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gv: want all content complete and survey created for each GL before F2F
wc: Face 2 Face agenda is aggressive. Plan to work until 7:30 pm each night
<wendy> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamc-2_5/results
gv: question / discussion is: does GL 1.3 L1 SC1 prevent plain text on the web
<wendy> would <p>text text text <br/> text text text <br/> text text </p> pass Guideline 1.3 Level 1 SC 1?
<wendy> if the brs are used to create "paragraphs"
<Andi> my question was really "would <br/> text text text <br/> text text text <br/> text text <br/> pass...
gv: asks: is there consensus that we will have some type of exception for text if we keep this SC at level 1?
<wendy> you mean: <html><body> <br/> text text text <br/> text text text <br/> text text <br/> </body></html>? if so, there are a couple other issues w/the markup. the text needs to be in a block element.
gv: consensus that we do not want to outlaw all text documents?
<wendy> concern about how this relates to the defn of the br element - http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/text.html#edef-BR
lgr: does this SC require that you expose whatever structure is there?
khs: we need to not focus so much on HTML but on content
yh: seems like we are trying to write GL that allow text documents - maybe we need to decide that plain text docs are not accessible
bc: objects to adding an exception for text only
gv: concern about relying on structure provided
by technology thus technology that has no markup automatically passes- which
isn't what we want
... seems like we will not move; still need to figure out what we are going
to do with text documents
... outcome of discussion - will not move GL 1.3 L1 SC1 to level 2
resolution: close the first 3 items of survey with no change to the document
khs: seems like all benefits are relating to
visual issues
... don't want to lose other benefits
js: propose add hearing disabilities to the benefits proposal
<scribe> ACTION: John send proposal to edit benefits [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/13-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]
resolution: accept combining benefits with incorporation of John's edit
resolution: do not adopt this proposed SC
resolution: pass this issue on the editors
resolution: flash is covered under 2.3 and blink is covered under 2.2 - notify the issue submitter and close
resolution: add SC as proposed (above) to GL 1.3 Level 3
gv: will take the def. of programmatically determined to F2F
Resolution: unanimous vote to close issue 1441
Issue 1705 remains open until changes are made to better assoc examples with GL
resolution: close issues saying that it is at level 2 and no consensus to move to level 1
<scribe> (cont) because it would constain default presentation which, so far, we have not done at level 1
Resolution: close as proposed
resolution: close as proposed
resolution: close as proposed
Will leave open until there are techniques
<gregg> * content can be paused by the user
<gregg> * timing or movement is essential (for example, competitive gaming) and timing or movement cannot be frozen, even momentarily without invalidating the activity.
<gregg> content can be paused by the user unless the timing or movement is essential (for example, competitive gaming) and timing or movement cannot be frozen, even momentarily without invalidating the activity.
resolution: accept this proposed wording: content can be paused by the user unless the timing or movement is essential (for example, competitive gaming) and timing or movement cannot be frozen, even momentarily without invalidating the activity.
Andi's proposed wording: the user is warned before time expires and given at least 20 seconds to extend the time-out with a simple action (for example, "hit any key"). The user is allowed to extend the timeout at least 10 times.
resolution: accept Andi's proposed wording (above) with the change to extend 10 times
no resolution - discuss at Face to Face
Resolution: accept proposal to move
no resolution: will dicuss at Face to Face