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<ben_> mapping document: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2005/06/30-sc-techniques-mapping.html
<rscano> ok :)
<ben_> scribe: ben_
<scribe> scribe: ben
mc: Wednesday calls to focus more on testing in coming weeks, would like to spend more time on Thursday calls on techniques as well as we go forward.
scripting tests are a current priority/concern
discussing: is it possible to be comprehensive with script techniques testing?
description of some of the issues around scripting techniques: 06http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0015.html01
sc to techniques mapping: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2005/06/30-sc-techniques-mapping.html
2.1 L1 SC1
bg: onclick as mechanism to get
focus
... can talk about tabindex, though UA issues
<rscano> with this issue, an event with onkeypress without onclick is valid, but an event with onclick without onkeypress is not valid... so no device independence...
bg: anchors on image buttons
mc: technique recommending redundant links for server-side image maps
bg: use of <map> to allow keyboard navigation
<rscano> what about GIS web applications?
yh: keyboard access to controls used in mapping programs
topic 2.2 L1 SC1
yh: general technique to show
time remaining04
... server-side tech to remember settings related to
timeouts
bg: creating a time out with a
way to turn it off
... creating a way to extend or modify time w/ script
dm: need to cover animated gifs
bg: scripting technique to implement blinking via script w/ a way to turn it off
yh: css technique that lets you switch between using animated vs. static images
bg: script tech for first SC also applies
mc: animated gif as well
yh: pausing multimedia (author issue or user agent issue?)
<rscano> depends
dm: use of script to make text shake, there should be a script technique to make it stop shaking.
<rscano> depends from the object proprieties and how the browser embed it
<rscano> Luca?
al: techniques around ticker-tape scrolling?
<LucaMascaro> I suggest to use a SMIL file to general technique
<rscano> other object that can move are: java ticker, object (flash animations, multimedia objects), markup (SVG, ...), CSS...
<LucaMascaro> I am a problem with microphone
<rscano> blink attribute
yh: general technique on how to design content without requiring timing
<rscano> online test can be an example
mc: address online testing
yh: meta-refresh technique
bg: general scripting technique for turning things off
mc: javascript alerts?
bg: issues around allowing users
to turn off alerts
... might be a technique to allow people to prevent alerts
yh: server-side techniques around keeping data while awaiting re-authentication
<rscano> this is a server-side issue that we cannot charge on the web content developer
yh: store intermediate results on multi-part surveys
(stored on the server)
bg: checking to find out if timeout is about to occur and allowing users to submit before timeout occurs
yh: use robots.txt to exclude
violating content from search engines
... general techniques for how to provide a good warning and
using entry pages
<rscano> ora a door-page
mc: issues around controlling path users use to get to a page
<rscano> there are no PICS Label that can do this?
mc: scripting technique that can check preferences before serving problem content
mb: splash page that warns of issue before playing
yh: use a checkbox on a page that presents a warning before presenting content
al: just don't do it
<David> That's should be a general techniue
bc: general technique for how to evaluate for problematic content
mc: foreground/background issues w/ HTML/CSS on this?
mb: general technique - some way to determine whether or not they are violating this
guide doc/general techniques need to address what the problem space around these criterion are
yh: <link> and <a> in
HTML
... also header elements
... lists and groups of links
bg: can reference DHTML Roadmap work here
mc: HTML/Script technqiue for javascript URL (sometimes navigational feature, sometimes not) -- if you're using this as a navigational feature, don't.
yh: onclick event handlers that take you to another page
mc: autosubmit combo boxes
yh: should also be one on table
of contents
... server-side tech about using search engines
... general techniques about linking to related content
... how to assign effective metadata
... allowing users to search as well as browse
bg: script tech from a list apart - use link element to create drop-down menus
yh: providing links to most popular content
bg: CSS to allow keyboard users to view skip links
yh: perhaps revise HTML 9.7 to be more general? (currently applies only to link groups)
mc: ideally, using <div> would help
yh: using headers helps
mc: using tables can also be helpful
yh: technique to hide repeated content?
yh: general technique for writing
a good title
... general technique about titles being unique?
topic 2.4 L2 SC4
yh: use spacer gif in link text so that it is not visible
<Yvette> yh: where alt for spacer gif gives additional clarification
yh: negative technique around illogical HTML source order corrected by CSS
mc: for imagemaps, area element should exist in source code in reasonable order
dm: focus order for javascript menus
yh: HTML forms, if multiple submit buttons, be sure the first one is the one you want to be default (may fit better under 2.1)
dm: breadcrumb navigation (server-side)
could also be HTML
yh: using icons and color to differentiate sections of a site
breadcrumb technique above may fit better under general
mc: techniques around use of <link> element
yh: negative technique around
breaking the back button?
... using different colors on visited vs. unvisited links
<David> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2005/06/30-sc-techniques-mapping.html
<rscano> and different styles, not only colour ;-)
<David> http://www.eramp.com/david/general/
<Becky> scribe: becky
dm: see #1 in url posted above
mc: client side validation and
scripting alert
... client side validation and add error text via the DOM
dm: validation of credit card formats
yh: gen. tech for writing understandable 401 or 404 pages
mb: provide tech. to provide a guess when desired page is not found "smart 404"
<David> http://www.realisis.ca/darcy
<David> here is myfavorite 404
<rscano> note that not all the server admin let to customize these pages
bc: techs for when move a url to redirect to correct page
mc: some of above listed techs might fall better under hear
yh: google "did you mean"
example
... provide a list of words that are similar; type 3 letters
and provide a list of choices that begin with those
letters
... use soundex codes
<LucaMascaro> Google suggest? http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en
yh: show similar search results/matches
<Yvette> yh: especially if exact matches are not found
dm: in page link from error message to field with the error
<LucaMascaro> a featured link in amazon?
cs: query enhancements
<rscano> bye
yh: gen tech. about dividing processes into steps and allowing forward and backward nav.
dm: return a new form with only the incorrect fields available
bg: alert/pup-up with "Are you sure?" and ok, cancel
dm: programmatically provide supplemental information - tooltips with addn. info or help
bc: is a bugzilla feature
yh: server side tech that allows users to log back in, see past transactions and cancel
dm: confirmation window opens to show user action has completed
yh: provide spell checking
mc: help bubbles
yh: tooltips using title
dm: do not use same words or letter combinations to begin each item of the list
yh: providing help link on every
page
... (annoying) assistant in the corner of the page
cs: html text directionality
mc: use of meta tag with
content-language
... not sure that is supported/valid
cs: text dirction: http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-lang.html#ri20040728.121940236
<Becky> mc: not sure that is supported/valid
mc: not sure that meta tag with content-language is supported
yh: tech about how to use templates - put language in just once in the template. this could also be used in many other areas
cs: text directionality also applies here
<David> gotta go...cheers...
yh: what to do if specify more than one language in header?
mc: needs more discussion
(note) we are working from mapping doc url at beginning of discussion - it may not map exactly with current draft)
mc: link rel="glossary"
bg: provide definitions via bubble help
yh: gen tech to provide hyperlinks to relavent online dictionarys
bg: provide a way to highlight important words in the content via button press and scripting/css
yh: definition lists
mc: via internal linking
yh: same techns that we already have for finding definitions
mc: expanded form presented first time it is used and acronym is presented in parends after - then use acronym in subsequent references
yh: provide search engine to look up - can be used for several of these SC
yh: tech how to mark up section titles
bg: gen tech of how to write descriptive titles
<ben_> lots of general techniques for this one - http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-WCAG20-GENERAL-20050630/meaning-supplements.html
mb: provide recommendations on how to provide the alternatives
yh: font load the document - make
first paragraph the summary
... css tech about how to make sure people notice the text
summary by using diff. presentation style
... style sheet switcher or script tech. to switch between
diff. version of a doc.
<sebastiano> I've to go, cheers
yh: make sure spoken version of text content is not started automatically in the background or only at the user's request
got thru harvesting techniques through GL 3.1
rsagent, generate minutes
<LucaMascaro> bye
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