Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 December 3
Film writer templates
[edit]- Template:Jonathan Aibel and Glenn Berger (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:John Fusco (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Cinco Paul and Ken Daurio (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:William Davies (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
This writer-specific navbox violates WP:FILMNAV, which says, "Filmographies (and similar) of individuals should also not be included in navboxes, unless the individual concerned could be considered a primary creator of the material in question. This avoids over-proliferation of individuals' navboxes on each production's article, and avoids putting undue weight on the contributions of certain individuals over others." This navbox is causing exactly the problem that WP:FILMNAV warns about. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 22:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Weak oppose. I think that in the majority of these cases the writers concerned could be considered primary creators of the material in question. I don't think bundling these nominations together is helpful, as they should each be looked at on their own merit. I'd be more concerned with the producer navboxes, espectially these days when films seem to have about a dozen producers. I'm sure I've advocated for limiting this to director roles only in the dark and murky past, but I seem to recall that "primary creator" was the compromise. What is auteur theory anyway? ;) --woodensuperman 11:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)- I looked at all the examples, and there were none where they were always the primary creator. Are you suggesting limiting it to works where they are only the primary creator? I feel like if we don't pay attention, editors will mindlessly fill out (or restore) all credits, like the now-blocked MolAnneFinnBall567 did. It seems to be better to be all or nothing. It's not like there is zero access to writing credits; their names are always in the infobox and ideally the article body too. It's about whether or not we need yet another navbox at the very end of the article, and writers and producers are rarely the exclusive sole drivers of creativity across all their works. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 12:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think these have been concerns for nearly a decade! See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers/Archive 11#RFC: Filmography navboxes. --woodensuperman 13:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- I looked at all the examples, and there were none where they were always the primary creator. Are you suggesting limiting it to works where they are only the primary creator? I feel like if we don't pay attention, editors will mindlessly fill out (or restore) all credits, like the now-blocked MolAnneFinnBall567 did. It seems to be better to be all or nothing. It's not like there is zero access to writing credits; their names are always in the infobox and ideally the article body too. It's about whether or not we need yet another navbox at the very end of the article, and writers and producers are rarely the exclusive sole drivers of creativity across all their works. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 12:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Ampers&One (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Only 3 distinct directly-related articles. Template offers no additional navigational benefit. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 20:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Template:AAT search link (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
This dissertation citation template uses a URL that no longer works and is used five times. This should be deleted and replaced with Template:Cite thesis, as it allows for far more parameters. SWinxy (talk) 19:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Template:PIE (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Replace usages with {{lang|ine-x-proto}} and delete.
Proto-Indo-European language has been supported for a while now by {{lang}}, which additionally provides various checks, validations and categories, that this template does not.
The main difference between the two templates is that PIE does not italic the text or adds an asterisk (*), while Lang does. That means that when replacing, if a PIE usage
- has an asterisk, it should be removed
- wraps the template in italics, they should be removed
See this edit as an example.
Also somewhat related, "pie" is incorrect to use here as that is the language code for the Piro Pueblo language. Gonnym (talk) 13:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)- Support nomination, per nom. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:39, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Testcase (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Test case (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Testcase with Template:Test case.
{{Testcase}} is referred to as the legacy version of the spaced {{Test case}}. They should be merged. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:48, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I do think that the amount of coding that would be required to create a wrapper for the old template so that all the params can translate into the new one would be overly burdensome, and I don't think that the time spent reprogramming old test cases to follow the format of the new template would be worth it. As such, I don't think that template merging here would improve the encyclopedia on a net basis, so I think they should be kept. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 05:44, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Replace all usages (122) and delete template. Don't merge anything that the new template can already do, and only merge specific features if actually needed. Gonnym (talk) 12:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Happy with that outcome, too. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Not needed, links already included at more comprehensive {{Dennis Wilson}} navbox --woodensuperman 12:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Holland (album) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Only three of the songs in the tracklisting have articles. All the outtakes redirect to the album article. --woodensuperman 12:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Template:How-to (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 324 transclusions
- Template:Manual (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 547 transclusions
Propose merging Template:How-to with Template:Manual.
These seem to say the same thing, in different words ("contains instructions, advice, or how-to content"/ "written like a manual or guide").
Reducing the number of available duplicative templates makes it easier for editors to find the template suited to an issue which they wish to flag. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to {{How-to}} which is slightly older (2006). — Hex • talk 14:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to {{Manual}}. I think the latter frames it better than the former; this isn't serious enough to be an orange tag IMHO. Plus the latter has more transclusions. Duckmather (talk) 04:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge which way?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Template:IranNCSGN (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
No point in external link template for a dead link. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- weak keep, seems like it is being used as a reference for the spelling of place names, so maybe just point to the wayback archive instead for those cases. Frietjes (talk) 22:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)- Comment: If kept per Frietjes, then convert to a full citation template and not leave it in this mixed-state. Gonnym (talk) 12:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Template:As It Is (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Only three albums. WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 10:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Only one album and one featured single to her credit doesn't meet the threshold of WP:NENAN --woodensuperman 10:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:05, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Christian political parties in the Netherlands (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
We already have Template:Political parties in the Netherlands and Template:Defunct political parties in the Netherlands. I believe these templates per ideology make the template lists too cluttered, especially for active parties. Dajasj (talk) 09:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)