_article [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/27-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-258 - Write a pull quote example for https://www.w3.org/wai/gl/wiki/using_the_aside_element_to_associate_content_related_to_an_article [on David MacDonald - due 2014-06-03].
<jamesn> The aside element represents a section of a page that consists of content that is tangentially related to the content around the aside element, and which could be considered separate from that content. Such sections are often represented as sidebars in printed typography.
<jamesn> The element can be used for typographical effects like pull quotes or sidebars, for advertising, for groups of nav elements, and for other content that is considered separate from the main content of the page.
<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/common-models.html#common.elem.flow
<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/sections.html#the-aside-element
jon: add the objective back in?
awk: to indicate the tangentially related content using the HTML aside element
sailesh: do the test need to be
modified?
... tangentially related content can be marked up in other
ways
jon: if you use an aside, it has to be tangentially related to the content
awk: for each instance of this item, make sure you are doing it correctly
<Joshue> +q
<AWK> JO: open issue for me is how to create the programmatic association b/w an aside and its parent
<AWK> DM: don't think it is necessary. A sighted person doesn't know _exact_ context for pull quote
<AWK> JO: That is not how I understand it...
I'm back
<AWK> DM: what does the spec say?
josh: how do you connect the aside to the correct article?
jon: related links - the
relationship does matter
... we need a techniques to encourage people to use an
aside
RESOLUTION: leave open pending further action on 258 and editing by Jon
awk: seems that people like
it
... david >> Consider adding example of two or three navs
on a page using aria-label primary secondary...
... what do other people think?
josh: what distinguishes the content of each nav?
kathy: we should have labels on the navgroup even if there's only one
awk: should it be part of the procedure?
<Loretta> This does go beyond WCAG
kathy: if there is more than one, we should require it
loretta: there is no requirement in WCAG
sailesh: we should say navigation elements, not just links
<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/aria.html#ARIA11
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Grouping_related_links_using_the_nav_element
<AWK> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Grouping_related_links_using_the_nav_element
josh: do we need to describe primary vs secondary navigation?
kathy: primary nav is usually the site nvigation
jon: it is accessibility
supported
... more about the structure than about skipping past it
RESOLUTION: leave open
<AWK> We went through comments up to Detlev's on the last item
<Joshue> which was Grouping related links using the nav element
<AWK> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/
awk: need to talk about action
item purging
... we have 258 open items in the action item list
... some go back to 2009
... please close the ones that need to be closed
if you're not sure, send a note to the editors
<David> to ask...What if we have completed it but it has not been addressed
RSSAgent, draft minutes
awk: any questions?
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