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The Gray Area

The Gray Area with Sean Illing takes a philosophy-minded look at culture, technology, politics, and the world of ideas. Each week, we invite a guest to explore a question or topic that matters. From the state of democracy, to the struggle with depression and anxiety, to the nature of identity in the digital age, each episode looks for nuance and honesty in the most important conversations of our time.

New episodes drop every Monday. Transcripts of the show are available here.

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America’s reactionary moment is here
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How Trump’s Republican Party left conservatism behind.

By Sean Illing and Zack Beauchamp
America’s reactionary moment is here
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The Gray AreaMember Exclusive

How Trump’s Republican Party left conservatism behind.

By Sean Illing and Zack Beauchamp
Does being woke do any good?Does being woke do any good?
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Musa al-Gharbi on his new book We Have Never Been Woke.

By Sean Illing
Is America collapsing like ancient Rome?Is America collapsing like ancient Rome?
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Caesar, Trump, and the future of American democracy.

By Sean Illing
Ta-Nehisi Coates on complexity, clarity, and truthTa-Nehisi Coates on complexity, clarity, and truth
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What the author saw in Palestine.

By Sean Illing

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Your mind needs chaosYour mind needs chaos
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The human mind is designed to predict, but uncertainty helps us thrive.

By Oshan Jarow
Creativity as a spiritual practiceCreativity as a spiritual practice
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Laraaji — ambient musician and onetime actor and comic — on laughter, surrender, and transcending the thinking mind.

By Sean Illing
Are humans the only ones that can be creative?Are humans the only ones that can be creative?
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Essayist and author Meghan O’Gieblyn on the meaning of art in the age of artificial intelligence.

By Sean Illing
The climate crisis is here. We can still have a better world. The climate crisis is here. We can still have a better world. 
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Climate

Our hotter planet doesn’t have to be a hopeless planet.

By Sean Illing
Yuval Noah Harari on whether democracy and AI can coexistYuval Noah Harari on whether democracy and AI can coexist
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“If humans are so smart, why are we so stupid?”

By Sean Illing
The cost of cynicismThe cost of cynicism
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It’s irrational to be cynical, so why is it becoming more prevalent?

By Sean Illing
What George Orwell’s 1984 can teach us about 2024What George Orwell’s 1984 can teach us about 2024
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Orwell prized clear communication, so why are people misusing his name?

By Sean Illing
Is the United States in self-destruct mode?Is the United States in self-destruct mode?
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The crisis is in the Constitution.

By Sean Illing
The art and science of swearingThe art and science of swearing
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Culture

And why you feel bad swearing around your friends’ kids, according to a philosopher.

By Sean Illing
How the 1990s broke politicsHow the 1990s broke politics
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Inside the GOP’s transition from the party of Reagan to the party of Trump.

By Sean Illing
The existential struggle of being BlackThe existential struggle of being Black
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A conversation with author Nathalie Etoke on Black existentialism and the case for tragic optimism.

By Sean Illing
What nuclear annihilation could look likeWhat nuclear annihilation could look like
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“The survivors would envy the dead.”

By Sean Illing
This is your kid on smartphonesThis is your kid on smartphones
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A Q&A with Jonathan Haidt on smartphones, kids today, and what the skeptics get wrong about his argument.

By Sean Illing
The science of near-death experiencesThe science of near-death experiences
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What happens when we almost die?

By Sean Illing
The known unknowns about Ozempic, explainedThe known unknowns about Ozempic, explained
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Ozempic has become hugely popular. Researchers are racing to learn more about what it does to us.

By Sean Illing
UFOs, God, and the edge of understandingUFOs, God, and the edge of understanding
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The spiritual possibilities of alien encounters.

By Sean Illing
Everything’s a cult nowEverything’s a cult now
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Derek Thompson on what the end of monoculture could mean for American democracy.

By Sean Illing
Will AI mean the end of liberal democracy?Will AI mean the end of liberal democracy?
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Future Perfect

Fareed Zakaria on the age of revolution.

By Sean Illing
Life is hard. Can philosophy help?Life is hard. Can philosophy help?
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What philosophy has to say about midlife crises.

By Sean Illing
Americans are hooked on the fantasy of financial liberationAmericans are hooked on the fantasy of financial liberation
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What multilevel marketing schemes are really selling.

By Sean Illing
The chaplain who doesn’t believe in GodThe chaplain who doesn’t believe in God
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A spiritual atheist’s journey to helping death row inmates.

By Sean Illing
Are we in the middle of an extinction panic?Are we in the middle of an extinction panic?
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How doomsday proclamations about AI echo existential anxieties of the past.

By Sean Illing
Why we fear uncertainty — and why we shouldn’tWhy we fear uncertainty — and why we shouldn’t
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Expert knowledge is useful for problem-solving. So is adapting to new challenges.

By Sean Illing
Why work is so miserable in AmericaWhy work is so miserable in America
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The Protestant work ethic hijacked America. It’s time for a new pro-worker ethos.

By Sean Illing
How mindfulness went mainstreamHow mindfulness went mainstream
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Americans embraced meditation. So did corporations.

By Sean Illing
The philosophy of anarchism, explainedThe philosophy of anarchism, explained
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Why it isn’t the same as chaos.

By Sean Illing
What our brain chemistry says about free willWhat our brain chemistry says about free will
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In his new book, Stanford professor Robert Sapolsky argues that free will is a myth.

By Sean Illing
The author Michael Lewis on the lessons of Sam Bankman-FriedThe author Michael Lewis on the lessons of Sam Bankman-Fried
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Why did so many people believe in SBF — and what should we think now?

By Sean Illing
David Brooks thinks Americans are getting meanerDavid Brooks thinks Americans are getting meaner
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Future Perfect

He blames the collapse of moral education. But what about capitalism?

By Sean Illing
Naomi Klein on her doppelganger (and yours)Naomi Klein on her doppelganger (and yours)
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Are we living through a uniquely brain-breaking era? Ask someone who went deep into the “mirror world.”

By Sean Illing
Stuart Russell wrote the textbook on AI safety. He explains how to keep it from spiraling out of control.Stuart Russell wrote the textbook on AI safety. He explains how to keep it from spiraling out of control.
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AI doesn’t have to be superintelligent to cause serious havoc.

By Sean Illing
Democracy is the antidote to capitalismDemocracy is the antidote to capitalism
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A new book explains capitalism, insecurity, and why democracy is worth it.

By Sean Illing
Is the populist right’s future ... democratic socialism?Is the populist right’s future ... democratic socialism?
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Sohrab Ahmari explains why precarity is breaking our politics.

By Sean Illing
The case for reimagining the nuclear family
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You can learn a lot from utopias, even though you (probably) don’t live in one.

By Sean Illing
The new crisis of masculinityThe new crisis of masculinity
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What’s the matter with men — and how do we fix it?

By Sean Illing
How to raise kids in the face of climate changeHow to raise kids in the face of climate change
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Even Better

A conversation about parenting, our planet, and holding onto hope.

By Sean Illing
When you can’t separate art from artistWhen you can’t separate art from artist
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Talking Monsters: A Fan’s Dilemma with Claire Dederer.

By Constance Grady
How “enlightened selfishness” can lead to a more fulfilling marriageHow “enlightened selfishness” can lead to a more fulfilling marriage
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Future Perfect

The philosopher Agnes Callard on pushing the boundaries of modern relationships.

By Sean Illing
Are you a good listener? The answer may surprise you.Are you a good listener? The answer may surprise you.
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What we miss when we don’t pay attention to others.

By Sean Illing
Katie Porter thinks Democrats have a confidence problemKatie Porter thinks Democrats have a confidence problem
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The populist Congress member from California talked with The Gray Area about some solutions to it.

By Sean Illing