Comments on: VoIP's Negative Economies of Scale https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/ Mon, 04 Jan 2021 07:37:37 +0000 hourly 1 By: Randy Alexander https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-871383 <![CDATA[Randy Alexander]]> Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:15:50 +0000 https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-871383 <![CDATA[REmember, Vonage is the VOIP provider who uses.used Aurora Adware/spyware to advertise their services. Untold thousands of XP users have had to use Win recovery or format and reinstall to get rid of that one, just Google for Aurora and feel the angst!]]> <![CDATA[

REmember, Vonage is the VOIP provider who uses.used Aurora Adware/spyware to advertise their services. Untold thousands of XP users have had to use Win recovery or format and reinstall to get rid of that one, just Google for Aurora and feel the angst!

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By: VoIP https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-816059 <![CDATA[VoIP]]> Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:10:55 +0000 https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-816059 <![CDATA[I dont think VoIP will suffer from traffic problems, since VoIP is not providing a real new technology. <br><br>VoIP still uses IP and width band, and compression algoritms: technologies that now are over 10 years old and are improving more and more]]> <![CDATA[

I dont think VoIP will suffer from traffic problems, since VoIP is not providing a real new technology.

VoIP still uses IP and width band, and compression algoritms: technologies that now are over 10 years old and are improving more and more

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By: Let it out https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-789630 <![CDATA[Let it out]]> Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:13:30 +0000 https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-789630 <![CDATA[In reply to <a href="https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-527234">J Surdilla</a>. I agree that I've heard both -- and only recently with such frequency -- but both nonetheless.<br><br>Overall, the story seems like yet another of the increasingly common and frustratingly useless wastes of media bandwidth where the writer does nothing more than demonstrate a thorough lack of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.<br><br>The VOIP providers are in "land grab" mode, just as the cellular providers of the late 90's. They're trying to get subscribers to encourage new subscribers to join, to "save" money in calls. Two to five years from now, the VOIP providers will suffer the same churn problem as conventional telecoms, then they'll embark on a crusade of conquest customers, then loyalty programs and finally they'll resort to the worst of all possible worlds for a technology service provider ... gasp ... quality of service ... oh hell of hells!]]> <![CDATA[

In reply to J Surdilla.

I agree that I’ve heard both — and only recently with such frequency — but both nonetheless.

Overall, the story seems like yet another of the increasingly common and frustratingly useless wastes of media bandwidth where the writer does nothing more than demonstrate a thorough lack of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

The VOIP providers are in “land grab” mode, just as the cellular providers of the late 90’s. They’re trying to get subscribers to encourage new subscribers to join, to “save” money in calls. Two to five years from now, the VOIP providers will suffer the same churn problem as conventional telecoms, then they’ll embark on a crusade of conquest customers, then loyalty programs and finally they’ll resort to the worst of all possible worlds for a technology service provider … gasp … quality of service … oh hell of hells!

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By: ants https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-769816 <![CDATA[ants]]> Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:58:42 +0000 https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-769816 <![CDATA[I thought that ebay just bought skype, would you expect that this service will be free forever?]]> <![CDATA[

I thought that ebay just bought skype, would you expect that this service will be free forever?

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By: Jon https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-721669 <![CDATA[Jon]]> Sun, 09 Oct 2005 15:23:22 +0000 https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-721669 <![CDATA[Free VoIP providers will run into the same problems that free ISPs ran into-the more users, the more resources are needed, and they have to be paid for by something. It's a sad but true problem-someone's gotta pay for hardware, maintenance, and infrastructure support.]]> <![CDATA[

Free VoIP providers will run into the same problems that free ISPs ran into-the more users, the more resources are needed, and they have to be paid for by something. It’s a sad but true problem-someone’s gotta pay for hardware, maintenance, and infrastructure support.

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By: soccersmith10 https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-692763 <![CDATA[soccersmith10]]> Sun, 09 Oct 2005 12:30:03 +0000 https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-692763 <![CDATA[Anyone who has had the chance to use Skype, instantly sees it value. If you already have high-speed internet, which the majority of people do now adays (and actually even if you use dial-up) you should be using Skype. WHY NOT! Free is free. You cant argue with that. The service works great and you dont HAVE to add any of the other service which cost money, Skype could make plenty of money by adding in a little ad at the top and selling the space. These guys aren't necessarily money hungry anyways. Lets not forget they are the same people who created Kazaa, which you can still use to share files. Even though it maybe a long shot to think that "everyone" will be using Skype, Im sure that when Alexander Bell invented the phone most people thought they would never have a daily use for that and shrugged it off for a while. Time will tell, regardless of the diseconomies or economies of scale that the service provides.]]> <![CDATA[

Anyone who has had the chance to use Skype, instantly sees it value. If you already have high-speed internet, which the majority of people do now adays (and actually even if you use dial-up) you should be using Skype. WHY NOT! Free is free. You cant argue with that. The service works great and you dont HAVE to add any of the other service which cost money, Skype could make plenty of money by adding in a little ad at the top and selling the space. These guys aren’t necessarily money hungry anyways. Lets not forget they are the same people who created Kazaa, which you can still use to share files. Even though it maybe a long shot to think that “everyone” will be using Skype, Im sure that when Alexander Bell invented the phone most people thought they would never have a daily use for that and shrugged it off for a while. Time will tell, regardless of the diseconomies or economies of scale that the service provides.

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By: Dan https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-676658 <![CDATA[Dan]]> Sun, 09 Oct 2005 07:41:01 +0000 https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-676658 <![CDATA[In reply to <a href="https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-229844">Mousky</a>. It would hold more water if "diseconomies" was a real word...........]]> <![CDATA[

In reply to Mousky.

It would hold more water if “diseconomies” was a real word………..

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By: Anonymous Coward https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-646475 <![CDATA[Anonymous Coward]]> Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:15:19 +0000 https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-646475 <![CDATA[In reply to <a href="https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-612548">Sonya</a>. Well, included in the price of the service, $24.99.<br><br>After your $20+ish broadband charge.<br><br>Assuming vonage's EULA contractually obligates them to provide unlimites service.<br><br>http://www.techdirt.com/news/wireless/article/5963<br><br><br>]]> <![CDATA[

In reply to Sonya.

Well, included in the price of the service, $24.99.

After your $20+ish broadband charge.

Assuming vonage’s EULA contractually obligates them to provide unlimites service.

http://www.techdirt.com/news/wireless/article/5963

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By: Sonya https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-612548 <![CDATA[Sonya]]> Sat, 08 Oct 2005 22:28:08 +0000 https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-612548 <![CDATA[Do your homework: With Vonage ALL calls are free, not just to other subscribers.]]> <![CDATA[

Do your homework: With Vonage ALL calls are free, not just to other subscribers.

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By: Brian Connelly https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-554356 <![CDATA[Brian Connelly]]> Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:00:03 +0000 https://www.techdirt.com/2005/10/07/voips-negative-economies-of-scale/#comment-554356 <![CDATA[Man people when will you start looking around you. Skype is B.S. it's all smoke and mirrors the fact is any geek worth their weight in salt or whatever pound conversion you use for geekdom....<BR>Has had free calling for years ! If you look at the opensource package of asterisk the power is in your hands! There are many other great programs but asterisk is the one I use. With it companies/individuals are hooking up every day routing calls over the net bypassing the local currupt tax systems and even more providing better services than what can be purchased from the best fortune rip you off 500.<br>Do your research people linux and opensource have opened up the cottage industries that can and are taking down the big dogs every day ! <br><br>If you don't believe it then you are be paid to be stupid. <br><br>[email protected].]]> <![CDATA[

Man people when will you start looking around you. Skype is B.S. it’s all smoke and mirrors the fact is any geek worth their weight in salt or whatever pound conversion you use for geekdom….
Has had free calling for years ! If you look at the opensource package of asterisk the power is in your hands! There are many other great programs but asterisk is the one I use. With it companies/individuals are hooking up every day routing calls over the net bypassing the local currupt tax systems and even more providing better services than what can be purchased from the best fortune rip you off 500.
Do your research people linux and opensource have opened up the cottage industries that can and are taking down the big dogs every day !

If you don’t believe it then you are be paid to be stupid.

[email protected].

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