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Introductory Episode
Trevor King

Trevor King: Hi, my name’s Trevor King. Welcome good stuff in store for you.
to Live Longer, Feel Better, Defeating Dementia,
Depression and Diabetes. This series has changed Michael Beattie: In the last series, you saw
so many lives over the last couple of years. We me return to one of the favourite places of my
are really excited to bring you the latest version, childhood: Scrabo Tower in County Down. I
with new experts and a brand new episode. The told you how I got fresh goat’s milk here. Fresh
feedback from thousands of people who have vegetables grown in the fields down the hill. It
watched this series, tells us that you want more. as a time before fast food outlets had become
More topics, more depth and most importantly, commonplace in Northern Ireland when all
more action steps, so that you can improve your my meals were fresh cooked at home. A time
own journey and live a longer and healthier when eating out was a real luxury rather than
life.

We believe that this series is everything you an everyday experience. A time when many of
need to start that journey towards a healthier today’s common ailments weren’t even heard
version of yourself. We are delighted that you of. Our lives today are full of so many advances,
are on the journey with us and it’s our sincere benefits and luxuries we didn’t have back then.
hope that this series will change your life and will But have they come at the expense of our health?
continue to help change thousands of lives across
the world. Daryl Gioffre: There was this Gallup study and it
was incredible because it was about Americans
Michael Beattie: Welcome again, everyone. and health, and the truth is that Americans truly
We’re delighted you’ve joined us for this new do aspire to be healthy. So what they did was
series of Live Longer, Feel Better. It’s certainly they analysed different things like job satisfaction,
been an exciting year for me. I’ve been traveling happy family life, religion. And amongst all this
all around the world not just across America but different criteria, what they found was that the
to Costa Rica and even to Istanbul and Turkey to number one thing that mattered most to people
bring you new experts, new information and new at a whopping 43% way above the others, was
episodes. your health. In fact, people would rather be
healthy than have their freedom, which is crazy.
Trevor King: And I’ve been lucky enough to
see those new interviews and I have to tell So, if you look at the United States, we make up
you, honestly I think they’re some of the best five percent of the world’s population, yet we
interviews we’ve ever done on the four years expend 50% of the world’s money on medical
we’ve been doing this. So, there’s a lot of really care, right? Which is very interesting. So, here’s my

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question. Number one: We know that Americans So, that’s where we’re at. And so, we’ve got
aspire to be healthy. Number two: We know that this machine that’s been extremely effective at
we’re paying a hell of a lot of money to get there. misinformation and educating people to the dark
All right? But when you look at the World Health side, if you would, or the wrong side. Not getting
Organization, they ranked the United States 37th them well, but perpetually taking chemicals.
in world health. I’m going to tell you, I can’t even
name 36 countries ahead of us. So, how is it that Michael Beattie: Over the past five years, I’ve
we want this, we’re paying a lot, but we’re one of interviewed scores of experts across the world
the sickest countries in the world? Right? to bring you the best possible advice on how
to avoid becoming one of those sick and drug
It’s because this is not a healthcare system, dependent statistics. Each expert may have a
it’s a sick care system. Most doctors are different emphasis. But they all agree that one of
overprescribing drugs. They’re basically not the key areas has always been and will always be
treating what really needs to be addressed, which what we eat and what we drink.
is the effect, but it needs to be the true cause. And
people want the quick fix. Right? We have to get Andrew Saul: Francis Pottenger Jr., a medical
back to the basics. 90% of the standard American doctor, decades ago did work with cats. I think
diet, which is labelled the SAD diet, is acidic. It’s he went through five generations of them over
inflammatory. And people’s health are paying the a period of about ten years. And he basically
price. gave them a really lousy typical American cooked
food diet. And they developed all these diseases.
Ben Johnson: What the pharmaceutical industry They developed mental illness. They developed
desires is that you get your prescriptions filled reproductive issues. They developed arthritis.
every month, every year, for the rest of your life. They developed diabetes. They developed cancer.
And then if there’s side effects, they’re actually They developed heart disease. They developed
direct effects, they’re just unwanted direct effects, allergies. They started to have dental occlusion
so we call them side effects, then we give another issues where they would need braces. One thing
drug to treat that. after another. And the kicker is, when Pottenger
then switched their diet over to a natural healthy
I love, there is a little cartoon. It was Mallard diet, and for cats, most animals, this would be a
Fillmore. If you’ve ever seen that. I think the raw food diet as well, the animals got better. Well,
author is actually a Brit. But anyway, so Mallard there you go.
Fillmore is a duck, and he comes and he asks
the pharmacist for a remedy for something. And Michael Beattie: Focusing on what we eat,
he comes back the next day and there’s these we’re bringing you some very personal stories
square pegs sticking out. And he says, and then of recovery from sickness. Jon McMahon has
the pharmacist gives him something else for just revealed his incredible journey from severe
the square pegs. And the next day he has round diabetes and significant health issues in his
polka dots. And it was hilarious because the name docuseries I Thrive. Dr. Daryl Gioffre, a top New
of the drugs was Fizzer, not Pfizer. But it was a York chiropractor and bestselling author was a
great play on words. But it was like the solution sugar addict. And in Costa Rica, Timmy Centner
for everything is another drug, even for the side has been involved in one of the top rated health
effects of the drugs, or the direct effects. films of recent times. But until now, he’s never
told his own story of obesity and recovery.

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Jon McMahon: I was 312 pounds. I had, I’ll tell you fat. Three quarters of the people in the United
the numbers first. Then I’ll tell you emotionally States are overweight or obese. That is terrible.
what it was like. 312 pounds, I’d been as heavy And a huge number are children. And that is child
as 357 pounds. But before I started this journey I abuse.
was 312. And my triglycerides were 880. For those
of you that, for metric or for the U.S.. 880 is about Ocean Robbins: We’ve got life expectancy
eight times, 800% more than what they should be. actually starting to decline, but we’ve got health
I mean high triglycerides are 200, 300. Mine were expectancy declining rapidly.
880. It had been as high as 2170, okay? My blood
was literally just pure fat, because I just ate junk Ron Hunninghake: As a result of the changes
food. I just ate out. I just ate fast food. Fast food in obesity and cancer and diabetes and all the
and pizza and chocolate and chips and that’s all I chronic illnesses. For the first time in years, the
ate. life expectancy is going down.

Daryl Gioffre: I think the most amazing thing Ocean Robbins: Well, Here’s the deal.
about kind of my health history was, at the time Unfortunately, our government in the United
I thought I was doing all the right things for States today has in many respects been sold to
my health. I was taking supplements. I always the highest bidder. Which is the food industry. We
exercise. But I had a hidden skeleton in the have policies in place that protect the interests of
closet. My addiction to sugar. So, I was going out the junk food companies.
adjusting a patient, and then I’d go back into the
room and I’d eat a Caramello bar or a chocolate Joe Mercola: As I get older, I’m over 60 years old
bar. And in my book Get Off Your Acid, I call now, I see people all around me that are younger
myself the shoemaker with no shoes because I and dying from ridiculous diseases they shouldn’t
was literally a walking contradiction. And I didn’t be.
think that I was really overweight, but I was
actually 50 pounds heavier than I am today. My Patrick Holford: What’s happening is that most
willpower was so strong that I would adjust 50, people are spending at least ten years towards
60 people a day, and I’d get through the day. But I the end of their life disabled. I mean, in the EU the
was wiped out. I had no energy. I’d get up, I’d do it average woman will spend ten years unable to
all over again. climb ten steps.

And I knew that there was something off. There Andrew Saul: And we’re dropping like flies.
was something wrong with my body. And we’re not dropping all the way. We’re not
dropping down dead. We’re dropping down
Timmy Centner: At my highest weight, I stepped slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly. We’re incrementally
on a scale and weighed 252 pounds. And I’m not a wasting our lives being sick.
tall person. So, that shocked me. I mean, shocked
me. And it made me, so it made me start thinking Ocean Robbins: More and more people are
about options. And I don’t think it ever depressed living chronically ill. A generation ago, about three
me, but it was definitely eye-opening that I had let percent of America’s kids had a chronic health
my weight get to a point. ailment. Today it’s 22%.

Andrew Saul: Never has the world been this Phillip Day: The sad fact is, and this was

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highlighted with a major study that came out There’s a serious problem out there which isn’t
of John’s Hopkins University in 2000, in 26th of going to be confronted anytime soon unless the
July, 2000, authored by Dr. Barbara Starfield public puts the pressure on. And the public at this
wherein it showed that about a quarter of a particular point hasn’t ended its love affair with
million Americans were being killed each year doctors.
iatrogenically. I love that word. I don’t know.
It’s iatros, Greek word for physician, so literally Tom Levy: I want to tell you what I’ve observed
death by doctoring. So, I’m not sure what’s more over the last 20 years amongst my fellow docs
disturbing: The fact that this state of affairs exists and amongst pharmaceutical companies and
in society or they actually have a word for it. everything else, amongst the idea of amalgam
fillings, fluoridating the water. Incredibly insane
Tom Levy: You should seek out a physician who vaccination schedules inflicting enormous
is completely open to discussing with you in amounts of harm on the public. Then having the
detail any question you have and addressing any government mandate those. I want to tell you I
medical evidence you might have found online or firmly believe there’s more politics in medicine
else. And if you have a physician or a healthcare than there is in politics.
practitioner says, “I don’t have time for that,” or
“Don’t bother me with that,” “No, all that’s wrong,” Ocean Robbins: We have tens of billions of
this, that or the other, I tell you, don’t walk out of dollars in subsidies in the U.S. that are going
that office, run out of that office. to wheat, corn, soy, sorghum. And what this is
actually doing is fuelling a drop in price to the
Phillip Day: It paints a pretty awful picture of consumer for factory-farmed animal products
the disparity between what the health industry because these factory farms are able to feed
is really producing or doing for us as against our their animals for ridiculously low priced grains
optimistic view of it. and commodities crops, high fructose corn syrup,
added sugars. So, in a sense, when you want to
Andrew Saul: Our quality of life is lousy. How eat healthy, you have to pay extra. It’s like being
do we know that? Because most people are on a fined for wearing your seat belt.
medication. Most pets are on a medication. It’s
getting out of hand. Michael Beattie: All this makes for a grim
outlook. But the good news is, there’s a lot we can
Phillip Day: Just recently we’ve had some figures do about it once we decide to.
come out on Europe, which shows that by far the
leading cause of death in the European Union is Trevor King: When we did the vitamin movie, for
not listening to politicians, it’s actually preventable both of us I think it was a life-changing moment in
medical injuries in hospitals. And when you many ways because we started to get to know all
compare that with the figures for correct drug these people personally who were health experts
prescribing deaths, this is where you’re taking the and started to realize that we needed to make
drug as directed and it kills you, again, you come a lot more changes than maybe we had known
to the same horrifying, in my view, conclusion before that. And I know you started to take a lot
that doctors and Western allopathic healthcare of vitamins that you weren’t taking before and felt
has become the leading cause of death in most a lot better for it. The niacin obviously had helped
industrialized nations. me, which is why we made the film, because the
depression was lifted to a large degree. And I had

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a growing family, still do. My youngest now 17. living in. And we actually, to some degree, even if
Katie’s married at 25, and I have two others in it’s a very small degree, can affect that, and that’s
between. very positive for me.

And you just come to the point where you realize Michael Beattie: Becoming a grandfather made
how important health is. And the fact that there a huge difference to my life. I want to spend all
are so many things we can do that we had been the time I can with my grandchildren. That’s what
taught mostly wrong things. There’s so much fires my passion to live longer and feel better.
more you have to learn. And I realize because I’m And for each of us, it takes that personal decision
a marketer, you have a lot of experience obviously that we’re not going to accept second best and
in making movies and documentaries over the last end up feeble and incapacitated for years. If we
X number of years. And you were about to retire, want to, we can give ourselves the best possible
so, it became obvious that we could actually chance of a long and healthy life. If we just drift
impact so many people, as we had done with the along accepting the status quo, things can only
vitamin movie, and hence here we are with Live get worse.
Longer, Feel Better.
Andrew Saul: It’s the worst of times, because now
Michael Beattie: And thinking of the kids and we have GMO foods.
your desire to see them grow and prosper, and
that’s why you kind of maybe want to be as Jeffrey Smith: Virtually the entire system of the
healthy as you can for as long as you can. body, from the endocrine system, the immune
system, the digestive system is compromised in
Trevor King: Absolutely, I mean, I’m 55. As we the presence of glyphosate-based herbicides.
all say, we’re not getting any younger. Things get So, that’s probably why when you look at all
more difficult. I’ve have both hips replaced, which these diseases, over 30 of them, they arise in
I wouldn’t have had if I’d known what to do years parallel with the increased use of Roundup
ago, and so on and so on. But one of the big sprayed on GMO soy and corn. So, we think that
things for me is vaccines, because I very strongly it’s not a coincidence that these graphs, which
believe that vaccines are doing a lot of damage. are correlations, not causation, we think it’s in
And the autism thing. And I know some people fact due to the modes of action of GMOs and
will turn off because of that. Well, that’s fine. Good Roundup.
luck to you, because you haven’t looked into it, in
my opinion. So, I’m going to have grandkids one Andrew Saul: For-profit businesses are messing
day. And is mandatory vaccination going to be with nature. Never a good idea. Never a good
an issue? I don’t know. But if it is, I want as many idea.
people out there to know as possible that you
really have to look into vaccines before you stick Erin Elizabeth: I think it does contribute to the
that thing in your kids’ arm, because I think it’s a obesity epidemic, eating the genetically modified
negative step. And the whole issue of government foods. We see what it does to animals. And
control of our health is going to be an issue as also people are eating animals that are fed on
well. genetically modified grains.

So yes, as I get older, I worry more about my kids. Tom Malterre: By not being conscious of our
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actually creating an environment where we don’t want dental cavities, stop eating sugar.
age tremendously faster than we did just a few
decades ago. Rob Verkerk: When it comes to RF radio
frequency exposures, microwave exposures
Ty Bollinger: One of the biggest dangers that from wireless systems, obviously there’ve been
children face today are these vaccines, especially limited studies that had to be done so that
the mandatory vaccines. So, it’s the popular mobile technology could go live. We’ve obviously
mantra that vaccines are safe and effective. Right? been working closely with the key scientists,
They’re safe and effective. It’s been said enough particularly the Swedish scientists that have been
times to where everyone knows they’re safe and at the forefront of this work. And the pattern,
effective. But the reality is as we saw in the Truth again, is quite similar. That the people who are
About Vaccines docuseries, and we interviewed, doing the predominant work back in the 90s and
oh, I can’t even remember how, almost 60, 60 early 2000s, once they shared that there were
vaccine expert in that docuseries. They’ve not problems, particularly from non-thermal effects,
been proven to be safe. the non-heating effect, they lost their funding.

Polly Tommey: I was brainwashed that this is Phillip Day: The big dangers are just in the
a doctor. He has a medical degree. He’s more banality of those little rituals we do every day.
superior than you. Go to him, and he will help you Brushing our teeth with sodium fluoride, which
with your child. And that’s the mindset out there. is rat poison. Washing our hair often in a cheap
I see elderly people having these flu vaccines and industrial garage floor cleaner and engine
that some of them are dying. They’re getting the degreasant called sodium lauryl sulfate. Spraying
flu and they’re dying. aluminium into our lymph nodes. And putting
the makeup on ladies, monoethanolamine,
Ty Bollinger: Almost every vaccine contains diethylnorspermine, triethanolamine, cocamide
ingredients that we know cause neurological DEA, lauramide DEA. When you look at what’s
damage and alter DNA. And that several of them being sold off supermarket shelves just in the
have ingredients that we know are cancer-causing personal care arena, that’s kind of frightening.
agents.
Rob Verkerk: One of the greatest single
Phillip Day: It just amazes me how these exposures can be a [inaudible 00:22:06] phone,
government departments, well fluoride’s fine. a cordless phone. So, obviously get rid of dead
I love Australia. When I tour Australia. I love phones. And at home, if you need to have a home
Australia because Australia has in my view, some phone, just put a corded phone in.
of the most beautiful girls in the world, until they
smile at you. And when you look at their teeth, it’s Michael Beattie: Where does big pharma, where
got this chalky white mottling on the teeth. They do Monsanto kind of fit into that picture in terms
are expecting 15% of their schoolkids to have of a spiritual battle?
dental fluorosis poisoning as a result of putting
this junk that they get out of the aluminium and Ty Bollinger: Yeah, they’re the devil. I mean, I
phosphate industry into the water supply. And laugh about it, but they are, whatever you want to
you go, “Well, why are they putting it in the water call it, the dark side of the spiritual battle. There’s
supply?” The answer: “Well, they’re saying it’s light and there’s darkness. And we’re trying to
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then, on the flip side of the coin, the opposite manipulated through plant breeding as well as
side, the enemy is trying to spread darkness to genetic modification to a degree that they’re very,
keep people in the dark. To keep people ignorant, very different from the heritage varieties that we
so that they will keep buying their lies and keep grow. On top of that, there are huge changes to
buying their drugs. agricultural conditions. A lot of salad vegetables
are being grown hydroponically. The consumer
Andrew Saul: We can eliminate a tremendous doesn’t know the different between those and
amount of diabetes just by having people that soil-grown vegetables.
are diabetic or having issues with this, take the
B complex vitamins. B as in Bob. The group of B Michael Greger: Some of the leading cause of
vitamins, and extra chromium, and to restrict or death and disability are preventable. Not just
eliminate as much as they can their sugar intake. arrestable, but preventable and reversible with
a plant-based diet. For example, heart disease,
Ben Johnson: What we want to do is control number one killer of men and women here in
blood sugar spikes. So, that’s called sugar, and the States. And the number one or two killer
let’s define sugar because sugar’s not what you throughout Europe. This is a disease that can be
think it is. So, sugar is sugar, of course. Sugar reversed. Arteries opened without drugs, without
is corn syrup. Sugar is potatoes. That includes surgery. Just a plant-based diet and other healthy
potato chips. It includes corn. It includes corn lifestyle behaviour. Something we’ve known since
chips. Yes, I hate it, because I love them, but just 1990, July 23rd when Dr. Dean Ornish published
can’t do it. Grains. So, wheat. That’s bread. Fresh- his landmark lifestyle heart trial published in the
baked French, oh yes. With butter on it. Oh. But Lancet, the most prestigious medical journal in
you want to stop sugar. the world, proven with a randomized control trial,
we could indeed reverse the number one killer.
Andrew Saul: In my opinion, diabetes is partly Yet, hundreds of people, hundreds of thousands
too few nutrients that we need. But it’s also too of people continue to die every year from this
much. It’s overfeeding and under nutrition. So, preventable, arrestable, reversible condition.
it’s a combination of nutritional deficiency from We have the cure. We’ve had it for decades. Yet
eating too much. And of course, with Type II people continue to die.
diabetes, adult onset diabetes, most of it is in
overweight people. And everybody knows there is Tony Jimenez: I believe nutrition should be
a pandemic of obesity as well. simple, should be practical and for it not to be a
stressful situation. Nutrition should be balanced.
Rob Verkerk: Why do agricultural scientists and What’s good for you may not be good for me. So,
medical doctors have almost no communication? it should be on an individual basis. Food is meant
Given that there is an increasing body of evidence to give us energy, stamina, and better cognitive
to suggest that what we eat and how we eat is function. So, if were eating something, even if it’s
absolute crucial significance to our health, and broccoli, but we’re feeling sluggish, bloated, that
particularly our long-term health as we age, with food is not good for us.
increasing burden of chronic diseases, I became
really concerned about dietary simplification. David Jockers: As people get upper in age, 60,
The fact that more and more of us are eating a 70, 80, they almost become more of a burden
narrower and narrower range of plant sources, to the family, because they have so much of a
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lost their mental faculties, they’re not really able power is the power God put within us. And every
to take good care of themselves. And that is such moment of every day it’s doing everything it can
a shame and tragedy, and shouldn’t be that way. to adapt, detoxify, regenerate and heal our body.
And it’s all through the nervous system.
Phillip Day: My personal food pyramid would
look something like 80% organic plant foods, Joe Mercola: God didn’t want your body to be
15% animal foods, five percent wiggle room. So, diseased. I mean, you are not designed to be
I’m invited round and somebody’s barbecuing a diseased. You’re designed to be healthy. Your
warthog, you can kind of fit that in if you need to. body, if you give it what it needs, it has this instant
repair mechanisms that just recover. And, but
Tom Malterre: What’s best for some person when you don’t, you don’t give it the nutrients
doesn’t always equal what’s best for every person. you need or you expose it to toxins you should
But in general what you can say is eat more be avoiding, then you’re going to suffer the
vegetables. Eat more whole foods. Stay away from consequences. And no one is immune.
things that are laden in pesticides.
Ben Johnson: You can still go on the Alzheimer’s
Suzanne Humphri: Don’t believe this thing about sites today and they will still say, “Oh, there’s no
we’re screwed because we’ve got whatever, sprays cure and there’s no prevention.” We know clearly,
in the sky and EMFs. It’s like we have to live with I mean, UCLA published a paper back in 2014, in
that stuff. There’s nothing you can do about that, medical time, that’s light years ago, telling you
but there’s a lot you can do about what goes into how you can reverse Alzheimer’s and prevent
your mouth and what needles go into your skin. dementia. I mean, this could be on the front page
Focus on that, because we see so many incredibly of the Wall Street Journal and New York Times.
healthy people and adults living really, really long. But people don’t know that. And doctors don’t
Don’t be, don’t fall into this doom and gloom even know that. And “Oh well, try this drug. It
thing. Do something. Get out of your house. Start really hasn’t shown success, but it may help for a
talking. Start learning. Start doing something for few months.” That’s the best they’ve got right now.
yourself.
Andrew Saul: Alzheimer’s disease in mice can
Michael Greger: The good news is we have be reversed with niacinamide, that’s niacin,
tremendous power over our health destiny and vitamin B3. And the dose used is the human
longevity. The vast majority of premature death dose equivalent of two to 3,000 milligrams a
and disability is preventable with a plant-based day. That’s exactly what Dr. Hoffer would give his
diet and other healthy lifestyle behaviours. patients. And he started doing that in 1953. In my
opinion, Alzheimer’s disease is largely nutritional
David Jockers: Literally we have three trillion deficiency.
bits of information that’s being processed every
second of every day. We have a new heart every Robert Scott Bell: When looking at Alzheimer’s
seven months. Most people don’t realize this, but and dementia or any neurological degradation
all the organ systems in our body, the old cells disease, we’ve got to understand what are the
die, new cells are replaced. And it’s all coordinated building blocks? What’s the makeup of the brain
by the brain body connection. We have a new and nervous system? That’s why I come back to
liver every six months, a new stomach lining the fats. They’re so critical to insulate the nerve
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cholesterol is. So, if people are on in their middle Eric Zielinski: Our water is just filled with
age years or later years on a statin drug, these chemicals. And here’s a problem, chemicals that
are things that lower cholesterol. I call that drug people are excreting because of the drugs that
or drug category the gateway drug to automatic they’re on. They can’t get this stuff out.
guaranteed dementia, or Alzheimer’s. So, that
for one has to be addressed and assessed and Charlene Bollinger: We were in Canada. And we
realized that the wrongful fear of cholesterol had a booth. We were speaking. And Ty was on
has created a cottage industry of neurological a round table with a couple of our good friends.
degradation that’s devastating to see. And there was a Q&A session. And there was a
woman that came up with a microphone and said,
Eric Zielinski: We need to focus on fresh air, pure “Ty, I want you to know that back last October
water, and good food. That simple. That simple. I when we released a couple of years ago the
don’t care what supplement you’re taking. I don’t Truth About Cancer Global Quest, when that was
care what drug you’re on. Whatever it is, nothing released, I was diagnosed with stage four cancer.
can replace that. I’m a minimalist at heart. I take My doctor said I wouldn’t make it two weeks.
very few supplements, if any. And typically when I Go home, get your stuff in order.” She said, “I
travel or if it’s flu season, I might load up on things watched the Truth About Cancer Global Quest at
to boost up my immunity. But the bottom line is the same time. I did what you said, and this is six
we need to minimize toxins. That is the key. months outside of that death sentence I received,
and I’m alive and cancer free.”
Tom Malterre:They’re finding residues of Tylenol
and SSRI anti-depressants and caffeine in the Ben Johnson: I’m not against drug if it works
water supply now, right? and doesn’t have too many known effects, which
we call side effects. Unwanted effects. I’m not
Eric Zielinski: What about the anti-depressants against surgery. I’m not against radiation in its
that now is getting in my body? Because you’re appropriate use. It’s just I don’t want to misuse
urinating that out. Wild. or abuse any of these things which we, I mean,
in less, a year and a few months, it’s estimated
Gerald Pollack: Drink green juices. It doesn’t by 2020 that over 50% of all cancer in America
matter what problem you have, problems get will be medically induced. That means via drug
better if you simply do that. So, the question is or radiation. We pass computerized tomography,
well why? How come? This juice is actually the CT scans out like it was candy. Massive doses of
water from inside the plant cells. So, you’re taking radiation. We know what X-rays cause. Cancer.
water from inside the plant cells to replace what’s We’ve known that since [inaudible 00:34:21] and
missing from your cells. Madame Curie. All the founding fathers of X-rays
all died of what? Cancer. I mean, why does the
Tom Malterre: What are we doing with the things lady stand behind the lead shield when she takes
that actually give us life? I call them the true the picture, when she hits the button? Because
currencies of life, Michael. Right? The things that the X-rays cause cancer. And CT scans are massive
bring us life are the air we’re breathing, the water doses of radiation. And we just, the doctors just
we’re drinking and the food we’re eating. So, if you pass these out like candies.
want longevity, where’s your air coming from? Are
you purifying your air? Is it a dirty city you’re living Andrew Saul: Intravenous vitamin C should be
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adjunctive therapy for whatever else they want Trevor King: It’s literally as if there’s no future. It’s
to do. There are those in the natural health arena you can’t see beyond the current feeling. And how
who will say, “Well, don’t use chemo because it’s does that affect you? With my kids, for example,
poisonous. Don’t use radiation because it burns. and I’ve said this before, one of the hardest things
Don’t use surgery because it’s ghastly.” And I see for me is looking at my kids and seeing them look
their point, but I don’t agree. There are some at me, and I recognize the look in their eyes that’s
forms of cancer that do respond to chemo. Not saying, “Frick, Dad’s gone again.” And that is one
many. The overall response rate is pretty low. of the hardest things.
By doctor’s own definitions of positive response,
chemo’s effective in less than three percent of Robert Scott Bell: There’s a bit of a dichotomy
instances. And this is the study that looked at with depression because in a deepest sense, it’s
Australia as well as the United States. a spiritual disconnect. But in a very real physical
sense being in the body, there are nutrient
So, tumor shrinkage which is generally regarded deficiencies, there are toxicological burdens
as the sign that it’s working is one of those signs. that also significantly impact whether you feel
And yet, tumor shrinkage in and of itself is not elated and joyful or whether you are exhibiting
really a very good indicator of where you’re going this depression. And particularly with the heavy
to be in five to ten years anyhow. intravenous metals that are so prevalent now coming in
Vitamin C works a lot like chemo in a way, because through many sources.
it’s toxic to cancer cells. The problem with chemo
is it’s also toxic to good cells. Maybe not quite as So, I look at it both ways and I can delineate them.
toxic because you stay alive, but you have the But I don’t see a disconnect too, because if we
nausea and the hair loss and the weakness, and have a spiritual understanding of the joy that
all of that other stuff that goes with chemo. With happens when you’re on purpose and on mission
Vitamin C you actually have improved quality of and connected to spirit, recognizing that there are
life. You have more energy, better appetite, and physiological impediments, to free flow of that
you actually are going to feel better right away. energy, we’ll call it, in the body. So, if somebody
has been chronically ill for many, many years, they
Charlene Bollinger: I can tell you one of our may also be depressed. Now did the depression
favourite little tiny clips in the Quest for the cause the chronic illness, or did the chronic illness
Cure. It comes from Webster Kerr. Webster Kerr precede the depression?
is an amazing man doing research for years
and helping lots of cancer patients. He helped Ben Johnson: We know that 30 minutes of
us from the very beginning. It’s on his gigantic sunshine a day is more anti-depressant than any
shoulders that we stand today. But when we drug on the market. Sunshine’s free if you can,
interviewed him we said, we asked the experts, people around you will tolerate you taking most
“If you got cancer, what protocol would you use? of your clothes off and getting out in the sun, then
What would you do?” And Webster said, “Ooh, I’d that doesn’t cost anything. Some of us live where
be excited, because then I could experiment on there’s long winters, so you want full spectrum
myself.” And the reason that’s so exciting to me lighting, and expose yourself to it. So, direct sun is
is that he’s so well researched and he now has so the best anti-depressant along with full spectrum
many testimonies of successful people treating lighting. Most of us work indoors a lot of the time,
and beating their cancer over and over again, late and so we want full spectrum lighting. Lighting is
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there are people that do it and do it very well. So various other things. His hip was hurting. He was
light, sunlight preferably. not ambulatory. And he was in a lot of pain and
pretty listless and sick.
Number two is exercise. 30 minutes of exercise
a day is again, more anti-depressant than any So, I put him on a plane and got him down
drug available. So, now we’ve got sunshine and here. And we shot him in the hip with [inaudible
exercise. That hasn’t cost you a penny yet. 00:41:42]. And they thought they had to do two
hips. So, they had enough for two hips, but it was
Andrew Saul: Well, if you want to get depressed, so much, but they put double the amount in one
just have a lot of sugar and wait two or three hip. And then of course they just dropped some
hours. And I guarantee you’ll have depression. into his bloodstream, like 100 million cells or
And the only way that people stave this off is they something like that. So, but every ailment that this
just keep having the sugar. If you keep having man had kind of righted itself, and pretty quickly
the sugar, you never get to the point where you too.
don’t have it. But that ruins your body in a lot
of other ways and here comes Type II diabetes. Michael Beattie: Mel’s father was treated at
And I’m oversimplifying this, but fundamentally Neil Riordan’s clinic in Panama with stem cells
that’s about right. The more sugar you have, the harvested from umbilical cords after cesarean
more hell it’s going to raise. There is no disease sections.
condition in the world that is improved by having
sugar. And there’s almost any health condition Neil Riordan: What I do myself and what I think is
that is made worse by having sugar. Sugar’s not going to be ultimately the answer for a lot of age-
your friend. I think of it as an anti-nutrient. Sugar related decline and age-related chronic diseases is
is basically somebody taking a sledge hammer to taking young healthy stem cells, for example from
your bathtub while you’re trying to clean up. And umbilical cord, and using those to supplement
you just don’t want to do that. So, if you get rid of what you have. Because not only do they, they do
sugar, you get rid of a lot of depression. the job of the stem cells that you used to have,
but they also stimulate what you have left to
Michael Beattie: We travelled to Panama to behave younger.
explore one of those areas where advances
in medical technology can make an almost Mel Gibson: I think it’s a miracle, and I think we’ll
miraculous difference in the lives of some very ill see bigger and better things from it. We don’t
people. Including Mel Gibson’s father. Well, if you even know. I think Neil’s even, he’s like some kind
just tell me what your father’s story is, because it’s of test pilot. He’s some kind of, and I had another
certainly a fascinating story. buddy come down with some serious illness,
and he’s like a lab rat this guy. So, I mean they’re
Mel Gibson: Well, he was pretty old. He was 92, finding stuff out that’s pretty amazing. And I don’t
and he wasn’t doing too well, and I took him to want to talk too much, but I’ve seen some wild
the Mayo Clinic in Arizona. And they said, “You things. I’ve seen people who couldn’t conceive,
better leave him here. He’s going to be dead in,” conceive. I’ve seen people with autism get a
And I’m like, “oh, really?” So, they kept him there semblance of having that reversed, and people
ten days. Stabilized him. Identified a number of that didn’t talk all of a sudden begin to converse.
problems. Just wearing out, the kidneys, he had The autism thing. People in wheelchairs who were
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injuries and stuff. So, I mean, I don’t know. I don’t inside the system. Whether it comes from the
think the FDA digs it. Because it fixes everything. entrepreneurial minds of the functional medicine
community. This is happening. There’s going to
Ben Johnson: They are as significant as the be a new era in health creation. And I don’t know
discovery of antibiotics. That’s a huge statement. who’s going to end up delivering healthcare in 20
These are miracle agents. These are regenerative. years. Maybe it’s going to be Amazon or Facebook
And aging is a process of degeneration. So, these or whoever. But I can tell you that by the fact that
are regenerative substances, just an outpouring the medical system is not really catching up to
of regenerative properties that can heal virtually this, I think it’s going to be look very different than
anything. That can restore, regenerate virtually it looks now.
anything. And it’s just going to get better from
here. Just going to get better. Because we’ll figure Rob Verkerk: I think what’s beginning to happen
out how to do it better and better. We’ve come a now is there is a genuine bottom up revolution
long way from the initial stem cell treatment to going on. There are more and more medical
now, and it’s just going to get better. doctors who are becoming very frustrated
with the situation they’re being put into who
James Maskell: What I believe is happening are retraining in disciplines such as functional
now is now we’re seeing the initiation of health medicine that apply a strongly analytical and
creation, where it’s a completely different scientific lens to the system of healthcare and
conversation. Disease management is over primary healthcare. And they’re taking that into
here, health creation over here. And they’re very their own hands to deliver a much better system
separate. of healthcare that is clearly working for people.

Rob Verkerk: With any system, wherever we are Robert Scott Bell: I pray to God all the time for
in history we have more and more knowledge. So, healing. And I’ve talked about this so many times
there’s no doubt that we have more knowledge over the years, and it wasn’t the miracle lightning
about managing our health. One of fascinating bolt from the skies, but it was being sent healers.
things about the last decade or so research is It was being sent people who would teach me the
that rather than seeing the latest research for principals that I would need to apply. And that
example in pharmacogenomics pointing in the includes the spiritual principles to stay connected
direction where we would soon all be taking blue when I had been partially connected, maybe fully
and red-colored tailored drugs. We’re actually disconnected at times. But the physical laws also
looking at a shift in which we move to consuming fall under the spiritual laws.
healthier and healthier diets, in which we can
actually individualize those diets for the needs So, if I’m to perceive that life is a great gift and
of that particular individual. And that would be that this body I inhabit is a temple, I want to
based on a combination of that individual’s own care for it. And I didn’t know that the things I
genes as well as the environment and their past was doing or that my parents were doing, and
history. The difficulty we have is the underlying they’re thinking they’re doing the best by taking
infrastructure and political systems that control me to doctors was actually harming the function
how health care’s delivered to the public. of the temple. So, in that context it altered the
way I experience life itself. And so, learning those
James Maskell: Whether it comes from Silicon principles that I could apply to healing later,
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I really had to get reconnected to spirit so that happy people. You can’t be happy. When you’re
I’d be open to the messengers, to the healers, to constantly negotiating for the next minute, “How
the gifts that were being given all the time, that I do I do it right?” Or “How do I do it perfectly?
might not have recognized the language had I not “How do I impress people? How do I make more
grounded myself in those principles first. money?” When that little calculating mind is going
nonstop, I would say peace and inner freedom
Richard Rohr: If this life is about, is the school, and even joy are pretty well impossible.
then what the great traditions in all the world
religions at the higher levels would say, it’s a Trevor King: Another thing we’re going to tell
school of love. Thomas Murton who influenced you about in episode eight is the work that Mike
so many of us here in America, he as this monk and I are involved in in India. And it’s something
in Kentucky. He said the end, I don’t know if he that actually means the world to both of us. We
used the phrase “first half of life,” but he said, “We both have a history of involvement in [inaudible
all create our private salvation project.” He had 00:50:47] in Tanzania and Romania, and in India
a clever use of words, so. And letting go of your now, and we told you a little bit about in series
private salvation project, is major conversion. one. But we have been back to India since then
Because you decide that this is the way the world and helped out with various things. But we find
has to be shaped for me to love God, or for God out that one of the schools that we’re involved in
to love me. However you want to shape it. That actually have 20 vacant properties spread around
almost always is wrong. Because it was created the county all in different locations that are lying
around your ego. Around your ego needs, which vacant. And for a very small amount of money we
are first half of life needs. can get these up and running again, and each one
of them will serve 100 [inaudible 00:51:14] kids
So again, I hope that helps you understand why every single morning and every afternoon after
I’m trying to say that the structure of the first they go to normal school. They’re able to get some
half of life is inadequate to the task, because it’s breakfast. They’re able to do their homework.
too much all about me. It’s too self-referential. If And it really changes their lives. But the most
that makes sense. So, self-emptying, letting go, important thing is that it encourages the parents
forgiveness, surrender, this is the classic language to actually send their children to school. They start
of the mystics in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, to see the value of it.
Buddhism. We’re all saying the same thing at that
level. So, let us tell you just a little but about that in this
intro.
But we all become control freaks in a secular
society. You’re irresponsible not to be. Because Michael Beattie: Along with my colleague
who else is going to take charge of things? “I’ve Trevor King, I’m in rural Danispet in [inaudible
got to make sure I make good money, and I’ve 00:17:09] southern India. Here for many people,
got to make sure I’m looking good and feeling life changes slowly. Traditions of the past can still
good,” and all that. And there’s a place for that. linger long after they’ve been rejected elsewhere.
But I think the saints and mystics would say, And some of those traditions can have tragic
“Just watch it.” Because it tends to take over and consequences. Traditions from a culture and a
pretty much it dominates the whole field. I don’t history contemporary society finds difficult to
think a control freak, I’m going to make a rather fathom. In places like this, parents may neglect,
absolute statement: I don’t think that they’re ever abandon, even kill baby girls.

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Sam Nirmal: Because of the various cultural and wisdom to the next generation.
social issues attached, having female children
were considered to be a liability. Daryl Gioffre: I know I need to do it now,
because what I do now is not just about how I
Michael Beattie: Thankfully, those traditions feel now, it’s about how I’m going to feel when I’m
are slowly changing. But they leave a legacy 70 and 80 and 90. And it’s not just about feeling
organizations like Bethel Agricultural Fellowship good. All right? That’s important. We all want to
deal with daily. Bethel may have started 55 feel good. But, it’s about the optimization of your
years ago, but a focus on agriculture, but in a health.
poorly developed area of widespread poverty,
its role quickly grew to encompass child welfare, Ron Hunninghake: If you don’t make some kind
education, healthcare, and much more. Today, it’s of a decision early on to make better choices and
baby rescue home regularly takes in unwanted to commit to better choices. Everything good
and abandoned baby girls to care for them and in life comes from commitments. And the most
hopefully find adoptive parents. important person you can commit to is yourself.

We hope you enjoy that window on India and Joe Mercola: And we’re not going to live forever,
a taster of all that you’ve signed up for. We’re but we can be like that EverReady Bunny, just go
convinced we’re giving you lots of tools to help like this and then drop. We don’t want to go down
you reboot your health. We’ve certainly talked like this and live miserable, debilitating, crippling,
about all the problems we face in today’s society. impaired ability to be mobile and move freely and
But we’ve gotten more than enough answers to functional as we age.
give you the best shot at maximizing your chances
of living in optimal health. Michael Greger: We still get hit by a car, we still
I mean, but there’s things we can do to reduce
Daryl Gioffre: What you do now, the quality of our risk. The reason that we put on seat belts is
the choices you make now are absolutely going not because it guarantees we’re not going to die
to impact not just how you feel, not just what in a car crash. The reason, because it lowers our
your weight is, but your quality of life as you age. risk. Right? And so look, it’s your body, it’s your
It’s your longevity. Right? Because we are living choice. You want to smoke cigarettes, you want to
longer and longer and longer, but the question go bungee jumping. Look, go. But, as a physician,
is is how are you going to get there? And I love what I can do is share with you the knowledge
George Burns. He died, I think, when he was 100 that we’ve got that someone in your position, in
or something like that. But when they asked him, your relative health given your background, if you
nearly few, little bit before he died, they said, do X, Y and Z, that’ll maximize your chances of
“What is your biggest regret?” Know what he said? living a long, healthy life.
“If I knew I was going to live too 100, I would have
taken better care of myself.” Andrew Saul: It’s simple, but it’s not easy. This
means you have to actually make a decision.
David Jockers: By really stirring and inspiring You actually have to do it. And you have to do it
people to make better decisions in their life, I regularly. People can take a multi-vitamin with
believe we can move in this direction where as each meal. It’s no big deal. You teach children to
we age, we’re able to age with incredible energy, use the toilet three or four or five or six or seven
strength, vitality and be able to pass on the times a day. People brush their teeth every day.

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People breathe constantly. All of these things now becoming the dominant lifestyle regardless
are things we have to do. We know we have to of where you are, even in the East. We’re moving a
eat. We know we have to drink water. We know million miles away from that. We’re disconnecting
we have to go to work. We know we have to pay from our evolutionary heritage.
taxes. There’s things we have to do. And yet, they
let their health go. Andrew Saul: Unnecessary suffering really
cheeses me off. Life is tough enough without you
Patrick Holford: So the older you get, I mean making it more difficult by not exercising and
you definitely need to supplement more. It’s by eating a lot of junk, by gobbling down a lot of
very simple. Cells are a little bit like factories. sugar, by eating a lot of processed foods, and by
They get a bit worn out, the energy factory, the refusing to take vitamins. I spend about $1.50 a
mitochondria doesn’t work so well. So yes, there’s day on vitamins, so that’s around five or $600 a
a very, very strong case for supplementing extra year. How much does it cost to be in a nursing
nutrients as you get older. home for one day? Five or $600. And we live in a
culture that will pay that much to have a person
Andrew Saul: Is it ever too late? It’s never too late kept in a hospital bed and fed lousy food, and it
unless you say it’s too late. won’t help you do that to prevent being in that
bed. We need to change that.
Daryl Gioffre: I always use this analogy: Would
you rather be happy, or just not sad? So, the Joe Mercola: It’s not that they don’t know. Many
analogy is would you rather be healthy, or just people watching this may realize that they know
not sick? Right? Most doctors have the not sick these things. This is not news. This is not the first
approach. But the problem is, are you really time they’ve heard it. They have what I call FTI,
healthy? which is failure to implement.

Andrew Saul: I work with people that when they Eric Zielinski: We just need to do our best, and
died, their friends didn’t know they’d been sick. we could talk about some principles if you want
They lived for years instead of months. What’s to, but we need to do our best to minimize toxins
that worth? And these are people that really did and to maximize nutrition, and do the best we can
not make big changes. They just started taking with our mind and our soul and our spirit to be
vitamins, changed their diet, started juicing aligned with God’s word. And I’m telling you, it’s
vegetables. They were at death’s door and they very possible.
had improvement. If you have something less
than a terminal illness, your odds are all the Andrew Saul: You can say, “Wait a minute. Wait a
better. Little steps have a big payoff. minute. I’m not going to play. I’m not going to do
this. You are not going to put me in a box before
Rob Verkerk: It’s not necessarily going to pump it’s my time. I’m not going to wait in line for my
iron in the gym for an hour when your cortisol turn for dialysis. I am not going to sign up and
levels are very lo at the end of a long highly take a number to get a terminal illness. I’m going
stressed day. It’s also about moderate caloric to get on it now.” And now’s the time.
intake. It’s about eating nutrient-dense, mainly
plant foods. It’s about having purpose in your life. Helen Saul Case: One of my favourite quotes is
It’s about sleeping adequately. So, we can see in a from Dr. Thomas E. Levy, and he says in regards
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arguably the safest of the nutrients that can be Trevor King: Absolutely, and you’ve just seen a lot
given. So, this is very comforting to me as a mom. of the new interviews that we’ve done. There are a
I know that when I’m giving my kids vitamin C that lot of good new people in there that you’re really
it’s safe, that it’s effective, and I have watched it going to enjoy. So, tomorrow we will introduce
work. After that vaccine reaction, I watched her you to someone who’s going to take the journey
return to normal. When my son six weeks old with us almost as a third presenter. That’ll be first
with RSV, I watched vitamin C get him better. So, thin in tomorrow night’s episode. So please, join
this stuff works. And my Dad likes to say that the us tomorrow, join us for the next eight nights, and
number one side effect of vitamin C is failure to let’s do this journey together.
take enough of it. So, take C, take plenty, and
as I like to say, we don’t take chances, we take
vitamins, so.

Michael Beattie: Well, we certainly hope you

enjoy that taster of what’s in store over the next
eight nights, and hope you see how crucial that
information’s going to be to help you.

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Common Sense
Approach to Health
Andrew W. Saul, PhD

Michael Beattie: Link together for me if you allergies. They started to have dental occlusion
would be so kind the 3 D’s, Diabetes, Dementia issues where they would need braces, one thing
and Depression. Three of the things that I keep after another.
hearing about more and more people refer to
them as an epidemic, depending on where you The kicker is when Pottenger then switched their
are and who it is, anyone of those could be the diet over to a natural healthy diet and for cats,
epidemic. most animals this would be a raw food diet as
well, the animals got better. Well, there you go.
Andrew Saul: I think the short answer is best
provided by Dr. Abram Hoffer, who is my mentor With that, just to start with, we now take a closer
and Dr. Harold Foster who is a very good friend of look at vitamins. Alzheimer’s disease in mice can
Harry. We all wrote a book together called “Niacin: be reversed with niacinamide, that’s niacin and
The Real Story.” Foster and especially Dr. Hoffer vitamin B3 and the dose used is the human dose
put forward the idea of pandeficiency disease. equivalent of 2 to 3000 mg a day. That’s exactly
This means like a pandemic. It’s worldwide. It’s not what Dr. Hoffer would give his patients and he
just an epidemic, it’s a pandemic. started doing that in 1953.

We have an epidemic or a pandemic of nutritional In my opinion, Alzheimer’s disease is largely a

deficiency and we can easily test that out. If you nutritional deficiency. In my opinion, diabetes is
take animals and do to them what we do to partly too few nutrients that we need but it’s also
ourselves, they get our diseases. too much. It’s overfeeding and under nutrition.
It’s a combination of nutritional deficiency from
Francis M. Pottenger Jr., a medical doctor decades eating too much and of course with type 2
ago did work with cats. I think he went through diabetes, adult-onset diabetes, most of it is in
five generations of them over a period of about overweight people and everybody knows there is
10 years and he basically gave them a really a pandemic of obesity as well.
lousy typical American cooked food diet and they
developed all these diseases. When you get down to dementia, Alzheimer’s,
call it what you will, we also have a vitamin
They developed mental illness. They developed connection in addition to lack of niacin, lack of
reproductive issues. They developed arthritis. vitamin B12. The older people get, the less likely
They developed diabetes. They developed cancer. they are to eat a proper diet, the less likely they
They developed heart disease. They developed are to get enough B12, plus they can absorb this

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well because they’re intrinsic factor production is tell is to try it and see. Well, you can do that easily
lower so it is more difficult for them to obtain it. because niacin is cheap and it’s safe and any
It’s more difficult for them to process vitamin B12 doctor or any patient for that matter can check
so B12 deficiency is common in the elderly. their blood sugar very easily. As far as overweight
goes, everybody knows what we should be doing
Extreme vitamin B12 deficiency looks clinically there, which is not doing it.
very much like Alzheimer’s disease and I don’t
think most doctors or most patients could tell the If diabetes and dementia, we have a clear
difference. nutritional connection and we’re not making
that connection real. Medicine is not focusing on
Now, the simple way to test this is to have this. It’s not on TV. Your doctors are not taught at
everybody get their B12 checked. I think if we did medical school. The pharmaceutical companies
that, there would be a quantum shift in how we are not telling you to do this either because
manage Alzheimer’s because not only could we obviously their interest is in selling in different
see those that have Alzheimer’s that also were therapy; a therapy that’s more expensive and in
B12 deficient, we try them right away. But we’d my opinion not nearly as good and probably not
also find people that are low in B12 that don’t curative. Of course, if you have a drug, the idea
have Alzheimer’s and we could actually stop it is not to cure anything. The idea is to have it so a
before it starts. person has to keep taking it.

Now, I am unaware that vitamin B12 deficiency Speaker 3: [inaudible 00:06:11]

testing is routine for the elderly and it should be
and it’s the easiest thing in the world to do it. I (silence)
just had my B12 checked because I thought mine
might be kind of high. Okay. [inaudible 00:06:19]

I’ve been taking B12 for a long time and I’m Michael Beattie: Okay. Under the generalities
getting a little older. I was thinking, “Well, maybe of the 3 D’s that I want to talk about, Diabetes,
I’m taking too much or possibly I’m getting too Dementia, Depression.
little.” When they draw your blood, they can also
do the B12 test. It’s extremely easy to do this and Andrew Saul: In general, Dr. Abram Hoffer would
they’re drawing your blood anyway so you might call them the product of worldwide vitamin
as well ask one. deficiency and he and Dr. Harold Foster have
termed this a pandeficiency disease.
With niacin, you’re not really going to do a
blood test as much as you’re going to do with This is a worldwide epidemic, a pandemic of
therapeutic trial. If someone takes niacinamide nutritional inadequacy. We’re told everyday
and they process sugar better, that means it’s we’re getting nutrients from our diet. Well, that’s
probably going to help them of diabetes. When like saying everything’s fine, everything’s fine,
some people take niacin, they’re blood sugar everything’s fine. We don’t have to raise the
levels will go down. When other people take minimum wage. There’s no strife in any other
niacin, they’re blood sugar levels will go up. countries. There’s no starvation. Everything’s fine.
Well, it’s just not true.
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You can’t declare a victory if people are dying and are you likely to but that doesn’t mean it isn’t the
this is exactly what we’ve done. We have relied case.
on a drug cure or the promise of a drug cure to
plaque … If we take a look anywhere in the world, we’re
seeing standard American diet becoming the
Speaker 3: [inaudible 00:07:28] standard world diet, there’s still people that eat
right but by golly the numbers are going down.
(Silence)
There was a time when nations like China could
Take two. be brought forward as eating correctly. When
Dr. Colin Campbell did the famous Cornell China
Michael Beattie: Okay Andrew. Here we go. study, this was, I don’t know 20 years ago or
The general overview of diabetes, dementia and so, they studied rural Chinese who had simple,
depression. healthy, near vegetarian diets and they didn’t have
cancer and heart disease and now if you go to
Andrew Saul: The big picture is the overlooked China, if you go to Beijing, you go to major cities,
rhinoceros in the living room and it’s malnutrition. you’re going to see a lot of overweight people.
My mentor, Dr. Abram Hoffer and his colleague You’re going to see them in Ireland, you’re going
and my good friend, Dr. Harold Foster … to see them in the United States, you’re going
to see them in Mexico, you’re going to see them
Michael Beattie: You want to stop because it everywhere, some more than others.
looks to me like you’re looking at the camera.
No wonder we have type 2 diabetes epidemic
Andrew Saul: I was. because that is linked at the very least to being
overweight and also to deficiency of certain
Michael Beattie: Really, you’re looking at me. nutrients.
Forget the camera.
Alzheimer’s disease or dementia, we have again
Andrew Saul: Yeah, you’re right. bad diet and nutrient inadequacy particularly for
the nutrients niacin and B12. When we take a look
Speaker 3: [inaudible 00:08:12] at depression, we know that if you have a lot of
sugar, you’re going to be depressed. You might be
Andrew Saul: Yeah. All right. manic for a while but you’re going to feel awful for
the next hour or 2 hours, 4 hours, some people
Michael Beattie: Okay. Okay. Over again. with a couple of days.

Andrew Saul: Okay. The big picture is If you have a bad diet, you’re going to be prone to
malnutrition. It’s a pandemic of nutrient have bad feelings. The brain is fed with bad food,
inadequacy. It was Dr. Abram Hoffer, my mentor too much sugar, not enough nutrients and people
and his colleague and my good friend, Dr. do have depression. We can prove this. We can
Harold Foster, who brought forward the idea of prove it in studies in prisons. It’s been done. We
pandeficiency disease and this has been of course can prove it with animal studies. It’s been done.
pretty much ignored by the mainstream media. The common denominator is nutrient inadequacy
You don’t hear this talked about on the news nor or pandeficiency disease.

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Michael Beattie: Well, let’s look first of all at less sugar. Well, [inaudible 00:12:30] because
diabetes. For somebody I don’t really know they’re not. They’re eating more sugar.
much about probably more than anything else.
In America, I’m hearing again and again it is the One of the things I like about diets, you hear
big problem. What’s your perspective on it and if about the paleo diet, which of course has more
someone has diabetes, what can they do about it? meat and you’ll hear about the keto diet, which
has more fat. You’ll read about the plant-based
Andrew Saul: It is an enormous issue and the diet, the vegan diet, the vegetarian diet.
thing that makes it a big issue is that we’re not
doing the things that would cut it down the There’s all these different diets and I’m here to
size. We can eliminate a tremendous amount of tell you that every one of them is better than
diabetes just by having people that are diabetic the standard diet that most people eat. You pick
or having issues with this. Take the B complex anyone and it’s better because all of them say
vitamins B as in bob, the group of B vitamins, an don’t eat sugar and all of them say eat whole
extra chromium and to restrict or eliminate as foods that are unprocessed and all of them say
much as they can their sugar intake. get wholesome fresh food. Well, there you go.

Now, those are three things and they’re all cheap. If we just did that and we’ve been told to do this
Not eating sugar is free. In fact, you’d save some for decades. My whole life they’ve been saying,
money because desserts are ounce per ounce, “People need to eat better.” Aha, and they don’t
one of the most expensive items on a menu. and we die.
You’ve seen what they get for desserts. The meal
is this much. The dessert costs that much. Well, This could end right now. War is over if you want
the dessert, you eliminate that, you save money. it. This is it, right here. People don’t have to buy
it and if you vote with your dollars, the food
You’d actually come out ahead and with that you industry immediately changes. All you got to do
can buy your B complex vitamins just by what you is not buy it. All you got to do is say no and we
save on not eating dessert and I’m not making this don’t. We say, yeah and we have more and more
up. sweet stuff and we have more and more diabetes
and somebody’s going to tell us, “Well, when diet
When my son was 17, he calculated that because control can’t help, there’s this drug, this drug, this
we did not eat meat that in his 17 years, we drug.”
had saved enough money to pay our mortgage.
Now, that’s a pretty interesting statement. When No, no, no, no, no, no. That’s like saying when
I tell you that you can save money by taking you’re really unhappy, there’s always suicide.
supplements, people [inaudible 00:12:09] the No, that’s not it. You have to make sure it never
supplement industry they’re making a fortune. gets there and it’s our job and it’s a serious job to
No, they’re not. It’s an industry. take what I’m burlesquing now and take it more
seriously. The answer is at hand, chromium, the
It’s a big industry but it’s nothing compared to mineral chromium.
the pharmaceutical industry and the mortuary
industry and all these other things that are If people that have blood sugar issues took
feeding on suffering and death. We put an end about 400 micrograms of chromium a day and
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divided doses with each meal, they would have amount of months. If we could then get people
improvements in their blood sugar. to exercise, get out and play, we would have an
even bigger decrease and in my opinion, if we
Now, this is something that’s been known for could fundamentally shift them over to a plant-
decades. I talked this back in the early 1990s based diet, we do even better but that one’s tough
when I talked clinical nutrition at the chiropractic but it’s not tough at all to take a B complex tablet
college. Chromium helps regulate blood sugar. every meal and a chromium capsule every meal
Everybody knows that and if you take a look and to say no to sugar. That’s easy. That’s cheap.
at people’s diets, they’re not getting enough It’s safe. It’s effective. We’re not doing it so we
chromium. suffer. I hate unnecessary suffering.

Now, the B complex vitamins. The B complex Michael Beattie: I remember we did an interview
vitamins are very, very important for our at Niagara Falls. I mentioned to you that my own
controlling and regulating blood sugar and mother had suffered from dementia and I only
metabolism without the B vitamins, the entire wish that I knew then what I knew now learning
energy metabolism of the body is thrown off. from you because you explained there are things
that we can do to prevent and to treat dementia,
Vitamins aren’t just a good idea. You need them stroke, Alzheimer’s.
or you die. A deficiency of any vitamin, a serious
long enough deficiency of any vitamin is fatal. Andrew Saul: Right and if anything, this is worse
than diabetes type 2 because people can live
What we have here are people that are in a with diabetes type 2 but with Alzheimer’s even if
semi fatal state and we call that disease. It was they’re alive, they’re not and the toll it takes on the
professor of medicine, Emmanuel Theraskin family is just dreadful.
of the University of Alabama Medical School
at Birmingham who said, “The human body is When people get older and they don’t know their
nutrient-dependent. If you don’t treat it properly, own children or they get angry, when they finally
it will die. If you don’t treat it partly properly, part die, those memories persists and wouldn’t it be
of it will die.” nice to just eliminate all that pain and suffering
not only for the patient but for the family as well.
We have this simple right-in-front-of-us answer, The answer is we can do it and it’s criminal that
which again people don’t want. The B complex we’re not.
vitamins are very inexpensive. Everybody knows
you can get vitamins over-the-counter. The This is criminal negligence and I accuse the
B complex as a group works best. It’s a team politicians and I accuse the pharmaceutical
like a World Series baseball team or a super industry and I accuse the organized medical
bowl winning football team. You need all of the professions of negligence and I’m being as nice as
different B vitamins. You can get them in a B I know how to be when I use the word negligence
complex. It’s inexpensive and people can take because some people would say murder. This is
those with each meal. the reason why.

You’ve got chromium, B complex, less sugar Vitamin B12 deficiency is clinically identical to
and if we did that, we would have a dramatic Alzheimer’s disease. You give me 100 doctors and
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give me 1000 people that are deficient in vitamin Chiropractors know this. You can’t tell me that
B12 and I don’t think those doctors will be able to medical doctors can’t know this and yet they’re
tell the difference, unless they do a simple blood time is filled with other things. It’s time that we
test and it’s as simple as drawing your blood to get back to the basics. B12 deficiency should be
get your cholesterol checked. ruled out. That’s the expression of medicine. Rule
out B12 deficiency. Everyone that has any sign of
When they’re drawing your blood, tell your doctor Alzheimer’s, any sign at all or anyone that’s over
you want a B12 test. I did. I thought I might be 60 should have their B12 checked and then we
taking too much. I’ve been taking extra B12 for know if they need more B12. Now, that’s just B12.
decades and I also thought I might be getting too
little because the older you get, the more difficult Let’s talk about niacin, vitamin B3 and talk about
you have in absorbing B12. It’s just the way we’re niacinamide. Now, this is actually new research
made. since you and I first talked in That Vitamin Movie.
There’s been more research and it was done on
My B12 came back just right, which is good but mice. They took mice with a human equivalent
I’ve been supplementing, which may be why. A or the mouse equivalent of Alzheimer’s disease
B12 test inexpensive, simple, easy. Vitamin B12 and they gave then niacin as niacinamide. That’s
tables over-the-counter, oral tablets you get a form of niacin that does not cause a flush.
sublingual B12. You just put it under your tongue. Everybody that’s saying, “Oh, I hate the flush.”
Let it dissolve between a meal. Methylcobalamin No, no, no. Mice probably hate it too. They gave
is probably the best way to take it. him niacinamide. Niacinamide does not cause the
flush but it’s still niacin. It’s inexpensive. It’s over-
Cyanocobalamin, which is more common, is not the-counter.
quite as good. You can get B12 patches. You can
get B12 nasal gel. You can get a B12 shot from The mice got the human dose equivalent of 2 to
your doctor. That will give you fast relief. 3000 mg of niacin a day. Now, the RDA for niacin
is under 20 mg for a person. So 2000, you take 20,
Thing about the shot though is it’s an you have to add two zeros to that, this is orders of
intramuscular injection and it will feel sore magnitude more. This is two orders of magnitude
because the fluid goes in there. They put in a cc 100 times more niacin or 150 times, let’s say you
maybe possibly 2 and it takes a while for that got 3000. The researcher said of the mice that got
to dissipate. You may have a sore arm for an all this niacin cognitively they were cured. That’s
afternoon but you wanted that trouble with the a direct quote from the study. That word is cured
B12 patch. Everybody has heard about nicotine and they added that you could see no sign that
patches. they ever had the disease.

How many people have asked their doctor for Now, for my money, if you can cure Alzheimer’s
a B12 patch and more to the point, how many disease in a mouse with niacin, niacinamide, 2
doctors have offered it and why not? Shame on to 3000 mg a day and your grandmother or your
them. I never went to medical school. I took a father are not getting that, well, it’s time we fix
different route. If I know this, they should know this and the only way you’re going to do it is if you
this. insist and the only way you’re going to insist is if
you know.
I taught clinical nutrition at chiropractors.

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I urge people to check the Orthomolecular Have the work done in the summer. Don’t wait
Medicine News Service did a press release on this. until winter. Don’t wait until there’s a flood of
The Orthomolecular Medicine News Service is free snow. Don’t wait until it’s even getting colder.
of charge. It’s peer reviewed. No one’s telling me Don’t wait until fall when everybody else is getting
anything. It’s noncommercial. You can go online a furnace. Get it done early. It just makes sense.
or go to my website doctoryourself.com and
you can get a link there and see this actual press This is something that we call common sense. Our
releases that we’ve issued on this and that’s just medical system is not based on common sense.
two vitamins, B12 and niacinamide and I think It’s based on disease dollars. It makes a lot of
that if those two vitamins were administered in dollars. It doesn’t make a lot of sense and that’s
sufficient quantity to people threatened with or because we allow this. We allow doctors to treat
actually diagnosed with or even severely affected members of our family without giving Alzheimer’s
with Alzheimer’s, we would see reversals of this patients niacin and B12. We allow doctors to treat
disease. us by giving us the drug and that’s our fault. It’s
also their fault because they should know better.
Michael Beattie: It just struck me recently that I
remember a few years back people talking about On the other hand, they went to medical
Alzheimer’s disease and it was kind of preparing school. They studied medicine. They prescribed
us to expect when we get old, we get this thing medicines. They’re MD’s. That’s what they do.
but you’re clearly saying there are things we can Going to your medical doctor and trying to get
do when we’re at risk or we’re getting it. Should nutritional treatment is pretty much like trying to
we be doing this? Should you and I be doing this order Chow Mein in a French restaurant.
now when we don’t have a direct indication of
Alzheimer’s? Michael Beattie: Okay. I’m going to have to start
taking niacinamide. I do take my B12 morning and
Andrew Saul: Well, I am. I’ll go get you the night.
vitamins if you like. They’re right out there in the
counter. I’m taking niacin or niacinamide, both Andrew Saul: The dose is the key. A lot of
usually every single day and B12 as I mentioned people take multivitamins. A lot of people take
earlier. I’m not going to wait around and see. I some niacin but they’re not taking enough and
don’t think we should take the chance. It seems its dose, its dose, its dose the same with B12. A
to me the smart money is on prevention but lot of people get some B12 and a multivitamin
prevention is very, very difficult to sell. Most but they’re not getting enough. The difference is
people don’t come to nutrition until the drugs between a maintenance amount that might keep
don’t work. you well or might not and that’s the twilight zone
that we all live in or taking enough, so it’s just a
I did consultations with people for decades and nonissue.
my most successful clients were the ones that
were the most desperate and that is human Michael Beattie: But then are there potentially
nature and you just have to accept it but for those any downside to any difficulty, a potential
who come to it now, they’re better off. If you think overdose on B12 or niacinamide?
you need a new furnace, it’s probably good to
have it done in the summer. Andrew Saul: B12 is really safe substance and
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amount you need to B12, even though I say a Andrew Saul: Well, if you want to get depressed,
lot, it isn’t very much, because a very large dose just have a lot of sugar and wait 2 or 3 hours and I
of B12, a really large dose of B12 would be 5000 guarantee, and I guarantee you’ll depression and
micrograms. Now, a microgram is a millionth of a the only way that people stay this soft is they just
gram and a gram is a quarter of a teaspoon. having the sugar. If you keep having the sugar,
you never get to the point where you don’t have it
Five thousand micrograms is 5 mg and a quarter but that ruins your body in a lot of other ways and
teaspoon has a 1000 mg. We’re talking a very, very here comes type 2 diabetes.
small amount of B12 even in a huge dose and
the safety record of B12 is very high. The safety I’m oversimplifying this but fundamentally
record of the entire B complex is very high. that’s about right. The more sugar you have, the
more how it’s going to raise. There is no disease
In fact, it’s safer if you take them all together. condition in the world that is improved by having
As far as niacinamide goes or niacin, I have sugar and there’s almost any health condition that
personally looked at the statistics from the is made worse by having sugar.
American Association of Poison Control Centers
again and again and again, these have been Sugar is not your friend. I think of it as an anti-
published for the last 35 years or so and there has nutrient. Sugar is basically somebody taking a
been no deaths. There have been no deaths from sledge hammer to your bathtub while you’re
niacinamide. trying to clean up and you just don’t want to do
that. If you get rid of sugar, you get rid of a lot of
Nobody is dying from the B vitamins. I consider depression.
that to be pretty safe. Biggest drawback with
niacin is that it causes a flush but I specifically Now, this is not funny because depression isn’t
mentioned niacinamide. necessarily sitting in the corner and pouting.
People also have behavioral changes where they
Oh, another thing researchers mentioned about become dangerous, where they become violent.
this niacinamide’s treatment actually it was for
multiple sclerosis because niacinamide also If your blood sugar drops and it does after you
stopped MS by the way and they said the cost of have sugar, the sugar in the body and your blood
the treatment was $30 a year. goes up and your body can’t let that happen so
your body kicks out the insulin, to grab that and
I know people that have multiple sclerosis put it away in the liver, change it over into another
treatments that cost thousands of dollars per form so you don’t have too much sugar. Your
treatment. Now, I don’t have to tell anybody body goes after that and removes it.
watching this where the money is here.
Well, the body tends to overdo that so then your
Michael Beattie: Okay, one of the difficult areas blood sugar goes down and when the blood sugar
to deal with is depression. They think if any of us goes down, the mood goes down. This can result
have gone through it or have a family member in violence.
who suffers from it, it can be really, really difficult.
Give me your take on depression. Why it seems There were not one but two studies just in
there’s an epidemic of that as well and what we the United Kingdom where they took youthful
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sugar out of their diet. They didn’t let them have man is probably the world’s foremost authority on
softdrinks. They didn’t let them have a lot of other niacin in psychiatry.
junk as well. The violence went down a third, a
third just by fixing diet. Dr. Hoffer used niacin. Other doctors have
used niacinamide. You can also use inositol
I’ve taught in two state penitentiaries and I urge hexaniacinate, a no-flush form in niacin, to treat
the inmates there to avoid sugar and have B people with depression and Dr. Hoffer’s most
vitamins and if they couldn’t get B vitamins, they famous patient was Bill W. Bill W. is cofounder of
have wheatgerm. These inmates as we talked Alcoholics Anonymous as in, “Hi. My name is Bill
about in That Vitamin Movie, they were telling and I’m an alcoholic.”
me they were feeling better. Well, that’s the
whole point. Feeling better doesn’t mean you’re Bill W., William Griffith Wilson was Abram’s patient
depressed. You want to be depressed, eat wrong. and he came to Abram because Abram, being a
That will do it. psychiatrist, was sought out to help Bill with his
alcoholic depression. Bill had gotten off alcohol
Michael Beattie: I love particularly the word you but he hadn’t shaken the depression that goes
taught me one of the guys used with you that he with getting off alcohol.
was feeling clear.
It’s been said that alcoholic strength to avoid
Andrew Saul: Feeling more clear and what would being sober. If someone is drinking and they’re
be the long-term benefits of inmates when they not depressed, when they come off the alcohol,
come out of prison and a vast majority will be well, they still have to deal with the depression
released sooner or later. You can’t kill them all and that’s one reason people might go back to
but I’m not saying we should either but sooner or the alcohol again. We have to finish the job and
later they’re going to be released. I’m just going to getting rid of the depression was Dr. Hoffer’s job
add a footnote to that. and he had Bill W. take 1000 mg of niacin three
times a day and Bill was better in less than two
Michael Beattie: Okay. weeks.

Andrew Saul: Most prisoners are going to be He thought that was pretty good so he told
released sooner or later. Some die in prison, some Alcoholics Anonymous physicians about this and
are executed, some are in without parole, but the they disregarded it. Bill actually did three major
vast majority are going to be released and they’re papers which he circulated privately at his own
going to come back to your neighborhood and I expense to the doctors of AA to try to persuade
would rather have them come back clear and this AA to incorporate niacin as an 11th step. AA did
is exactly it. When we look at depression, the first not do that and to this day they simply say that’s a
thing to do is something that cost no money at all, medical issue and that’s not for us.
don’t eat sugar and has big benefits.
Well, AA also says you have to acknowledge a
The next thing is once again the B vitamins higher power and yet they’re not a church and
particularly niacin. It was Dr. Abram Hoffer who they’re not clergymen. I personally think they
I identified as my mentor, a psychiatrist, an MD could make a comment about niacin that might
and PhD. He was director of psychiatric research save some lives and since their own founder used
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little more seriously. old given Ritalin or an 8-year-old or a 7-year-old,

we don’t make the same comment that we’re
Niacin for depression is proven in therapy and we making these kids and the drug addicts and what
have decades, literally decades of work on this. are we going to do with them?
Abram and I wrote a book called Niacin: The Real
Story where we go into this in great detail. Therefore, we have to have a much stricter
regulation on how doctors give out drugs to
The next thing to consider for depression is the young people and the way to do this is not to
problem with the current medical treatment and burden them with even more regulations.
I think a lot of people with depression now have
had it manufactured by the drugs that you’ve Being a doctor is not fun anymore. They’ve got
taken. government breathing down their back and
they’ve got the insurance companies breathing
When you take Prozac or Paxil or any of these down their back and they’ve got paperwork and
other drugs for depression, the problem with all kinds of stuff.
them is that they work and they work really well.
You will feel better fairly quickly, maybe very I talked to a lot of doctors and the vast majority
quickly and it will be nice. It will be really good for of them are not particularly pleased with the way
a while, maybe weeks, maybe months, maybe if they’re restricted from practicing. I’m suggesting
you’re lucky possibly years but what people are not more restrictions. I’m suggesting that we
going to find is the longer they take the drug, the simply free these doctors up by telling them the
less effective the drug is. You’re either going to truth, that niacin can really help their patients and
have to increase the drug or add another drug or they should spend a couple of afternoons learning
throw them out on the streets and forget about about it.
them.
It was Dr. William B. Parsons Jr., The Mayo Clinic,
It would be nice if you could just take the drug America’s great niacin researcher, second only to
and be done with it but it’s just not working out Abram Hoffer, Dr. Parsons said the physician must
and it’s especially disastrous for young people. understand niacin in order to use it and I would
You give teenagers selective serotonin reuptake challenge the physician to spend two afternoons
inhibitors and you’re just looking for trouble. learning about niacin and I don’t mean by going to
medical pharmaceutical websites on the internet
We’ve looked a lot of people that are violent or that simply are there saying eat a balance diet
young, adult or youthful offenders and we find and niacin isn’t good because it causes a flush and
out they’ve been on some kind of psychiatric drug. niacin can raise your liver enzyme test.
Maybe it’s been ADHD drugs such as Ritalin or the
others. Parsons addressed this. Of course, niacin can
raise liver enzyme test but you said that is a sign
We find out that when you give antidepressants or of liver activity not liver pathology and this is
stimulants or drugs in general to kids, it rocks the William B. Parsons Jr. of The Mayor Clinic. This is
boat because they’re still growing. With women, a medical doctor who had lots of experience and
if we say a 14-year-old girl has a child we say it’s Abram Hoffer, a Canadian psychiatrist who would
a baby having a baby but we don’t say that for a decades of experience they’re telling doctors, if
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you have an opportunity here to greatly relieve you’re really in trouble, your need for niacin could
depression with just one vitamin and I would add be very, very high.
to that vitamin C and the B complex, a good diet,
exercise but this is the big one. People that are in a good place would never need
3000 mg of niacin a day and some people that are
I have seen people that are clinically depressed. seriously depressed, might need to 10 or 11,000.
I’ve seen them turn around. Some people when I talked in Food Matters movie about a woman
they take niacin, they’ll feel better in half an hour. that actually was suicidally depressed and sat in
It has to be tried. It’s not being tried. a corner and when she got about 11,000 mg of
niacin a day, she was sitting at the dinner table
Michael Beattie: Trevor King, our friend, the and talking with her family. The doctor said you
executive producer of the films that we do has shouldn’t take that much niacin. The family said,
talked about is own depression and have you “Mom, you better not take it.” She stopped taking
come close to it? Has it been in your life, in your it. She was back on the corner.
family?
Now, it can’t be more clearer than that. You
Andrew Saul: Yes. I wrote a book called The have here everyone’s experience who has ever
Vitamin Cure for Depression. The lead author worked with niacin. They’ll tell you aside from the
though is Dr. Bo Jonsson of the Karolinska flush, which you can avoid by using niacinamide,
Institutet in Sweden that’s where they pick the remember or inositol hexaniacinate the no-flush
Nobel Prizes. form. People who have worked with depressed
people know this and people that have been
Bo is head of the psychiatric unit at a Swedish depressed and I’m one of them and Trevor is
hospital in Stockholm and Dr. Jonsson is a another, we will do better when we have the
psychiatrist and a very, very smart man. He also niacin and that’s all there is to it and when we get
was mentored by Abram Hoffer and Bo and I fresh air and exercise, we will do better.
wrote this book on treating depression with
nutrients and other things as well and in there I When we eat right, we will do better. When we
tell my own story. eat less sugar, we will do better. When we think
positively, we’ll do better. When we meditate or
I bottomed out Christmas day 1996. I will never pray, we’ll do better. When we hang around with
forget it as long as I live. That was the absolute healthy good friends, we will do better. When we
pits. Usually, when I am down, I can think of 10 keep our mind active, we will do better. When
things to be thankful for. Somebody told me years we avoid over-the-counter drugs, when we avoid
ago that was a good idea when I was child. Well, alcohol or other things that temporarily take away
I came up with five that day and I had to work to the pain but fundamentally don’t fix it, we will also
come up with five. That’s how bad it was. do better.

What I did was several things, one was nutritional, All of these things help. You just pick the ones you
one was behavioral, and I found that each thing want. Which horse do you want to sit down on the
that I did help. We just listed all these things out merry-go-round? Anyone at all. They all go around
in the book and what it basically is, is you have to and they all end up in the same place. You have a
make sure you’re taking your vitamins and maybe lot of choice and the problem is people have been
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our medical professions are not offering vitamin Michael Beattie: Okay. I was going to ask you
therapy. Worse than that, you’re being told not to about the family and friends thing because I
do it. You’re being told that vitamins are actually think some people have difficulty realizing how
harmful and dangerous. devastating depression can be. The “Oh, pull
yourself together,” kind of attitude but obviously
What’s harmful and dangerous is the drugs being that is not what is required.
used to treat depression. Vitamins are infinitely
safer. Remember, not one, confirmed, verified, Andrew Saul: What’s required is go to the store,
scientifically verified death from vitamins at all buy some niacinamide, bring it home, powder up
coast to coast in the United States in 35 years, not the tablet or open up the capsule and the best
one. Ever since they started keeping records, they way to open a capsule is to unscrew it, put it in
don’t have a single death. their food. Give them niacinamide. If they can eat,
you can get the niacinamide down. If they don’t
They had 13 allegations. None of them when we like it in their squash or they don’t like it in their
look at it carefully had substantiation. In many regular food, do what Dr. Hoffer did.
cases, the claim was, well, we don’t know what
they took but we think it was a vitamin and they One of his first patients was a child. The father
said that was it, even though they couldn’t find said, “He’s not going to take this niacin.” Dr. Hoffer
any trace in the body. said, “Then make a niacin and jam sandwich.”

This is how far the politics and the money have Now, Dr. Hoffer, who had a great sense of
gotten into this. Make no mistake about it. If humor even though he looked like a very serious
you talk to your doctor about niacin for your scholarly doctor, and he was, he had a good sense
depression, your doctor is going to say something of humor and in his books, he gives instructions
other than, “You know, that’s a really good idea. on how to make a niacin and jam sandwich. He
Let’s try it.” Yet, that’s exactly what a good doctor says, “You take two pieces of bread. You put jam
would say. on each one of them, you crush up niacin, put it in
the center and close and feed it to the child.”
The other problem is people that are depressed
are not in a position to make that request. They’re Now, some people who are purist are saying,
in the bag and when you’re in the bag, you can’t “Well, you’re recommending sugar and jam.” “Yes,
be out in the bag. You can’t see out of the bag. I am if it’s an emergency.” Did you ever hear Mary
You’re in the bag. Somebody’s got to help you and Poppins sing, “Just a spoonful of sugar helps the
that’s where family and friends come in because medicine go down.” Why don’t you want to do
you should talk to the doctor. Make sure this it? You want to save the child or do you want to
person has niacin. Try it. Do a therapeutic trial. It’s worry about tooth decay.
just as rational and far safer to try niacin as it is to
try Prozac or Paxil. First, we have to get the niacin in them then we’ll
remove the sugar and in time, you probably can
Michael Beattie: I was just going to ask you use less jam. In time, you can just bribe the child
about family [inaudible 00:44:09]. saying, “Here, take your niacinamide and if you
do this every day, we’ll go to the amusement park
Speaker 3: [inaudible 00:44:10]. on Saturday.” You can bribe and coerce children
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good behavior. find them and if you don’t, you’ll find their books
and if you don’t find their books, you’ll find their
I was a teacher for a long time and I’m here to tell websites and the website is free.
you the best advice I ever got was from a principal
that I worked for and he had a little sign, a very You have this information. It’s right there and
unobtrusive Xerox copied sign in his office on the your doctor can do a Google or Yahoo! search just
wall and it said, “Really surprised someone today. as well as you can but they don’t have the time.
Catch them doing something right.” What’s your excuse?

The whole idea that you can make the child better If you are too busy to search for niacin therapy,
and build the behavior on niacin I think is utterly well then you’re too busy. I am very depressed
and totally overlooked and this is just magical, when I think of people that are depressed and
magical thing to do. don’t need to be. It’s time to end the unnecessary
suffering and remember niacinamide does not
Niacin is that good. Kids that are ADHD, people cause a flush. It’s cheap. It’s nonprescription and
that are OCD, people that have bipolar disorder, it’s safe. That oddly enough contributes to being
people with anxiety symptoms, schizophrenia, overlooked. Well, that can’t be it. Yes it can.
psychosis, these things all improve and Dr. Hoffer
is the psychiatrist who first showed this 65 years It was George Harrison who is asked many years
ago. after the [inaudible 00:49:09] do you feel still that
all you need is love and Harrison’s answer was,
Abram Hoffer showed this. It’s been confirmed “Yes, that’s my story and I’m sticking with it.”
and reconfirmed and reconfirmed and to this day,
the American Psychiatric Association says that Michael Beattie: Excellent. [inaudible 00:49:29]
niacin has no value.
(silence)
Now, this is what you’re up against when you
talk to a psychiatrist. They’re own association [inaudible 00:49:51] for a while the benefit but
condemns this therapy. Therefore, as we said then they reverse and they will refuse to take
many years ago, I think it was Bertrand Russell, the medication, even though they know it makes
he said, “Never worry about authority because them better. Have you come across that too?
another authority can always be found.” What I
suggest you do is build your dossier of doctors Andrew Saul: Many, many times. It’s the human
that use niacin and that’s what I’ve done. condition. It’s so, so difficult to get past a belief
system. It’s so difficult to get past habit. It’s so
I have so many physicians that use niacin and difficult to get past having someone tell you to
vitamins that I have my website doctoryourself. take your bad mood pill when you’re in a bad
com peer reviewed by them. The Orthomolecular mood, you don’t really want to hear that. If you
Medicine News Services also peer reviewed by have a spouse that’s depressed and you say, “Well,
these doctors. you need to take your pill.” They’re probably not
going to respond very well to that.
There are doctors out there who use vitamins.
They’re just not many and they’re not close by but When you have a friend who’s down and you say,
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your diet. What’s wrong with you?” They’re not made it too difficult. If you do go in the internet
going to respond well to that. It’s the truth but and you do learn, you’re going to get so much
it’s not the sweet truth. It’s very, very difficult to information from people that are selling products
tolerate that. or people that are just out there to get on a
hobby horse or promote a particular pet cause
What do you do? You need to do an intervention or a pet diet, they’re own belief system or they’re
but how do you do that when people have free clouded by their anger or their experience or their
will and I’ve often wondered what it must be like medical training or their lack of medical training
to look down from heaven on this planet and see or whatever it is, you have all of these things on
this world with free will and the shoddy job that the internet that’s sort of an information landfill
we’ve done with it. as much as an information superhighway.

There was a movie, “Oh God”, many, many years I get around this by reminding people keep it
ago with George Burns and John Denver and simple and copy doctors that get good results.
George Burns played the incarnation of God Keep it really, really simple and if you keep it
and John Denver brought him a bunch of test simple, you are more likely to get compliance.
questions that some clergymen had for him to Taking niacin, breakfast, lunch and dinner is not
see if they could prove that he actually had the really that big a deal. Not eating sugar, that’s a
wisdom of the almighty or whether he was just an bigger deal but taking niacin breakfast, lunch and
impostor. dinner, that’s easy.

Denver’s reading these questions out to George If you add B complex to that, okay, now you’ve got
Burns in a hotel room and one of them is, “If two pills each meal. Well, how many Americans,
you’re almighty God, why do you allow evil on how many citizens of Britain or France or Japan or
earth?” The only time in the movie George Burns Argentina are taking many more tablets than that
gets upset, he gets upset at that, he says, “Why a day. The elderly are taking sometimes 10 to 15
do I allow it? Why do you allow it? I gave you tablets a day. I know people that are on 10 or 15
everything you need.” We have everything we different medications and some of them are more
need and it’s not enough. than one pill.

Whether it’s literal or whether it’s metaphor, look It’s not a big deal at all. Keep it simple. Niacin each
at the garden of Eden, paradise, everything you meal, B complex each meal, no sugar and that still
need, everything you need but Eve just to have doesn’t guarantee compliance.
that apple and whether that’s a metaphor or
whether it’s history, this is the spot we’re in. I remember this one young fellow who was
paranoid schizophrenic. He had been thrown out
I have seen this. I’ve seen people fall off the of the state hospital because he was too violent.
wagon. I advise them to climb back on and I’ve They send him home to his parents and you can
emphasized this with my clients for decades. You imagine how that was not working.
don’t have to do it 100%. I’d rather you did it 65%
for the rest of your life than 100% for a week or Well, in a good day, we all got together and
two. everybody agreed that he’d take 3000 mg of
niacin, 1000 mg breakfast, lunch and dinner and
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slept better. His mood was better. He came down in any way a problem. It is not a sign of pathology.
for breakfast said, “Good morning, Dad.” I mean, It’s a sign of activity. Your liver is a detoxification
he was really a different person and after some organ. It’s the biggest gland in the body. It weighs
weeks of this, he stopped taking the niacin and I 4 pounds.
asked him why and he said, “I like the illness.”
The liver detoxifies alcohol, drugs, environmental
There was another fellow. He was actually a florist poisons, all kinds of stuff. You got a busy liver. To
by profession, a middle-aged man and he was have the liver busy is a sign that it’s working just
schizophrenic and he reluctantly decided that he fine.
would try the niacin. He didn’t really think it would
do him any good but he tried the niacin and it did People need to keep this real simple and real
him a lot of good and it really, really improved doable. Stopping sugar, changing diet, exercise,
him. He really was better and he knew he was those are invasive. It’s really a big lifestyle deal to
better and he stopped taking it because he just exercise regularly. It’s really a big lifestyle deal to
didn’t want to. Now, this is free will and this is the change your diet. It is not a big deal to take niacin
same free will that can get us into bigger trouble each meal and a B complex each meal. That’s
than that. easy.

If we looked at the 20th century, it’s a history of Michael Beattie: Fantastic.

some pretty dreadful wars and the 19th century
wasn’t much better and the 18th century wasn’t Andrew Saul: It’s good exercise.
much better and we looked at human history and
we see this over and over again and as Hegel said, Michael Beattie: Yeah. It’s just lovely to do it.
“What we learn from history is that we don’t learn
from history.” Andrew Saul: It is.

I tell everybody let’s bring it home and keep it Michael Beattie: Really.
simple. If you don’t think niacin is going to do
you any good, that’s your belief but I don’t see Andrew Saul: It’s good for [crosstalk 00:57:41].
how you can have that belief without at least
trying it first. It seems to me this is a matter of Michael Beattie: Okay. Finally, we’re on to the
a therapeutic trial and it’s just as easy to take vitamin C treatment for cancer, okay. When
niacin and B complex as it is to take an SSRI or we first met, one of the first things we talked
any other psychiatric drug, any other medication about was vitamin C treatment for cancer and
for depression. Why not give it a try and there are I was reminded of that only last week when I
two kinds of people. There are those that will try it met a woman who said her son in his 20s had
and those that won’t. been completely cured of cancer with nothing
more than intravenous vitamin C. Tell me your
Remember, if you take niacinamide, there won’t experience of that and your view of that.
be a flush and I say that over and over again
because that’s the number one complaint and Andrew Saul: Intravenous vitamin C should be
when the doctor says it’s going to raise your liver used by all oncologists without exception as an
enzymes, you quote Parsons at The Mayo Clinic adjunctive therapy for whatever else they want
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who will say, “Well, don’t use chemo because it’s cancer experts in the entire world.
poisonous. Don’t use radiation because it burns.
Don’t use surgery because it’s ghastly.” I see their Vitamin C actually gets in the cancer cell because
point but I don’t agree. it’s similar in structure to glucose, the simplest
sugar, C6H12O6 is glucose and vitamin C is
There are some forms of cancer that do respond C6H8O6. It’s actually smaller, slightly smaller
to chemo, not many. The overall response rate is than glucose and glucose is very easily absorbed
pretty low. By doctors’ own definitions of positive and vitamin C is too but vitamin C gets inside the
response chemos effective in less than 3% of cancer cell because the cancer cells thinks, aha!
instances and this is the study that looked at Glucose and it absorbs everything it can that
Australia as well as the United States. looks like glucose including C and inside vitamin
C is almost literally like a Trojan horse because
Tumor shrinkage which is generally regarded as a once it’s taken in to the cancer cell, it then works
sign that it is working is one of those signs and yet against the cancer cell and in cooperation of
too much shrinkage in and of itself is not really a iron and copper, vitamin C generates hydrogen
very good indicator if we’re going to be in 5 to 10 peroxide which actually kills cancer cells that does
years anyhow. not happen in normal cells and cancer cells aren’t
normal, of course. That’s why they’re cancer.
Intravenous vitamin C works a lot like chemo in a
way because it’s toxic to cancer cells. The problem They handle vitamin C differently and fatally.
with chemo is it’s also toxic to good cells, maybe Vitamin C is selectively toxic to cancer cells. This
not quite as toxic because you stay alive but is the ideal chemo because not only is it killing
you have the nausea and the hair loss and the cancer cells, it’s not harming healthy cells and very
weakness and all that other stuff that goes with much unlike chemo, not only is it not harming
chemo. healthy cells, it’s making those healthy cells even
more healthy so the body can fight with its own
With vitamin C, you actually have improved quality in innate powers as well and that is not a joke
of life. You have more energy, better appetite and because every human being has some cancer cells
you actually are going to feel better right away. on their body. Everybody does.
Chemo, maybe.
How come only some people have it developed?
Intravenous vitamin C, definitely and the funny There must be something going on, something
thing about intravenous vitamin C is that it’s a that isn’t well understood perhaps but
little bit hard to phantom exactly how it works nevertheless vitamin C is going to nail the cancer
because vitamin C is good for our cells and cancer cells and make the healthy cells more healthy and
cells do absorb vitamin C and you think, well wait that is exactly what we want.
a minute, now that vitamin C is just going to help
that cancer cell get bigger and stronger. When people bring this up with their oncologist,
the first thing the oncologist is going to say is that,
Vitamin C is an antioxidant, now it’s going to “Well, maybe but that needs more research.” No,
protect the cancer cell but what actually happens it doesn’t. We have decades of research now. We
is much more interesting than that. As explained have studies going back to Ewan Cameron in the
to me by Dr. Ron Hunninghake at the Riordan ‘60s and ‘70s. We have studies going back to Japan
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and elsewhere in the ‘90s and 2000s and we have of non-coming together, non-knitting, something
all kinds of reports. that stops the wound from causing unhealing.

We even have national institutes of health funded If you’ve had surgery or even a bad cut, there’s a
studies on vitamin C killing cancer cells that the scar perhaps in your body but that’s proof positive
US government has paid for. We have studies in that the body did bring it together. The surgeon
Canada. They’re all over the place. The idea of made the cut. The surgeon didn’t make the scar.
using vitamin C to kill cancer cells is established. Your body made the scar because it closed it up.
That’s what your body does.
Next thing the oncologist is going to say,
“Well, maybe but vitamin C will interfere with Vitamin C reduces postop infection. It makes the
chemotherapy because it’s an antioxidant. It’s patient feel better. It reduces the risk. It speeds
going to interfere with chemo,” and the answer is the healing. It’s the surgeon’s best friend. Vitamin
and this is coming from Ron Hunninghake himself C does not interfere with chemo. It does not
and also Dr. Victor Marcial-Vega of Puerto Rico. interfere with radiation and it actually improves
They both emphasized that vitamin C does not the outcome of surgery. That’s just for openers.
interfere with chemo. There’s a bus. The bus has come through twice.

Now, Victor Marcial-Vega is an oncologist. He Speaker 3: [inaudible 01:05:42]

is a radiation oncologist. That means he uses
radiation but he also uses vitamin C and his Andrew Saul: Maybe I’m wrong but …
comment was, “Once a doctor uses vitamin C,
they never go back.” Speaker 3: [inaudible 01:05:44]

I said to him, “Have you ever gotten controversy Andrew Saul: I thought I heard a bus.
and negative input for using vitamin C?” He said,
“Only for the last 25 years,” which I thought was Speaker 3: [inaudible 01:05:46]
wonderful and he said, “But I understand because
I was them. That was me before I knew.” I’m Michael Beattie: Okay. Tell me more about
reminded of what the Dalai Lama said, “When you how this happened to me, what levels of dosage
meet someone, you say to yourself, ‘Just like me. are we talking about? We are talking about
Just like me.’” intravenous vitamin C [inaudible 01:05:59].

Dr. Marcial-Vega has that knack. He can look at a Andrew Saul: Right. Intravenous vitamin C’s
doctor who’s skeptical or even negative and say, “I big advantage is that you can get a tremendous
understand. I felt like that but I’ve tried it,” and he amount into the blood and raise the blood
gets tremendous results by using vitamin C with concentration higher than you can by using oral
radiation, vitamin C with chemo, vitamin C with doses.
surgery that’s a no brainer.
If you give very, very frequent oral doses, you can
Every surgeon knows that all they can do is take get high blood levels but intravenous vitamin C
out and bring together. The healing is done by the you can get really high levels and for someone
body and the surgeon’s worse nightmare is some that is at risk of dying from cancer or even has any
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level you possibly can. who was tired and depressed and weak and had
no appetite and was in pain and could hardly
This is normally achieved by giving people around move, getting her into the car and taking her
30 to 50,000 mg each time. They might get this on a 3-1/2-hour drive to another state to get
treatment every day or every other day or twice a intravenous vitamin C was a big deal but this
week. It will vary. daughter would not take no for an answer. She
packed up her mom and took her.
For people with certain conditions that require a
caution on this and the oncologist or physician Well, she talked to me and told me that on the
is going to test for that, you would possibly start way home, they’ve been at the doctor’s office for
lower but Dr. Hunninghake said they have never about an hour and a half and on the way home,
had a problem with anyone at all with any genetic the mother said, “Let’s stop for dinner.”
condition or any factor at all. They’ve never had a
problem with 15,000 mg of C. Now, this is the woman that had depression
and misery and pain and uncomfortable and no
Now, 15,000 mg of C is quite a lot because the appetite and she wanted to stop for dinner and
US RDA is less than 100. It’s orders of magnitude the daughter thought, “And I agreed.” That was
higher. We’re talking an enormously large amount just wonderful.
of C even at 15,000 and that’s the lowest level of
vitamin C IV’s which is safe for all people. She had improvement in quality of life in 2
hours from her very first intravenous vitamin C
When they can, they will give 30,000 perhaps treatment. This is not uncommon. This is where
50,000 a day and in some cases they’ll work-up you start. You just start. You take the rains and
to an amount that might be as high 100,000 but get the needle in the veins. You have to get the
that would not be every day and that’s only if they C or it’s not going to work. It’s not going to do
have built up a track record that the person can any good in the bag. It’s not going to do any
handle it. You do what works. good in the cabinet. It’s not going to do any good
for the pharmacy. It’s not going to do any good
Anyone giving intravenous vitamin C is going to someplace else. You have to somehow get that
do test to make sure that everything is fine. That’s done and that’s what the daughter did.
what doctors do. That’s not my area of expertise.
She simply packed up her mother and took her
The thing to do is to get started. If someone and got it done and her mother felt better right
doesn’t have an appetite, intravenous vitamin C is away. Quality of life improvement is the first
perfect and when I say get started and let’s take thing you want and the first thing you get with
an example of this one woman, she was around intravenous C.
80 maybe 75. Her daughter called me up and said,
“I want my mother to get intravenous vitamin C.” The next thing we want, what we really want is
I said, “Well, that sounds like a good idea. I’d want cure. Well, you’re not going to cure cancer right
the same if I were you. You might have to travel away and there is no certain cure. If there were,
to get it.” She said, “Yeah, we can’t find anybody we would have heard about it but if you can slow
around here.” it down, you’ve improved things. If you can stop it,
you’ve done even more. If you can improve, you’ve
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wonderful things. doesn’t have it.” Oh please. The hospital will say,
“Well, we allow it but the doctor’s don’t do it.” The
If we have a person who is having good quality of pharmacy will say, “Well, we don’t have it and we
life and a smaller tumor and a still smaller tumor can’t get it.” Yes they can. They can get on the
and they’re stronger and the tests are better, internet and they can find it. If I can find it and I
month after month and year after year, whether did, they can because they’re good at this. They’re
it’s an actual cure or merely a remission, we’ll split professionals.
hair some other time. You have to get started and
this is where people need the jumpstart. This is You have a system that will simply dissipate into
where they need the kick in the shorts. a dead loved one unless you do something about
it and what you have to do is you have to get in
The only way this is going to happen is if the there and you have to be obnoxious.
family comes together and makes it happen. Don’t
expect the patient to do it. They are the patient. You have to face them right down and you have
They’re tired. They’re the ones that are down. to say, “This is what we want.” “Well, I’ve never
They’re the ones that are weak but the patient has done it before.” “Yes, but this is your chance to
all the power in the medical system. learn.” To make it easy for your doctor, you can
download the entire Riordan IV Vitamin C Protocol
The family is second to the patient. If you can get from the Riordan Clinic’s website or from mine at
the patient to tell the doctor this is what I want, it doctoryourself.com.
is illegal for a doctor to deny a patient, a therapy
the patient wants. Read the Bill of Rights in your You can download the whole thing. It’s very
hospital or doctor’s office. They all say that. Go detailed. It’s referenced. It’s all kinds of technical
to your state’s laws. They will all say that that you stuff so the doctor can know exactly what to do
have the right to get the treatment you want. and as far as the next step, once you get the IV
going, you have time to think about what you’re
Doctors and hospitals tend to kind of shy over going to do next but that’s the power move. Do
that. They try to more or less, say well, “Yeah, but that first. If it’s raining real hard, first close the
this is what we’re going to do,” and you figure window and then we’ll talk about what’s next.
like most people would, doctor knows best. Not
necessarily if they’ve never been trained to use Michael Beattie: I remember correctly that there
vitamin C, how can they possibly know best if they was a period in your life when you had direct
haven’t looked into it. You have to. It is up to the dealing with cancer patients that we talked about
family to push. that before or maybe just emphasize that that this
is not, I mean that you’ve been close to this, that
Now, if you have a woman who’s married, her you’ve worked with these people.
husband has the power next. If you have a man,
his wife has the power next and then come the Andrew Saul: For decades, I retired from
children. That’s the chain of command here and consulting about 15 years ago but before that, I
if you get the spouse and the kids to all say, we worked with the disproportionately large number
want IV of C, it will get done. of people that were seriously ill.

Now, the doctor will say, “Well, I would but the Back then, IV C was not as well-known, not as
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a glimmer and this was coming from the late ‘70s They said, “How much?” I looked back at the other
when Ewan Cameron and Linus Pauling at Vale research and suggested 4000 mg every half hour.
of Leven Hospital in Scotland did work with it and That’s about a teaspoon of vitamin C powder
then there was the Japanese researchers in the every 30 minutes. Well, they did it. He had a timer,
early 80s and this is the very beginning of it and a clock in there and his bottle of water and his
this is when Dr. Hugh Riordan who taught Dr. Ron vitamin C, a cup and his TV remote and he took
Hunninghake was beginning to use it as well. 4000 mg of C every half hour.

Back then, it wasn’t nearly as well-known as it is His wife reported that in just a couple of days, he
now. Not too long ago, there was a physician who was able to lie down at night, which in itself was …
used vitamin C for sepsis major infection in the He had been just sitting in this recliner 24 hours a
hospital and that got a lot of attention. day practically. He could lie down.

The genius out of the bottle is Dr. Tom Levy has In a couple of days, his appetite was coming back
said on vitamin C intravenous therapy. “It is well- but the coughing up of blood ended the day or
known now. It’s just not being done,” whereas two days after and that was the one that you
before, it wasn’t well-known and that would be an couldn’t miss if you tried.
excuse for it not being done. There’s no excuse
anymore. In two weeks, he was walking around the
backyard with a walker. Now, that might not
It is absolutely amazing how well vitamin C can sound like a big deal but it sure it is a big deal
improve quality of life. I’ve never seen it fail to when the person can’t even get out of their chair.
help someone with quality of life. Length of life, it He went from coughing up blood to not coughing
depends. up blood in a matter of a day or two to being able
to lie down and eat and walk too in another day or
There was one client. I went to his house in fact. two, to being able to walk around the backyard in
His family was there. It was a beautiful autumn a couple of weeks. I was very impressed by that.
day. The leaves were falling in the backyard,
golden orange. It was just lovely and he was Now, it did not cure him of cancer but it did give
sitting in his recliner coughing up blood. He had him quality of life and that is the first thing you
advanced lung cancer and he had a red and white will see and that’s the first thing you want to see
handkerchief in his hand and it was pretty ghastly. and then we hope we can slow the disease down
and get more length of life and then we want to
The man was wasted away. He was in pain. He stop the cancer so it doesn’t get any worse and
couldn’t lie down. He had no appetite. He couldn’t then we want to improve it and then we want to
walk. He didn’t want to eat. He was coughing up cure it but all along the way here, vitamin C has
blood. It was just, just awful and the family said, a role and this is something that people need to
“Is there anything you can do?” I said, “You know, really, really adopt.
this is a pretty serious situation. You realize that?”
They said, “Yes but is there anything we can do This is not just a good idea that needs more
that could help him?” I had to tell them the truth testing. Doctors have been using intravenous
and the truth was, “If you haven’t tried vitamin C, vitamin C now for decades. We’re talking since
you could at least introduce that and see if you the ‘70s, ‘80s, ‘90s, [thousand and teens 01:18:57].
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been available for 50 years, that’s half a century. In my website, I even have instructions written by
Imagine, if penicillin were kept on the shelf for 50 a physician on how to make your own intravenous
years. Imagine if there was a cure for AIDS and it vitamin C solution. That’s designed for doctors
was kept on the shelf for 50 years. and the Riordan Protocol goes into it as well.
There is an enormous amount of inertia here and
Michael Beattie: Good. Can’t think of anything that inertia kills people.
more [inaudible 01:19:26] unless [inaudible
01:19:27] he need to say? Michael Beattie: Okay. Wrap?

Andrew Saul: No, the key here is there is more Speaker 3: Okay.
to it than just this but this is where they need
to start. They should also look at the Gerson
Therapy, nutritional therapy. There’s all kinds of
other things but the one thing that they can do
right away is absolutely insist on IV vitamin C and
there’s no doctor in the world who can’t run an IV.

First thing they do when they you go into a

hospital, they slap an IV in you. Tap in another bag
of vitamin C. “Well, we don’t have any.” “Well, get
some.” “But our pharmacy doesn’t know where?”
Come on, come on, come on.

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Rebuilding from the Inside

Out
Daniel Nuzum, NMD, DO

Michael Beattie: Well, Dr. Nuzum, fantastic Michael Beattie: So what disciplines have you
to be interviewing you because I find you are followed? Tell me where you are with those.
fascinating man. Start off by telling me about the
seven PhDs. Dr Dan Nuzum: Well, I’ve been in martial arts
since I was five-years-old. I had some problems
Dr Dan Nuzum: Okay. So I... Let’s see here. I with bullies in the neighborhood when I was little
entered doctoral school in 2000. I graduated in and my dad said, “Well, boy, you obviously can’t
2004 with a PhD in naturopathic medicine. I was outrun them, so we’re going to put you in martial
also a professor at that point of naturopathic arts.” And he made me a little barbell that had
medicine. A PhD in mechanotherapy, which is the some five pound weights on the end of it, and
naturopathic physical medicine. And I also had I had to do my exercises with the barbell every
the option, the opportunity really, to test out of a day. And I went to Kung Fu class in... it was a long
PhD in natural medicine at that point. So I did all time ago at this point, almost 40 years ago at this
the exams and passed and was given an honorary point. And I’ve been practicing and now I am a 6th
PhD in natural medicine at that point. That was all degree black belt in Kosho-ryū Kempo Jujitsu and
in 2004. a 7th degree black belt in Jeet Kune Do.

In... Let’s see here. Moving forward in 2010, I Michael Beattie: And another of the fascinating
graduated with my PhD in indigenous medicine. things is, apart from that, you also have a very
2012, my PhD in monastic medicine. Then I went active spiritual life.
on to 2018, graduated with my PhD in theology,
and then just this year I finished, finally finished, Dr Dan Nuzum: Yes. Yes. I was ordained an
I’ve been in school for this one about three years. Eastern Orthodox priest in 2002. I was placed
I got my PhD in osteopathic physical medicine and over the Monastic Medical Order of St. Luke, the
clinical rehab. primary medical missions order of the Eastern
Orthodox church in 2014.
Michael Beattie: Wow! And on top of all this,
you haven’t let the physical activities fall by the Michael Beattie: You have a particular ministry
wayside. to the Cherokee, I understand?

Dr Dan Nuzum: No. No, it’s important. And this is Dr Dan Nuzum: Yes. Yes. I am now serving the
the only vehicle you get, and so if you don’t take Southern Cherokee Nation, as their minister of
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their individual health, but also health as a nation Things that irritated your body. Could have been
and with multiple health related projects where a bad relationship, could have been a traumatic
we’re trying to help other nations with everything experience, nutritional deficiencies, metal
from growing cannabis, and we have multiple toxicities, chemical toxicities, mold, parasites,
hemp projects and developing alternative cancers infections, all these different things causing
treatment centers, and the centers for treating irritation in your body.
chronic diseases.
When you have multiple irritants present in your
Michael Beattie: So you’re the Cherokee’s chief body at one time, your body’s in a continuous...
medicine man? it’s called a positive feedback loop. And a
positive feedback loop starts, it goes through
Dr Dan Nuzum: Yes. I’m their chief medicine man. its cycle, ends, and then starts over again. So
it’s a continuous cycle, right? So the body’s in a
Michael Beattie: Absolutely fascinating. I don’t positive feedback loop of constant stimulation of
know how you pack it all in. Now we’re here at an inflammatory response. So this inflammatory
the [inaudible 00:04:07] Cancer Event and you response is constantly being triggered over and
have quite a substantial background and... well, over and over. So when an infection is triggering
I’m just going to say that, but all sorts of areas. this inflammatory response, the body resolves
What would you say would be the most important that to a point, but then you have this heavy metal
thing or amongst the most important things that that then triggers it again. And then you have a
someone should think about if they have a cancer bad relationship over here, which triggers it again.
diagnosis? How they progress, what they do if And so you have all these multiple factors that
they get a cancer diagnosis? converge on your immune system and just crush
it.
Dr Dan Nuzum: The major thing, here’s what
I would tell any patient is that, cancer wasn’t Any person that has chronic inflammation, sets
caused by one thing. Your immune system is so up the perfect environment to grow an infection. I
well designed, is the best defense mechanism use the example, if we took a bucket, a brand new
ever designed. In order for that to collapse into bucket, and we sterilize it and we fill it with pure
MIS, a tumor growing, there had been multiple water, but we put it out next to the highway for six
factors, chronic stress, chronic nutritional weeks and we leave it there, water is an adhesive
deficiencies, chronic toxicity, chronic infections. All liquid. So things stick to it and it will stick to things,
of these different things had to have been present right? Well, if you take that water and stick it in
in order to create the environment for your body the bucket, put it out next to the expressway,
to grow a tumor. So this is something, in essence, six weeks later, it’s going to be full of everything.
has been cultivated by all of these other factors Everything, all the chemicals from the cars, all
that brought together this environment, that is an the waste, everything in the air, there’ll be things
environment for growing tumors. growing in that water that you don’t want to ever
consume, because it’s water.
What has to happen is we have to diffuse that
bomb, and there’s steps, there’s very defined Well, your body is 70% water, and water doesn’t
steps, to diffusing that bomb. First though, we act any different in that bucket or in your body.
have to understand how this all developed. And It’s still water. And matter of fact, in our body it
the first thing is what I just described, irritants. becomes a crystalline substance and it’s stickier.

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So it’s more adhesive. So if water is acting that order for this to get better is you have to stop the
way and the water in the bucket is stagnant, it’s bleeding. No bleeding wound will ever heal, right?
not moving, which is why it’s easy to contaminate,
if you have swelling in your body, that stagnant Next, you have dirt and rust in the wound. Well,
water, it’s easy to contaminate. there’s another rule that says no dirty wound
will ever heal. Therefore, you have to cleanse it.
Therefore, anyone who has multiple irritations You have to detoxify that wound. Now, once you
that are triggering massive inflammatory have that properly cleansed, you have to fortify it.
responses in their bodies every day, 24/7, all year You put a bandage on it, and that helps. It holds
long, it gets in this position where they’re easy to it together, supports it. In a chronic disease, first
infect, they’ll pick up anything. And sometimes thing you have to do is you have to get the system
they won’t have symptoms from it, although the somewhat operational. When I have a patient
microbe will be there. And the main reason why come to see me and they’ve been sick for 20
they don’t have symptoms is their body is already years, we do different tests, the first thing that we
having an inflammatory response to all these notice is their gut doesn’t work and they’re allergic
other factors in their life, it doesn’t have time to to everything they eat because their gut doesn’t
have a response to this microbe. work.

Therefore, the infection permeates their system. The next thing we find is they’re deficient in
Is not until it’s potentially lethal that their body almost everything. They’re nutritionally deficient.
has a response to it and then all of a sudden they As a result of being nutritionally deficient, they’re
caught this condition. They may have had it for also toxic. So our body only has X amount of
years. I call it the three Is. So you have irritation, square footage. There’s only so many square
brings on inflammation, inflammation leaves you centimeters for you guys in Europe, right? So
open to infection. So that’s how this all develops. there’s only so much square space within our
body. And so if that measurement is filled with
Michael Beattie: And that’s not just cancer, that’s nutrients, there’s no place for toxins. If you’re
a general rule in the body. missing nutrients, your toxins plunge. You just
have empty space to get filled up with whatever.
Dr Dan Nuzum: Exactly, this is every chronic So that’s what we see in chronically ill people.
disease. Any chronic disease will have all three
of those components. You’ll have an irritation or So before the body can deal with those toxins, you
toxicity component or a trauma component. You’ll have to get some of the nuts and bolts back into
have an inflammatory response to those things the machinery and that’s your nutrients. You have
that’s going on. And then you’ll find infection. to get nutrients back into the person and you
Every chronic disease has all three factors. have to get their digestive track working. Those
are step one, and I call that stabilization.
The beautiful thing on this is that within this
process there’s also a design of a way out of this. Michael Beattie: Okay. Keep me going through
We have a side door, it’s a beautiful thing. And the stages. As you see, I’m kind of thinking back to
that is the body is designed to fix itself and it has my own sister who died from colon cancer a few
a very, very observable process if you actually years ago before I knew anything about this area
take time to look at it. If you cut your finger with that I have since discovered, and I always think of
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most people would have to a cancer diagnosis. need to move forward with. If you don’t have
peace, do not move forward.” And that amazingly
Dr Dan Nuzum: Sure. works very well.

Michael Beattie: I mean, immediately defeat Michael Beattie: Do you know? Your mention
comes in. You think, “This is it, this is the end.” of the ball court just gave me a picture that I
interviewed a fantastic man. I’m sure you’ve come
Dr Dan Nuzum: Is the end. Right. across him, Victor Vega, Dr. Victor Vega-

Michael Beattie: How would you encourage Dr Dan Nuzum: Oh, yes.
people to look at it?
Michael Beattie: Trained as an oncologist, I
Dr Dan Nuzum: Right. Right. If I was given that remember him saying to me, I’ll never forget it.
diagnosis right now, tenacity has to kick in. Your He was trained to cut, burn and poison, but he
indomitable spirit has to step up because we changed to the other end of the ball court and
have to find a remedy. There is. There’s literally he now sees things much differently. So he, in
thousands of remedies to cancer. There’s not a an interview with him, he was so encouraging to
cure, there’s thousands of cures. They’re readily listen to because people generally think cut, burn
available also if you know who to talk too and and poison, and that’s all you can do with cancer.
that’s usually the problem, you go talk to the But of course, you and lots of others are showing
wrong person. You talk to a surgeon, what’s his that there are other options.
recommendation going to be? You talk to an
oncologist, what’s he going to recommend? So if Dr Dan Nuzum: Right. Right. I presently, today,
you talk to these people, they’re going to give you this one’s close to home. It’s my mother-in-
what they’re trained to give you. If your car engine law who... Sorry. My mother-in-law, today was
dies and you go to the tire shop, what advice are diagnosed with ductal carcinoma eight weeks ago.
you going to get? I’m sorry, today, 10 weeks ago. It was 10 weeks
ago. She started on my protocols with me 10
So, first off, I wouldn’t accept one opinion. Don’t weeks ago. She just had scans two days before
accept the first opinion. If they say, “Okay, you we arrived at this conference. Her tumor, her five
have this diagnosis.” Okay, thank you. That’s nice centimeter tumor, has reduced to 1.5 millimeters
information. I’m going to go talk to this person in 10 weeks.
over here, at least someone on the other side of
the ball court, if you will, and see what are they The real magic in this is whether or not you can
going to tell me. Let me see what they have to say get it to work with your family. If you can get it to
and let’s compare the two and let’s move forward work with your family, you can get it worked with
with whatever sets right with you. I have people anybody. You ask any doctor, they’ll tell you the
pray, I do. I have people pray. They come to see same thing. If it works with your family, it works.
me, “Doc, I’ve had this diagnosis.” I’ll give them my Period. My mother-in-law came into this with a
opinion and I’ll tell them, “Now go home and pray terrible, terrible history. Did not care for herself
about it. Don’t make a decision right away. Pray very well at all, smoked three packs of cigarettes
about it. a day. She’s smoked one cigarette a day now.
She’s like, “Can I just have one?” It’s like, “Well,
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going to want that either.” And she’s like, “I believe back and finds the house empty, nice and clean,
you.” Because from where she was 10 weeks ago not only does he move in, he brings seven of his
to where she is today, she says, “I feel 20 years buddies with them.”
younger. How’d that happen in 10 weeks?”
So just getting someone’s tumor to resolve,
Michael Beattie: Well, give me an idea of some of just making a tumor go away, just getting their
the elements at least of your protocol. infection to go away, just getting their toxicity
to go away, isn’t enough. Remember we have
Dr Dan Nuzum: Oh, sure, sure, sure, I will. We three steps. We have that stabilization step
used whole foods. Raw foods as much as possible. where they’re able to start healing. We have
In her case we did allow for some fish, some the detoxification step where we get rid of the
chickens, some turkeys, some of the not so heavy tumor, we get rid of the toxicity, we get rid
meats. She was juicing twice a day. She was doing of the infection. Well, if we don’t move on to
coffee enema at least twice a day. She was using the fortification step, we’re leaving the castle
quite a few of my products, virtually all of my unfortified. And if the defenses aren’t fortified, the
products at this point. I also have some special, demons come back.
some specific things that we only use with our
really, really ill patients. So she was on some of Michael Beattie: How do you then deal with
those remedies. She was using large amounts of people who don’t have a spiritual experience, who
our enzymes, large amounts of our probiotics. don’t have belief? How important? You’ve talked
And then our fulvic acid was paramount to her about getting this indomitable spirit-
protocol.
Dr Dan Nuzum: Indomitable spirit, right.
Interestingly enough is this is the time. If you
think of the time lapse there, we’re talking less Michael Beattie: How significant, how important,
than three months she had a 5000% reduction is that spiritual psychological side of things? How
in her tumor. Her bowel habits prior to this, she do you explain that?
required a pharmaceutical grade laxative in order
to go to the bathroom every other day. Now her Dr Dan Nuzum: It’s pivotal. I think it’s very, very
bowels are moving by themselves twice a day. So pivotal. When we are disconnected from our
we’ve healed her gut also, not just the breast, the creator, we have no connection to our source,
cancer in her breast, it’s her whole body is healing. where we came from, when that’s not connected,
Her whole body is rejuvenating, and that’s what we’re like a... not even a ship, we’re like a life raft
has to happen. floating around the ocean. Who knows what is
going to happen to us? There’s nothing anchoring
Because... I tell this story. Christ originally had 70 us. There’s nothing for us to hold on to. And so it
disciples. If you’re reading the Gospels, he had wouldn’t have been normal to have anxiety or to
70 disciples for first part of his ministry. He sent be depressed if you don’t know something bigger
them all out at one point and they came back and than yourself is taking care of you. The peace
they had a couple of complaints, but the one I’ll of being connected with your creators is super
want to discuss is they said, “There were certain important just in everyday life.
cases where we’d cast a demon out of someone,
but they’d end up worse. How is that?” And he I mean, coming myself, I wouldn’t know how
said, “Well, when a demon is cast out, if it comes to live without God. The stress of everything

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that we go through every day. If you look at my really hard to separate the two. Once you have
accomplishments, I also have a wife and five order, one perpetuates the other. So the physical
children, I have an active role in the church, I health and the spiritual mental health all work
teach martial arts, I have my own companies, and together.
I have a family. There’s a lot. If I wasn’t connected
to my creator, I couldn’t possibly do these things. Michael Beattie: So I kind of in a way want to
I couldn’t possibly do it and be sane. I mean, I leave cancer and talk a bit about stress, but
couldn’t do it. I just couldn’t do it. So there’s an obviously stress can be very much related to
order to being connected to our creator, there’s cancer, right?
an order that he brings to us when we connect,
and things get back in order when we have that Dr Dan Nuzum: Right.
connection.
Michael Beattie: But, yes, I’m thinking, well there
With that disconnect is very hard to bring things are two things here. We have this film, [inaudible
back into order. And what’s a disease? It’s a 00:26:31], which we are updating, and what most
disorder. And so for real complete healing to of what we’re talking about fits very well into that.
happen, we have to have that order reordered
and we can’t do that very well without the guy that Dr Dan Nuzum: Fits very well [crosstalk 00:26:37].
holds the blueprint. He’s got the orders, he’s got
the blueprint, and he can help us get everything Michael Beattie: But for the other series we have,
right back in order. And that’s, I think is very Live Longer, Feel Better! which we’re updating,
paramount. there will be a new episode specifically on stress.
So if we talk about-
Michael Beattie: I heard someone say it at the
conference this morning, and I’ve heard this Dr Dan Nuzum: [crosstalk 00:26:46] we’ll talk
before from Chris Wark and all sorts of other about stress. Okay.
people, that there have been very often people
who’ve had that cancer diagnosis and managed to Michael Beattie: About stress-
survive, and they say in many ways it was a very
good thing to happen to them. So I find it hard, Dr Dan Nuzum: Perfect, no problem.
I’m sure many people would find it hard, facing a
diagnosis to think it’s ever going to be [crosstalk Michael Beattie: So in general terms, how would
00:25:18]- you define stress and its danger, what to watch
out for, and what it can do to us, and how we
Dr Dan Nuzum: A blessing. Right. Right. Exactly. need to react?
And what happens in those cases, quite often, is
this reconnection and this reordering of their life Dr Dan Nuzum: Sure. Okay. So what is stress?
is what has happened. So they had a life that was So stress I’ve heard it defined, stress is anything
all disordered which brought them to a cancer more taxing than getting out of bed in the
diagnosis, and then in the process of connecting morning. So from a physiologic standpoint, stress
with God, reuniting on that plane, on the spiritual would be anything that triggers our adrenal
and emotional plane, that order brought back into glands to produce stress hormones. That’s from a
their life, helped their physical condition come physiologic standpoint, which is really interesting
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could be something mental, it could be something typically people turn to donuts and coffee and
emotional. Mental meaning like a thought pizza and all the things that aren’t going to give
process. It could be emotional just like with our them a whole lot of nutritional support. And so
relationship or anxiety or things like that. Also they go through these stressful events in their
nutritional deficiencies can trigger those stress lives or they have a traumatic car accident or
responses. Toxicity, being toxic with something some sort of injury or something like that, and
triggers a stress response. Infection triggers a these things drive their nutritional requirements
stress response. up and instead of getting nutrition, they grab for
calories and they-
So we have all these different things that are
classifiable as stress. Stress isn’t just an emotional Michael Beattie: Comfort.
thing, there’s physical stressors also. We have
poor working habits where we’re working Dr Dan Nuzum: Comfort. Right. Exactly, which
excessively long hours and things like that. then compounds the problem. So it actually
Strenuous physical labor is a stress. So there makes it worse, which decreases their capacity
are all of these things, there’s all kinds of stress. to deal with the stress. If you’re nutritionally
Exercise is a stress. Let me use this example. deficient, your machinery can’t operate properly.
So exercise is a stress, right? And it’s a positive I equate it to... I tell everyone, “If you eat the
stress. The beautiful thing with exercise is it’s a standard American diet, it supplies about 20% of
dosable stress. It’s a stress you can control. You the nutrition you need on a daily basis.” So if you
go and exercise and you lift some weights, you went to your car and randomly removed 80% of
lift as many or as few as you want. It’s up to you. the nuts and bolts, how well is that going to work?
Whatever you feel up to. And the better you get at What’s your chances of it not breaking down as
it, the more of it you can handle. you turn around the corner, if it even started to
begin with?
So dosable stresses are things that we can
use to increase our capacity to handle stress, Michael Beattie: [inaudible 00:31:34].
and exercise is one of those things. And that’s
important. The thing is, is all of us have a certain Dr Dan Nuzum: [inaudible 00:31:36]?
capacity to deal with stress. If we load that
capacity too high, our capacity to deal with stress Michael Beattie: Excellent. Excellent. And a
will collapse. And that’s when we see chronic couple more things and then [inaudible 00:31:40].
disease happen.
Dr Dan Nuzum: No. No. This is wonderful.
And so if we think of someone that’s going
through a divorce, their child is not well, their Michael Beattie: Yeah. If you do probably come
job is stressful, they’re not eating well, those back on the car analogy because I can hear that
emotional stressors all raise your nutritional coming [crosstalk 00:31:51]-
requirements because your body burns through
nutrients faster when you’re under stress. When Dr Dan Nuzum: Yeah, perfect.
you’re under spiritual, mental, emotional stress,
your body burns through them just as if you were Michael Beattie: Do you know? One of the worst
like an athlete training for an event. So there’s a things, I worked as a reporter in Belfast during
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an interview [crosstalk 00:31:58]. And the battle Dr Dan Nuzum: Right.

there, but things [inaudible 00:32:07]-
Michael Beattie: What would you say would be
Dr Dan Nuzum: Yeah. Yeah. It’s good. the first steps for someone who finally realizes,
“Boy, I have too much on my plate, I’ve taken too
Michael Beattie: Okay. Christine? much on, or I have to recognize these things.”
How does somebody do that and what are they
Dr Dan Nuzum: Oh man. doing about it?

Michael Beattie: Okay. So if you just take it up Dr Dan Nuzum: Well, there’s a few things. One,
again- you have to evaluate, what can I step out of? What
can I step back from? Because... Okay. I’ll speak
Dr Dan Nuzum: Oh, from there? Yeah, okay. as a doctor here if I was talking to another doctor.
Yeah. Because you know what doctors do? Typically,
doctors take care of everybody else. They’re just
Michael Beattie: I tell people or whatever about like mothers. They take care of everybody else but
the car analogy. not themselves. And what I tell all my colleagues is
if you don’t take care of yourself, you’re not going
Dr Dan Nuzum: So I tell, this is one of the things to be around to take care of anybody else. It’s our
I tell my patients. If you’re eating the standard responsibility to be... Okay. As a doctor, it’s our
American diet, it supplies about 20% of the responsibility to be the example. We’re supposed
nutrition you need on a daily basis. So I equate to be the example. We’re supposed to be leading
that to going to your car and randomly removing our patients by example. That’s one thing.
80% of all the nuts and bolts and then trying
to start it. What are the chances of something So when they have a mother that comes in and
breaking down? My point in this is, if you’re eating she’s under a mountain of stress or a father, these
a poor diet and you’re experiencing these other figures within families, they’re under a mountain
stressors that are maybe not nutritional stressors of stress. You’re going to have to choose which
like a divorce, an illness in the family, a physical battle you’re going to fight here, you’re not going
injury or different types of trauma and you’re to be able to fight all of them. So we have to figure
eating this poor diet, all these other stressors are out which things you can let go of, what are you
increasing your initial nutritional requirements, going to step back from? If it’s costing your health,
but you’re not getting them. That’s a recipe whoever else that isn’t picking up their end of
for disaster. It’s only a matter of time before the... ain’t picking up the slack, needs to step up
something breaks down. and help take care of this.

Michael Beattie: One of the things that people So my first thing would be to try to get out
often have a difficulty with is recognizing that of some of the stress, however that... reduce
they are, under all the stress, they might feel ill, the amount of stressful situations as much as
they feel under pressure. Things aren’t going well, possible. And in some cases that’s not even
but they can’t step back, look at all these areas of possible, but figure out something. You have to be
their life and say, “Really I need to back off or do able to minimize this somehow.
something.”
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switch your habits, so you’re drinking more water, Michael Beattie: You’re taking a few
you’re consuming supplements that are going to photographs. Sound very good. Take some for me
help give you more strength, give you more... If as well not just [inaudible 00:38:04].
you’re nutritionally deficient then your machinery
is not operating at 100%. So if you can at least get I’m really glad to be doing this because I have
some of those deficiencies taken care of, you can great respect for you. I’ve enjoyed watching you
get more capacity to deal with what you’re dealing and learning [inaudible 00:38:22] about you, and I
with. Does that make sense? just think this is-

Michael Beattie: Absolutely. Dr Dan Nuzum: Good. Good. Good. Good. This is
what you’re looking for.
Dr Dan Nuzum: Okay. So you restore some of
the functionality of your system by giving it the Michael Beattie: Yeah. Absolutely, spot on.
nutrients, that increases your physical capacity
to deal with the stress. So that itself would be Dr Dan Nuzum: Okay, good.
another thing.
Michael Beattie: Yeah. I mean often as we go
The other thing is, this might sound very priestly through in interview I’m thinking, well that’s not
advice, but find a church, find an organization, relly going to be of much use but I can identify
something that will help support you. Maybe that’s where we’re going through.
not physically or financially or anything like that,
something where you have some emotional But the difficulty with that is going to be
support. If some people are estranged from their identifying anything [crosstalk 00:38:42]. But it’s
families, we require that family unit in order for us fortunate, I mean we do have a fair bit of time the
to be healthy. That’s essential for our wellbeing. way we do things, but we won’t waste your words.
If you don’t have that, you need to find that
someplace else. So find a group, find a church, Dr Dan Nuzum: Jonathan [Auto’s 00:38:52] sister
find an organization, that you can be involved did a gut health program. I was one of the first
in and that you can have camaraderie, have people they interviewed, and her husband said,
brotherhood, sisterhood, that kind of thing. So “So do we just call everybody else and tell them
you can come together and be with other people we’re not interested now?” It was really funny. “We
who will emotionally support you. That’s another pretty much just got everything we need, right?” It
huge, huge thing. Those are support mechanisms was funny.
that we need just as people.
Michael Beattie: [inaudible 00:39:21] now I’ve
Michael Beattie: Okay. We’re nearly there. Just a forgotten where we are.
couple of more [inaudible 00:37:52] things.
Dr Dan Nuzum: Okay. Stress. We were talking-
Dr Dan Nuzum: Is this the kind of information
you were looking for? Michael Beattie: Oh yes. I know exactly where we
were. You’d come to a conclusion about some of
Michael Beattie: Absolutely, spot on. Yeah. the main things.

Dr Dan Nuzum: Okay. Dr Dan Nuzum: Right.

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Michael Beattie: Yeah, there’s one thing that I am that because they stay younger longer than we
convinced is really, really beneficial and that is, do, because they’re exercising.
you can call it exercise, you can call it movement,
you can call it getting out in the fresh air. So give My personal... I have a sensei right now, a sifu,
me a perspective. that is my instructor. He is almost 75-years-old.
If I was to show you a picture of him, you would
Dr Dan Nuzum: Oh my goodness. Again, when never believe he’s older than 50. He doesn’t
we talk about stress, exercise is a stress, but dye his hair, brown hair, he has young skin, no
exercise is a dosable stress. So if you’re not wrinkles and he does martial arts every day. He
walking much, you can start walking. If you are teaches at a medical school every day. He is very
semi athletic, you can kind of diversify what you’re active. If anything, he’s very, very active. And in a
doing, you know, add a few things in here and way he’s not sitting very often, and then he does
there. If you had been athletic and you’re carrying exercise apart from that. So that mobility.
a little extra now, start moving, start doing some
of the things that you enjoyed doing before. In our society today, we have the... this is the
main movement people are doing all day long
There’s a couple things that happen here. One, and it’s terrible for them. They’re not breathing
you have all the physical benefits of that, weight well, they’re not digesting well, nothing is moving
loss, cholesterol lowers, triglycerides lower, your circulating well in their systems and none of that’s
blood sugar lowers, your blood pressure lowers, being stimulated either. So exercise has, in my
just from exercising and everything. You have opinion, become more and more an essential
the immediate benefits of endorphin release, component to our health today than ever before.
serotonin dopamine release from exercise and People used to physically labor. They used to pick
the satisfaction of doing that. If you exercised a things up, they used to shovel things, they used
lot when you were young and you’re not young to do a lot of split logs. They picked them up, they
anymore and you start exercising, your body took them back in the house, they put them in the
remembers when you were young again and then fireplace.
your mind starts to remember when you were
young again. Michael Beattie: Yeah. I still think there’s a
problem that many people haven’t gone across.
And guess what? When you start thinking young They hear the word exercise. I mean, we’ve talked
again, you start acting young again, you start a little about exercise, I can imagine some people
feeling young again. And so from that standpoint, turning off and not actually hearing what you’re
there’s an anti-aging aspect of exercise. Exercise saying. Because even if you talk about movement,
is movement. You look in the Orient, you look at which is what you’ve also mentioned there, I
China, you look at Japan, very much in China, they guess another way to get people to realize it’s
have... I mean, if we were in a plaza like this, there movement. You could be very overwhelmed, but
would be a couple of times a day they would have you can get out and go for a short walk and build
Qigong or Tai Chi classes in the... people filling the it up.
entire lawn here and of all ages.
Dr Dan Nuzum: Right.
And that’s traditional, that’s something they’ve
been doing as a society, and exercise like that’s Michael Beattie: You can experience the benefits
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the trees, walking by the beach, all those things I pH foods like meat and bread and pastries and
think are so important. goodies and all those things that have a real high
pH, they raise the pH of our gut, which reduces
Dr Dan Nuzum: Absolutely. Absolutely. Just the pH in our tissues.
movement. If you’re going from sedentary, not
moving, to just walking, just moving, that’s a big If you have a higher pH in your intestines,
step. Don’t stop there. But that’s a huge step you don’t absorb bicarbonate or calcium or
and that’s the first. The first steps are the most magnesium or potassium as well. Therefore,
important because if you keep taking steps after when you don’t absorb those nutrients, those
that, you’ll gain momentum. But it’s that first step. alkaline nutrients, they don’t get into your tissues
That’s the one. You don’t have any momentum. and they don’t keep your tissue pH up where it
It’s just you’re, “I’m going to do this,” and that’s the needs to be.
most important step I would say. And you don’t
have to go get a gym membership tomorrow, you So when it comes to alkaline water made by
don’t have to go join the martial arts class or join adding calcium or those types of minerals to
a dance class or that thing tomorrow, just get the water, I’m against that. That’s typically very
walking. Just walk. Just get moving. damaging to the digestive track. If you have
reflux, it may settle it down right now, but you’ll
Michael Beattie: Excellent. Well, I’m really, really notice that you’re going to have to use that more
happy with all of that. Is there anything else you consistently in order to keep it settled down
want to add or anything we haven’t talked about because it’s not fixing anything. What needs to
that you think is important or? happen in the gut is the pH needs to drop.

Dr Dan Nuzum: I think that’s... We got it, I think. Now, when it comes to hydrogen water, that’s
Yeah. something different. With hydrogen water, we’re
taking in water with extra hydrogen. Now our
Michael Beattie: Okay. Just one other thing, body is 65% oxygen, is 18 and a half percent
if you happen to have a view on it, I could see carbon, it’s 11 and a half percent hydrogen. It’s
a place to use it, and that’s hydrogen water. 1.7% nitrogen, 1.1% silica, and the other like two
Have you any particular views on that or an something percent is all the rest of the periodic
explanation? You could maybe give a view or table. What happens is carbon gives our body
an understanding of the mechanics of how, the its structures, everything is structured in carbon.
physics of how that works in your body. Oxygen is what moves everything in our body. But
hydrogen is what everything floats in.
Dr Dan Nuzum: I’m a proponent. So I’m a
proponent of acidifying the gut. The typical So if you don’t have enough hydrogen in your
problem with the gut is that the pH is too high to system, the things are going to get stuck in your
begin with. So if you have reflux, it’s because your system, if that makes sense. So that’s why it’s so
gut pH is too high. If you have SIBO, it’s because important to be hydrated. If you’re not hydrated
your gut pH is too high. People with irritable without hydrogen and you run low on hydrogen,
bowel, their gut pH is too high. So my typical you can’t float anything around in your body. So
approach to gut health is to bring the pH down as one of the ways that hydrogen water helps is with
far as we can because that’s typically the opposite being able to detoxify, being able to float things
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when we have that extra hydrogen, that extra personally drink distilled water or reverse osmosis
hydrogen acts as an antioxidant, which is helpful. water. That’s what I drink. What happens when
you consume water is it goes into your digestive
I never have people take that around food. So track. Once it leaves your stomach, the two gasses
I’d have them take it a couple of hours after they separate. And so the more things that you have
eat and have them take it before they go to bed. in the water, the harder it is for them to separate,
That’s how I have patients take it. Because again, which means the slower you get hydrated. So
we don’t want anything height pH with your food, if you add salt to the water, you add this to the
and that’s a whole nother lecture. There’s a whole water and add that to the water, that slows down
nother thing. But typically, our body’s tendency how fast the oxygen and hydrogen separate. And
is for our gut pH to go up, especially the older we in order to be hydrated, they have to separate.
get, which is terrible. And if you reduce the acidity
of the stomach, I teach that that’s the fastest way So pure water is what I personally... that’s what
to insure an autoimmune disease. we drink in my house. That’s what we’re drinking.
So it’s reverse osmosis water or distilled water
Michael Beattie: Wow. is what we predominantly drink. Again, another
factor in that is water, consuming water, is the
Dr Dan Nuzum: And that’s, again, because it leads second most important way that we get oxygen.
to leaky gut, which leads to other complications Because of the water molecule separating in the
that trigger the immune system, lead you to hydrogen and oxygen when we consume it, we
autoimmune issues. So I have people use the semi-respirate through our gut when we drink
hydrogen water, we just don’t use it around food. water. And it’s not something that most people
mention, but it’s super important.
Michael Beattie: And how much hydrogen water
should one take? I just see so many people who Your microbiome typically drinks about half the
are stuck in the seven glasses or 10 glasses of water that you consume on a daily basis also.
water a day and I’m convinced that must be So that’s important. Last thing you want to do is
washing it, it’s what we’re doing, and they’re dry out your microbiome, that’s very, very bad.
washing nutrition out of their body. So drink your water. If you’re going to consume
Dr Dan Nuzum: Sure, sure, sure, sure. hydrogen water, keep it to half or less of the total
amount of water that you drink on a daily basis.
Michael Beattie: So I know we’re all different, but
could you kind of recommend a sensible amount Michael Beattie: Fantastic. Now, is there anything
that we need? else you want to add [crosstalk 00:52:50]. We
certainly covered a lot of ground, but that’s
Dr Dan Nuzum: I wouldn’t have it be half, I would fantastic. I appreciate that.
keep it to half or less of the amount of water I was
drinking every day. I personally don’t drink it. I

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