Head and lateral line erosion, (HLLE) or hole-in-the-head (HITH) is a disease in fish. Chronic ulcerative dermatopathy or chronic erosive dermatopathy are symptoms of similar conditions with different etiology.
Symptoms
HLLE begins as small pits of receding epithelium (skin) around the fish’s head and/or lateral line, and sometimes onto the unpaired fins. Rarely fatal, it does cause disfigurement, making the fish less suitable for public aquarium display. At least 20 families of fish have been identified as having developed HLLE in captivity. Not all species of fish show the same symptoms, and do not always develop lesions to the same degree.
Causes
The most accepted cause that has the most evidence is the use of activated carbon in closed aquarium ecosystems.
A similar study also points to carbon as a cause of HLLE
Many other causes have been suggested, but have not been substantiated by any peer-reviewed studies.
Cure
"Hole in the head can be reversed by removing all activated carbon and conducting large percentage water changes. Greater than 90% water changes may need to be done to reduce the effects of activated carbon. More commonly, cures are made by moving the fish to a new aquarium that has never had fish develop HLLE in it.
"Hole in the Head" is a song performed by British girl group Sugababes, released on October 13, 2003 as the lead single from their third studio album, Three. It was written by Brian Higgins, Miranda Cooper, Tim Powell, Nick Coler, Niara Scarlett, Keisha Buchanan, Mutya Buena, and Heidi Range, and co-produced by Higgins and Jeremy Wheatley. The song was met with acclaim from critics and was a commercial success, entering the top 10 in ten other countries. It became their second single to chart on the US charts, peaking at number 96 on the Billboard Hot 100 and number 1 on the US dance chart. The first Sugababes single to chart in the US was "Round Round", which reached number 7 on the US dance chart.
Background and development
"Hole in the Head" was written by Brian Higgins, Miranda Cooper, Tim Powell, Nick Coler and Niara Scarlett, in collaboration with the Sugababes' members—Keisha Buchanan, Mutya Buena and Heidi Range, for the group's third studio album, Three. Higgins and Jeremy Wheatley produced the song in conjunction with the songwriting and production team Xenomania, which was founded by Higgins himself. Wheatley also completed the song's mixing process at the Townhouse Studios in London.
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Sugababes - Hole in the Head
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Sugababes - Hole In The Head [Live @ Isle Of Wight 2023]
Sugababes performing Hole In The Head live at Isle Of Wight 16-06-23
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"Hole in the Head" is a song performed by British girl group Sugababes, released on 13 October 2003 as the lead single from their third studio album, Three. It was written by Brian Higgins, Miranda Cooper, Tim Powell, Nick Coler, Niara Scarlett, Keisha Buchanan, Mutya Buena, and Heidi Range, and co-produced by Higgins and Jeremy Wheatley. The song was met with acclaim from critics and was a commercial success, entering at the top of the UK Singles Chart. Outside the United Kingdom, the single peaked within the top ten of the charts in ten other countries. It became their second single to chart in the United States after "Round Round", peaking at number ninety-six on the Billboard Hot 100 and topping the Billboard Hot Dance Club Songs chart.
Hole In The Head by Sugababes
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This Halloween Skeleton Door Hanger was made using a plastic skeleton and was filmed in 3 parts to make construction easier. ** I review all my supplies during the live stream **
PART 1 - WATCH TUTU CONSTRUCTION HERE
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PART 2 - WATCH CANDLE CONSTRUCTION HERE
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Another Hole in the Head
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Another Hole in the Head · Nickelback
The Long Road
℗ 2003 The All Blacks B.V.
Engineer: Joey Moi
Unknown: Alex Aligizakis
Guitar: Chad Kroeger
Producer: Chad Kroeger
Lead Vocals: Chad Kroeger
Unknown: George Marino
Digital Editor: Joey Moi
Producer: Joey Moi
Bass Guitar: Mike Kroeger
Producer: Mike Kroeger
Unknown: Randy Staub
Drums: Ryan "Vik" Vikedal
Producer: Ryan "Vik" Vikedal
Digital Editor: Ryan Andersen
Guitar: Ryan Peake
Producer: Ryan Peake
Background Vocals: Ryan Peake
Writer: Chad Kroeger
Writer: Mike Kroeger
Writer: Ryan Peake
Writer: Ryan Vikedal
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Relive the iconic moment the Sugababes performed 'Hole In The Head' to a 80,000-strong crowd at Capital's Summertime Ball with Barclaycard.
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Relive the iconic moment the Sugababes performed 'Hole In The Head' to a 80,000-strong crowd at Capital's Summertime Ball with Barclaycard.
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Relive the iconic moment the Sugababes performed 'Hole In The Head' to a 80,000-strong crowd at Capital's Summertime Ball with Barclaycard.
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"Hole in the Head" is a song performed by British girl group Sugababes, released on 13 October 2003 as the lead single from their third studio album, Three. It ...
"Hole in the Head" is a song performed by British girl group Sugababes, released on 13 October 2003 as the lead single from their third studio album, Three. It was written by Brian Higgins, Miranda Cooper, Tim Powell, Nick Coler, Niara Scarlett, Keisha Buchanan, Mutya Buena, and Heidi Range, and co-produced by Higgins and Jeremy Wheatley. The song was met with acclaim from critics and was a commercial success, entering at the top of the UK Singles Chart. Outside the United Kingdom, the single peaked within the top ten of the charts in ten other countries. It became their second single to chart in the United States after "Round Round", peaking at number ninety-six on the Billboard Hot 100 and topping the Billboard Hot Dance Club Songs chart.
Hole In The Head by Sugababes
Released: 13 October 2003
Album: Three
Sugababes 4K Music Video Collections:
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#Sugababes #HoleInTheHead #SugababesRemastered #thelanozvideo
"Hole in the Head" is a song performed by British girl group Sugababes, released on 13 October 2003 as the lead single from their third studio album, Three. It was written by Brian Higgins, Miranda Cooper, Tim Powell, Nick Coler, Niara Scarlett, Keisha Buchanan, Mutya Buena, and Heidi Range, and co-produced by Higgins and Jeremy Wheatley. The song was met with acclaim from critics and was a commercial success, entering at the top of the UK Singles Chart. Outside the United Kingdom, the single peaked within the top ten of the charts in ten other countries. It became their second single to chart in the United States after "Round Round", peaking at number ninety-six on the Billboard Hot 100 and topping the Billboard Hot Dance Club Songs chart.
Hole In The Head by Sugababes
Released: 13 October 2003
Album: Three
Sugababes 4K Music Video Collections:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4TV6VIJPzAmroRmSvJNvtLvyXFE-r7O7
#Sugababes #HoleInTheHead #SugababesRemastered #thelanozvideo
This Halloween Skeleton Door Hanger was made using a plastic skeleton and was filmed in 3 parts to make construction easier. ** I review all my supplies during...
This Halloween Skeleton Door Hanger was made using a plastic skeleton and was filmed in 3 parts to make construction easier. ** I review all my supplies during the live stream **
PART 1 - WATCH TUTU CONSTRUCTION HERE
https://youtu.be/AVEIdelx16U
PART 2 - WATCH CANDLE CONSTRUCTION HERE
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This Halloween Skeleton Door Hanger was made using a plastic skeleton and was filmed in 3 parts to make construction easier. ** I review all my supplies during the live stream **
PART 1 - WATCH TUTU CONSTRUCTION HERE
https://youtu.be/AVEIdelx16U
PART 2 - WATCH CANDLE CONSTRUCTION HERE
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***Please note as an Affiliate I earn commissions on sales through my link.
You can find all of my available wreaths, wreath kits, wreath materials and accents here (including my gorgeous flower centers)
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Another Hole in the Head · Nickelback
The Long Road
℗ 2003 The All Blacks B.V.
Engineer: Joey Moi
Unknown: Alex Al...
Provided to YouTube by Roadrunner Records
Another Hole in the Head · Nickelback
The Long Road
℗ 2003 The All Blacks B.V.
Engineer: Joey Moi
Unknown: Alex Aligizakis
Guitar: Chad Kroeger
Producer: Chad Kroeger
Lead Vocals: Chad Kroeger
Unknown: George Marino
Digital Editor: Joey Moi
Producer: Joey Moi
Bass Guitar: Mike Kroeger
Producer: Mike Kroeger
Unknown: Randy Staub
Drums: Ryan "Vik" Vikedal
Producer: Ryan "Vik" Vikedal
Digital Editor: Ryan Andersen
Guitar: Ryan Peake
Producer: Ryan Peake
Background Vocals: Ryan Peake
Writer: Chad Kroeger
Writer: Mike Kroeger
Writer: Ryan Peake
Writer: Ryan Vikedal
Auto-generated by YouTube.
Provided to YouTube by Roadrunner Records
Another Hole in the Head · Nickelback
The Long Road
℗ 2003 The All Blacks B.V.
Engineer: Joey Moi
Unknown: Alex Aligizakis
Guitar: Chad Kroeger
Producer: Chad Kroeger
Lead Vocals: Chad Kroeger
Unknown: George Marino
Digital Editor: Joey Moi
Producer: Joey Moi
Bass Guitar: Mike Kroeger
Producer: Mike Kroeger
Unknown: Randy Staub
Drums: Ryan "Vik" Vikedal
Producer: Ryan "Vik" Vikedal
Digital Editor: Ryan Andersen
Guitar: Ryan Peake
Producer: Ryan Peake
Background Vocals: Ryan Peake
Writer: Chad Kroeger
Writer: Mike Kroeger
Writer: Ryan Peake
Writer: Ryan Vikedal
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Relive the iconic moment the Sugababes performed 'Hole In The Head' to a 80,000-strong crowd at Capital's Summertime Ball with Barclaycard.
#Capital #CapitalSTB #Sugababes
✨ Watch all the performances, interviews and backstage highlights on Global Player: https://global-player.onelink.me/Br0x/WatchCapitalSTB24 ✨
👉 globalplayer.com or search ‘Global Player’ in your App Store 📱
Watch all your favourite #CapitalSTB performances right here! Taking to the Wembley stage this year is Sabrina Carpenter, David Guetta, RAYE, Perrie, Meghan Trainor, Bradley Simpson and SO many more!
SUBSCRIBE to our YouTube channel 👉 http://capitalfm.co/Subscribe
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Welcome to the official YouTube channel for Capital - the UK's No.1 Hit Music Station. Subscribe for celebrity interviews from our radio studio, performances from Capital's Summertime Ball and Capital's Jingle Bell Ball, the latest from Capital Breakfast, plus exclusive features with your fave stars.
"Hole in the Head" is a song performed by British girl group Sugababes, released on 13 October 2003 as the lead single from their third studio album, Three. It was written by Brian Higgins, Miranda Cooper, Tim Powell, Nick Coler, Niara Scarlett, Keisha Buchanan, Mutya Buena, and Heidi Range, and co-produced by Higgins and Jeremy Wheatley. The song was met with acclaim from critics and was a commercial success, entering at the top of the UK Singles Chart. Outside the United Kingdom, the single peaked within the top ten of the charts in ten other countries. It became their second single to chart in the United States after "Round Round", peaking at number ninety-six on the Billboard Hot 100 and topping the Billboard Hot Dance Club Songs chart.
Hole In The Head by Sugababes
Released: 13 October 2003
Album: Three
Sugababes 4K Music Video Collections:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4TV6VIJPzAmroRmSvJNvtLvyXFE-r7O7
#Sugababes #HoleInTheHead #SugababesRemastered #thelanozvideo
This Halloween Skeleton Door Hanger was made using a plastic skeleton and was filmed in 3 parts to make construction easier. ** I review all my supplies during the live stream **
PART 1 - WATCH TUTU CONSTRUCTION HERE
https://youtu.be/AVEIdelx16U
PART 2 - WATCH CANDLE CONSTRUCTION HERE
https://youtu.be/X6wJRtjmPZA
Tried Unique In The Creek Wreath Boards yet? Get 5% off all single Wreath Board purchases when you shop through my link (below) and use the code TEAMUNIQUE at the checkout!
https://uniqueinthecreek.com/?aff=9
***Please note as an Affiliate I earn commissions on sales through my link.
You can find all of my available wreaths, wreath kits, wreath materials and accents here (including my gorgeous flower centers)
https://monkeyscreations.com/shop
For more information on this creation, custom wreath designs or all in one wreath kits by Monkey's Creations, please visit www.facebook.com/Monkeys-Creations-168497883763044/ or send us a message at [email protected]!
Happy wreathing Y'all!
*** Please visit me here to view all my favorite tools from my favourite Amazon suppliers: https://monkeyscreations.com/micheles-favourite-tools
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Another Hole in the Head · Nickelback
The Long Road
℗ 2003 The All Blacks B.V.
Engineer: Joey Moi
Unknown: Alex Aligizakis
Guitar: Chad Kroeger
Producer: Chad Kroeger
Lead Vocals: Chad Kroeger
Unknown: George Marino
Digital Editor: Joey Moi
Producer: Joey Moi
Bass Guitar: Mike Kroeger
Producer: Mike Kroeger
Unknown: Randy Staub
Drums: Ryan "Vik" Vikedal
Producer: Ryan "Vik" Vikedal
Digital Editor: Ryan Andersen
Guitar: Ryan Peake
Producer: Ryan Peake
Background Vocals: Ryan Peake
Writer: Chad Kroeger
Writer: Mike Kroeger
Writer: Ryan Peake
Writer: Ryan Vikedal
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Head and lateral line erosion, (HLLE) or hole-in-the-head (HITH) is a disease in fish. Chronic ulcerative dermatopathy or chronic erosive dermatopathy are symptoms of similar conditions with different etiology.
Symptoms
HLLE begins as small pits of receding epithelium (skin) around the fish’s head and/or lateral line, and sometimes onto the unpaired fins. Rarely fatal, it does cause disfigurement, making the fish less suitable for public aquarium display. At least 20 families of fish have been identified as having developed HLLE in captivity. Not all species of fish show the same symptoms, and do not always develop lesions to the same degree.
Causes
The most accepted cause that has the most evidence is the use of activated carbon in closed aquarium ecosystems.
A similar study also points to carbon as a cause of HLLE
Many other causes have been suggested, but have not been substantiated by any peer-reviewed studies.
Cure
"Hole in the head can be reversed by removing all activated carbon and conducting large percentage water changes. Greater than 90% water changes may need to be done to reduce the effects of activated carbon. More commonly, cures are made by moving the fish to a new aquarium that has never had fish develop HLLE in it.
Repulsive parasites feeding on your mind Shrieking demons Within your skull they fly See the colors so bright and brilliant The hunger starts It's brain matter you want Voices so twisted command you Don't try to resist it Give in to the belief That bliss is within reach So destroy the wicked in your eyes And feast Fuel the creatures in you rhead (The answer is in the slaughtered dead) State of mind unbalancing Distorted sick reality Must achieve immortality It's god again He speaks About the tasks you must complete Tripping hard Your brain is shorted out You must believe Cranial chaos Blurs of violence Keep the cravings fed Are they coming in or out