The Gray Area
The Gray Area with Sean Illing takes a philosophy-minded look at culture, technology, politics, and the world of ideas. Each week, we invite a guest to explore a question or topic that matters. From the state of democracy, to the struggle with depression and anxiety, to the nature of identity in the digital age, each episode looks for nuance and honesty in the most important conversations of our time.
New episodes drop every Monday. Transcripts of the show are available here.
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![The real stakes of the war for your attention](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/01/gettyimages-620042762.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0.61728395061728%2C100%2C98.765432098765&w=2400)
How the attention economy is reshaping our world.
![The real stakes of the war for your attention](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/01/gettyimages-620042762.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0.61728395061728%2C100%2C98.765432098765&w=2400)
How the attention economy is reshaping our world.
![Your phone is destroying your social life](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/01/gettyimages-1241017676.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.732804232804%2C0%2C66.534391534392%2C100&w=2400)
![Your phone is destroying your social life](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/01/gettyimages-1241017676.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0.099206349206355%2C0%2C99.801587301587%2C100&w=2400)
Technology and the cost of convenience, explained.
![Are men okay? Our modern masculinity problem, explained.](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/12/gettyimages-1370773132.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![Are men okay? Our modern masculinity problem, explained.](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/12/gettyimages-1370773132.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
Why is it so hard to talk about masculinity?
![The case for not overthinking](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/12/gettyimages-612304142.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![The case for not overthinking](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/12/gettyimages-612304142.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
How to feel alive, explained by a philosopher.
The latest in The Gray Area
![America’s reactionary moment is here](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/11/gettyimages-2185178389.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.664411366712%2C0%2C66.671177266576%2C100&w=2400)
![America’s reactionary moment is here](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/11/gettyimages-2185178389.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0.0033827210608166%2C100%2C99.993234557878&w=2400)
How Trump’s Republican Party left conservatism behind.
![Does being woke do any good?](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/11/gettyimages-2149315993.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.675%2C0%2C66.65%2C100&w=2400)
![Does being woke do any good?](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/11/gettyimages-2149315993.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0.012500000000003%2C0%2C99.975%2C100&w=2400)
Musa al-Gharbi on his new book We Have Never Been Woke.
![Is America collapsing like ancient Rome?](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/10/GettyImages-1421795678.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![Is America collapsing like ancient Rome?](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/10/GettyImages-1421795678.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
Caesar, Trump, and the future of American democracy.
![Ta-Nehisi Coates on complexity, clarity, and truth](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/10/gettyimages-1496820855.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.675191815857%2C0%2C66.649616368286%2C100&w=2400)
![Ta-Nehisi Coates on complexity, clarity, and truth](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/10/gettyimages-1496820855.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0.012787723785166%2C0%2C99.97442455243%2C100&w=2400)
What the author saw in Palestine.
![Your mind needs chaos](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/10/GettyImages-1188018379.png?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![Your mind needs chaos](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/10/GettyImages-1188018379.png?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
The human mind is designed to predict, but uncertainty helps us thrive.
![Creativity as a spiritual practice](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/10/Laraaji_Vox.png?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.638888888889%2C0%2C66.722222222222%2C100&w=2400)
![Creativity as a spiritual practice](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/10/Laraaji_Vox.png?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0.041631973355535%2C100%2C99.916736053289&w=2400)
Laraaji — ambient musician and onetime actor and comic — on laughter, surrender, and transcending the thinking mind.
![Are humans the only ones that can be creative?](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/10/GettyImages-1203142294.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![Are humans the only ones that can be creative?](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/10/GettyImages-1203142294.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
Essayist and author Meghan O’Gieblyn on the meaning of art in the age of artificial intelligence.
![The climate crisis is here. We can still have a better world.](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/09/GettyImages-1869824358.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=12.556904400607%2C0%2C74.886191198786%2C100&w=2400)
![The climate crisis is here. We can still have a better world.](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/09/GettyImages-1869824358.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C5.4880108071597%2C100%2C89.023978385681&w=2400)
Our hotter planet doesn’t have to be a hopeless planet.
![Yuval Noah Harari on whether democracy and AI can coexist](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/09/gettyimages-811026980.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=15.376071088543%2C0%2C69.247857822913%2C100&w=2400)
![Yuval Noah Harari on whether democracy and AI can coexist](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/09/gettyimages-811026980.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C1.8637335777574%2C100%2C96.272532844485&w=2400)
“If humans are so smart, why are we so stupid?”
![The cost of cynicism](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/09/GettyImages-2043208999.png?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![The cost of cynicism](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/09/GettyImages-2043208999.png?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
It’s irrational to be cynical, so why is it becoming more prevalent?
![What George Orwell’s 1984 can teach us about 2024](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/08/Vox_GrayArea_Orwell_8-6.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![What George Orwell’s 1984 can teach us about 2024](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/08/Vox_GrayArea_Orwell_8-6.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
Orwell prized clear communication, so why are people misusing his name?
![Is the United States in self-destruct mode?](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/08/GettyImages-1543081864.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![Is the United States in self-destruct mode?](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/08/GettyImages-1543081864.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
The crisis is in the Constitution.
![The art and science of swearing](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/07/GettyImages-1085109316.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![The art and science of swearing](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/07/GettyImages-1085109316.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
And why you feel bad swearing around your friends’ kids, according to a philosopher.
![How the 1990s broke politics](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/07/GettyImages-1273219765-1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=17.15625%2C0%2C65.6875%2C100&w=2400)
![How the 1990s broke politics](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/07/GettyImages-1273219765-1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0.734375%2C0%2C98.53125%2C100&w=2400)
Inside the GOP’s transition from the party of Reagan to the party of Trump.
![The existential struggle of being Black](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/gettyimages-1251264834.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.799073154585%2C0%2C66.401853690831%2C100&w=2400)
![The existential struggle of being Black](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/gettyimages-1251264834.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0.19860973187686%2C0%2C99.602780536246%2C100&w=2400)
A conversation with author Nathalie Etoke on Black existentialism and the case for tragic optimism.
![What nuclear annihilation could look like](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/GettyImages-1393775179.jpeg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![What nuclear annihilation could look like](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/GettyImages-1393775179.jpeg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
“The survivors would envy the dead.”
![This is your kid on smartphones](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/GettyImages-1336588236.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![This is your kid on smartphones](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/06/GettyImages-1336588236.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
A Q&A with Jonathan Haidt on smartphones, kids today, and what the skeptics get wrong about his argument.
![The science of near-death experiences](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/GettyImages-685023099.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![The science of near-death experiences](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/05/GettyImages-685023099.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
![The known unknowns about Ozempic, explained](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25452608/1830846852.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![The known unknowns about Ozempic, explained](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25452608/1830846852.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
Ozempic has become hugely popular. Researchers are racing to learn more about what it does to us.
![UFOs, God, and the edge of understanding](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25440927/GettyImages_875509_001.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.71875%2C0%2C66.5625%2C100&w=2400)
![UFOs, God, and the edge of understanding](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25440927/GettyImages_875509_001.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0.078124999999993%2C0%2C99.84375%2C100&w=2400)
The spiritual possibilities of alien encounters.
![Everything’s a cult now](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25417731/GettyImages_1404228238.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![Everything’s a cult now](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25417731/GettyImages_1404228238.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
Derek Thompson on what the end of monoculture could mean for American democracy.
![Will AI mean the end of liberal democracy?](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25406582/682767972.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=15.726767275616%2C0%2C68.546465448769%2C100&w=2400)
![Will AI mean the end of liberal democracy?](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25406582/682767972.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C1.3711857860178%2C100%2C97.257628427964&w=2400)
Fareed Zakaria on the age of revolution.
![Life is hard. Can philosophy help?](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25384266/Crop2_GettyImages_1339615764.png?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![Life is hard. Can philosophy help?](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25384266/Crop2_GettyImages_1339615764.png?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
What philosophy has to say about midlife crises.
![Americans are hooked on the fantasy of financial liberation](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25370782/GettyImages_184321603.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![Americans are hooked on the fantasy of financial liberation](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25370782/GettyImages_184321603.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
What multilevel marketing schemes are really selling.
![The chaplain who doesn’t believe in God](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25358593/DevinMoss_Vox_LedeArt.png?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![The chaplain who doesn’t believe in God](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25358593/DevinMoss_Vox_LedeArt.png?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
A spiritual atheist’s journey to helping death row inmates.
![Are we in the middle of an extinction panic?](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25311229/1934263114.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![Are we in the middle of an extinction panic?](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25311229/1934263114.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
How doomsday proclamations about AI echo existential anxieties of the past.
![Why we fear uncertainty — and why we shouldn’t](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25277560/GettyImages_1272116889.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![Why we fear uncertainty — and why we shouldn’t](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25277560/GettyImages_1272116889.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
Expert knowledge is useful for problem-solving. So is adapting to new challenges.
![Why work is so miserable in America](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25270468/GettyImages_701055354.png?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![Why work is so miserable in America](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25270468/GettyImages_701055354.png?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
The Protestant work ethic hijacked America. It’s time for a new pro-worker ethos.
![How mindfulness went mainstream](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25172013/1495642395.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.734190593623%2C0%2C66.531618812753%2C100&w=2400)
![How mindfulness went mainstream](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25172013/1495642395.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0.10128589043509%2C0%2C99.79742821913%2C100&w=2400)
Americans embraced meditation. So did corporations.
![The philosophy of anarchism, explained](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25158500/1249487716.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.67%2C0%2C66.66%2C100&w=2400)
![The philosophy of anarchism, explained](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25158500/1249487716.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0.0050000000000026%2C0%2C99.99%2C100&w=2400)
![What our brain chemistry says about free will](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25100317/GettyImages_164848304.png?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![What our brain chemistry says about free will](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/25100317/GettyImages_164848304.png?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
In his new book, Stanford professor Robert Sapolsky argues that free will is a myth.
![The author Michael Lewis on the lessons of Sam Bankman-Fried](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24998496/1607951333.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.656830923576%2C0%2C66.686338152847%2C100&w=2400)
![The author Michael Lewis on the lessons of Sam Bankman-Fried](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24998496/1607951333.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0.014749262536881%2C100%2C99.970501474926&w=2400)
Why did so many people believe in SBF — and what should we think now?
![David Brooks thinks Americans are getting meaner](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24973944/GettyImages_499689350.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=8.6070215175538%2C0%2C82.785956964892%2C100&w=2400)
![David Brooks thinks Americans are getting meaner](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24973944/GettyImages_499689350.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C9.7355221158231%2C100%2C80.528955768354&w=2400)
He blames the collapse of moral education. But what about capitalism?
![Naomi Klein on her doppelganger (and yours)](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24950724/gettyimages_1147506986_170667a.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=12.526096033403%2C0%2C74.947807933194%2C100&w=2400)
![Naomi Klein on her doppelganger (and yours)](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24950724/gettyimages_1147506986_170667a.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C5.5246053853296%2C100%2C88.950789229341&w=2400)
Are we living through a uniquely brain-breaking era? Ask someone who went deep into the “mirror world.”
![Stuart Russell wrote the textbook on AI safety. He explains how to keep it from spiraling out of control.](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24934505/Getty_Marina.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![Stuart Russell wrote the textbook on AI safety. He explains how to keep it from spiraling out of control.](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24934505/Getty_Marina.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
AI doesn’t have to be superintelligent to cause serious havoc.
![Democracy is the antidote to capitalism](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24915384/1253330974.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=16.666666666667%2C0%2C66.666666666667%2C100&w=2400)
![Democracy is the antidote to capitalism](https://platform.vox.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/chorus/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24915384/1253330974.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C100&w=2400)
A new book explains capitalism, insecurity, and why democracy is worth it.
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