See also: IRC log
<marcjohlic> scribe: marcjohlic
BB: Bruce will scribe the next meeting
<Peter_Thiessen> In another conference call at the moment but will be lurking in the background
<bbailey> New DOT Rules Make Flying Easier for Passengers with Disabilities (airline websites, airport kiosks, and seat strapping)
<bbailey> http://www.dot.gov/briefing-room/new-dot-rules-make-flying-easier-passengers-disabilities
<bbailey> Link in right-hand menu is to official docket
<Peter_Thiessen> right, thanks Joshue
<bbailey> Regulations.gov off-line at moment :-)
BB: DOT is adopting WCAG 2.0 A and AA for airline websites and kiosks.
Clarification - DOT is the agency
<Joshue108> Using the aria-describedby property to provide a descriptive label for user interface controls
<bbailey> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/results#x2652
<Joshue108> +q
<Joshue108> ack -q
<Joshue108> +q
<Joshue108> -q
<Joshue108> +q to say that there shouldn't be two IDs in the example
<Joshue108> -q
<AWK> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/states_and_properties#aria-describedby
JoC: James tested "Example 2: Using aria-describedby to associate instructions with form fields and it was announced twice
JN: When control was focused it read "a bit of instructions" twice
AWK: Vote to leave example as it is
RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended.
<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/ARIA2:_Identifying_required_fields_with_the_aria-required_property
<bbailey> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/results#x2663
<AWK> Scribe: AWK
JO: Kerstin's comment is trying to avoid redundancies
JN: The example itself is designed to avoid that problem
AWK: need to fix for/id
association
... Should we add the reference to the hierarchy of labeling
items?
"Per the WAI-ARIA specification, the aria-label text will override the text supplied within the link. As such the text supplied will be used instead of the link text by AT. Due to this it is recommended to start the text used in aria-label with the text used within the link. This will allow consistent communication between users."
(stolen from: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-label_for_link_purpose)
JO: looking at sailesh's survey comments.
<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-TECHS/H90.html
AWK: Looks like ARIA2 is for SC 3.3.2 and 1.3.1 and H90 is just 3.3.2
ISSUE: Should H90 reference 1.3.1 like ARIA2 does?
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-15 - Should h90 reference 1.3.1 like aria2 does?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/15/edit>.
<MichaelC> issue-15?
<trackbot> issue-15 -- Should h90 reference 1.3.1 like aria2 does? -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/15
ISSUE-?
RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended
<Joshue108> Using the group role to identify related form controls
Kathy raises issue about role=group on td element
BB; also a little concerned about this
JO: ... What's the problem? The table has role=presentation
JN: This would be a bad idea
without the role=presentation
... Suggests making example 2 a handful of divs instead of a
layout table.
JO: good idea, no good reason to
have the table.
... We would need to ask Sailesh to change the example for the
live example to match
<bbailey> Question #5 from earlier survey and #3 from this weeks survey reference same technique.
<bbailey> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/results#x2659
<bbailey> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Nov5_2013/results#x2663
<bbailey> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_the_group_role_to_identify_related_form_controls
We'll edit the example to remove the table and use divs, and ask Sailesh to modify live example.
<bbailey> Okay, I fixed the issue I flagged with typographical quotation marks
<Ryladog> +1 to what Michael is saying about AT
<Joshue108> +1 to Michaels suggestion
AWK: only outstanding issue is example two - we looked at all comments on current survey item.
ACTION Sailesh to modify example 2 and corresponding live example and text above it for http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_grouping_roles_to_identify_related_form_controls.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-229 - Modify example 2 and corresponding live example and text above it for http://www.w3.org/wai/gl/wiki/using_grouping_roles_to_identify_related_form_controls. [on Sailesh Panchang - due 2013-11-12].
Sailesh will need to change role="group" to role="radiogroup" also.
<marcjohlic> scribe: marcjohlic
<AWK> RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended pending ACTION-229 by Sailesh
<Joshue108> ARIA-edit: F68: Failure of Success Criterion 1.3.1 and 4.1.2
<bbailey> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/results#x2659
<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/G167.html
AWK: Leave Example 3 as is - but should we add info on how to fix it?
DM: May get too confusing if we add the fix info - better to leave it as is.
JO: Suggest removing the last sentences on how to fix it - as the correct way is detailed elswhere
<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#programmaticallydetermineddef
<jamesn> does it matter?
JO: No objection to changing title to "determined"
<bbailey> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/results#x2661
JO: Discussed Sailesh's comment and removed "The name can be supplied with the title attribute, with a label element hidden with CSS, with aria-label, or with aria-labelledby." from Example 3.
DM: We're using lowercase and uppercase 't' in "the" in procedures - change all to lowercase.
AWK; Does "submit" button count as a label?
JO: I'd say no it does not count
JN: I believe it does count - depends on your term "label" - html vs generic
AWK: In Example 3, do we want to get rid of "Type your search here"
JO: In favor of keeping it
RESOLUTION: Failure accepted as amended
<AWK> Note: October 15 survey is finished.
<MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/work-statement
<AWK> RESOLUTION: WCAG approved modified Cognitive a11y work statement
<AWK> NOTE: Next week November 5 survey to start, #1,2,4 need to be done
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